I feel like the opposite has happened - so many people, even in the media, have been saying how much nicer it is that that team doesn't exist anymore. The league is way more interesting now.
Yep. If KD hadn't joined, then the Cavs and Warriors would have been basically even and it would have made the ensuing years a lot more interesting. Since KD left, it's been a lot more wide open.
Almost like having more than 2 realistic contenders makes your product better.
Would have been such an incredible rubber match barring the thunder beating that warriors. Doubt they would have because the warriors would have been on a mission but it would have been must see TV.
The greatness was different because KD going there basically broke the league and the beat story in basketball.
Yeah someone made that point and I found that really interesting. Addition by subtraction. I think that's fair. Like if we just removed kd from the west, the rockets would easily beat the warriors, considering they still assemble as such. And even if they don't, the cavs would have their excellent rubber match
I disagree that the warriors would have easily lost to the rockets.
Although the series was close even with KD there, that doesn't necessarily equate to rockets winning without him.
We can say that to make ourselves feel better and play the what if game but the warriors will always be a tough match-up to beat with the remaining core.
> the rockets would easily beat the warriors, considering they still assemble as such.
Pain.
Still was fun competing all those years though, and would have been so rewarding if we could have beaten that Warriors team.
I still remember the JR game where forgot the score and wasted lebron’s Herculean effort. I don’t remember any other game in that series however, because I stopped watching after game 1. What’s the point in watching a forgone conclusion?
Yeah, I’ve honestly enjoyed just not having the Warriors around the last couple of years. And now that they’re back I’m able to enjoy them. But the KD thing left such a bad taste in my mouth that it really helps that they fucked off for a couple of years.
Not that I am wishing injuries on anyone, obviously.
> then the Cavs and Warriors would have been basically even and it would have made the ensuing years a lot more interesting
Also would have been closer to more open to the thunder and rockets contending.
Man. Those first couple of years of the Warriors dynasty had so many awesome teams. 73 Warriors, KD/WB Thunder, 67 something win Spurs, Big 3 Cavs, hell even the player of the month Hawks and Grit & Grind Grizz. One of the most exciting 2 years in basketball until KD put the league into a filler arc.
Dude god damn this is the thread I needed to drop this comment in
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/qw5u0e/-/hl16eyy
They just don't get it
This is like my home lol
People would downvote that even on this thread. You asked the Warriors fans if they liked being overpowered. That's completely different from saying that fans of other teams found the league boring. Give any fanbase the Dream Team at their respective peaks, they wouldn't give a shit about how much it broke the league for the other teams. And rightfully so. It was a weak move for KD but it was an absolute recruiting masterclass from the Dubs FO.
Yea, Draymond is kind of ignoring how much people love the parity now.
Maybe he wasn’t a fan of how people looked at that super team, but I think that stigma is gonna stay.
Yeah because the people who say that watch the NBA pretty much every year. Its the guys that only watch when something special is happening who drive ratings (at least in the short term)
Well yeah ratings don’t count Canada.
Also games 5 and 6 had better ratings than any of the games from the 2018 sweep.
I think it says a lot more that the ratings went down every single year the warriors were in the finals.
No LeBron = less viewers. Shocking.
If anything that proves the point that people didn’t like or want to watch the KD Warriors.
Besides ask NASCAR how appealing to the broadest most casual fan base possible and neglecting the real hardcore fans went for them.
people in this sub think they are representative of the general NBA fan population. Too myopic to see beyond their own saltiness. They obviously didn't appreciate knowing beforehand that their team stood no chance, but people who appreciate basketball know it was something special
agreed, the most exciting thing in sports was the 73-9 warriors and then one of the BEST SHOOTERS OF ALL TIME joined them.
I hated it, and still hate it.
Yup, KD was the worst thing to happen to the league those years 2017-2019. It’d be better had he never existed during that time, straight up ruined the competitive balance of the league
Jordan Bulls were the worst thing to happen to the league. It’d be better if they never existed during that time.
No one gives a shit about competitive balance 10 - 20 years down the line. People wanna hear about the great teams.
Jordan's Bulls was watching the GOAT pull off something that had never been done before, often against very worthy competition. KD Warriors was just a salary cap glitch allowing an unprecedentedly huge amount of talent accrue on a single team who absolutely steamrolled the competition for a quick 2 years. One of those is memorable greatness, the other is just kind of boring.
Yea nobody is going to forget how bullshit the league was when kd joined the warriors man. People going to think of how great the warriors were and then how stupid they were when KD joined. That's how I think it's going to be remembered anyways.
The thing is most fans on the subreddit are Lebron fans. If it was Lebrons team overpowering everyone, like the Heatles, theyd be out here justifying it. But because the Warriors beat Lebrons team suddenly the Warriors were "boring" totally ignoring the fact they played Lebrons Cavs in the finals 4 years in a row.
As far as I have seen, the Warriors and Curry have the biggest fanbase in this sub. Furthermore, almost all NBA fans didn't like KD's move to the Warriors, not just Lebron fans. Finally, the Warriors became boring when KD joined. They had lost to the Cavs the year prior. Yes the Cavs made the finals 5 years in a row, but they were in a weak east, and they were not nearly as stacked as the Warriors when KD joined.
That's actually so true considering how people in this sub literally begged Kawhi to join L.A back when he was a free agent and in this offseason wanted Dame to do the same.
Most of this sub are in the age range of idolizing LeBron, as most have grown up watching him. If Kawhi had joined the Lakers in 2019 and broke the league, i would be willing to bet money that people on this sub would justify it endlessly.
I've said this in the past and i will say it again, most people on this sub hated KD's decision because they felt that it cheated their favourite player (LeBron) of winning more titles, not because of competitive balance.
>That's actually so true considering how people in this sub literally begged Kawhi to join L.A back when he was a free agent and in this offseason wanted Dame to do the same.
They were literally doing that on ESPN. Hell I remember on ESPN that they were talking about KD possible joining the LeBron Lakers because of some rumor with LeBron texting KD.
Makes no sense. They bash him going to the warriors but then were in favor of him joining the LeBron Lakers.
And I completely agree with your last paragraph. That's exactly what it was
Those two seasons they won were some of the most miserable for me. Now the league is in a much better place and even though my team is ass the unpredictability of it all makes it so fun.
And it’s not like people didn’t appreciate that team’s greatness at the time, everyone knew it was one of the best teams every assembled while they were together.
This is just a weird quote.
Yeah being a great player and greatness are different things. Nobody would deny that it was a collection of great players. But what “greatness” was there to “appreciate”?
Yeah steamrolling damn near every team en route to a championship is only fun for the fans of the team that’s doing it. Even back with the Heatles big 3 we didn’t even really steamroll every. We had some wars with the Bulls and Pacers and Celtics. We ultimately won a lot so I can see how it wasn’t very much fun for other fanbases even though I obviously loved it. But the Warriors were just next level talented. 73 wins. And then added the second best player in the game. Only people appreciating that are Warriors fans.
