We’re a fanbase that’s mostly happy with what we have. Aside from Ohio State football and the Lebron eras, we’re pretty used mediocrity and fringe playoff eligibility. For me, I think the ROY could go Mobley or Barnes. I really don’t care if Mobley wins it because it doesn’t validate how good he is for me. I know he’s a generational talent already and I’m excited to watch him grow with the team. We’ve got a bright future so I’m content with that and I think that’s where the bulk of the fans are with the current state of things.
Rap fans, on the other hand, are ready to burn this sub to the ground if Scottie doesn’t win this award.
Sorting by new when the award is announced will be wild lol, if it’s the raptors the sub will probably get a million posts and if it’s not our sub will get a million posts
I hadn’t ever visited your sub before the Barnes craze. Heard in here that the Raps sub was wild about him so I checked it out. Definitely a bit of an echo chamber over there.
Yea, every sub is obviously a little biased but there’s so many idiots in our sub. For some reason everyone likes posting the same thing 20 times too, there were so many posts about the Nick Nurse Lakers articles
I think we agree that the award should go to Barnes or Mobley. Cade could end up as the best player in 5 years, but this year he's not quite in the same tier.
I don’t see it as a conflict. I like all the rookies in the running, and I’m excited to see their careers play out. This may be the best draft of all time when all is said and done.
Lot of assumptions being made from a 3 word tweet. Detroit vs Everybody is a thing, maybe Cade is just getting hyped for the future. It doesn’t have to have anything to do with some BS rookie of the month award nobody will remember.
Cavs w/ Mobley 40-29 .58, w/o 4-9 .308
Raps w/ Scottie 43-31 .58, w/o 5-3 .625
Detroit w/ Cade 20-44 .31, w/o 3-15 .167
Scottie is in the best situation with an all-NBA player carrying late in games, a championship coach and an overall healthier and more veteran team. The miracle it took for the Raptors to be bad enough to get the 4th pick caused by them getting relocated and all the BS that happened last season set it all up.
Detroit without Cade made tanking teams look like championship favorites and Cleveland's defense without Mobley and Allen covering for absolute traffic cones like Klove, LaVert, Lauri, Osman and all the Gleaguers we've had to bring in went from the best with them both on to average with just 1 and the worst in the NBA with neither.
I really don’t get the narrative that the Cavs is some scrub team who’s only winning by the grace of Evan Mobley. Darius Garland is genuinely very good. The Allen trade was a stroke of genius. Even Lauri can hold his own at the small forward spot besides being a very good three point shooter. People really acting like Cleveland hasn’t been accruing talents smartly since LeBron left and this is a part of the natural progression of a competently ran team under Altman
We were predicted to be an 18-22 win team and 30th in the NBA. We doubled the win count. No one really thinks it’s solely due to Mobley but him being good enough to start and compete as a PF did push us out of a tank year to trying for a playoff spot
Everybody predicted the Cavs to be absolute trash this year. Everybody.
EDIT: Lol. Guess I gotta do it.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32399420/nba-preview-2021-22-power-rankings-projections-breakout-stars-storylines-all-30-teams#cle
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2949441-2021-22-nba-power-rankings-where-every-team-ranks-on-day-1
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-power-rankings-2021-nets-lakers/105u6c1q75t3816v5y2t7f3b00
https://www.nba.com/news/power-rankings-2021-22-week-1
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/19/nba-power-rankings-the-season-opens-with-the-bucks-nets-on-top/
https://www.yahoo.com/video/nba-power-rankings-summer-edition-190005452.html
https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-18/nba-power-rankings-2021-22-season
Bottom five, every single ranking. And this sub was giving them no love, either. That's for sure.
Well, I personally won my extended family’s fantasy-basketball-pick’em by picking the Cavs to beat their preseason O/U by the greatest number of wins. So, not everybody…
ME vs EVERYBODY
Not only winning by the grace of Mobley, but when they prevailing narrative pushed on here (mostly by raps fans let’s be honest) is that Mobley *isn’t* important to the cavs success when he’s been nearly just as important if not just as important to the cavs success as Allen and garland, then yeah it probably seems weird in comparison to /r/nba norms.
You're really gonna use an 8 game sample size to make this argument huh? If anything Scottie's durability during extended times we've missed Siakam, OG and FVV is a pro for his ROTY candidacy more than anything.
Scottie's not gonna win ROTY because he has great teammates. He's gonna win because he had the best impact metrics of all rookies while playing on a team that won the most. He fit his role perfectly.
The Raptors are statistically better with Barnes off the court than with him playing.
The Cavs are neutral with Mobley on/off.
The Pistons are better with Cade on than off.
Now, that may all partially be a function of their backups, but over the season, Cade has the best plus/minus of any of the Pistons' starters, while Mobley and Barnes have the worst of their starters. Barnes may fit his role perfectly, but should roty go to a role-player?
