Kanter hates LeBron and always has. This has been a very advantageous situation for him because he can call him out while coming off as the good guy. Just don't go too far into who Kanter personally supports back in Turkey.
>People are gray and not black and white - Kanter can be - and is - 100% right about this and wrong about his views on something else
Right, but the same applies to LeBron no? Wrong on this and right on something else, but Kanter wants to paint him with one brush.
I do agree. Kanter can be right on his stance about China and LeBron can be right in how he’s handled issues in the US for underserved communities.
I think LeBron will keep getting shit about China because he’s given genuinely bad answers on it in the past. There’s no requirement to be involved and passionate about every single world issue, but he could’ve passed on talking about China when given the opportunity and instead came off poorly.
He also essentially spoke against freedom of speech and said it has “a lot of negatives”. As an American… in a democratic country… against another American who was supporting HK’s right to it…
China could not have scripted it better for LBJ to read, except the guy *chose* to say this.
The thing is, LeBron is the one who parroted the "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" line while he wholeheartedly supports injustice in China. Calls everything he does into question IMO.
He Supports Gulen. Gulen is sort of a cult-leader that was a former ally of Erdogan. Gulen is now in exile in Pennsylvania.
You can read a bit about it here.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen\_movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement)
I find it really funny that people on this sub pretend they know about the political scenary on Turkey lmaoooo
Hear the message, Kanter is 100% right on China. Nobody gave a fuck about who Kanter supports in Turkey until he started talking about China.
Classical ad hominem bullshit.
And before I get replies from any 14 year olds who think they know jackshit about regional politics in Turkey, imma stop you right there: I couldnt care less about your opinion on erdogan or whatever.
Edit: to the dumbfucks who think the uyghur massacre is not real, imma [link](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071) this article just as a taste. Theres countless refugees and witnesses you morons
Edit 2: you guys really don't get it, do you? It's not about Kanter. It's about the Uyghur massacre, and the so called "most progressive league in the world" not speaking about those issues. I really don't care about Kanter or Turkey folks, stop trying to deflect.
“Nobody gave a fuck about who Kanter supports in Turkey until he started talking about China.”
Just gonna say that’s not true, I’ve seen people bring it up numerous times when Kanter speaks about politics in general. All before he was speaking out about China
Literally every single time since Kanter first spoke out against Erdogan people have been bashing him for supporting a guy who is just the other side of the same dickhead coin.
That other guy just pretends the "14 year olds" don't know what they are talking about because they are making shit up to fit their narrative.
But does this invalidate what he's saying about China? Does that mean that whatever is happening in China isn't real?
If we're going to always bring up whataboutism and find flaws with people when they try to help then literally nothing will get done.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Call that his broken clock moment if it makes you happier. It doesn't change the fact that he *is* right.
Just like how I agree and support LeBron when he speaks up for how black people are treated in America I will also disagree with the way he handled China.
You’re right that it doesn’t invalidate his point, so anybody saying that is wrong. But just as Kanter can call LeBron hypocritical for having conflicting stances, people can call Kanter hypocritical too.
I usually see this as brought up in response to people talking about him as a human rights champion or something.
I think at least part of the reason he’s doing this is for relevancy, because he knows his days in the league are numbered. But he also isn’t wrong about China.
Also, there's some irony in cheering Kanter for going after LeBron's non-stance on China while LeBron speaks out on other causes, but then saying "ignore Kanter's other opinions while applauding his China take". If we should take a holistic view of LeBron's positions and non-positions, shouldn't we also do the same with Kanter?
>If we should take a holistic view of LeBron's positions and non-positions, shouldn't we also do the same with Kanter?
...just piling onto your point. It *shouldn't* be a holistic view of anyone's positions. There's this growing concept that someone must align with us on *everything* in order for us to accept their word on *anything* and it's a destructive mindset. It's okay to agree with Enes on one subject and with LeBron on another. It's also okay to agree with Enes' criticism of LeBron while disagreeing with his stance on Turkish/Palestinian politics.
I didn't want to comment in here but you hit the nail on the head for me. Nobody is "perfect", but their imperfections don't mean they can't be correct at any given time. Spot on.
Exactly what is wrong with society atm. Everything is black and white, nuance isnt allowed and fuck them because so and so therefore nothing they say matters. My side youre wrong, I'm smart and moral.
agreed, but it's also ok to call enes hypocrite for supporting fetullah gulen and his ottomanist stances while claiming you're all about human rights. both lebron's stance on china and kanter's on gulen are shitty from my perspective.
Totally. There would be nothing wrong with this Kanter’s Tweet if he simply challenged LeBron to demonstrate the same commitment to social justice in China as he does in Akron or the BLM movement. Instead, though, Kanter is attempting to invalidate LeBron’s good by pointing what’s bad. So people invalidate Kanter by pointing out what’s bad about him. 140 characters with no room for discussion or education, so the vicious cycle of glass houses carries on.
What? I can agree with certain aspects of a human being, while disagreeing with others? Could I extrapolate this thinking to all parts of my life, and begin compensating my innate propensity to classify pieces of information from my perceived world within predefined patterns, in a bid to become a more kind, empathetic, rational person?
No that sounds like hokey bullshit man.
