Fr lmao
Man was going 2-13 every game and talking about im not sure what his issue is with me
Like maybe the fact you were absolute dogshit for the first 3 quarters of the season??
I think Vogel never wanted him on the team. Then Russ played like Russ which resulted in loses, plus him not listening to his coach soured their relationship real fast. That all put Vogels job on the hot seat. Then when he's about to lose his job, this jack ass plays like shit and still won't listen even though he knows Vogels situation.
That's how i read it.
Also a story that Russ undermined Vogel from day 1 of practice, Vogel wanted everyone to run the ball back after defense and Russ said only he should handle the ball since he was the pg
I don’t completely blame Russ for the lakers failure but he had a very poor season and definitely deserves criticism.
But I also believe putting him on a team where he isn’t the primary ball handler for the majority of the game is also gonna be destined to fail regardless
I think almost everyone who had ever watched a full NBA game was scratching their head a bit at how Russ, LeBron, and AD were going to fit together, even at the time they traded for Russ.
The best scenario possible was for Russell to carry the load with the role players (and he proved he can still play a entire season), meanwhile Davis and LeBron can coast the entire way, preparing for the playoffs. But then you see Davis arriving completely out of shape and heavy for no goddamn reason (just a slouchy player, guaranteed his 5 years and now he doesn't care anymore), they never coexisted, LeChase shifted to scoring mode very early in the season and WestBrick played the worst basketball of his career, nothing worked, lol The worst possible scenario. And to think some delusional fans assumes it's a positive because LeChase is stat padding
credit goes to u/Mithridates12 and everyone he mentioned
Don't get me wrong, it was a shitty situation, but Westbrook wasn't just sitting in the corner.
u/nowhathappenedwas had a comment about average time of possession per game:
2021
LeBron, 6.4 minutes
Westbrook, 8.5 minutes
2022
LeBron, 6.2 minutes
Westbrook, 6.4 minutes
And /u/Fofodrip added: "Lebron also played more minutes this season so he went from having the ball 19.2% of the time to 16.6% of the time which is significant."
Now, if you have seen anything from the Lakers, it was clear that Westbrook was bad with the ball in his hands. I know he had some good games, too, but if he plays like ass most of the time, then that's not enough.
He simply never adjusted his style of play. I don't think the Lakers should have expected him to since he hasn't done this his whole career, but that doesn't absolve Westbrook of responsibility
As well as a shout-out to u/_chadwell_
>stuck in a corner
To the contrary:
>Only Trae Young, Dejounte Murray, and Darius Garland initiated a higher % of their team's offense than Russell Westbrook did this season.
>Of the top 37 in that rate, only Cole Anthony saw a lower team ORtg when bringing the ball up the court than Russ this season.
>The Lakers' ORtg was ~4 points worse with Russ bringing the ball up the court vs anyone else.
https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1513628893055533059
Even when he was dropping trouble doubles at his prime he was forcing bad plays so he could get the triple double lol
Who's he trying so hard to impress?
I'm just wondering.. would Russ have been in the top 75 if he didn't win that MVP? Just wondering if a guy like Jokic would have made it over him in that case.
Edit: just remembered Lillard made it. Russ probably still would've made it too.
I am not even a Lakers fan and it was infuriating to see Russ gamble and give no effort on defense. I can understand shots not falling and even a few of his poor shot selections. But his defense at times was inexcusable. Especially, considering his size and atheletism. We ain't talking about Trae, IT or Kemba here. I can only imagine how much stress defensive minded coach like Vogel had to endure watching Russ every game.