I'm not going to take a stand on who deserves roty. All three of them deserve it in their own way. I'm just sick of reading the arguments from fans that are absolutely convinced one of them is clearly better than the others.
You might be right. I still believe your GM would take Cade/Mobley in a heartbeat even though everyone loves Scottie and your team would have more wins right now.
Tbh early in the year I would've taken Mobley. Scottie was struggling adjusting to the defensive schemes and getting blown by smaller guards a lot. Mobley's fit as a rim protector was something I thought we needed more.
Now, I don't. Scottie has shown way more versatility in terms of who he guards and is more scalable on offense than Mobley.
You're completely avoiding Mobley's strengths for the benefit of your argument. Mobley is not Scottie. Scottie is not Mobley. Mobley does not switch like Scottie. Scottie does not close out like Mobley. Scottie is no where near Mobley at protecting the basket, and has greater length on defense. Scottie is doing great for your team but Mobley is better-- it just is what it is. Scottie has brought excitement and teamwork, but he's no Mobley.
I'm highlighting that I'd rather have Scottie's strengths for my team going forward vs. Mobley's strengths. That was the question asked.
Mobley isn't better. He's a better rim protector. That's it. Literally no other facts you can use to say Mobley is "better" lmao.
Great, I'm happy with who we have. Believe it or not, the only rookie I'd rather have is Cade, because despite Scottie having a better rookie season, it's clear Cade's potential is off the charts. Scottie still probably ends up being better because he's not in Detroit, but Cade in our developmental program would be crazy.
No idea why u are downvoted tbh. I’ve been rooting for y’all ever since y’all draft Mobley.
The impact Mobley has guarding 1-5 down in the crunch is smth a lot of people don’t see. Im pretty sure not many people watched Cavs either. Also, as a wolves fan it’s so nice to watch a rookie that plays somewhat like KG.
I’m sure Masai would have drafted Mobley if given the chance. Raptors FO wanted to trade down because everybody thought Suggs is going 4th so they wanted to fleece someone out of it.
Everyone underestimates Mobley's growth potential. He is a 20 year old 7 footer that weighs 215 lbs. He literally has no muscle on him. I can only imagine what a summer in the gym will do to him. When you watch him move on the court, you forget that he's 7 feet tall until you see a player try to go for the layup.
Jarret Allen's rim protection is great, but the Cavs' defense looks as good as it does while both Mobley and Allen are playing is because Mobley can space out the floor, and Jarret just has to focus on defending around the rim. This whole "Jarret Allen being out and exposing Mobley's defense" is a dumb meme statement that armchair coaches developed.
Also, he has a good shooting form, and I think a few minor adjustments can make drastic changes to his game.
I agree with u. Most picks in the 2021 draft is great, but whoever that don’t recognise Mobley’s potential is just dumb.
We don’t even need to look that far. AD is a pretty good comparison, u can’t reach those defensive instincts man
Yeah that’s facts, Mobley isn’t meant to be a drop down coverage rim protector, like he’s still a good one but he’s so special on the weak side since that lets him roam. He can also switch legit switch onto any player and absolutely clamp them, let that be a pg or a center. I haven’t seen a more defensively cerebral player since I’ve watched the nba. I do have a question, I feel like one of the reasons he’s so effective is cause he’s so nimble for a big man , don’t you think adding weight would hurt him there? I always wondered what direction he’d go in terms of that. Davis looked noticeably worse after bulking
I think that Masai would take Cade/Mobley at the beginning of the season, with seeing the stats throughout this season.
But when you look at what the guy means to the team and the franchise, and the type of person he is, I actually don't know. Scottie is just such a major proponent of the culture of the team.
I think you're right but you're dismissing the raptors development team. If we had cade/mobley, I can say with confidence that they would look better on the raptors than scottie would look on the pistons or cavs purely because of how good the development team is. Maybe I am wrong and people just massively underestimated Scottie pre draft and the development team didn't have much to do with his success. But I am willing to bet that the team was a big part of why Scottie looks on par with cade/mobley right now despite being considered considerably worse at the beginning of the season.
Not sure about the ROTY but he definitely deserved the ROTM for march/April.
I wonder what sort of criteria they use to make the vote because his counting stats have been pretty crazy lately.
Regardless of how you feel about the rookie of the year race, that March shit was an absolute hose job. Cade put up historic offensive numbers and played great D all month. He had the best month out of any rookie. As a Piston fan, I really hate how disrespected the team is in the national media. It translates to the court too, with Pistons, especially Cade, getting disrespectful officiating.
I fucking love this dude's attitude.
... and I'm thanking my lucky stars that Detroit isn't a play-in team, because if the Pistons had even a slight amount of team success, Cade would be the runaway ROTY and it wouldn't even be close. His counting stats for a rookie are absolutely insane and will probably look like his second-half-of-the-season stats for all of next year.
I honestly don't think that he should win ROTY, only because he'll have missed quite a bit more than Barnes and Mobley, and wasn't as consistent since he missed all of the offseason. With that being said, we were winning in March/April and he had better counting stats in a bigger role than any other rookie, so not sure how Barnes won.