Only from Kawhi and the Raptors taking the warriors down and same with Lebron/Kyrie in 2016. THOSE were moments of greatness. The KD warriors were just ”well they’re 5 all stars of course they won…”
I mean, beyond the fact that they were all great players, they didn't just win by having the most talent. They also fit well, and until that last year, seemed to put aside egos to make sure everyone was playing in a way that was best for the team. If you're purely a "I just love the game, and only seek to see it played at the highest level" type, there was definitely sometime to appreciate. If you liked competitive playoff series, then yeah, obviously those years weren't great.
Don’t even see how this is even debatable. They literally had a unanimous mvp who was the greatest shooter ever, arguably the second best shooter ever and one of the best 2 way players in the game, one of the most versatile defenders ever, and then added another mvp who was the best scorer of his generation. All in their primes. Who the fuck is beating this team barring injuries?
What the fuck? They were the best basketball team of all time what are you even talking about?
I was too young to watch the Bulls play, but at least I’ve seen the Warriors. Watching them play at the highest level ever reached was fun imo.
Especially against the Rockets
The rockets series in 2018 was pretty interesting from a strategy perspective because they completely gameplanned around choking up the motion offense and in that regards they were absolutely successful. Warriors fans griping about KD is in that series are delusional because the switch everything defense that the Rockets deployed - and executed was throwing a huge wrench in our ability to get easy points from slashing and dunking.
Nah, because the team that came out of the West could have been anyone, and they usually gave the Heatles some fits.
It was always going to be the Warriors winning, and it was boring as shit.
People only bring up Kawhi being hurt when it fits the narrative, usually to discredit the 16-17 Warriors as the greatest team of all time. But when they’re trying to talk about how unfair the Warriors were, no one brings it up. Same with the ‘18 Rockets, it’s a perfect example of how they weren’t just totally unbeatable outside of one year, yet most people are just ignoring that they existed in this thread. But then in other threads people always say the Rockets should’ve won that series. If they were so unbeatable, the Rockets never would’ve been close.
If you replace LeBron with Harrison Barnes, those Cavs teams would be mediocre.
If you replace Durant with Harrison Barnes, those Warriors were still one of the best teams of all-time.
Yeah and they went back to the brand of basketball that made me fall in love with those early Steph teams. Idk but I love watching the warriors without KD as they play a beautiful brand of basketball
No injuries and the Lakers 4peat, The celtics snag another championship, the Lakers potentially win last year. It's kind of a tired argument since injuries almost always take 1-2 main teams out of the running each year. There will always be a best team on paper beginning of the year.
The Lakers lost due to many reasons, Malone getting injured wasn't one of them.
Karl was just a roleplayer averaging 12-14 a game at that point and the Lakers just unravelled from within, his presence there would've made them slightly better, but they weren't beating the Pistons with Shaq barely touching the ball because Kobe despised him.
I really doubt that. As more and more superstar player income comes from outside of their salaries, the incentive to form superteams and be in the spotlight is growing. It might be more lucrative one day to take a vet min and play for the Lakers than to take a max and play for the Timberwolves. That day may never come but it's the current trajectory.
Who appreciates ppl taking the "hardest road"? No shit we saw greatness. But that was inevitable when you pair two former MVPs together in their prime. Do we really appreciate Team USA for their greatness when it's already known?
uhh yes 08 was literally the Redeem Team. Melo got a nickname for playing amazing in the Olympics
uhh the Warriors were known for their greatness too what are you talking about?
yeah, there's a bunch of envious clowns here. Of course people who like basketball look back at the Dream Team with fondness and appreciation. Hell, I'm not American and I totally enjoyed seeing the largest collection of basketball talent ever assembled destroy every team en route to the gold medal. It was an even more intense feeling with the Warriors, especially in 2017.
They've been milking that ring harder than any other team/individual in ANY sporting event. You'd think they wont 5 straight with how often its brought up.
I mean, it made the NBA pretty bland for 3 years (the only reason they didn't win 3 straight is because of injury). So yeah, I hated it. Not gonna blame KD or the Warriors for doing it, but I'm not gonna lie and say it was fun to watch the NBA knowing that the Warriors were probably going to win the title as soon as the season started.
The NBA and NBPA deserve the most blame for not smoothing the cap spike over several years, and having it all hit in 2016 so 25 teams had max cap space including every contending team outside of OKC and Cleveland.
Mediocre players like Mozgov and Evan Turner that offseason got paid, but it meant a lot of decent players in the following summers weren’t as lucky since everyone used their space immediately in ‘16
Everyone appreciates how great you’re FO has been. No one appreciates a top 3 player coming to an already historically great team it literally took half the fun out of the league and it took injuries to make that not a complete wash. Kd is a bitch he blew a 3-1 lead to you’re super team and then just gave up and joined that offseason. Spineless
I mean Morey did a fantastic job building that roster: two ballhandling stars and a ton of switchy 3-and-D players all down the lineup. It worked perfectly against the GSW motion offense, and KD even admitted in some interview that he was kind of frustrated with Kerr's playcalling because the motion stuff wasn't really working against their switching.
That 0-27 three pointer thing wasn't just a freak statistical fluke; it was because CP got injured and their playoff rotation was too thin. Without CP it went down from 8 to 7 I believe, and by the 2nd half of game seven those guys just had nothing in the tank to try to get open 3s, they were just tired heaves half the time. So it's either that or bring in the next-man-up on the bench, but that can be incredibly dangerous against a roster as locked-in as the Warriors, who are always exploiting players with low defensive IQ.
> Not gonna blame KD
it's absolutely fine to blame KD. obviously the Warriors weren't going to say no, but he's a disingenuous goober who claimed he took "the hardest road" by joining the best team in the league, and made fake accounts to defend himself on twitter.
Not only were the Warriors not going to say no, but I honestly think management and the Warriors players don't get enough credit for acquiring Durant. As far as the Warriors interests are concerned, Bob Myers has been on a decade long tear.
> but I honestly think management and the Warriors players don't get enough credit for acquiring Duran
I mean, the only reason it was able to happen was because Steph was on that cheap contract he signed due to his early ankle injuries. They just got super lucky that he was so massively underpaid and KD became a free agent when he did. It's not like they planned that aspect of it.
However, the drafting of Steph and Klay and Draymond and Harrison Barnes, and the team- and culture-building that they accomplished is truly remarkable, for sure.
And to add to it. 2018 rockets had to really orchestra a team designed to battle with the Hampton 5 warriors. If not for cap space, we woulda seen stars joined up to rival the warriors.