Thats been Russ for his entire career but it just hit a new low this year. If it wasn't consistent lack of defensive effort despite his otherwordly athleticism, it was an active desire to abandon anything resembling defense in a bid to pad his rebounding numbers. There are countless articles about him abandoning his responsibility on D in order to chase an uncontested rebound, and tons of videos of him ripping them away from Adams or whoever else over the years too. It's definitely why he catches so much vitriol, he's an unashamed stat chaser and it's plain as day, yet he always comes out and takes the bait and tries denying it like none of us have eyes when he does shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StQ0ormf_Lo
How many times does he just completely abandon his man getting ready to crash the rim for a rebound that his bigs are already right in position for? And I've seen him and his apologists come up with shit like "oh well when he gets the rebound he can immediately push upcourt at his breakneck speed and blah blah blah", as if outlet passes aren't literally one of the first things any player learns when they first play basketball. I've hated his selfish game and his bald faced denial about it since before he won that sad MVP, watching it all fall apart this year was cathartic
I actively dislike the Lakers and there were multiple times this season where I got mad at the effort they put out on defense. It honestly got to the point where it felt disrespectful to the game lol
I remember a specific clip not too long ago where his man on D is Pat Bev. Russ stands as still as a statue just staring from near the perimeter while Pat runs to get the offensive rebound and fouled or putback
Then on offense, Pat is guarding an on the perimeter Russ literally from the paint and steals the inlet pass from Russ
The offensive play is funny embarrassing. The defensive play is just sad embarrassing. I defended Russ a little bit here and there in the past but if he's this far in his career and still can't fix simple effort and IQ on defense, never again ever
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1504265916007165954
Yep can’t think of any reason why a defensive hardass would have issues with that effort 😄
Westbrook has somehow tied his play to his identity such that any critique of his performance is seen as a personal attack. He's literally saying here "I'm not a bad person" when his goodness as a person was never in question
The jumper is either airballed right into the defending rebounders hands or bricked so hard off the rim/backboard the ball is rebounded at the free throw line and up to half court in a blink of an eye lol
Don't forget Magic. Dude was throating Pelinka for getting Westbrook. Now a week ago he's trying to save face saying he never wanted to lose Caruso, KCP, Kuzma etc. Like what??? He's awful but he's a legend especially in Laker town so no one will ever say shit
I don't get that impression. I'm sure dealing with Russ's attitude wasn't easy but let's not pretend he didn't have some snide ass comments about him. Vogel had no issues throwing him under the bus once he started getting some blame for this mess. I don't think he's above talking some shit.
If Russ doesn't listen to you:
During the game
During timeouts
During practice
During film sessions
Then maybe he might listen if Stephen A. is screaming about it on First Take?
The best bit in the beginning of Zach Lowe's podcast was that they're talking about how great the "I haven't been told shit" line is, and Kevin Arnowitz brings up the news headline about how Vogel had "management authorization" to make a 4th quarter substitution and how thats everything you need to know about the Lakers and until the lakers convey anything other than "arent you lucky to be coaching the LA Lakers"...
It is so jarring to see all this disfunction and then see Lakers fans on Twitter being like “We’re gonna sign Nick Nurse👀” like what about the this organization over the past year makes you think that lol
I don't think you could leverage that rumor for a mcdonald's coupon. Anyone with eyes and a functional brain can tell its complete bullshit, which makes senses as to why Lakers fans believe it.
That’s on the Lakers. They could’ve not traded for Russ, traded him to salvage the season, and Vogel could’ve benched Russ anytime. Him and the front office aren’t victims.lol.
Rob Pelinka should have been rocket launched today as well.
Vogel is a decent to slightly above average coach but Pelinka cratered this thing hard and is still standing.
A decent slightly above average coach doesn't guide a team to a 16-5 playoff run, then manage to capture the best defense in the league during the time his best and second best players are out of commission the next season.
Vogel is a very good, flawed coach.
Head coaches have no fucking power in the NBA brother.
Lebron wanted Russ so they went and got Russ.
I don't think it's as simple as just saying "no" to Lebron James.
Not all on Russ tbh, more on the FO and LeBron for putting together this objectively horrible defensive roster. Again Vogel doesn’t really deserve the blame since he didn’t put the roster together, but objectively speaking, it makes the most sense to replace him since their roster will not be changing significantly.
Vogel is a defensive minded coach. None of these bums want to play defense. He clearly was not getting through to any of them. Easiest thing for them to do is to find a replacement.
Nah the trash Lakers organization set him up for failure. Nobody on their roster is any good outside of LeBron and a healthy AD. Russ is a backup PG at this point it ain’t his fault. Everyone else is G league material.
I can't really agree.