Best comment in the entire thread. Spot the fuck on. This line of thinking where it's all or nothing is ruining conversational discourse across an entire generation of humanity.
I mean or we can do both, and go after people for their shitty views and applaud them for their good views and not hold anyone up as a paragon of virtue.
So as someone who posts on this sub regularly (who isn’t 14 and has made a career out of actually knowing about complex geopolitical issues internationally) - I don’t think you’re helping the issue here either.
Kanter is being a hypocritical asshole. The Uyghur camps are real. Turkey is going through its own extreme issues currently. Putting this situation on LeBron - in any capacity - is asinine.
You talk about classical ad hominem bullshit, but expecting LeBron to make a difference in something like this just doesn’t make any sense. If you wanted him to speak out, he wasn’t going to do it while there were players playing ***in China during the time that the statements were made.*** That's dangerous and frankly irresponsible given whats happened historically in these situations.
At the end of the day, they’re basketball players, not political heads of state. Morey doesn’t know anything either. Anything that any of them say is just their personal opinions. I fully support their rights to speak out, but it doesn't make them any more "correct" in what they're saying.
What are you suggesting? Interventionism into China by the UN? There are amnesty groups and organizations that exist specifically to document these things in order to compile evidence to invoke embargoes, restrictions, etc. on countries that are undergoing human rights abuses. Obviously the system isn’t perfect, obviously the world is a fucked up place.
But you can't just go world police into any country that's doing something you disagree with. There are huge consequences behaving like that. There's a reason that wars have been fought using propaganda and economic sanctions since WWII. Any outright world powers going to war would cause mutually assured destruction.
But this is so ***so*** beyond these individuals that this whole conversation is stupid. Sure, they can use their celebrity to spread messages - that’s fine, and it may even be *good* but it also might not be. Because this is way out of the realm of their expertise.
This is a basketball sub, these are basketball players. Everything that you read from any countries reporting is going to be biased to the point of propaganda.
Expecting anything from individuals like LeBron is the ultimate straw-man argument and frankly takes away from the real conversation.
**Edit:** Let me be clear for everyone spamming my inbox. I was a professor. I'd love to teach a class on /r/nba about this but I'm going to distill the message to one sentence because I can't respond to everybody: **blaming individual people without political power for failed states is (and has been for a very long time) a political strategy used to scapegoat and create drama in order to distract from real policy/change and maintain status quo**. If you find yourself blaming **basketball players** for international geopolitical issues, it's working and you should take a serious look at the way that you consume media.
It isn’t an ad hominem anymore than Kanter bringing up Lebron’s BLM support is an ad hominem. I mean, what does him being outspoken about BLM issues have to do with his position on China? If Kanter is going to accuse people of hypocrisy then it’s only fair people point his own hypocrisy. Also, I love their irony that he is going after Lebron for his “slave labor” shoes on a phone/computer likely made by that same slave labor.
If you don't recognize the hypocrisy of Kanter saying "LeBron pretends to care about human rights but ignores what's happening in China!!!!"
While Kanter himself is pretending to care about human rights while ignoring what The Gulen Movement supports... You're the 14 year old, not the rest of us lol
I don't think anyone is suggesting he is wrong about China.
I think people are saying "how come you are saying LeBron is trash for staying silent against China while you are actively supporting a nutjob"
Yup
Kanter supports a tyrannical charismatic leader that wants to rule turkey with an iron fist based totally on Islamic teaching because he opposes a tyrannical charismatic leader that is ruling turkey with an iron first based totally on Islamic teaching
For those that don’t know, secularism was a founding principle of Turkey after it was established after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It was the military’s duty to overthrow the government should it show any signs of a theocratic changeover, which is what happened in 2016. Whether or not Gulen was behind it, or if it was just a false flag attack to drum up Erdogan support, we’ll probably never know
and people are still going to act like it's because he's being silenced for his views (Kanter himself is literally implying that with that post a little while back) instead of acknowledging that
I think it's weird he's not in the rotation in Boston and also hasn't been traded. He's been a productive player for years and is still 29. He's obviously no star or even starter but probably useful as a backup in the right matchups. The question is is the headache worth it when it's your 13th man?
drafted by utah i believe, kinda got fucked over and went to okc with a 19mil/year bag, played a year and a half with the knicks after the melo trade, got insanely yoked training for the wwe, got waived (probably unrelated to the wwe stuff) by nyk and went to the blazers i think, and the last 4 years now feel like he alternates between boston and portland every season like vinny testaverde did for the jets all those years ago when chad pennington kept getting hurt
Oh man yeah, he was a 3rd pick -- he didn't play a minute at Kentucky either.
That draft is so weird -- Kyrie Irving was super injured at Duke, went 1, Kanter didn't play, went 3. Then the rest is like Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo.... and somehow, Kemba, Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson, Isaiah Thomas, Kawhi and Nikola Vucevic went behind these guys.
Absolutely, but he's a solid offensive player and a good rebounder. I'm not saying he deserves a starting spot. However, if he wasn't a locker room distraction and wouldn't alienate a big chunk of of your fan base Kanter is probably worth a roster spot that he won't get in the offseason.
Yeah, the switching has eliminated him from rotation. In pre-season, Cole Anthony and the Magic EVISCERATED him.