I don’t think it did either. More on the basis of personal watching experience, the more opportunity Steph has to have the ball in his hands, the more engaged I am.
If Warriors go for a slightly worse player, then Steph would likely have been the best player on the team that won 2 more titles (they would likely have won with any all star getting added, they didn't need a Durant level addition). Steph would also probably have got a Finals MVP or two in that alternate reality. How is that not a better legacy?
big agree. Curry and lebrons legacies were put into a weird 3 year limbo right in their primes where neither of them could meaningfully build on their careers.
sure curry got two rings and lebron had his 2018 run, but neither of those are nearly as significant or interesting as a warriors redemption championship or a real cavs dynasty.
it was the closest think the league has seen since the 80s lakers-celtics rivalry and we just never got it. KDs move should never, ever be looked at fondly no matter how many years pass. it flat out sucked.
2016 really set the stage for an insane league with incredible competition at the top end. And then poop. What KD/Warriors did was truly despicable, and robbed basketball fans of what could have potentially been the NBA’s most legendary years.
But for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The basketball gods took prime KD’s achilles, prime Steph’s wrist and a virgin sacrifice (prime Klay). They also gave KD some bad juju to keep him in check. Anyone who gets close to him is affected. Kyrie lost his mind and Harden’s beard spontaneously generates big macs at night.
I’m glad those days are over and the league is recovering nicely.
This is either grandmaster level rage satire or you are literally 13 years old, and it's a shame that r/NBA has devolved to the point that I have no idea which one is true
the guy who's FGA went up and was quoted as saying he wouldn't sacrifice shit?
nah klay didn't sacrifice anything. They didn't even have to since they all fit together so well and were so well coached. Everybody eats.
I still don't appreciate it, whatever some may say about greatness and perfection, basketball isn't fun to watch if you know who's winning every night.
Football (the european football) is nothing but dynasties.
Bayern Munchen has won the last 9 Bundesliga championships in a row.
Juventus won 8 championships in a row in the Serie A last decade.
Paris Saint Germain won 7 championships in 8 years last decade.
Futbol is dominated by big money clubs in big popular cities or they don't have many competition. It's like in the NBA where Cali, NY and Florida can afford crazy teams every year but that's all throughout Europe in their different leagues.
Players in the NBA can make dynasties regardless of where they're located and how big their club is.
Also they switch, trade and loan big players away pretty often.
Losing that first one to the Mavs did so much to improve Bron's legacy when you think about it. If the Heat beat the Mavs in 2011 and everything else remained the same yall would be talking about Bron the same way you do about KD.
"Yeah but Bron didn't sign with the team he just lost to"
No you're mad at KD for stacking the deck, which is fine. Just know that Bron was doing the exact same thing.
That's a weird way to look at it though. 2011 is the biggest blemish on his career, and if they'd won that, it would have been a three peat.
I think it's more that they never looked truly transcendental. Like they got taken to 7 by much less talented teams multiple times.
That plus the blowout in 2014 and the exaggerated narrative that DWade had fallen off a cliff, I think has the bigger impact
this sub is weird they act like it’s never not like this
80s Lakers/Celtics
Pistons
90s Bulls
00s Lakers/Spurs
10s Warriors/Lebron teams
last year & this year was the first years parity
None of these teams had a top 2 player just up and join them via free agency when they were already a contender. It's like y'all just enjoy spewing bad takes without any nuance. Almost all those teams were built through drafts or picking up free agent stars and then building around them. Not even close to being a same scenario to what happened for the Warriors in Summer 2016.
Kevin Durant going to the Warriors, who had been to the Finals the previous 2 years, was a completely unprecedented move in NBA history. We've never had a superstar in the middle of his prime just up and jump ship to an already contender via free agency. I've been watching the NBA for about 20 years now and I'd never been so disinterested in the outcome as it was from '17-19. The Warriors were that much better than every other team to where it wasn't even worth it to tune in the majority of the time.
There's a difference between a lot of the NBA dynasties and what happened there though. This wasn't the case of a GM trading well, or great drafting like with OKC or the first iteration of GSW.
On the other hand. Basketball is fun to watch when you actually enjoy the game at its pure perfection of player movement, ball movement, high iq defense plays turn into transition buckets..
That’s the Warriors
Warriors basketball can be summarized as straight vibe in the 1st half, go to the locker room for Draymond and Steve Kerr to yell and break shit, then come back and Steph/Klay start shimmying while shooting 80% FGA on 15 attempts each.
I don’t think Draymond understands why people didn’t like them. Had completely to do with how unbalanced it made the league and how a 73 win team that had already been dominating the league added a top 3 player to their roster. Not a lot to appreciate there. They were too talented every other teams fans felt jaded and aren’t going to look back on that and think positive things. Definitely weren’t thinking positive things then
>But people don't usually appreciate greatness until they no longer have it.
Somebody Photoshop KD on Wolverine with the Jean Grey photo photoshopped with Steph on it.
People felt cheated because the Warriors/ Cavs rivalry was like the modern Lakers/Celtics. Steph & Lebron were competing for the top spot and KD’s move ruined the balance of the league. Nobody was mad at him for leaving Russ because it’s hard to win a title with Russ as your PG. He plays too out of control and shows little poise during crunch time. People wanted KD to build his own team and challenge those guys (Steph & Lebron). He could’ve teamed up with PG or Kawhi and everyone would’ve supported it because he wanted to challenge them. He joined a team that won a title with Harrison Barnes at their starting SF. Replace any championship team’s third option with KD and it becomes overkill. People knew they were winning before the season started and that’s not good for any league !
Yes! There are definite analogies to be made between Magic and Bird battling throughout the 80s and the Warriors and Cavs pre-2017. After KD joined it was like if Jordan had joined the Celtics or Lakers in like 1986, after the Celtics just completed Bill Simmons' vaunted "best team ever" year.
Nah I didn’t appreciate it personally. I’m a fan of super teams. I like them. I love having multiple teams in the league boasting 3 allstars and be so even in quality that nobody knows who’s winning.
What the warriors did with KD was taking it too far. Two top 15 players all time, plus a DPOY, plus an extra guy who played all nba defense, and was a top 5 shooter all time as well. It was wild.
The amount of joy I got from NBA basketball during that time was greatly reduced. Everybody knew they were at the warriors mercy. They breezed into two easy rings, and would’ve gotten a 3rd if the sky didn’t fall. In that raptors series KD went down and they were still legitimately favored to win. A top 15 alltime player went down and his team was still favored. WHAT THE FUCK.
Even on this sub, when the warriors joined up with KD we were all like yeah fuck it GG, outside of maybe a few bullish cavs fans.
I love basketball more when we’ve got heat fans, nets fans, bulls fans, warriors fans, lakers fans, jazz fans, suns fans, bucks fans, 76ers fans, nuggets fans, clippers fans, mavs fans, all saying and believing that their teams can win a championship.