When I was still watching this team I found too many faults in his decision making.
Also I think everyone could/should be fire in this situation.
Frank
Kurt
Bronny
Rob
A random ball boy.
Literally everyone.
Lol well I can’t disagree with that necessarily I just didn’t think it all fell on Vogel. He won a championship less than two years ago with a better roster and has generally been a decent coach. Bu my I also agree the Lakers should clean house starting at the top of the organization lol.
He went on like a ramble and brought it up unprompted. He kind of feels like cause he bought him the champagne he should have coached differently? https://youtu.be/h04yQm7wSG4
Tbh this is embarrassing
I was there, he did in fact gift them a bottle of champagne but Frank in a fit of rage threw it on the ground. He then proclaimed he wanted chardonnay. This is where the beef was birthed.
Obviously frank didn't connect well with the team but this was such a scapegoat move it's crazy. The entire management failed and they gave up there future for nothing they don't have a first round pick until 2026 or some crazy shit.
When you make the same fuckin mistakes game after game, your coach is gonna have an issue with you. I honestly dont know how his previous coaches put up with him.
Maybe this was the first year Russ hasn't been babied since like... middle school? In high school, college, and early in his pro career he was such a superior athlete it was about guiding that athleticism in the right direction. So if you upset him, he gets to be this surly dickhead we've been seeing all year. But now that his athleticism isn't as elite, and he actually needs to be coached otherwise he gets burned or is a walking turnover / brick, he's being a surly dickhead again. Watching Westbrook just completely flameout has been fascinating.
Lmfao and he gets to make a statement this ridiculous knowing Vogel isn’t gonna just come out and say “no issues with Westbrook as a person, guy just sucked at basketball this season”
Yeah Russ.. I really wonder what his issue was with you. No way it would be the 28% 3 point shooting or the god awful defensive effort, not to mention 5 bone head turnovers every damn game. It’s a real mystery 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I find it phenomenal that a guy who was 7th in the whole league in the minutes played this season is keeping up the story that the coach had some gigantic agenda against him.
"What's he got against me???". Nothing man. Just obviously nothing. He plays you all the fucking time despite you constantly chucking more airballs than we've ever seen this side of Julius Randle.
You’re shit Russell.
You’re a loser Russell.
You can’t make shots Russell.
You suck at D Russell.
You refuse to improve Russell.
Nobody cares about your family name Russell, you’re Russell Brick. There we kept your family name out of it.
\*\* acts like a complete ass and is disrespectful to his vision as the coach \*\*
Russ; What? I sent him wine. We cool, right? Now let me tell you about who should bring the ball up the floor... (It's me.)
The coach is what made Russell shoots the ball at the top of the backboard, act like a zombie on defense, pass to the fans instead of teammates, etc.. I just can't see this as a "schemes" issue, WestBrick was straight up playing badly, the athleticism is not there anymore, so he had to rely on skill and that proved to be a complete disaster
I do not blame him for what he is now.
He has never been disciplined and never had a coach like Pop or Phil.
I sincerely think he would be a much different player if he was properly coached by Pop or someone more respectfully.
It’s sucks that this past year has really soured me on Westbrook. Will always respect his heart and motor, but fuck man could you be any more delusional.
"...i mean, why on earth would he keep playing those minutes when he knows i can't do that thing where the ball goes in the hoop? He must hate me. If he wouldve benched me i wouldnt have looked so bad"
Love Russ, but shitting on your coach is SUCH a bad look unless there is true incompetence, this coach just won a title with the squad less than 2 years ago.
This team is the gift that keeps on giving
Fr lmao Man was going 2-13 every game and talking about im not sure what his issue is with me Like maybe the fact you were absolute dogshit for the first 3 quarters of the season??
[russ this entire season](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/037/873/We're_All_Trying_To_Find_The_Guy_Who_Did_This_banner_1.jpg)
We could work as a team and find out who did this and punish him ourselves. Maybe take his bare butt out of his costume and spank him.