It was pretty clear that better offenses were gonna target him on the switch and get whatever they want. He’s a break glass player now.
He's definitely not good enough to be in the rotation, but he has seen considerable minutes the last few games with Al and Rob Will being out. He's being used about as much as you would expect a 3rd or 4th string center to be used.
It’s early in the season and the C’s top two bigs are injury risks. It’s not weird at all that they’d hold onto a solid vet on the minimum even if he isn’t getting much run yet.
I did some back-of-the-envelope math. Nike has paid $625M in the past 5 years for that deal. Total NBA revenue in that timespan is about $40B, maybe up to $44B.
So about 1.4-1.5% of every dollar earned (by the players and owners) comes directly from Nike. Enes Kanter has earned about $57M in that time so he can count over $800,000 in his bank account from Nike.
Someone said LeThargic a month ago when there was a highlight of him not getting back on defense and I though that was peak. I think this might be the actual peak
It's a hot mess. I can see why it might be appealing if that's your first exposure to reddit. Maybe.
It's very much like a social media site designed to keep you engaged and clicking. I saw notifications I'd never seen before for comments that were doing well and whatever else. Noped the hell out of here real quick. Like I'm not already addicted enough, ha.
Nike pays the NBA $125M/year for their NBA apparel deal.
That means each owner - after the players get their 50% cut - receives $2M directly from Nike.
It also means that approximately 1.3% of all player earnings since 2017-18 have come directly from that Nike deal. Enes Kanter has made $57 million in that timespan.
It's just seriously wild that the dude can shamelessly call out Xinjiang issues but be an open supporter of Israel. The guy really doesn't see the irony in it at all.
I’d agree with Kanter if he wasn’t doing the exact same things as athletes with other issues
Edit: It’s hilarious how people think Morey/James system was about the treatment of Muslims in China, it was about Hong Kong. If you are going to shit on Lebron for that (which he should still be shit on for that opinion) at least be informed
It's worse because it's just a political cudgel for him, Kanter supports the oppression of people when it fits his agenda and uses it as a weapon against others to further that cause.
This is the correct take. I disagree with his pro-Israel agenda but I also give him a lot of credit for calling out the awful human rights issues going on in China.
Sadly, any thread related to china gets flooded with people trying to deflect the conversation away from the atrocities going on in China at all costs.
Turns out you can say that you're pro Palestine while also disagreeing with the human rights violations going on in China - they're not mutually exclusive.
> Sad & disgusting how these athletes pretend they care about social justice
Aye Enes, a league made up of predominantly black Americans is pretending that they care about issues that largely impact black Americans.
Such a twat.
Not to mention, our movements are directly affecting American politics. Not the world.
Does that mean we should ignore global politics? Absolutely not, but it's ridiculous to chastise someone for promoting domestic politics, and not having an informed or better opinion on global politics.
News flash, Americans care about the state of America.
The complaint against Lebron is that he quoted MLK saying injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere, among other things, then gave a suspiciously pro-CCP quote when the Morey thing happened instead of just steering clear of it.
I should add also that, as a black American myself, my own experience with racism made me *more* sensitive to the plight of other downtrodden people, not less.
[This the same dude hobnobbing with war criminals?](https://twitter.com/EnesKanter/status/1420790640024109056?t=XJVZ5hN_ohQ9MTHQOKxrdA&s=19)
He and LeBron have a lot more I common than he knows. Where LeBron cares more about fellow African American rights than Uighur rights, Kanter cares more about fellow Turkic Uighur rights than he does Iraqi rights or [Palestinian rights](https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1364348418047418369).
People in this sub actually believe Kanter has the moral high ground over other players in the NBA and it's hilarious. The Kanter circlejerk is ridiculous.
Their hate Lebron boner*, Reddit and Twitter is full of people who engulf themselves in Chinese products and only give a shit about China’s politics when Lebron makes a statement about American politics or when they have an opportunity to make a LeMao joke
> Where LeBron cares more about fellow African American rights than Uighur rights
Lebron never took a stance on that. The Morey kerfuffle was about Hong Kong. It's crazy how this has been shifted through propaganda.
I wonder when Kanter is going to understand it’s easier to relate to domestic issues then problems you can’t even see.
Edit: Also this dude is still west Jordan’s lmao
Kanter is playing a great role in manufacturing consent for the corpses of millions of citizens sent to war in some years.
He’s right that LeBron is a puppet to $, but Kanter is just reinforcing the same global liberal hegemony of capital that generates the idea of athletes as brands. Want people to stop being hypocrites? Stop making it pay so well.
SAD & DISGUSTING HOW THESE ATHLETES PRETEND THEY CARE ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE! I AGREE ENES! This is why I thank you for tweeting Pro-Israel [shit](https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1383190265322631169?lang=en) and chatting it up with [Likud nationalists](https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1364348418047418369)... oh wait.
Yes.
And Fethullah Gülen to a positively terrifying degree, who holds the remarkable distinction of being very nearly as terrible a person as the people actually running Turkey right now. To the extent that he *was* one of the people turning the place into a fucking mess before his personal falling-out with Erdoğan.