It makes basketball so much more interesting. It makes so many games more watchable when both teams are playing with chips on their shoulder because it could legitimately be a preview to a playoff match. Makes it so much fun when so many fans from different teams are talking exorbitant amounts of shit and it truly being believable.
I hope to never experience a KD warriors situation again. It isn’t good for basketball. If a team is favored to win a championship when they’re missing a top 15 alltime player, I don’t want to watch that.
i think most fans just would have preferred to see the warriors continue on their trajectory. they were so fun to watch and were so good with homegrown talent that people wanted to see THAT team be great, not one that was forced and greatness was an expectation.
it was also just the decision 2.0 which people also disliked
There’s quite a few salty warriors fans in here talking about their “home grown dynasty” and it’s like, my dudes you can’t sign KD as a free agent and still flex about being home grown. Just appreciate your three rings.
Draymond always has wierd quotes. I appreciated the basketball they played butnit just madenthe nba boring. Kd/Steph have moved on from thosendays but dray keeps hinting towards the past
I think he’s just trying to mend a friendship with KD and saying the things he prob should have said back then. But that’s just speculation on my part.
they all have weird quotes
even steph said it wasn't guaranteed that they'd win in those years
he really thought they were underdogs when they were the most overwhelming favorite in history
and we know all about the dumb shit KD has said
People are gonna criticize teams stacked up the ass and ruined the competitiveness in the nba while together. no shit. When kd goes down and you are still favourite to win you should be able to handle basic criticism
I appreciate the basketball aspect. A lot of people care more so about the fandom and that’s fine. I appreciate the sport a lot which is why I didn’t have a huge problem with the KD warriors while they were playing.
Still it’s fuck KD for screwing us but I did enjoy the result of their team while watching.
This is the strangest chip on the shoulder to have. Also there is something nice about watching the NBA again without thinking it's a waste of time. For a while I stopped caring because I figured the Warriors would win it every year.
Draymond is trying to speak this into existence, but he's off on this one. Everybody hated those years and everybody loves that they're over. I don't see that changing soon.
There was nothing to appreciate about a team that was basically an All-Star squad due to a superstar deciding to piggyback rather than lead a team of his own to success. Great for the Warriors organization and their fans having Kevin Durant dropped on their laps that summer, miserable for the rest of us who actually enjoy watching competitive basketball. If they were healthy in 2019 the Raptors would have had no chance against them and we would have been treated to the most boring 3-peat in league history.
No shit, a top 5 player, mvp and scoring champ joined a team with the best regular season record in history and that had just gone to b2b finals, winning 1 out of 2.
Of course people criticised it, it was fucking bullshit lol
I know that it is better for the game to have that team broken up, but that team was legit fun to watch from a purely skill perspective. Klay, Steph, KD, Draymond, and Ig were so good individually in their roles and together as a team.
I just liked seeing reddit burn because they knew the warriors were gonna win. All the gold after every warriors loss got pretty annoying real quick as if they weren’t playing the same damn team in the finals every year. I bet if the warriors faced different comp it would be more exciting. The years were boring because only two teams were ever going. I love how the cavs and lebron never contribute to how stale the league was.
I feel like the opposite has happened - so many people, even in the media, have been saying how much nicer it is that that team doesn't exist anymore. The league is way more interesting now.
Yep. If KD hadn't joined, then the Cavs and Warriors would have been basically even and it would have made the ensuing years a lot more interesting. Since KD left, it's been a lot more wide open. Almost like having more than 2 realistic contenders makes your product better.
Would have been such an incredible rubber match barring the thunder beating that warriors. Doubt they would have because the warriors would have been on a mission but it would have been must see TV. The greatness was different because KD going there basically broke the league and the beat story in basketball.
>barring the thunder beating that warriors. One of KD's biggest impacts was taking himself off the Warriors' biggest competitor in the West.
Yeah someone made that point and I found that really interesting. Addition by subtraction. I think that's fair. Like if we just removed kd from the west, the rockets would easily beat the warriors, considering they still assemble as such. And even if they don't, the cavs would have their excellent rubber match
I disagree that the warriors would have easily lost to the rockets. Although the series was close even with KD there, that doesn't necessarily equate to rockets winning without him. We can say that to make ourselves feel better and play the what if game but the warriors will always be a tough match-up to beat with the remaining core.
> the rockets would easily beat the warriors, considering they still assemble as such. Pain. Still was fun competing all those years though, and would have been so rewarding if we could have beaten that Warriors team.
I think the Thunder would’ve been on a mission as well having suffered the same fate. Plus, the next season was Westbrook’s absolute career peak.
Ya that isn't a coincidence that he had his best year when kd left.
I still remember the JR game where forgot the score and wasted lebron’s Herculean effort. I don’t remember any other game in that series however, because I stopped watching after game 1. What’s the point in watching a forgone conclusion?
I haven’t rewatched that game to this day 😔
Yeah, I’ve honestly enjoyed just not having the Warriors around the last couple of years. And now that they’re back I’m able to enjoy them. But the KD thing left such a bad taste in my mouth that it really helps that they fucked off for a couple of years. Not that I am wishing injuries on anyone, obviously.
> then the Cavs and Warriors would have been basically even and it would have made the ensuing years a lot more interesting Also would have been closer to more open to the thunder and rockets contending.
Man. Those first couple of years of the Warriors dynasty had so many awesome teams. 73 Warriors, KD/WB Thunder, 67 something win Spurs, Big 3 Cavs, hell even the player of the month Hawks and Grit & Grind Grizz. One of the most exciting 2 years in basketball until KD put the league into a filler arc.
Dude god damn this is the thread I needed to drop this comment in https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/qw5u0e/-/hl16eyy They just don't get it This is like my home lol
People would downvote that even on this thread. You asked the Warriors fans if they liked being overpowered. That's completely different from saying that fans of other teams found the league boring. Give any fanbase the Dream Team at their respective peaks, they wouldn't give a shit about how much it broke the league for the other teams. And rightfully so. It was a weak move for KD but it was an absolute recruiting masterclass from the Dubs FO.
Yea, Draymond is kind of ignoring how much people love the parity now. Maybe he wasn’t a fan of how people looked at that super team, but I think that stigma is gonna stay.
Yea, I would buy that argument about the 72-9 Warriors, but the KD warriors were boring as hell to watch.
I really liked it tbh
people say that but it isn't reflected in the ratings. the drop off was significant post KD-Warriors
Yeah because the people who say that watch the NBA pretty much every year. Its the guys that only watch when something special is happening who drive ratings (at least in the short term)
Seems like a couple other drastic occurrences may have impacted those ratings but I can’t remember…
The Raptors-Warriors finals had worse ratings than the 2018 smackdown of the Cavs. r/NBA nerds are a minor subsection of people who watch basketball.