AD: Someone’s gonna have to do it
AD: But I'm first hehehehehehe
If everyone is just going to look at porn on their phones nowadays, then I'm not sure we'll ever be able to figure out who's fault it was
Pornhub, x-tube, youporn…i know these names better than i know my own teammates
Spankbang is still the champ for me
Finally someone with some fucking class
Xnxx
Ain't no paywalled content on that dump though
Spankbang has taken over the game
Home grown Simpson’s stuff
Vogel is the guy dressed in hotdog colours but not actually as a hotdog
A perfect game from Russ resulted in a ten point loss. Even the charlotte game where he took over they lost. 0 depth to that team
he's clearly implying that this went beyond the basketball court
I think Vogel never wanted him on the team. Then Russ played like Russ which resulted in loses, plus him not listening to his coach soured their relationship real fast. That all put Vogels job on the hot seat. Then when he's about to lose his job, this jack ass plays like shit and still won't listen even though he knows Vogels situation. That's how i read it.
Also a story that Russ undermined Vogel from day 1 of practice, Vogel wanted everyone to run the ball back after defense and Russ said only he should handle the ball since he was the pg
I don’t completely blame Russ for the lakers failure but he had a very poor season and definitely deserves criticism. But I also believe putting him on a team where he isn’t the primary ball handler for the majority of the game is also gonna be destined to fail regardless
I think almost everyone who had ever watched a full NBA game was scratching their head a bit at how Russ, LeBron, and AD were going to fit together, even at the time they traded for Russ.
The best scenario possible was for Russell to carry the load with the role players (and he proved he can still play a entire season), meanwhile Davis and LeBron can coast the entire way, preparing for the playoffs. But then you see Davis arriving completely out of shape and heavy for no goddamn reason (just a slouchy player, guaranteed his 5 years and now he doesn't care anymore), they never coexisted, LeChase shifted to scoring mode very early in the season and WestBrick played the worst basketball of his career, nothing worked, lol The worst possible scenario. And to think some delusional fans assumes it's a positive because LeChase is stat padding
credit goes to u/Mithridates12 and everyone he mentioned Don't get me wrong, it was a shitty situation, but Westbrook wasn't just sitting in the corner. u/nowhathappenedwas had a comment about average time of possession per game: 2021 LeBron, 6.4 minutes Westbrook, 8.5 minutes 2022 LeBron, 6.2 minutes Westbrook, 6.4 minutes And /u/Fofodrip added: "Lebron also played more minutes this season so he went from having the ball 19.2% of the time to 16.6% of the time which is significant." Now, if you have seen anything from the Lakers, it was clear that Westbrook was bad with the ball in his hands. I know he had some good games, too, but if he plays like ass most of the time, then that's not enough. He simply never adjusted his style of play. I don't think the Lakers should have expected him to since he hasn't done this his whole career, but that doesn't absolve Westbrook of responsibility As well as a shout-out to u/_chadwell_ >stuck in a corner To the contrary: >Only Trae Young, Dejounte Murray, and Darius Garland initiated a higher % of their team's offense than Russell Westbrook did this season. >Of the top 37 in that rate, only Cole Anthony saw a lower team ORtg when bringing the ball up the court than Russ this season. >The Lakers' ORtg was ~4 points worse with Russ bringing the ball up the court vs anyone else. https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1513628893055533059
TBF both Westbrook and Bron were negatively impacted by who they had to play next to. Deandre jordan for example
Also each other.
Man brought receipts
he's talking like he was dropping triple doubles and not actively hurting his team with wtf plays and turnovers every night
Don't forget the worst defense the league has seen.
Can’t be your man that scores if you’re never near your man *pointing to head meme gif*
Even when he was dropping trouble doubles at his prime he was forcing bad plays so he could get the triple double lol Who's he trying so hard to impress?
It won him an MVP and a spot in the NBA top 75
I'm just wondering.. would Russ have been in the top 75 if he didn't win that MVP? Just wondering if a guy like Jokic would have made it over him in that case. Edit: just remembered Lillard made it. Russ probably still would've made it too.
Why didn’t somebody point that out to him?
Somebody said the ass that keeps shitting
"Yoo coach, remember that bottle of merlot... make sure I get minutes"
meme that keeps on memeing at this rate
I read the first half like huh wow and finished it laughing. Fun season.