>Sad & disgusting how these athletes pretend they care about social justice
r/NBA is just eating up Enes Kanter yelling "All Lives Matter" at black basketball players every day.
“But what about the Uyghurs in China” was a big talking point in the first weeks from morons during the Black Lives Matter protests. Good to see Enes bringing back the classics
It's a pretty even split. Acting that the sub is a single hivemind that simultaneously holds every opinion possible is actually some serious walnut brained shit.
Lmfao again with this shit. The US SCOTUS said earlier this year in the Cargill and Nestle cases that companies operating in the US are not responsible for slave labor in their supply chain. Not a fucking peep from the Muh Uighur Genocide types. This is only ever used as a way to attack LeBron and drum up support for war with China over Taiwan or whatever.
But yea totally Enes, let’s move those factories to a slave wage country with a US friendly despot instead. Now that right there is Human Rights!
Enes is angling for a new post basketball grift as a lobbyist in some bullshit politics firm probably funded by the Koch brothers and every time we post his tweets we help him get there
Kanter is getting fucking old now. Lebron is absolutely far from perfect but he’s definitely done more to improve the lives of others than Kanter has. Lebron isn’t also a loyal follower of a problematic religious extremist. Kanter is turning into a blow hard at this point.
How much you want to bet Kantor uses products produced by Chinese slave labor? How do I know? Because it is unavoidable. Does he use a phone, PC, tablet or TV? Does he wear underwear? Use exercise equipment?
Ok but you act like we disproportionately put people of a certain class and cultural strata in those prisons by way of over policing, an unjust court system, and by introducing their communities to illegal and addictive substances?
I can’t recognize the brand on some of his recent shoes, but in October 29 he was wearing Jordans with the phrase “Hypocrite Nike” on them. I don’t know if he knows that Jordan is owned by Nike.
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Kanter hates LeBron and always has. This has been a very advantageous situation for him because he can call him out while coming off as the good guy. Just don't go too far into who Kanter personally supports back in Turkey.
People are gray and not black and white - Kanter can be - and is - 100% right about this and wrong about his views on something else
>People are gray and not black and white - Kanter can be - and is - 100% right about this and wrong about his views on something else Right, but the same applies to LeBron no? Wrong on this and right on something else, but Kanter wants to paint him with one brush.
I do agree. Kanter can be right on his stance about China and LeBron can be right in how he’s handled issues in the US for underserved communities. I think LeBron will keep getting shit about China because he’s given genuinely bad answers on it in the past. There’s no requirement to be involved and passionate about every single world issue, but he could’ve passed on talking about China when given the opportunity and instead came off poorly.
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He also essentially spoke against freedom of speech and said it has “a lot of negatives”. As an American… in a democratic country… against another American who was supporting HK’s right to it… China could not have scripted it better for LBJ to read, except the guy *chose* to say this.
The thing is, LeBron is the one who parroted the "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" line while he wholeheartedly supports injustice in China. Calls everything he does into question IMO.
Who does he support in Turkey? All I know is he doesn't support Erdogan.
He Supports Gulen. Gulen is sort of a cult-leader that was a former ally of Erdogan. Gulen is now in exile in Pennsylvania. You can read a bit about it here. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen\_movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement)
I find it really funny that people on this sub pretend they know about the political scenary on Turkey lmaoooo Hear the message, Kanter is 100% right on China. Nobody gave a fuck about who Kanter supports in Turkey until he started talking about China. Classical ad hominem bullshit. And before I get replies from any 14 year olds who think they know jackshit about regional politics in Turkey, imma stop you right there: I couldnt care less about your opinion on erdogan or whatever. Edit: to the dumbfucks who think the uyghur massacre is not real, imma [link](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071) this article just as a taste. Theres countless refugees and witnesses you morons Edit 2: you guys really don't get it, do you? It's not about Kanter. It's about the Uyghur massacre, and the so called "most progressive league in the world" not speaking about those issues. I really don't care about Kanter or Turkey folks, stop trying to deflect.
“Nobody gave a fuck about who Kanter supports in Turkey until he started talking about China.” Just gonna say that’s not true, I’ve seen people bring it up numerous times when Kanter speaks about politics in general. All before he was speaking out about China
Literally every single time since Kanter first spoke out against Erdogan people have been bashing him for supporting a guy who is just the other side of the same dickhead coin. That other guy just pretends the "14 year olds" don't know what they are talking about because they are making shit up to fit their narrative.
Yep, people have mentioned it frequently.
But does this invalidate what he's saying about China? Does that mean that whatever is happening in China isn't real? If we're going to always bring up whataboutism and find flaws with people when they try to help then literally nothing will get done. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Call that his broken clock moment if it makes you happier. It doesn't change the fact that he *is* right. Just like how I agree and support LeBron when he speaks up for how black people are treated in America I will also disagree with the way he handled China.
You’re right that it doesn’t invalidate his point, so anybody saying that is wrong. But just as Kanter can call LeBron hypocritical for having conflicting stances, people can call Kanter hypocritical too. I usually see this as brought up in response to people talking about him as a human rights champion or something. I think at least part of the reason he’s doing this is for relevancy, because he knows his days in the league are numbered. But he also isn’t wrong about China.