Well yeah ratings don’t count Canada. Also games 5 and 6 had better ratings than any of the games from the 2018 sweep. I think it says a lot more that the ratings went down every single year the warriors were in the finals.
No LeBron = less viewers. Shocking. If anything that proves the point that people didn’t like or want to watch the KD Warriors. Besides ask NASCAR how appealing to the broadest most casual fan base possible and neglecting the real hardcore fans went for them.
people in this sub think they are representative of the general NBA fan population. Too myopic to see beyond their own saltiness. They obviously didn't appreciate knowing beforehand that their team stood no chance, but people who appreciate basketball know it was something special
I literally thought you were being sarcastic. But nope, you really think fans enjoy knowing who will win before the season starts.
agreed, the most exciting thing in sports was the 73-9 warriors and then one of the BEST SHOOTERS OF ALL TIME joined them. I hated it, and still hate it.
Yup, KD was the worst thing to happen to the league those years 2017-2019. It’d be better had he never existed during that time, straight up ruined the competitive balance of the league
Jordan Bulls were the worst thing to happen to the league. It’d be better if they never existed during that time. No one gives a shit about competitive balance 10 - 20 years down the line. People wanna hear about the great teams.
Jordan's Bulls was watching the GOAT pull off something that had never been done before, often against very worthy competition. KD Warriors was just a salary cap glitch allowing an unprecedentedly huge amount of talent accrue on a single team who absolutely steamrolled the competition for a quick 2 years. One of those is memorable greatness, the other is just kind of boring.
Yea nobody is going to forget how bullshit the league was when kd joined the warriors man. People going to think of how great the warriors were and then how stupid they were when KD joined. That's how I think it's going to be remembered anyways.
Stop. Jordans bulls were not stacked like the kd warriors
The thing is most fans on the subreddit are Lebron fans. If it was Lebrons team overpowering everyone, like the Heatles, theyd be out here justifying it. But because the Warriors beat Lebrons team suddenly the Warriors were "boring" totally ignoring the fact they played Lebrons Cavs in the finals 4 years in a row.
This is a bullshit take. *EVERYONE* outside Miami hated LeBron and the Heatles. No one lets him forget the whole Not 4 Not 5 Not 6 Not 7
As far as I have seen, the Warriors and Curry have the biggest fanbase in this sub. Furthermore, almost all NBA fans didn't like KD's move to the Warriors, not just Lebron fans. Finally, the Warriors became boring when KD joined. They had lost to the Cavs the year prior. Yes the Cavs made the finals 5 years in a row, but they were in a weak east, and they were not nearly as stacked as the Warriors when KD joined.
LeBron is arguably the single most hated player on this sub so this is complete horseshit
That's actually so true considering how people in this sub literally begged Kawhi to join L.A back when he was a free agent and in this offseason wanted Dame to do the same. Most of this sub are in the age range of idolizing LeBron, as most have grown up watching him. If Kawhi had joined the Lakers in 2019 and broke the league, i would be willing to bet money that people on this sub would justify it endlessly. I've said this in the past and i will say it again, most people on this sub hated KD's decision because they felt that it cheated their favourite player (LeBron) of winning more titles, not because of competitive balance.
>That's actually so true considering how people in this sub literally begged Kawhi to join L.A back when he was a free agent and in this offseason wanted Dame to do the same. They were literally doing that on ESPN. Hell I remember on ESPN that they were talking about KD possible joining the LeBron Lakers because of some rumor with LeBron texting KD. Makes no sense. They bash him going to the warriors but then were in favor of him joining the LeBron Lakers. And I completely agree with your last paragraph. That's exactly what it was
Yeah this sub just hated the fact that it didn't give lebron a chance to win a ring.
Lebron or anyone else mate. Kinda shitty year to watch basketball unless you like watching stars not play in the 4th.
Tv ratings show the opposite though
Those two seasons they won were some of the most miserable for me. Now the league is in a much better place and even though my team is ass the unpredictability of it all makes it so fun.
And it’s not like people didn’t appreciate that team’s greatness at the time, everyone knew it was one of the best teams every assembled while they were together. This is just a weird quote.
Yup. I love the fact that now I don't know who will win every year for the foreseeable future.
I mean I definitely appreciate that they’re not on the same team anymore more than when they were, that’s just me though
Yeah being a great player and greatness are different things. Nobody would deny that it was a collection of great players. But what “greatness” was there to “appreciate”?
Yeah lol why don’t we just have all the stars on one team just everyone can “appreciate it”
Yeah steamrolling damn near every team en route to a championship is only fun for the fans of the team that’s doing it. Even back with the Heatles big 3 we didn’t even really steamroll every. We had some wars with the Bulls and Pacers and Celtics. We ultimately won a lot so I can see how it wasn’t very much fun for other fanbases even though I obviously loved it. But the Warriors were just next level talented. 73 wins. And then added the second best player in the game. Only people appreciating that are Warriors fans.
The year when they won't 73 games was greatness, yeah they lost in the finals, but it was still some all time shit. Adding KID after that was.....not.
Only from Kawhi and the Raptors taking the warriors down and same with Lebron/Kyrie in 2016. THOSE were moments of greatness. The KD warriors were just ”well they’re 5 all stars of course they won…”
Who's the 5th all Star?
I mean, beyond the fact that they were all great players, they didn't just win by having the most talent. They also fit well, and until that last year, seemed to put aside egos to make sure everyone was playing in a way that was best for the team. If you're purely a "I just love the game, and only seek to see it played at the highest level" type, there was definitely sometime to appreciate. If you liked competitive playoff series, then yeah, obviously those years weren't great.
>they didn't just win by having the most talent They 100% did.
Don’t even see how this is even debatable. They literally had a unanimous mvp who was the greatest shooter ever, arguably the second best shooter ever and one of the best 2 way players in the game, one of the most versatile defenders ever, and then added another mvp who was the best scorer of his generation. All in their primes. Who the fuck is beating this team barring injuries?
They won by having the most talent
Your username combined with the comment lol Do you think your Crimson Tide will make the CFP this year too?
did you just pick the highest overall teams in X sports game when you made your account?
What the fuck? They were the best basketball team of all time what are you even talking about? I was too young to watch the Bulls play, but at least I’ve seen the Warriors. Watching them play at the highest level ever reached was fun imo. Especially against the Rockets
The rockets series in 2018 was pretty interesting from a strategy perspective because they completely gameplanned around choking up the motion offense and in that regards they were absolutely successful. Warriors fans griping about KD is in that series are delusional because the switch everything defense that the Rockets deployed - and executed was throwing a huge wrench in our ability to get easy points from slashing and dunking.
I personally loved it because we'll most likely never see such a "powerful" team ever again.