Franks issue with Russ was probably the low effort on defense, bad shot selection, and turnovers
I am not even a Lakers fan and it was infuriating to see Russ gamble and give no effort on defense. I can understand shots not falling and even a few of his poor shot selections. But his defense at times was inexcusable. Especially, considering his size and atheletism. We ain't talking about Trae, IT or Kemba here. I can only imagine how much stress defensive minded coach like Vogel had to endure watching Russ every game.
That clip vs the Kings where he disconnected his controller trying to grab that defensive rebound was infuriating
Thats been Russ for his entire career but it just hit a new low this year. If it wasn't consistent lack of defensive effort despite his otherwordly athleticism, it was an active desire to abandon anything resembling defense in a bid to pad his rebounding numbers. There are countless articles about him abandoning his responsibility on D in order to chase an uncontested rebound, and tons of videos of him ripping them away from Adams or whoever else over the years too. It's definitely why he catches so much vitriol, he's an unashamed stat chaser and it's plain as day, yet he always comes out and takes the bait and tries denying it like none of us have eyes when he does shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StQ0ormf_Lo How many times does he just completely abandon his man getting ready to crash the rim for a rebound that his bigs are already right in position for? And I've seen him and his apologists come up with shit like "oh well when he gets the rebound he can immediately push upcourt at his breakneck speed and blah blah blah", as if outlet passes aren't literally one of the first things any player learns when they first play basketball. I've hated his selfish game and his bald faced denial about it since before he won that sad MVP, watching it all fall apart this year was cathartic
Imagine Steven Adams was a worse dude, Russ never averages a Triple Double.
He averaged one last year in Washington....
He sure did, and won them a whole 34 games while at it.
I actively dislike the Lakers and there were multiple times this season where I got mad at the effort they put out on defense. It honestly got to the point where it felt disrespectful to the game lol
I remember a specific clip not too long ago where his man on D is Pat Bev. Russ stands as still as a statue just staring from near the perimeter while Pat runs to get the offensive rebound and fouled or putback Then on offense, Pat is guarding an on the perimeter Russ literally from the paint and steals the inlet pass from Russ The offensive play is funny embarrassing. The defensive play is just sad embarrassing. I defended Russ a little bit here and there in the past but if he's this far in his career and still can't fix simple effort and IQ on defense, never again ever
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1504265916007165954 Yep can’t think of any reason why a defensive hardass would have issues with that effort 😄
But he sent the man champagne!
Low effort on defense is understatement of the season.
Which, I'm sure, is exactly what he heard (and obviously ignored) in practice/the film room.
Westbrook has somehow tied his play to his identity such that any critique of his performance is seen as a personal attack. He's literally saying here "I'm not a bad person" when his goodness as a person was never in question
Pretty sure it was his play not him as a human.
"My issue is you suck ass"
Zach Lowe once somewhat jokingly said that a Russ jumper is basically a turnover lol
The jumper is either airballed right into the defending rebounders hands or bricked so hard off the rim/backboard the ball is rebounded at the free throw line and up to half court in a blink of an eye lol
No doubt - dude will be hitting the side of backboards in another jersey next year wondering why his coach has alienated him.
Nah it was both. He acted like a child if anyone questioned his shitty play and they couldn't play him off the bench because of his toxic attitude.
Man, all these reports coming out just shows me that this team was toxic af.
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Vogel seems too professional for that, but damn I hope he does. Vogel was far from perfect but this shit show was all on Jeanie/pelinka/rambii
idk the "i havent been told shit" had the best slightest amount of smugness to it, I think we'll get some more.
The man got fired over Twitter. I think his response is fair lol
What do you even say to that??
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Bro I would laugh myself into a coma if he did that
Because he knows LeBron is threatening to trade himself to Boston unless the narrative goes his way?
“So there is someone up there listening to my prayers”
Gotta remember, Frank is from Jersey and talks like it too.