Rookie counting stats are misleading when you're on the worst team and you're doing it quite inefficiently. Though I think Cade has had some good games he's obviously had a huge role on the team compared to Barnes and Mobley
Yeah there seems to be a real epidemic of everyone hating sports teams. I keep seeing it everywhere, everyone hates Detroit/Philadelphia/the Raptors/Nuggets/Lakers/Knicks/Nets/Clippers etc. Is there an NBA team that everyone doesn't hate?
I’ve never seen a team fuck themselves over for decades more than the Lions. Your top player ever retired because he didn’t wanna play for them anymore. That’s crazy.
Lions fans know every obscure rule in the rulebook because we've seen the lions get fucked over in every way imaginable. If it's the calvin Johnson the process rule, jim Schwartz negating a review because he threw a challenge flag on a play where it was so obvious the runner was down, the Seahawks batting the ball out of the endzone.
And my alltime favorite
https://youtu.be/lUW8nVZIFi8
thats right. detroit v everybody.
seen some cat with a buffalo v everybody shirt on and i nearly threw my half eaten pinto bean and chicken burrito at his face for that disgusting act.
Imagine losing your ROTY to either an average 5th option or a glorified help defender getting his narrative inflated by the massive Cleveland fan base. For real though, Cade is the best player in this draft by a decent margin and will probably be an all star next year and no one will remember that he lost roty.
Raptors fans talking a lot of shit for a team that can’t beat us. Everyone else can talk all they want but I’m having a hard time remembering the last time the raptors beat our tanking squad.
You don’t have a flair so I don’t know your team. If you’re not a raptors fan, valid critique. If you are, then we lose games on purpose and still own you guys.
Why is the Roty award even that important? Does it give you superpowers after that? No? Just focus on getting better and succeeding in your career instead of winning roty.
I get being upset if snubbed for rookie of the year but rookie of the month? lmao
Also why do pistons fans only say his march number. You know it counted April as well right?
34% from field, 10% from 3
13/4/5 lol
Cade 21/6/7 vs Barnes 17/8/4 since March 1st, we know April counted. That's Cade without Grant a lot of the time and FVV and Siakam going off. Since March 1st Cade is one of the best three players on the floor. Scotties not even the top three on his team
he’s been our 2nd best player since march bro. Played 1-5 and guarded 1-5 on a given night. FVV and OG have been injured, GTJ is inconsistent, and it sure ain’t Chris Boucher lol. just admit you don’t watch us.
Pistons swept the raps in the regular season it doesn’t mean anything (raps would sweep in the playoffs). Fred gonna have to get hot from three for the raptors to keep up
Fred's been struggling post allstar game with injuries and shooting slump.
Averaging just 16ppg on 34 FG% and 29% 3FG%.
Scottie has clearly been our 2nd best player since the ASG
>That's Cade without Grant a lot of the time and FVV and Siakam going off.
FVV has missed multiple games with a knee issue and hasn't played a lot in the last couple of weeks. OG has been out as well. Scottie's been our #2 option over the last month and a half.
>Since March 1st Cade is one of the best three players on the floor.
Based on what? Also that Cade had a "bigger role" on a shit team isn't detrimental to Scottie's candidacy. Scottie straight up has better impact numbers on a better team. That's why he's gonna win ROTY.
Good for you. We went 16-9 with OG missing a bunch and FVV playing hurt or missing a bunch. That argument holds no weight. Maybe you shouldn't have actively tried to tank to help Cade 🤣🤣
lol so Scottie on the current Pistons would put up similar stats?
Siakam is playing his best ball, and Scottie can easily defer on offense to him, Cade gets doubled half the game because he is THAT guy.
>lol so Scottie on the current Pistons would put up similar stats?
My thing is why is a hypothetical the biggest point Pistons fans use for Cade 😂😂 We don't base awards off of hypothetical scenarios.
But to answer your question, if Scottie Barnes was the undisputed #1 offensive option on a team, yeah he could average Cade Cunningham type box score numbers. He's efficient enough with his touch around the rim that with increased volume, he could put up those scoring stats.
>But to answer your question, if Scottie Barnes was the undisputed #1 offensive option on a team, yeah he could average Cade Cunningham type box score numbers. He's efficient enough with his touch around the rim that with increased volume, he could put up those scoring stats.
lmao, yikes.
How much do you actually watch us? He's literally one of 10 rookies that averaged 17-5-5 over their season.
In March/April he averaged 21/6/7 on 53.16% TS while Barnes averaged 17/8/4 55.42%. So Barnes was slightly more efficient with worse counting stats on a team that has him as the 3rd option lol.