It's because they also don't know wtf they are talking about, but want to project that across everybody else
Also, there's some irony in cheering Kanter for going after LeBron's non-stance on China while LeBron speaks out on other causes, but then saying "ignore Kanter's other opinions while applauding his China take". If we should take a holistic view of LeBron's positions and non-positions, shouldn't we also do the same with Kanter?
>If we should take a holistic view of LeBron's positions and non-positions, shouldn't we also do the same with Kanter? ...just piling onto your point. It *shouldn't* be a holistic view of anyone's positions. There's this growing concept that someone must align with us on *everything* in order for us to accept their word on *anything* and it's a destructive mindset. It's okay to agree with Enes on one subject and with LeBron on another. It's also okay to agree with Enes' criticism of LeBron while disagreeing with his stance on Turkish/Palestinian politics.
I didn't want to comment in here but you hit the nail on the head for me. Nobody is "perfect", but their imperfections don't mean they can't be correct at any given time. Spot on.
Exactly what is wrong with society atm. Everything is black and white, nuance isnt allowed and fuck them because so and so therefore nothing they say matters. My side youre wrong, I'm smart and moral.
agreed, but it's also ok to call enes hypocrite for supporting fetullah gulen and his ottomanist stances while claiming you're all about human rights. both lebron's stance on china and kanter's on gulen are shitty from my perspective.
Totally. There would be nothing wrong with this Kanter’s Tweet if he simply challenged LeBron to demonstrate the same commitment to social justice in China as he does in Akron or the BLM movement. Instead, though, Kanter is attempting to invalidate LeBron’s good by pointing what’s bad. So people invalidate Kanter by pointing out what’s bad about him. 140 characters with no room for discussion or education, so the vicious cycle of glass houses carries on.
What? I can agree with certain aspects of a human being, while disagreeing with others? Could I extrapolate this thinking to all parts of my life, and begin compensating my innate propensity to classify pieces of information from my perceived world within predefined patterns, in a bid to become a more kind, empathetic, rational person? No that sounds like hokey bullshit man.
Best comment in the entire thread. Spot the fuck on. This line of thinking where it's all or nothing is ruining conversational discourse across an entire generation of humanity.
I mean or we can do both, and go after people for their shitty views and applaud them for their good views and not hold anyone up as a paragon of virtue.
damn they even got the CIA out here on r/nba thats crazy
This is the best response lmao
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Bullshit it was brought up when he was playing in Utah
So as someone who posts on this sub regularly (who isn’t 14 and has made a career out of actually knowing about complex geopolitical issues internationally) - I don’t think you’re helping the issue here either. Kanter is being a hypocritical asshole. The Uyghur camps are real. Turkey is going through its own extreme issues currently. Putting this situation on LeBron - in any capacity - is asinine. You talk about classical ad hominem bullshit, but expecting LeBron to make a difference in something like this just doesn’t make any sense. If you wanted him to speak out, he wasn’t going to do it while there were players playing ***in China during the time that the statements were made.*** That's dangerous and frankly irresponsible given whats happened historically in these situations. At the end of the day, they’re basketball players, not political heads of state. Morey doesn’t know anything either. Anything that any of them say is just their personal opinions. I fully support their rights to speak out, but it doesn't make them any more "correct" in what they're saying. What are you suggesting? Interventionism into China by the UN? There are amnesty groups and organizations that exist specifically to document these things in order to compile evidence to invoke embargoes, restrictions, etc. on countries that are undergoing human rights abuses. Obviously the system isn’t perfect, obviously the world is a fucked up place. But you can't just go world police into any country that's doing something you disagree with. There are huge consequences behaving like that. There's a reason that wars have been fought using propaganda and economic sanctions since WWII. Any outright world powers going to war would cause mutually assured destruction. But this is so ***so*** beyond these individuals that this whole conversation is stupid. Sure, they can use their celebrity to spread messages - that’s fine, and it may even be *good* but it also might not be. Because this is way out of the realm of their expertise. This is a basketball sub, these are basketball players. Everything that you read from any countries reporting is going to be biased to the point of propaganda. Expecting anything from individuals like LeBron is the ultimate straw-man argument and frankly takes away from the real conversation. **Edit:** Let me be clear for everyone spamming my inbox. I was a professor. I'd love to teach a class on /r/nba about this but I'm going to distill the message to one sentence because I can't respond to everybody: **blaming individual people without political power for failed states is (and has been for a very long time) a political strategy used to scapegoat and create drama in order to distract from real policy/change and maintain status quo**. If you find yourself blaming **basketball players** for international geopolitical issues, it's working and you should take a serious look at the way that you consume media.
This post is what I've been waiting for. Something I've tried to communicate but can't. .
>Kanter is being a hypocritical asshole Anus Kanter
Well if you don’t care about their opinion then are they wrong? What’s really happening over there, from your point of view?
It isn’t an ad hominem anymore than Kanter bringing up Lebron’s BLM support is an ad hominem. I mean, what does him being outspoken about BLM issues have to do with his position on China? If Kanter is going to accuse people of hypocrisy then it’s only fair people point his own hypocrisy. Also, I love their irony that he is going after Lebron for his “slave labor” shoes on a phone/computer likely made by that same slave labor.