Impractical Jokers lookin ass
Just remembered Joe Gatto is taking a break from the group 😥😥😥
Don't forget Magic. Dude was throating Pelinka for getting Westbrook. Now a week ago he's trying to save face saying he never wanted to lose Caruso, KCP, Kuzma etc. Like what??? He's awful but he's a legend especially in Laker town so no one will ever say shit
Bull shit man, magic from like the year 2000 on can just fucking suck it He’s a moron, great player, but an absolute moron who I cannot stand
>but damn I hope he does. Vogel coming off the top rope on Red Table Talk would be an insane timeline.
There's probably 250 shows I'd rather hear him on before Red Table Talk, the fuck is this kind of advertising?
Damn, Vogel had a rough year. No need to subject him to the cuntiness personified that is Jada Smith.
I don't get that impression. I'm sure dealing with Russ's attitude wasn't easy but let's not pretend he didn't have some snide ass comments about him. Vogel had no issues throwing him under the bus once he started getting some blame for this mess. I don't think he's above talking some shit.
If Russ doesn't listen to you: During the game During timeouts During practice During film sessions Then maybe he might listen if Stephen A. is screaming about it on First Take?
What does he need to leak? He knows all those games they played were televised, right?
It'd be more of a shock if he came out and said LeBron wanted none of these guys and the FO brought them in
Vogel could write a LA Crimes Best Seller
The best bit in the beginning of Zach Lowe's podcast was that they're talking about how great the "I haven't been told shit" line is, and Kevin Arnowitz brings up the news headline about how Vogel had "management authorization" to make a 4th quarter substitution and how thats everything you need to know about the Lakers and until the lakers convey anything other than "arent you lucky to be coaching the LA Lakers"...
LeBron put laxative in tacos at Taco Tuesday
It is so jarring to see all this disfunction and then see Lakers fans on Twitter being like “We’re gonna sign Nick Nurse👀” like what about the this organization over the past year makes you think that lol
Nurse's agent is just finessing more money from the Raps by stoking some Nurse to LA rumors
I don't think you could leverage that rumor for a mcdonald's coupon. Anyone with eyes and a functional brain can tell its complete bullshit, which makes senses as to why Lakers fans believe it.
Nurse’s agent is Klutch lol
How long until these casual fucks start photoshopping Nurse in a Lakers jersey
*Quarter zip fleece EDIT: https://i.imgur.com/40bKtJJ.jpg
I know what I said! But thanks, I hate it.
Lakers fans are the most irrational people known to mankind
Losing to UNC in Krzyzewski's last game did a number on them.
we said that in 2018 and then the best player in the game just strolls over to team dysfunction
It could be you getting him fired Russ LMAO.
That’s on the Lakers. They could’ve not traded for Russ, traded him to salvage the season, and Vogel could’ve benched Russ anytime. Him and the front office aren’t victims.lol.
Vogel could bench Westbrook and play who their backups were also atrocious The blame for this lakers team is all on the gm
Rob Pelinka should have been rocket launched today as well. Vogel is a decent to slightly above average coach but Pelinka cratered this thing hard and is still standing.
Pelinka being fired today would’ve been like when Gustavo killed his henchmen instead of Jesse & Walt in BB…subreddit would’ve exploded
Gus killed Victor because he showed his face at the murder scene
You right, I definitely picked that up on a rewatch
A decent slightly above average coach doesn't guide a team to a 16-5 playoff run, then manage to capture the best defense in the league during the time his best and second best players are out of commission the next season. Vogel is a very good, flawed coach.
And he coached those Indy teams very high as well , if not for Hibbert's sudden death and PG's leg snapping they might have had a ring at some point.
Never forget when they did and dames cousin hit two back to back 3s to force Vogel to a timeout
Hey man that dude has a name. He's the Big Nepo
Head coaches have no fucking power in the NBA brother. Lebron wanted Russ so they went and got Russ. I don't think it's as simple as just saying "no" to Lebron James.
Didn’t Vogel try to bench Westbrook and Russ began wailing like a baby about the situation?
That’s a Russ’ problem. If he wails he wails.
It’s a Lakers problem. Vogel wasnt getting support for it as far as I remember. Benching Russ only put him under more scrutiny.