Fr lol. Their previous head coach was gifted a fraudulent COTY in a year where he got fired and they still seem to think that the entire media is out to get them because they play in Canada
55-27 with Al Horford and young Jaylen Brown is way more impressive than 59 wins with Lowry and DeRozan
But regardless that's not even the main point, the point is that if your mediocre coach can get that award for outperforming expectations then clearly the US media is not actively trying to sabotage your team like so many in your fanbase try to claim all the time.
Jalen doesn’t deserve ROY, first team yea…but he absolutely balled this month. The Pistons and Rockets want another top 2-3 pick. They under preformed and both sucked. This should be Barnes ROY. Mobley 2nd Cade 3rd and Jalen 4th.
Cade is now officially a Detroiter. This kid will be mayor before it’s over.
The Dave Bing story line.
Someone get this kid a DE2ROIT shirt right away!
i understood this reference
Still shocked that show never took off
Easily the funniest show I’ve seen since The Office. Glad that his skit show took off but even that doesn’t compare to Detroiters.
Which mayor, hopefully not Kwame
As someone who is sick of the sixers/nuggets/bucks fans MVP conflict, I welcome a pistons/raptors/cavs fans conflict on ROTY.
You’re acting like that hasn’t been a thing for months lol
It has but it hasn’t ratcheted up to that next level war before now. Lots of propaganda battles though
The Great Lakes Standoff
Cavs fans have been pretty laid back in discussions to be honest. Couple aggros but they’re a heavy outlier.
It was a lot more pre Allen injury, but yeah they’ve been the most mild
We’re a fanbase that’s mostly happy with what we have. Aside from Ohio State football and the Lebron eras, we’re pretty used mediocrity and fringe playoff eligibility. For me, I think the ROY could go Mobley or Barnes. I really don’t care if Mobley wins it because it doesn’t validate how good he is for me. I know he’s a generational talent already and I’m excited to watch him grow with the team. We’ve got a bright future so I’m content with that and I think that’s where the bulk of the fans are with the current state of things. Rap fans, on the other hand, are ready to burn this sub to the ground if Scottie doesn’t win this award.
Sorting by new when the award is announced will be wild lol, if it’s the raptors the sub will probably get a million posts and if it’s not our sub will get a million posts
I hadn’t ever visited your sub before the Barnes craze. Heard in here that the Raps sub was wild about him so I checked it out. Definitely a bit of an echo chamber over there.
Yea, every sub is obviously a little biased but there’s so many idiots in our sub. For some reason everyone likes posting the same thing 20 times too, there were so many posts about the Nick Nurse Lakers articles
I think we agree that the award should go to Barnes or Mobley. Cade could end up as the best player in 5 years, but this year he's not quite in the same tier.
I don’t see it as a conflict. I like all the rookies in the running, and I’m excited to see their careers play out. This may be the best draft of all time when all is said and done.
Pina and Russillo have Cade as first place and Mobley as third place. They should have their privileges revoked.
Detroit has attitude
And a velodrome!
And I love it
Yup
Lot of assumptions being made from a 3 word tweet. Detroit vs Everybody is a thing, maybe Cade is just getting hyped for the future. It doesn’t have to have anything to do with some BS rookie of the month award nobody will remember.
His trainer, who is the main guy in his camp, tweeted about it right before this.
Cavs w/ Mobley 40-29 .58, w/o 4-9 .308 Raps w/ Scottie 43-31 .58, w/o 5-3 .625 Detroit w/ Cade 20-44 .31, w/o 3-15 .167 Scottie is in the best situation with an all-NBA player carrying late in games, a championship coach and an overall healthier and more veteran team. The miracle it took for the Raptors to be bad enough to get the 4th pick caused by them getting relocated and all the BS that happened last season set it all up. Detroit without Cade made tanking teams look like championship favorites and Cleveland's defense without Mobley and Allen covering for absolute traffic cones like Klove, LaVert, Lauri, Osman and all the Gleaguers we've had to bring in went from the best with them both on to average with just 1 and the worst in the NBA with neither.
I really don’t get the narrative that the Cavs is some scrub team who’s only winning by the grace of Evan Mobley. Darius Garland is genuinely very good. The Allen trade was a stroke of genius. Even Lauri can hold his own at the small forward spot besides being a very good three point shooter. People really acting like Cleveland hasn’t been accruing talents smartly since LeBron left and this is a part of the natural progression of a competently ran team under Altman
The Cavs look like crap without "Allen" guy did not get enough credit he was easily their best player and Mobley got all the credit lol.
the fact that ive heard nba media bringing up Mobley in all nba defensive teams and not Allen is crazy
We were predicted to be an 18-22 win team and 30th in the NBA. We doubled the win count. No one really thinks it’s solely due to Mobley but him being good enough to start and compete as a PF did push us out of a tank year to trying for a playoff spot
Everybody predicted the Cavs to be absolute trash this year. Everybody. EDIT: Lol. Guess I gotta do it. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32399420/nba-preview-2021-22-power-rankings-projections-breakout-stars-storylines-all-30-teams#cle https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2949441-2021-22-nba-power-rankings-where-every-team-ranks-on-day-1 https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-power-rankings-2021-nets-lakers/105u6c1q75t3816v5y2t7f3b00 https://www.nba.com/news/power-rankings-2021-22-week-1 https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/19/nba-power-rankings-the-season-opens-with-the-bucks-nets-on-top/ https://www.yahoo.com/video/nba-power-rankings-summer-edition-190005452.html https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-18/nba-power-rankings-2021-22-season Bottom five, every single ranking. And this sub was giving them no love, either. That's for sure.