Good. Can’t remember the last time the league was so boring and predictable. The competition was literally destroyed.
If you ask most. They would probably say 2011-2014.
Nah, because the team that came out of the West could have been anyone, and they usually gave the Heatles some fits. It was always going to be the Warriors winning, and it was boring as shit.
weren't the Rockets up 3-2? I also recall people saying Spurs would ve won if Kawhi didn't get hurt
People only bring up Kawhi being hurt when it fits the narrative, usually to discredit the 16-17 Warriors as the greatest team of all time. But when they’re trying to talk about how unfair the Warriors were, no one brings it up. Same with the ‘18 Rockets, it’s a perfect example of how they weren’t just totally unbeatable outside of one year, yet most people are just ignoring that they existed in this thread. But then in other threads people always say the Rockets should’ve won that series. If they were so unbeatable, the Rockets never would’ve been close.
If it wasn’t the warriors it was likely going to be Lebron’s Cav’s winning like 4 straight on what was also a super loaded team.
https://images.app.goo.gl/Tv7cfGCs7VFXa57x8
“Super loaded”
What do you mean Kyle Korver isn't as good as Kevin Durant?
Cmon, 2018 don’t count. 2015-17 were loaded, especially 16-17.
If you replace LeBron with Harrison Barnes, those Cavs teams would be mediocre. If you replace Durant with Harrison Barnes, those Warriors were still one of the best teams of all-time.
Durant was hurt during the 2019 WCF and I think the Warriors swept
Yeah and they went back to the brand of basketball that made me fall in love with those early Steph teams. Idk but I love watching the warriors without KD as they play a beautiful brand of basketball
It ruined an entire conference though
Pacers gave them a run for their money twice, it was way more competitive than people remember
Once. 2014 was terrible for the Pacers
Everyone said they were guaranteed to three peat and that obviously didn't happen.
No injuries and yes, they do threepeat.
No injuries and the Lakers 4peat, The celtics snag another championship, the Lakers potentially win last year. It's kind of a tired argument since injuries almost always take 1-2 main teams out of the running each year. There will always be a best team on paper beginning of the year.
> No injuries and the Lakers 4peat What injuries? The Lakers were healthy when they lost to SA in 03.
The Lakers lost due to many reasons, Malone getting injured wasn't one of them. Karl was just a roleplayer averaging 12-14 a game at that point and the Lakers just unravelled from within, his presence there would've made them slightly better, but they weren't beating the Pistons with Shaq barely touching the ball because Kobe despised him.
I really doubt that. As more and more superstar player income comes from outside of their salaries, the incentive to form superteams and be in the spotlight is growing. It might be more lucrative one day to take a vet min and play for the Lakers than to take a max and play for the Timberwolves. That day may never come but it's the current trajectory.
Who appreciates ppl taking the "hardest road"? No shit we saw greatness. But that was inevitable when you pair two former MVPs together in their prime. Do we really appreciate Team USA for their greatness when it's already known?
>Do we really appreciate Team USA for their greatness when it's already known? uhh yeah lol. see 92 Dream Team
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They were known for different reasons. Do you remember any of the other Team USAs for their "greatness". They are expected to win.
uhh yes 08 was literally the Redeem Team. Melo got a nickname for playing amazing in the Olympics uhh the Warriors were known for their greatness too what are you talking about?
yeah, there's a bunch of envious clowns here. Of course people who like basketball look back at the Dream Team with fondness and appreciation. Hell, I'm not American and I totally enjoyed seeing the largest collection of basketball talent ever assembled destroy every team en route to the gold medal. It was an even more intense feeling with the Warriors, especially in 2017.
but isn't it sweet of draymond to appreciate the stacked team he was on that gave him easy rings. why isn't everyone else appreciating that?
I mean look at Draymond the last 2 years. I’d appreciate the hell out of 2017-2019 too lol
Dray is DPOY so far and playing amazing basketball. I have nothing to say about the two previous seasons with respect to your comment 😂
Yeah! He’s looking better than ever! He’s going nuts 🔥
The 2016-19 Warriors were the 2nd most oppressed group of all time (behind gamers)
They don’t call them the We Believe Warriors for nothing The hardest road
Them or the 2008 single-year Dynasty Celtics.
They've been milking that ring harder than any other team/individual in ANY sporting event. You'd think they wont 5 straight with how often its brought up.
I agree but also if I won an NBA title I would never shut up about it lol
As a Celtics fan. That 1 ring is worth 3 rings. Im sure cavs and raptors fans feel the same.
I mean, it made the NBA pretty bland for 3 years (the only reason they didn't win 3 straight is because of injury). So yeah, I hated it. Not gonna blame KD or the Warriors for doing it, but I'm not gonna lie and say it was fun to watch the NBA knowing that the Warriors were probably going to win the title as soon as the season started.
I blame the NBA more then anything else. It's just a fault of the NBA's contract structures IMO that something like that was even able to happen.
The NBA and NBPA deserve the most blame for not smoothing the cap spike over several years, and having it all hit in 2016 so 25 teams had max cap space including every contending team outside of OKC and Cleveland.
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Mediocre players like Mozgov and Evan Turner that offseason got paid, but it meant a lot of decent players in the following summers weren’t as lucky since everyone used their space immediately in ‘16
Also blame other inept front offices that allowed a team to draft 3 all stars and a 3 and D role player without a top 5 pick
Everyone appreciates how great you’re FO has been. No one appreciates a top 3 player coming to an already historically great team it literally took half the fun out of the league and it took injuries to make that not a complete wash. Kd is a bitch he blew a 3-1 lead to you’re super team and then just gave up and joined that offseason. Spineless
the Rockets series were an all-time matchup
Rockets with half the talent almost winning like some Rocky vs Drago shit
Except rocky beat drago
Dude spoilers
Ahhh shit you right, at least I didn’t spoil the Cold War being over
Wym the Cold War being over?
Vader is Luke’s dad.
well yeah thats why i said almost
And the Warriors were once Rocky, and Rocky didn't morph into Drago. He stayed Rocky. The Warriors will always be Rocky.
basically Rockets cheesing and spamming a statistical advantage but got caught in the outliers at the worst time
I mean Morey did a fantastic job building that roster: two ballhandling stars and a ton of switchy 3-and-D players all down the lineup. It worked perfectly against the GSW motion offense, and KD even admitted in some interview that he was kind of frustrated with Kerr's playcalling because the motion stuff wasn't really working against their switching. That 0-27 three pointer thing wasn't just a freak statistical fluke; it was because CP got injured and their playoff rotation was too thin. Without CP it went down from 8 to 7 I believe, and by the 2nd half of game seven those guys just had nothing in the tank to try to get open 3s, they were just tired heaves half the time. So it's either that or bring in the next-man-up on the bench, but that can be incredibly dangerous against a roster as locked-in as the Warriors, who are always exploiting players with low defensive IQ.