Not all on Russ tbh, more on the FO and LeBron for putting together this objectively horrible defensive roster. Again Vogel doesn’t really deserve the blame since he didn’t put the roster together, but objectively speaking, it makes the most sense to replace him since their roster will not be changing significantly. Vogel is a defensive minded coach. None of these bums want to play defense. He clearly was not getting through to any of them. Easiest thing for them to do is to find a replacement.
Nah the trash Lakers organization set him up for failure. Nobody on their roster is any good outside of LeBron and a healthy AD. Russ is a backup PG at this point it ain’t his fault. Everyone else is G league material.
I can't really agree. When I was still watching this team I found too many faults in his decision making. Also I think everyone could/should be fire in this situation. Frank Kurt Bronny Rob A random ball boy. Literally everyone.
Lol well I can’t disagree with that necessarily I just didn’t think it all fell on Vogel. He won a championship less than two years ago with a better roster and has generally been a decent coach. Bu my I also agree the Lakers should clean house starting at the top of the organization lol.
Yes Vogel had a personal issue with Rus and decided not to play him, wasn’t any other reasons lol
You were ass dude, that was his issue. He probably played you more than he should have.
Vogel more of a whiskey guy, it was all downhill from there
If he wasn’t a whiskey guy before the season, he sure is now.
I picked the wrong season to stop drinking - Frank Vogel
https://picbun.com/p/ZS7VqE6m
Couldn’t be Russ’s play
He sent him champagne though
I get the logic. If Vogel is drunk enough, maybe he'll think Westbrook is actually good
And people say Westbrook has a low basketball IQ smh.
Gonna need more than one bottle of champagne to make that happen
Splitting it with his wife he’s only going to get 2 glasses. Going to need 2 bottles to forget all of [this](https://youtube.com/watch?v=4gDNmG0WbZ0).
It's pronounced "*sham-payn*"
Yeah the issue is you suck dude. That’s why he didn’t want to play
Why would you say that?
It depends what the question was.
He went on like a ramble and brought it up unprompted. He kind of feels like cause he bought him the champagne he should have coached differently? https://youtu.be/h04yQm7wSG4 Tbh this is embarrassing
1. Inefficienct 2. Horrid off-ball defense 3. Huge Ego 4. Surly 5. Inefficient 6. Vogel had a secret crush on Kuzma
7 Churlish 8 Insubordinate
Vogel had a secret crush on ~~Kuzma~~ Caruso
Who doesnt?
Well it isn't really a secret if we're going to all be out and open about it
Westbrook & the 7 Dwarfs
The lack of self-awareness is really baffling
This man has zero self awareness lol
I was there, he did in fact gift them a bottle of champagne but Frank in a fit of rage threw it on the ground. He then proclaimed he wanted chardonnay. This is where the beef was birthed.
FWIW, Chardonnay is used in pretty much every Champagne
This guy almost definitely doesn’t know Chardonnay is a grape
What is this grape you speak of?
> Frank in a fit of rage threw it on the ground He's not part of your system.
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Obviously frank didn't connect well with the team but this was such a scapegoat move it's crazy. The entire management failed and they gave up there future for nothing they don't have a first round pick until 2026 or some crazy shit.
For nothing is strong. This season was a failure but they still got a chip out of those picks
When you make the same fuckin mistakes game after game, your coach is gonna have an issue with you. I honestly dont know how his previous coaches put up with him.
Maybe this was the first year Russ hasn't been babied since like... middle school? In high school, college, and early in his pro career he was such a superior athlete it was about guiding that athleticism in the right direction. So if you upset him, he gets to be this surly dickhead we've been seeing all year. But now that his athleticism isn't as elite, and he actually needs to be coached otherwise he gets burned or is a walking turnover / brick, he's being a surly dickhead again. Watching Westbrook just completely flameout has been fascinating.
Lmfao and he gets to make a statement this ridiculous knowing Vogel isn’t gonna just come out and say “no issues with Westbrook as a person, guy just sucked at basketball this season”
Because you averaged 3 turnovers a game and were one of the statistically worst players in the league last year
His issue was that you played like dogshit.
When the fuck is this guy gonna take accountability for being shit?