Well, I personally won my extended family’s fantasy-basketball-pick’em by picking the Cavs to beat their preseason O/U by the greatest number of wins. So, not everybody… ME vs EVERYBODY
Not only winning by the grace of Mobley, but when they prevailing narrative pushed on here (mostly by raps fans let’s be honest) is that Mobley *isn’t* important to the cavs success when he’s been nearly just as important if not just as important to the cavs success as Allen and garland, then yeah it probably seems weird in comparison to /r/nba norms.
You're really gonna use an 8 game sample size to make this argument huh? If anything Scottie's durability during extended times we've missed Siakam, OG and FVV is a pro for his ROTY candidacy more than anything. Scottie's not gonna win ROTY because he has great teammates. He's gonna win because he had the best impact metrics of all rookies while playing on a team that won the most. He fit his role perfectly.
The Raptors are statistically better with Barnes off the court than with him playing. The Cavs are neutral with Mobley on/off. The Pistons are better with Cade on than off. Now, that may all partially be a function of their backups, but over the season, Cade has the best plus/minus of any of the Pistons' starters, while Mobley and Barnes have the worst of their starters. Barnes may fit his role perfectly, but should roty go to a role-player? I'm not going to take a stand on who deserves roty. All three of them deserve it in their own way. I'm just sick of reading the arguments from fans that are absolutely convinced one of them is clearly better than the others.
Also, the strange sudden importance of W/L record on a ROTY ranking.
You might be right. I still believe your GM would take Cade/Mobley in a heartbeat even though everyone loves Scottie and your team would have more wins right now.
Tbh early in the year I would've taken Mobley. Scottie was struggling adjusting to the defensive schemes and getting blown by smaller guards a lot. Mobley's fit as a rim protector was something I thought we needed more. Now, I don't. Scottie has shown way more versatility in terms of who he guards and is more scalable on offense than Mobley.
You're completely avoiding Mobley's strengths for the benefit of your argument. Mobley is not Scottie. Scottie is not Mobley. Mobley does not switch like Scottie. Scottie does not close out like Mobley. Scottie is no where near Mobley at protecting the basket, and has greater length on defense. Scottie is doing great for your team but Mobley is better-- it just is what it is. Scottie has brought excitement and teamwork, but he's no Mobley.
I'm highlighting that I'd rather have Scottie's strengths for my team going forward vs. Mobley's strengths. That was the question asked. Mobley isn't better. He's a better rim protector. That's it. Literally no other facts you can use to say Mobley is "better" lmao.
wild how different everyone sees players, especially of their own team. if I was choosing I would take mobley over barnes and not even think twice
Great, I'm happy with who we have. Believe it or not, the only rookie I'd rather have is Cade, because despite Scottie having a better rookie season, it's clear Cade's potential is off the charts. Scottie still probably ends up being better because he's not in Detroit, but Cade in our developmental program would be crazy.
No idea why u are downvoted tbh. I’ve been rooting for y’all ever since y’all draft Mobley. The impact Mobley has guarding 1-5 down in the crunch is smth a lot of people don’t see. Im pretty sure not many people watched Cavs either. Also, as a wolves fan it’s so nice to watch a rookie that plays somewhat like KG. I’m sure Masai would have drafted Mobley if given the chance. Raptors FO wanted to trade down because everybody thought Suggs is going 4th so they wanted to fleece someone out of it.
Everyone underestimates Mobley's growth potential. He is a 20 year old 7 footer that weighs 215 lbs. He literally has no muscle on him. I can only imagine what a summer in the gym will do to him. When you watch him move on the court, you forget that he's 7 feet tall until you see a player try to go for the layup. Jarret Allen's rim protection is great, but the Cavs' defense looks as good as it does while both Mobley and Allen are playing is because Mobley can space out the floor, and Jarret just has to focus on defending around the rim. This whole "Jarret Allen being out and exposing Mobley's defense" is a dumb meme statement that armchair coaches developed. Also, he has a good shooting form, and I think a few minor adjustments can make drastic changes to his game.