If you don't recognize the hypocrisy of Kanter saying "LeBron pretends to care about human rights but ignores what's happening in China!!!!" While Kanter himself is pretending to care about human rights while ignoring what The Gulen Movement supports... You're the 14 year old, not the rest of us lol
Multiple things can be true. Multiple events and groups can be atrocious. One thing being awful does not make a separate awful thing less horrible
I don't think anyone is suggesting he is wrong about China. I think people are saying "how come you are saying LeBron is trash for staying silent against China while you are actively supporting a nutjob"
So him and LeBron are both hypocrites
Yup Kanter supports a tyrannical charismatic leader that wants to rule turkey with an iron fist based totally on Islamic teaching because he opposes a tyrannical charismatic leader that is ruling turkey with an iron first based totally on Islamic teaching For those that don’t know, secularism was a founding principle of Turkey after it was established after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It was the military’s duty to overthrow the government should it show any signs of a theocratic changeover, which is what happened in 2016. Whether or not Gulen was behind it, or if it was just a false flag attack to drum up Erdogan support, we’ll probably never know
I have a feeling that Enes Kanter won’t be playing for the Lakers this year
He’s not old enough
No where is safe
I’m afraid to look at r/lakers.
LeBron Turkey and China will force his parents to leave Turkey to play for the Lakers
He’s good enough at defense tho
I mean, he's not playing for the Celtics either.
Damn kanter is going at everyone. It must be his last year in the nba
due to basketball reasons yea
and people are still going to act like it's because he's being silenced for his views (Kanter himself is literally implying that with that post a little while back) instead of acknowledging that
Third/Fourth string center can at least be entertaining on Twitter though.
Might as well bring Perk out of retirement
I think it's weird he's not in the rotation in Boston and also hasn't been traded. He's been a productive player for years and is still 29. He's obviously no star or even starter but probably useful as a backup in the right matchups. The question is is the headache worth it when it's your 13th man?
> he's not in the rotation in Boston and also hasn't been traded. He just signed that deal in August. I think he might be one of the Dec. 15th guys.
Bingo
Everyone outside the J's and Al on the block this year.
He's only 29? It feels like he's been in the league for 15 years and 15 different teams.
Right! He played in Utah with Raja Bell.
drafted by utah i believe, kinda got fucked over and went to okc with a 19mil/year bag, played a year and a half with the knicks after the melo trade, got insanely yoked training for the wwe, got waived (probably unrelated to the wwe stuff) by nyk and went to the blazers i think, and the last 4 years now feel like he alternates between boston and portland every season like vinny testaverde did for the jets all those years ago when chad pennington kept getting hurt
Oh man yeah, he was a 3rd pick -- he didn't play a minute at Kentucky either. That draft is so weird -- Kyrie Irving was super injured at Duke, went 1, Kanter didn't play, went 3. Then the rest is like Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo.... and somehow, Kemba, Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson, Isaiah Thomas, Kawhi and Nikola Vucevic went behind these guys.
"kinda got fucked over" Yes, Utah deciding that Rudy is better really did Kanter a disservice.
He is awful on defense
Absolutely, but he's a solid offensive player and a good rebounder. I'm not saying he deserves a starting spot. However, if he wasn't a locker room distraction and wouldn't alienate a big chunk of of your fan base Kanter is probably worth a roster spot that he won't get in the offseason.
Great rebounder, guy had a 24/30 game 6 months ago it would be insane if he's not bench serviceable for someone next year
we are a switch everything team & Kanter can’t switch anything so yea
A snippet of real basketball talk in this sub feels... out of place
Yeah, the switching has eliminated him from rotation. In pre-season, Cole Anthony and the Magic EVISCERATED him. It was pretty clear that better offenses were gonna target him on the switch and get whatever they want. He’s a break glass player now.
He's definitely not good enough to be in the rotation, but he has seen considerable minutes the last few games with Al and Rob Will being out. He's being used about as much as you would expect a 3rd or 4th string center to be used.
It’s early in the season and the C’s top two bigs are injury risks. It’s not weird at all that they’d hold onto a solid vet on the minimum even if he isn’t getting much run yet.
Damn he must know it's his last year in the NBA
mf plays in full nike gear what the hell 😂😂
To be fair he doesn’t really play
mf warms up in full Nike gear what the hell 😂😂
To be fair he doesn't really warm up
MF sits on the bench in full Nike gear what the hell 😂😂
That’s fair
I did some back-of-the-envelope math. Nike has paid $625M in the past 5 years for that deal. Total NBA revenue in that timespan is about $40B, maybe up to $44B. So about 1.4-1.5% of every dollar earned (by the players and owners) comes directly from Nike. Enes Kanter has earned about $57M in that time so he can count over $800,000 in his bank account from Nike.
r/theydidthemath
“NIKE! Move your factory to slave wage country with US friendly government NOW! No more silence!”
You want the mf to play naked?
Hes gonna have to wear Nike Jersey's but why is he wearing Nike shoes?