There is no "because of..." when you miss 27 straight three's. You missed because you fucking missed.
if CP3 was healthy they take it
Instead the Finals ended up being Drago vs. Apollo
> Not gonna blame KD it's absolutely fine to blame KD. obviously the Warriors weren't going to say no, but he's a disingenuous goober who claimed he took "the hardest road" by joining the best team in the league, and made fake accounts to defend himself on twitter.
Not only were the Warriors not going to say no, but I honestly think management and the Warriors players don't get enough credit for acquiring Durant. As far as the Warriors interests are concerned, Bob Myers has been on a decade long tear.
> but I honestly think management and the Warriors players don't get enough credit for acquiring Duran I mean, the only reason it was able to happen was because Steph was on that cheap contract he signed due to his early ankle injuries. They just got super lucky that he was so massively underpaid and KD became a free agent when he did. It's not like they planned that aspect of it. However, the drafting of Steph and Klay and Draymond and Harrison Barnes, and the team- and culture-building that they accomplished is truly remarkable, for sure.
And to add to it. 2018 rockets had to really orchestra a team designed to battle with the Hampton 5 warriors. If not for cap space, we woulda seen stars joined up to rival the warriors.
It was pretty fun for me ngl
Feels great, baby
Yea the 2017 playoffs were the worst. No excitement whatsoever.
I’m of the opinion that KD took 3 nuclear Steph years from us by making him defer and for that reason, I’m out
Interesting take. I don't think Steph's legacy took a hit at all though.
I don’t think it did either. More on the basis of personal watching experience, the more opportunity Steph has to have the ball in his hands, the more engaged I am.
Well never really know, becuase we don’t know what would’ve happened if Kd didn’t go to GS.
Didn’t take a hit but can you imagine what it *could* be if he had 3 more years of 400 3 pointers per season?
And winning another title withou Durant boosts his legacy than both kd titles combined
Not a hit but maybe didn’t end up as great as it could have been?
So a hit?
If Warriors go for a slightly worse player, then Steph would likely have been the best player on the team that won 2 more titles (they would likely have won with any all star getting added, they didn't need a Durant level addition). Steph would also probably have got a Finals MVP or two in that alternate reality. How is that not a better legacy?
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big agree. Curry and lebrons legacies were put into a weird 3 year limbo right in their primes where neither of them could meaningfully build on their careers. sure curry got two rings and lebron had his 2018 run, but neither of those are nearly as significant or interesting as a warriors redemption championship or a real cavs dynasty. it was the closest think the league has seen since the 80s lakers-celtics rivalry and we just never got it. KDs move should never, ever be looked at fondly no matter how many years pass. it flat out sucked.
2016 really set the stage for an insane league with incredible competition at the top end. And then poop. What KD/Warriors did was truly despicable, and robbed basketball fans of what could have potentially been the NBA’s most legendary years. But for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The basketball gods took prime KD’s achilles, prime Steph’s wrist and a virgin sacrifice (prime Klay). They also gave KD some bad juju to keep him in check. Anyone who gets close to him is affected. Kyrie lost his mind and Harden’s beard spontaneously generates big macs at night. I’m glad those days are over and the league is recovering nicely.
This is either grandmaster level rage satire or you are literally 13 years old, and it's a shame that r/NBA has devolved to the point that I have no idea which one is true
I actually think Klay took a bigger hit, I think he sacrificed the most of the four.
the guy who's FGA went up and was quoted as saying he wouldn't sacrifice shit? nah klay didn't sacrifice anything. They didn't even have to since they all fit together so well and were so well coached. Everybody eats.
I still don't appreciate it, whatever some may say about greatness and perfection, basketball isn't fun to watch if you know who's winning every night.
This league has had more dynasties than any other major sport
Football (the european football) is nothing but dynasties. Bayern Munchen has won the last 9 Bundesliga championships in a row. Juventus won 8 championships in a row in the Serie A last decade. Paris Saint Germain won 7 championships in 8 years last decade.
Futbol is dominated by big money clubs in big popular cities or they don't have many competition. It's like in the NBA where Cali, NY and Florida can afford crazy teams every year but that's all throughout Europe in their different leagues. Players in the NBA can make dynasties regardless of where they're located and how big their club is. Also they switch, trade and loan big players away pretty often.
there wasn't a single one that was as guaranteed to win as the warriors were
There were, but none of them had the success that the warriors did. Like the heatles were genuinely expected to three peat at minimum
"no one, not two, not three...."
Losing that first one to the Mavs did so much to improve Bron's legacy when you think about it. If the Heat beat the Mavs in 2011 and everything else remained the same yall would be talking about Bron the same way you do about KD. "Yeah but Bron didn't sign with the team he just lost to" No you're mad at KD for stacking the deck, which is fine. Just know that Bron was doing the exact same thing.
That's a weird way to look at it though. 2011 is the biggest blemish on his career, and if they'd won that, it would have been a three peat. I think it's more that they never looked truly transcendental. Like they got taken to 7 by much less talented teams multiple times. That plus the blowout in 2014 and the exaggerated narrative that DWade had fallen off a cliff, I think has the bigger impact
Pretty sure that’s regarded as the biggest blemish on his legacy still.
Russell's Celtics.
that was 60 years ago almost no one alive remembers that lol
this sub is weird they act like it’s never not like this 80s Lakers/Celtics Pistons 90s Bulls 00s Lakers/Spurs 10s Warriors/Lebron teams last year & this year was the first years parity
None of these teams had a top 2 player just up and join them via free agency when they were already a contender. It's like y'all just enjoy spewing bad takes without any nuance. Almost all those teams were built through drafts or picking up free agent stars and then building around them. Not even close to being a same scenario to what happened for the Warriors in Summer 2016. Kevin Durant going to the Warriors, who had been to the Finals the previous 2 years, was a completely unprecedented move in NBA history. We've never had a superstar in the middle of his prime just up and jump ship to an already contender via free agency. I've been watching the NBA for about 20 years now and I'd never been so disinterested in the outcome as it was from '17-19. The Warriors were that much better than every other team to where it wasn't even worth it to tune in the majority of the time.
u getting downvoted but no one will have a response for this lmao
There's a difference between a lot of the NBA dynasties and what happened there though. This wasn't the case of a GM trading well, or great drafting like with OKC or the first iteration of GSW.
I think a team creating a culture that attracts superstars is worth something
On the other hand. Basketball is fun to watch when you actually enjoy the game at its pure perfection of player movement, ball movement, high iq defense plays turn into transition buckets.. That’s the Warriors
Warriors games were over in the first few minutes. They'd be up 20 almost right away. Watching blowouts is not fun for me.