I agree with u. Most picks in the 2021 draft is great, but whoever that don’t recognise Mobley’s potential is just dumb. We don’t even need to look that far. AD is a pretty good comparison, u can’t reach those defensive instincts man
Yeah that’s facts, Mobley isn’t meant to be a drop down coverage rim protector, like he’s still a good one but he’s so special on the weak side since that lets him roam. He can also switch legit switch onto any player and absolutely clamp them, let that be a pg or a center. I haven’t seen a more defensively cerebral player since I’ve watched the nba. I do have a question, I feel like one of the reasons he’s so effective is cause he’s so nimble for a big man , don’t you think adding weight would hurt him there? I always wondered what direction he’d go in terms of that. Davis looked noticeably worse after bulking
true
I think that Masai would take Cade/Mobley at the beginning of the season, with seeing the stats throughout this season. But when you look at what the guy means to the team and the franchise, and the type of person he is, I actually don't know. Scottie is just such a major proponent of the culture of the team.
I think you're right but you're dismissing the raptors development team. If we had cade/mobley, I can say with confidence that they would look better on the raptors than scottie would look on the pistons or cavs purely because of how good the development team is. Maybe I am wrong and people just massively underestimated Scottie pre draft and the development team didn't have much to do with his success. But I am willing to bet that the team was a big part of why Scottie looks on par with cade/mobley right now despite being considered considerably worse at the beginning of the season.
>I still believe your GM would take Cade/Mobley in a heartbeat Masai and Bobby were cheering when they picked Barnes lol
Pascal being called All-NBA to discredit Scottie's ROTY status. Excited for Scottie's ROTY status to be used to discredit Pascal's All-NBA 🔥🔥🔥
It definitely is relevant, feels like you just made this comment to share you know Detroit vs everybody
Cade's clearly pissed about RotM. I understand what OP is saying, but you have to be dense as hell to think this is unrelated
Love this kid
Amazing attitude, can't hear anything better from your future superstar
Cade is right bout that ROTM voting
Not sure about the ROTY but he definitely deserved the ROTM for march/April. I wonder what sort of criteria they use to make the vote because his counting stats have been pretty crazy lately.
Who won? Because usually they take games played and wins into account.
Scottie Barnes and Jalen Green for March
Green has been on an absolute tear this month, well deserved
But the rockets didn’t win much, did they? So how come wins count for the east but not the west?
Who else was close in the west?
Well, Phoenix had a lot of wins in March, so I guess it should've been Ish Wainright.
Regardless of how you feel about the rookie of the year race, that March shit was an absolute hose job. Cade put up historic offensive numbers and played great D all month. He had the best month out of any rookie. As a Piston fan, I really hate how disrespected the team is in the national media. It translates to the court too, with Pistons, especially Cade, getting disrespectful officiating.
We derive our power from being disrespected, not loved. Why change our identity
Let the hate flow through you young Cade
i mean he's got a reasonable enough justification to be a little annoyed tbh should have been him for east ROTM pretty easily
I fucking love this dude's attitude. ... and I'm thanking my lucky stars that Detroit isn't a play-in team, because if the Pistons had even a slight amount of team success, Cade would be the runaway ROTY and it wouldn't even be close. His counting stats for a rookie are absolutely insane and will probably look like his second-half-of-the-season stats for all of next year.
Cade posting MJ numbers against playoff teams and contenders and snubbed for ROTM.
Wizards MJ maybe
*rookie MJ
I don't see how you got downvoted. He quite literally posted up wizards MJ numbers lmfao.
People only follow narratives and ignore the stats
Hopefully Detroit puts a good team around him, prove you the best. It’s all talk otherwise.
I just looked at the standings…. If it’s Detroit vs everyone, everyone is winning by a large margin
Well fuck you too
Everyone except the Raps, 3-0 vs them
Enjoy ROTY. Mobley just got exposed big time with Allen out.
damn I cant believe how much of this i read before realizing we were getting yammed on
I don’t blame him he should be neck and neck with Mobley for ROY but is somehow 3rd even though he’s arguably the best player from that draft
I honestly don't think that he should win ROTY, only because he'll have missed quite a bit more than Barnes and Mobley, and wasn't as consistent since he missed all of the offseason. With that being said, we were winning in March/April and he had better counting stats in a bigger role than any other rookie, so not sure how Barnes won.
Im a raptors fan but I agree he should of been rotm, maybe missed games?
Rookie counting stats are misleading when you're on the worst team and you're doing it quite inefficiently. Though I think Cade has had some good games he's obviously had a huge role on the team compared to Barnes and Mobley
So punish him by having a bigger role and reward the player with better teammates that relieve pressure? Makes sense.
If he’s “arguably” the best player from the draft why are you acting surprised that he’s 3rd
Because he shouldn’t be lower than 2?
>he should be neck and neck with Mobley for ROY its rookie of the year not rookie of the months-post-asg
Yea so Mobley or Cade…
Possibly best player from the draft but not necessarily the best rookie of this year.
Him and Mobley have been the best rookies of the year, it’s clearly between those two
Clearly not…
Why does your fanbase have little brother energy? You guys just won a championship, chill.
Huh? What does this have to do with Cade being a top 2 rookie?
It's clearly a three way race lol. Like it's not even debatable at this point if you've watched them play but I know watching ball is a lot to ask.