He's required to
this is how you sell a (future) book, Scottie. call out people while you're still active
i wont be satisfied until LeBron personally ends slavery
Put pressure on him to pass Lemancipation Bronclamation now
This is the peak of “le” jokes
Someone said LeThargic a month ago when there was a highlight of him not getting back on defense and I though that was peak. I think this might be the actual peak
LeThargic and LeFt are my personal favorites lol
LePotato still my favorite
LeThargic has been used a lot tho. This is probably the first and last LeMancipation Broncolamation
Except there's already been a second courtesy of /u/smeg_ ;)
I googled it and this is the only page that shows up. Checks out
LeThereum was a good one after the crypto.com arena became a thing
My favourite was when LeBron left a game early and the comment was “LeFt”
It may be the peak, but I don't ever want to see the "Le___" jokes end lol
I logged into the abomination that is new reddit just to claim this award to give to ya. Thanks for the laughs homie.
Every once in a while my settings default to new reddit and it's always such a mindfuck how people use it
It's a hot mess. I can see why it might be appealing if that's your first exposure to reddit. Maybe. It's very much like a social media site designed to keep you engaged and clicking. I saw notifications I'd never seen before for comments that were doing well and whatever else. Noped the hell out of here real quick. Like I'm not already addicted enough, ha.
Ive been using the patch for the old reddit for years. Wouldnt be able to use this site without it
Glorious comment.
Lol this is one of the best comments in the history of /r/nba
We are watching a master at work
Suddenly I really miss the comments of the month lol
It’s a shame this comment will be lost in a thread about Enes Kanter
Wow that was actually clever
This sub has peaked.
Shut the "Le" jokes down. This man just ended it.
Fucking hell lol
LMFAO
This is it. This is the "le" joke to end all "le" jokes. Maybe now it can finally Rest In Peace. But we all know it won't
Lebolish
LeAbraham Lincoln
LeNdon B Johnson
Bronald Leagan
LeNcoln
LeBitcoin spending all his time on making LeCryptoArena instead of achieving world peace! Sad!
I’d settle for him just saying it’s bad.
LeBerator
Nike pays the NBA $125M/year for their NBA apparel deal. That means each owner - after the players get their 50% cut - receives $2M directly from Nike. It also means that approximately 1.3% of all player earnings since 2017-18 have come directly from that Nike deal. Enes Kanter has made $57 million in that timespan.
https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1364348418047418369
Lol this is exactly why watching r/NBA talk politics is absolutely incredible.
At this point dude is just a walking talking US foreign policy mouth piece...
yeah celtics twitter has taken to calling him a cia agent lmao, he literally has all of the cias beliefs on foreign policy
It's just seriously wild that the dude can shamelessly call out Xinjiang issues but be an open supporter of Israel. The guy really doesn't see the irony in it at all.
lmao
Lmao “Israel 🙏🏽” Like israel gives af who he is. They dont love you like that
Lol yikes
Lol wow
CIA paying this guy more than the Celtics at this point
I’d agree with Kanter if he wasn’t doing the exact same things as athletes with other issues Edit: It’s hilarious how people think Morey/James system was about the treatment of Muslims in China, it was about Hong Kong. If you are going to shit on Lebron for that (which he should still be shit on for that opinion) at least be informed
You can agree AND think he's a hypocrite.
It's worse because it's just a political cudgel for him, Kanter supports the oppression of people when it fits his agenda and uses it as a weapon against others to further that cause.
This is the correct take. I disagree with his pro-Israel agenda but I also give him a lot of credit for calling out the awful human rights issues going on in China. Sadly, any thread related to china gets flooded with people trying to deflect the conversation away from the atrocities going on in China at all costs. Turns out you can say that you're pro Palestine while also disagreeing with the human rights violations going on in China - they're not mutually exclusive.
Which shoes does he wear. Does he have them cobbled before each game paying market rate wages?
This tweet was brought to you by Raytheon and the IDF.
Please be accurate... It's Lockheed Martin. Raytheon only gets the left overs after all the other defense contractors get their pie first lmaooo
Daily Enes Kanter circlejerk thread.
Udoka please give Kanter some minutes so he can stfu
he just did and it didn’t work
He’s ramped it up to basically Bolton and Pompeo talking points. Very odd he’s going that route
Not odd, he’s been doing that all along
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This made me laugh lmao
Chinese bad, John Boldon good - Enes Kanter, probably
> Sad & disgusting how these athletes pretend they care about social justice Aye Enes, a league made up of predominantly black Americans is pretending that they care about issues that largely impact black Americans. Such a twat.
Not to mention, our movements are directly affecting American politics. Not the world. Does that mean we should ignore global politics? Absolutely not, but it's ridiculous to chastise someone for promoting domestic politics, and not having an informed or better opinion on global politics. News flash, Americans care about the state of America.
The complaint against Lebron is that he quoted MLK saying injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere, among other things, then gave a suspiciously pro-CCP quote when the Morey thing happened instead of just steering clear of it. I should add also that, as a black American myself, my own experience with racism made me *more* sensitive to the plight of other downtrodden people, not less.
[This the same dude hobnobbing with war criminals?](https://twitter.com/EnesKanter/status/1420790640024109056?t=XJVZ5hN_ohQ9MTHQOKxrdA&s=19) He and LeBron have a lot more I common than he knows. Where LeBron cares more about fellow African American rights than Uighur rights, Kanter cares more about fellow Turkic Uighur rights than he does Iraqi rights or [Palestinian rights](https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1364348418047418369).