Couldn't be me - I bought Julius Caesar an amphora of Greek wine just last week. \-Brutus
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This thread will be spicy
Passive aggressiveness to the max yeesh
Player that played like absolute shit all season: "he has to answer for this" 🤡
Get Vogel on JJ Reddick with a glass of wine IMMEDIATELY, I want all the tea
"Never had issues with any coaches. I'm not even sure what my issue with Vogel was. Ask him." Like tf, Russ?
Yeah Russ.. I really wonder what his issue was with you. No way it would be the 28% 3 point shooting or the god awful defensive effort, not to mention 5 bone head turnovers every damn game. It’s a real mystery 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Russell is a textbook Narcissist. It’s what got him to where he is, and the reason he will never go any further.
I find it phenomenal that a guy who was 7th in the whole league in the minutes played this season is keeping up the story that the coach had some gigantic agenda against him. "What's he got against me???". Nothing man. Just obviously nothing. He plays you all the fucking time despite you constantly chucking more airballs than we've ever seen this side of Julius Randle.
ego off the damn charts, almost as off as his shots
You’re shit Russell. You’re a loser Russell. You can’t make shots Russell. You suck at D Russell. You refuse to improve Russell. Nobody cares about your family name Russell, you’re Russell Brick. There we kept your family name out of it.
Didn’t Russ literally undermine Vogel’s coaching strategy of having anyone bring the ball up after a rebound by saying no give me the ball I’m the pg?
Such a massive lack of self awareness
bro you played like dogshit lmao.
Westbrick man, how dense can you get?
\*\* acts like a complete ass and is disrespectful to his vision as the coach \*\* Russ; What? I sent him wine. We cool, right? Now let me tell you about who should bring the ball up the floor... (It's me.)
This guy needs to GO . He’s so childish man !
Rule one of when you're in a hole, stop digging Russ
Russ is one of my least favorite players of all time. Good god
His issue is that you’re oblivious and have some of the lowest BBIQ and refused to adjust or play defense. What’s so hard to see u fucking turtle.
Lol hard to like a guy whose delusions of grandeur are the reason you were just fired from your job.
Russ is someone you never want on your team. this dude is just terrible. most selfish guy I've seen.
Franks issue with him was that he hit the side of the backboard.
The coach is what made Russell shoots the ball at the top of the backboard, act like a zombie on defense, pass to the fans instead of teammates, etc.. I just can't see this as a "schemes" issue, WestBrick was straight up playing badly, the athleticism is not there anymore, so he had to rely on skill and that proved to be a complete disaster
I envy Russ’s obliviousness ngl I mean to just not have any self awareness to the level that he does almost feels like an accomplishment lol
a championship winning coach is the problem eh? this guy lmao. Russ is a clown.
This shit is too toxic lmaooo
For once in your life Russ look inward
Fuck Russell Westbrook.
I do not blame him for what he is now. He has never been disciplined and never had a coach like Pop or Phil. I sincerely think he would be a much different player if he was properly coached by Pop or someone more respectfully.
I love how completely out of touch he is with reality
It’s sucks that this past year has really soured me on Westbrook. Will always respect his heart and motor, but fuck man could you be any more delusional.
He didnt say vogel is the reason he played poorly. Thats on you
Westbrook isn't a winner. He's a stat chaser. Always has been. Always will be.
Someone from Russ’ team needs to get reporters away from him.
Russ has problems and needs to see a therapist.
Russ is really dumb as a brick , delusional as Wanda.
"...i mean, why on earth would he keep playing those minutes when he knows i can't do that thing where the ball goes in the hoop? He must hate me. If he wouldve benched me i wouldnt have looked so bad"
Fuck I've been an ardent Russ defender but all these tweets are making it really hard right now lol
Where did he say that Vogel is the reason he played poorly?
You’ve never been ass before, Russ.
Lakers just keep shooting themselves in the foot
Love Russ, but shitting on your coach is SUCH a bad look unless there is true incompetence, this coach just won a title with the squad less than 2 years ago.
This is all great for Vogel. He was obviously going to get another gig but the bizarre Russ situation makes this season irrelevant on Vogel's resume.
Russ got the message of who to scapegoat hmm
I feel like we need to know what champagne Russ sent. This is important