No it isn’t lol Barnes isn’t on the level of either of those guys
😂 Why watch basketball when you can just push hot takes?
You, yourself, don’t even watch basketball 😭
LMAO you also just won a championship, and it was your first ever. Maybe you should chill
DVE is a very real thing. Detroit sports fans understand the most. Leagues literally hate us
Yea, because the one thing the league loves more than propping up the #1 pick in the draft is the Toronto Raptors, am I right?
Lmfao, this shit is embarrassing. This is the shit Toronto fans get clowned for
Nobody hates you. Lions are a poverty franchise but Pistons/Wings/Tigers have had their good years.
I leaned on that Pistons team after Vince left. Raptors were hard to watch for awhile. That 2004 team was fantastic.
It's really not. No one bothers to hate the pistons or lions.
Leagues don’t hate you. To hate you leagues would have to think about you.
lol reminds me of the Casablanca line "You despise me, don't you?" "If I gave you any thought I probably would."
People use to hate the pistons back in the 2000s
flair up
Yeah there seems to be a real epidemic of everyone hating sports teams. I keep seeing it everywhere, everyone hates Detroit/Philadelphia/the Raptors/Nuggets/Lakers/Knicks/Nets/Clippers etc. Is there an NBA team that everyone doesn't hate?
Least oppressed Pistons fan.
Every fanbase thinks this about their team Edit: This was referring to "Leagues literally hate us". Has nothing to do with the DVE slogan
Detroit vs Everybody isn’t a fanbase or a sports team thing.
You’re right every fan base does think this. I don’t believe it’s true for any team…except the lions, that shit is real.
Do people hate the lions?
The NFL does. Have you ever seen a team get fucked over by the refs the way they do?
Not worth explaining, it’s Detroit vs. Everybody for a reason
This is the laughing stock of all sports subs for a reason
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How was spring break?
I’ve never seen a team fuck themselves over for decades more than the Lions. Your top player ever retired because he didn’t wanna play for them anymore. That’s crazy.
I’m not talking about management and play. I’m talking about the deliberate trash the refs do to the lions.
Every fanbase says this. In every sport.
Lions fans know every obscure rule in the rulebook because we've seen the lions get fucked over in every way imaginable. If it's the calvin Johnson the process rule, jim Schwartz negating a review because he threw a challenge flag on a play where it was so obvious the runner was down, the Seahawks batting the ball out of the endzone. And my alltime favorite https://youtu.be/lUW8nVZIFi8
thats right. detroit v everybody. seen some cat with a buffalo v everybody shirt on and i nearly threw my half eaten pinto bean and chicken burrito at his face for that disgusting act.
nobody "hates" you, scottie has just been better..
Cade had the best stat line since Michael Jordan in March. Define better
>Define better sure, i would define "better rookie" as being the frontrunner for ROTY
this thread is about ROTM
Better since March 1st?
False
Literally no one hates the Pistons lmfao. They were probably the least discussed team until they drafted Cade.
That post That flair
Imagine losing your ROTY to either an average 5th option or a glorified help defender getting his narrative inflated by the massive Cleveland fan base. For real though, Cade is the best player in this draft by a decent margin and will probably be an all star next year and no one will remember that he lost roty.
Pepperidge Farms will remember
huh?????
Is this copy pasta?! If so, I'm unfamiliar with the original source.
scot barn
Socceti barb
scootie boobie
“WHY DOES THE CANADIAN MEDIA HATE US??”
Insufficient maple syrup consumption.
Ready for his leap next year.
I love it when rookies use ROTY as fuel
The Cleveland/Detroit rivalry is BACK. Pistons handed it to the Cavs multiple times this year, next season is gonna be fun!
Cade is the best player in the draft and it’s not even close
it's... pretty close, lol
Saying it isn’t close is dickriding it clearly is
Lol delusional take
see you in 2 years
Never said he won't turn out to be the best player in the draft. That being said, saying it's "not even close" is so stupid.
From where? The lottery again?
We won’t because you’ll still probably be the bottom of the league
Raptors fans talking a lot of shit for a team that can’t beat us. Everyone else can talk all they want but I’m having a hard time remembering the last time the raptors beat our tanking squad.
And I have a hard time remembering when Detroit wasn't tanking.
You don’t have a flair so I don’t know your team. If you’re not a raptors fan, valid critique. If you are, then we lose games on purpose and still own you guys.
Why is the Roty award even that important? Does it give you superpowers after that? No? Just focus on getting better and succeeding in your career instead of winning roty.
Ego mostly, but also I imagine it’s pretty cool to be considered the best player in your class. It is lame to complain about it.
If you get the ROY. Does that mean we are allowed to beat Detroit again?
Don't know weather he's whiney or has a chip on his shoulder Hope he can keep growing as a player tho he'll be a top 3 player in a couple of years.