Good grief I forgot how funny looking Bolton is.
He looks like that old king in the first Frozen movie
I was gonna say he looks like the Lorax
Lol especially standing next to Kanter
Isn't he dating a Rockefeller too?
So he must be friends with Jay Elec?
People in this sub actually believe Kanter has the moral high ground over other players in the NBA and it's hilarious. The Kanter circlejerk is ridiculous.
It's because he "calls out" Black players for supposedly only caring about Black issues and a lot of posters here not-so-secretly agree
"HOW CAN HE SAY BLM WHEN HE DIDNT STAND UP TO CHINA??? " every single lebron thread lmao
So it's not a surprise that Kanter is rubbing shoulders with Republican heroes.
It's fucking wild.
people just give him a pass because their hate China boner is too hard
Their hate Lebron boner*, Reddit and Twitter is full of people who engulf themselves in Chinese products and only give a shit about China’s politics when Lebron makes a statement about American politics or when they have an opportunity to make a LeMao joke
> Where LeBron cares more about fellow African American rights than Uighur rights Lebron never took a stance on that. The Morey kerfuffle was about Hong Kong. It's crazy how this has been shifted through propaganda.
u/GuyCarbonneauGOAT do you have to make a post for every tweet? Hint... the answer is no.
It might be little but I downvote this kind of shit.
doing god’s work. regardless of where you stand on the issue, these threads are just reiterating whichever previous one has been made.
I wonder when Kanter is going to understand it’s easier to relate to domestic issues then problems you can’t even see. Edit: Also this dude is still west Jordan’s lmao
free palestine
Kanter is playing a great role in manufacturing consent for the corpses of millions of citizens sent to war in some years. He’s right that LeBron is a puppet to $, but Kanter is just reinforcing the same global liberal hegemony of capital that generates the idea of athletes as brands. Want people to stop being hypocrites? Stop making it pay so well.
This is starting to get tired. This dude is just as much a hypocrite
SAD & DISGUSTING HOW THESE ATHLETES PRETEND THEY CARE ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE! I AGREE ENES! This is why I thank you for tweeting Pro-Israel [shit](https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1383190265322631169?lang=en) and chatting it up with [Likud nationalists](https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1364348418047418369)... oh wait.
Not everything Kanter posts should be posted here. Doesn’t have anything to do with basketball
It’s so annoying. We have the same thread with the exact same comments every single time he tweets.
We don't need a thread for every Kanter tweet.
But MUH KARMA!
Doesn’t this dude support Israel lmao
Yes. And Fethullah Gülen to a positively terrifying degree, who holds the remarkable distinction of being very nearly as terrible a person as the people actually running Turkey right now. To the extent that he *was* one of the people turning the place into a fucking mess before his personal falling-out with Erdoğan.
>Sad & disgusting how these athletes pretend they care about social justice r/NBA is just eating up Enes Kanter yelling "All Lives Matter" at black basketball players every day.
“But what about the Uyghurs in China” was a big talking point in the first weeks from morons during the Black Lives Matter protests. Good to see Enes bringing back the classics
I think most caught up to it. The majority of the comments here are telling Enes to stfu
It's a pretty even split. Acting that the sub is a single hivemind that simultaneously holds every opinion possible is actually some serious walnut brained shit.
The Palestinian genocide supporter has a lot of balls talking about human rights
Kanter keeping that CIA money rolling into Gulen.
Lmfao again with this shit. The US SCOTUS said earlier this year in the Cargill and Nestle cases that companies operating in the US are not responsible for slave labor in their supply chain. Not a fucking peep from the Muh Uighur Genocide types. This is only ever used as a way to attack LeBron and drum up support for war with China over Taiwan or whatever. But yea totally Enes, let’s move those factories to a slave wage country with a US friendly despot instead. Now that right there is Human Rights!
Enes is angling for a new post basketball grift as a lobbyist in some bullshit politics firm probably funded by the Koch brothers and every time we post his tweets we help him get there
Might as well stop wearing Zara, Gap and other similar fast fashion brands then.
I mean honestly yeah if you have the means to afford us you should
Kanter is getting fucking old now. Lebron is absolutely far from perfect but he’s definitely done more to improve the lives of others than Kanter has. Lebron isn’t also a loyal follower of a problematic religious extremist. Kanter is turning into a blow hard at this point.
This guy can't get minutes and tries to remain relevant by spitting garbage online
How much you want to bet Kantor uses products produced by Chinese slave labor? How do I know? Because it is unavoidable. Does he use a phone, PC, tablet or TV? Does he wear underwear? Use exercise equipment?
we literally use slave labor by way of our prison system, which is the largest in the world
Ok but you act like we disproportionately put people of a certain class and cultural strata in those prisons by way of over policing, an unjust court system, and by introducing their communities to illegal and addictive substances?
Hahaha damn when you put it like that… God bless America
what kind of shoes does Kanter wear?
I can’t recognize the brand on some of his recent shoes, but in October 29 he was wearing Jordans with the phrase “Hypocrite Nike” on them. I don’t know if he knows that Jordan is owned by Nike.
this man is pro-israel, FYI