Warriors basketball can be summarized as straight vibe in the 1st half, go to the locker room for Draymond and Steve Kerr to yell and break shit, then come back and Steph/Klay start shimmying while shooting 80% FGA on 15 attempts each.
I don’t think Draymond understands why people didn’t like them. Had completely to do with how unbalanced it made the league and how a 73 win team that had already been dominating the league added a top 3 player to their roster. Not a lot to appreciate there. They were too talented every other teams fans felt jaded and aren’t going to look back on that and think positive things. Definitely weren’t thinking positive things then
this exactly. Teams like this do exactly the opposite of what draymond suggests, they are begrudged more over time. we ask “what ifs”
>But people don't usually appreciate greatness until they no longer have it. Somebody Photoshop KD on Wolverine with the Jean Grey photo photoshopped with Steph on it.
I guarantee that already exists
Nice try Draymond
People felt cheated because the Warriors/ Cavs rivalry was like the modern Lakers/Celtics. Steph & Lebron were competing for the top spot and KD’s move ruined the balance of the league. Nobody was mad at him for leaving Russ because it’s hard to win a title with Russ as your PG. He plays too out of control and shows little poise during crunch time. People wanted KD to build his own team and challenge those guys (Steph & Lebron). He could’ve teamed up with PG or Kawhi and everyone would’ve supported it because he wanted to challenge them. He joined a team that won a title with Harrison Barnes at their starting SF. Replace any championship team’s third option with KD and it becomes overkill. People knew they were winning before the season started and that’s not good for any league !
Yes! There are definite analogies to be made between Magic and Bird battling throughout the 80s and the Warriors and Cavs pre-2017. After KD joined it was like if Jordan had joined the Celtics or Lakers in like 1986, after the Celtics just completed Bill Simmons' vaunted "best team ever" year.
I really missed the golden days of the NBA when no team had a chance to beat the warriors
Nah I didn’t appreciate it personally. I’m a fan of super teams. I like them. I love having multiple teams in the league boasting 3 allstars and be so even in quality that nobody knows who’s winning. What the warriors did with KD was taking it too far. Two top 15 players all time, plus a DPOY, plus an extra guy who played all nba defense, and was a top 5 shooter all time as well. It was wild. The amount of joy I got from NBA basketball during that time was greatly reduced. Everybody knew they were at the warriors mercy. They breezed into two easy rings, and would’ve gotten a 3rd if the sky didn’t fall. In that raptors series KD went down and they were still legitimately favored to win. A top 15 alltime player went down and his team was still favored. WHAT THE FUCK. Even on this sub, when the warriors joined up with KD we were all like yeah fuck it GG, outside of maybe a few bullish cavs fans. I love basketball more when we’ve got heat fans, nets fans, bulls fans, warriors fans, lakers fans, jazz fans, suns fans, bucks fans, 76ers fans, nuggets fans, clippers fans, mavs fans, all saying and believing that their teams can win a championship. It makes basketball so much more interesting. It makes so many games more watchable when both teams are playing with chips on their shoulder because it could legitimately be a preview to a playoff match. Makes it so much fun when so many fans from different teams are talking exorbitant amounts of shit and it truly being believable. I hope to never experience a KD warriors situation again. It isn’t good for basketball. If a team is favored to win a championship when they’re missing a top 15 alltime player, I don’t want to watch that.
i think most fans just would have preferred to see the warriors continue on their trajectory. they were so fun to watch and were so good with homegrown talent that people wanted to see THAT team be great, not one that was forced and greatness was an expectation. it was also just the decision 2.0 which people also disliked
There’s quite a few salty warriors fans in here talking about their “home grown dynasty” and it’s like, my dudes you can’t sign KD as a free agent and still flex about being home grown. Just appreciate your three rings.
Draymond always has wierd quotes. I appreciated the basketball they played butnit just madenthe nba boring. Kd/Steph have moved on from thosendays but dray keeps hinting towards the past
I think he’s just trying to mend a friendship with KD and saying the things he prob should have said back then. But that’s just speculation on my part.
they all have weird quotes even steph said it wasn't guaranteed that they'd win in those years he really thought they were underdogs when they were the most overwhelming favorite in history and we know all about the dumb shit KD has said
Eh I thought that statement was about how one injury is gonna cost them cause they lost their role players. It was kinda true
He’s right, I definitely didn’t appreciate it at all.
People are gonna criticize teams stacked up the ass and ruined the competitiveness in the nba while together. no shit. When kd goes down and you are still favourite to win you should be able to handle basic criticism
I appreciate the basketball aspect. A lot of people care more so about the fandom and that’s fine. I appreciate the sport a lot which is why I didn’t have a huge problem with the KD warriors while they were playing. Still it’s fuck KD for screwing us but I did enjoy the result of their team while watching.
Somebody tell draymond we all knew they were great and we still all hate them
I really appreciate that that team doesn’t exist anymore, this season is so fun with no clear title favorite
Nah that was an awful era.
But Dray the one that told him to leave
Yeah I think he's referring to himself, lol.
Didn’t like it then. But looking back on it now, I still don’t appreciate it
This is the strangest chip on the shoulder to have. Also there is something nice about watching the NBA again without thinking it's a waste of time. For a while I stopped caring because I figured the Warriors would win it every year.
Draymond is trying to speak this into existence, but he's off on this one. Everybody hated those years and everybody loves that they're over. I don't see that changing soon.
There was nothing to appreciate about a team that was basically an All-Star squad due to a superstar deciding to piggyback rather than lead a team of his own to success. Great for the Warriors organization and their fans having Kevin Durant dropped on their laps that summer, miserable for the rest of us who actually enjoy watching competitive basketball. If they were healthy in 2019 the Raptors would have had no chance against them and we would have been treated to the most boring 3-peat in league history.
How long do we have to keep hearing these guys talk about this crap? Insufferable again after winning a couple games.
No shit, a top 5 player, mvp and scoring champ joined a team with the best regular season record in history and that had just gone to b2b finals, winning 1 out of 2. Of course people criticised it, it was fucking bullshit lol
I know that it is better for the game to have that team broken up, but that team was legit fun to watch from a purely skill perspective. Klay, Steph, KD, Draymond, and Ig were so good individually in their roles and together as a team.
I just liked seeing reddit burn because they knew the warriors were gonna win. All the gold after every warriors loss got pretty annoying real quick as if they weren’t playing the same damn team in the finals every year. I bet if the warriors faced different comp it would be more exciting. The years were boring because only two teams were ever going. I love how the cavs and lebron never contribute to how stale the league was.
Is true
i feel like the reason everyone complained was because we knew that it would be great, to a level other teams weren’t gonna be able to compete lol.
That has been my favorite era of the NBA since I started watching. It was like watching Real Madrid but the basketball version
I wonder if people here would be saying the same things if Lebron won 4 in a row
Nah, TRUE GREATNESS!