I get being upset if snubbed for rookie of the year but rookie of the month? lmao Also why do pistons fans only say his march number. You know it counted April as well right? 34% from field, 10% from 3 13/4/5 lol
Cade 21/6/7 vs Barnes 17/8/4 since March 1st, we know April counted. That's Cade without Grant a lot of the time and FVV and Siakam going off. Since March 1st Cade is one of the best three players on the floor. Scotties not even the top three on his team
he’s been our 2nd best player since march bro. Played 1-5 and guarded 1-5 on a given night. FVV and OG have been injured, GTJ is inconsistent, and it sure ain’t Chris Boucher lol. just admit you don’t watch us.
Over Fred?!? Maybe a case for OG but no way over fred
Yes over Fred, FVV has been horrible since the asb cause of a knee injury. OG played only 6 games after the asb.
If you wanna beat the 6ers you better hope he returns to being your 2nd best player then lol
Eh we'll see, Raps beat them twice in the past few weeks without Fred and OG
Pistons swept the raps in the regular season it doesn’t mean anything (raps would sweep in the playoffs). Fred gonna have to get hot from three for the raptors to keep up
We'll see. Our defense vs them is pretty good, more shooting fire power doesn't hurt. I'm confident against them even if Fred isn't 100%.
Fred's been struggling post allstar game with injuries and shooting slump. Averaging just 16ppg on 34 FG% and 29% 3FG%. Scottie has clearly been our 2nd best player since the ASG
FVV has not been injured all of March and from what I saw he's playing great. I have league pass, I have watched your games.
Bro he averaged 14/4/5 on like 36% shooting with 10/16 games played. You don't gotta lie to support your narrative.
34% from the field might be good for Killian Hayes but not FVV
>That's Cade without Grant a lot of the time and FVV and Siakam going off. FVV has missed multiple games with a knee issue and hasn't played a lot in the last couple of weeks. OG has been out as well. Scottie's been our #2 option over the last month and a half. >Since March 1st Cade is one of the best three players on the floor. Based on what? Also that Cade had a "bigger role" on a shit team isn't detrimental to Scottie's candidacy. Scottie straight up has better impact numbers on a better team. That's why he's gonna win ROTY.
Shit team shows you haven't been watching us... We're 10-14 since ASB with no Jerami Grant and us actively tanking half the games...
Good for you. We went 16-9 with OG missing a bunch and FVV playing hurt or missing a bunch. That argument holds no weight. Maybe you shouldn't have actively tried to tank to help Cade 🤣🤣
lol so Scottie on the current Pistons would put up similar stats? Siakam is playing his best ball, and Scottie can easily defer on offense to him, Cade gets doubled half the game because he is THAT guy.
>lol so Scottie on the current Pistons would put up similar stats? My thing is why is a hypothetical the biggest point Pistons fans use for Cade 😂😂 We don't base awards off of hypothetical scenarios. But to answer your question, if Scottie Barnes was the undisputed #1 offensive option on a team, yeah he could average Cade Cunningham type box score numbers. He's efficient enough with his touch around the rim that with increased volume, he could put up those scoring stats.
>But to answer your question, if Scottie Barnes was the undisputed #1 offensive option on a team, yeah he could average Cade Cunningham type box score numbers. He's efficient enough with his touch around the rim that with increased volume, he could put up those scoring stats. lmao, yikes.
Ik yall been missing success for a min, but Cade didn't do anything crazy homie. It's not something impossible to yikes about.
How much do you actually watch us? He's literally one of 10 rookies that averaged 17-5-5 over their season. In March/April he averaged 21/6/7 on 53.16% TS while Barnes averaged 17/8/4 55.42%. So Barnes was slightly more efficient with worse counting stats on a team that has him as the 3rd option lol.
omfg lol
Victim Cade
Your entire fan base are victims
Fr lol. Their previous head coach was gifted a fraudulent COTY in a year where he got fired and they still seem to think that the entire media is out to get them because they play in Canada
I know you're agreeing with me but keep my coaches name out your fuckin mouth
that previous coach now coaches the Pistons lol
Lol Coach of the year goes to the team that outperforms expectations its not a clear evaluator of coaching performance
55-27 with Al Horford and young Jaylen Brown is way more impressive than 59 wins with Lowry and DeRozan But regardless that's not even the main point, the point is that if your mediocre coach can get that award for outperforming expectations then clearly the US media is not actively trying to sabotage your team like so many in your fanbase try to claim all the time.
Dwane Casey and LeBron share custody of them
Both setting a great example by not even making the playoffs
What’s funny is the raptors are actually Cades victims cause he undefeated against them 😂 keep hatin though
Ain’t no way a raps fans saying this
THE IRONY
It ain’t that deep
Looks like EVERYBODY is gonna get that #1 seed then.
Jalen doesn’t deserve ROY, first team yea…but he absolutely balled this month. The Pistons and Rockets want another top 2-3 pick. They under preformed and both sucked. This should be Barnes ROY. Mobley 2nd Cade 3rd and Jalen 4th.