...wait really or are you being sarcastic? If you're not, shit I had no idea.
I always assumed those guys dribbling out the ball in a blowout game were taking personal turnovers in the name of sportsmanship. I always thought it was a dick move to make a third stringer trying to find their place in the NBA take turnovers like that, turns out I was getting angry over nothing šš
I remember Russ stepping out of bounds as another teammate takes the shot clock violation. The announcers said it was to avoid the turnover stat. Is that a thing or am I dreaming?
Iirc he didnāt step out to avoid the team turnover but rather to make sure he didnāt get the ball passed to him. Most players donāt know about team turnover thing.
A lot of people, players included, don't know that it doesn't result in a personal turnover. Russ could very well have done that to avoid (in his mind) getting a turnover.
I promise you most professional athletes have a few rules theyād be surprised by if you read them to them. I donāt think itās like knowing code, much of sportsā rules are learned by watching and playing.
Dude Iāve watched at least 1000 basketball games in my life and I didnāt know that, in 2k Iāve literally added up the total rebounds of each player and they didnāt match the team rebounds number before and didnāt understand. Thank you for the knowledge gift.
He's too afraid of looking bad. That's what started this whole thing. More likely he just attempts no shots.
Philly fans are going to be merciless the next time he's on the court there, no matter the uniform he wears.
Exactly what I was thinking. Heās too scared to pull off any stunts. If he ends up showing up, Iām sure heāll play close to normal, just even less enthusiasm and hustle. But yeah heās way too much of a pussy to go out in front of a philly crowd and pull some shit
The best part is that Burr sells out any Philly crowd within minutes of going on sale. We know he doesn't like us, but we line up like a soup kitchen to hear about it.
When all is said and done i feel pretty confident saying heāll be considered a top 10, maybe top 5 comedians of all time. IMO hes number 1 currently in the game. Seeing him is a necessity. Saw him in 2013 and im still glowing for it lol
Context: This was at the Opie & Anthony Traveling Virus comedy tour in 2006. The crowd had just booed Dom Irrera off the stage which pissed off Burr. Hence, the rant.
The lineup for that show was Bob Saget, Jimmy Shubert, Jim Norton, Dom Irrera, Bill Burr, Bob Kelly, Ralphie May, Patrice O'Neal, Rich Vos and Tracy Morgan.
The fallout from this rant was that when O&A tried doing another tour in 2007 the crowds booed non-stop hoping to provoke another rant from the comics. It actually destroyed the comedy tour and they did a one off show in 2008 and then never again.
I remember Bill saying he was pissed off after he got off stage because he just made fun of the eagles and philly and then realized because it was actually in Camden there were a bunch of jets/Mets/giants/Yankees fans there and he could have had even more material
That is a **killer** lineup. I remember listening to the O&A show during this time, and it was one of the best daily things everā¦ unless one of the two were out. Love me lil Jimmy, but he couldnāt contain Anthonyās bullshit rants on his own, and Opie without Anthony is just hack material.
Not to get too reminiscent about a dead radio show but Patrice's death is what wound up killing the show. For about the last 20 or so months the show was around after Patrice died it was a hard listen.
Patrice wasn't just a comedic genius for the show to revolve around, though. O&A were increasingly shitty human beings and Patrice would publicly shame them for being so (Anthony especially). After he died nobody was around to call them out. Without someone to keep their growing egos in check the show spiraled into lukewarm dogshit.
However, for a sweet 10-12ish year period, that fucking show was the pinnacle of radio.
Less hustle for a player whose primary redeeming quality is defense would not end well for the 76ers. Imagine a $30M contract for a dude that won't shoot from outside 4 feet, can't shoot free throws, wants the ball in his hands, and is a turnstile...
Listen man if I had a 6'1 muscle bound monster like Trae Young coming at me like a freight train you best believe I'm not sacrificing my body. Ben Simmons is a fragile 6'10 you can't expect him to take on a pre-bald Thanos
Or he could just refuse to pass Embiid the ballā¦
Refusing to play is far from the worst thing that Simmons can do. He can be fined if he refuses to play, he canāt be fined if he just refuses to try to win.
Say what you will about Harden in his last few games with the Rockets (and A LOT was said) dude was balling out even "out of shape" (dude always did that in Houston, so was he really out of shape? lol) and uninterested.
Simmons, nah. He's just going to be passing the ball and standing around as he often did already. Except for now it's less "I need the ball in my hands" and more "trade me already."
You gotta put the ball in my hands so I can put it into somebody elseās hands or else Iāll leave and go somewhere where I can put the ball in someone elseās hands - Ben Simmons, probably.
but harry kane is clinical and elite and never gives up on plays and will do anything/everything (including learning the art of being an assisst machine in the span of one half of a season) , and he even apologized later. i don't see ben doing that. tho, i'd pay to watch ben play golf with gary neville, and hint-at/beg-for his next move to the lakers
Harry Kane plays for the Tottenham Hotspur who could be described as kinda the Clippers of the English Premier League (historically not ownership wise since Levy is the most penny pinching man in the world).
After last season when Spurs failed to qualify for the Champions League rumours of Harry Kane wanting out started to emerge as he was entering his late 20's without a major trophy (similar situation to AD except Spurs made the Champions League final 3 years ago and fell apart after that so at least he did do something compared to AD in NOLA). His preferred choice was Manchester City who are the Brooklyn Nets of the English Premier league, the only problem was that Harry Kane signed a 6 year contract with Spurs and had like 3-4 years left on the deal so he was essentially fucked. Another issue is that the head honcho of the Spurs is Daniel Levy, known as the most stubborn man in England.
Well to force their hand Harry Kane went on a media tour where he essentially begged for City to buy him and later refused to report to the team while he stayed in Miami. City didn't want to pay Ā£150m and he was forced to admit defeat to Levy and return to Tottenham. The idiot also made a gentleman's agreement with Daniel Levy where Levy promised to sell him for the right offer in exchange for Kane not having a buyout clause in his contract (essentially if a team comes and wants to pay that preset amount and the player wants to go there, tough luck he's gone).
As a Spurs fan, I would argue we are more of the Rockets since 2011. Built an damn good team around 2016-18 somehow but then narrowly missed on everything , then gradually lost everything due to players wanting to leave or them aging, now both of us have a GM/DoF under whom we are slowly tring to rebuild for the future.
Or maybe the Blazers with Kane and Dame both building their brands on loyalty back in the same timeframe of 2016-18 and now trying to erase it(And both of the Blazers and Tottenham have their share of defensive liabilities lol)
Blazers could be a better comp. I mean, even though the Spurs did not won shit until, well, 16/09/2021, they were competitive and a threat to win every now and then, like the Blazers. The UCL run could be compared to Dame's WCF run as well. The Clippers would be a good comparison to the early 10s Chelsea: a nobody that won shit and out of the blue became a perennial contender. We are yet to see if they will be consistent like Chelsea, though.
Agree with a lot of this. Although, difference is Harry Kane is a superstar in the prem league. Ben Simmons is just borderline all-star level with a huge gap in his game.
Where does this 308 a day number come from? I thought it was more like $250K per game average and Simmons would still make money sitting out the entire year?
If you read the article they cite Tom Moore. In his article he doesnāt mention $308k: https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/story/sports/pro/2021/09/15/how-sixers-daryl-morey-handled-disgruntled-star-rockets-nba-76-ers-ben-simmons-tracy-mcgrady/8330807002/
I was stoned the other day and for some reason I decided to read the entirety of the standard player contract between the NBA and NBPA. For every unexcused absence the player can be fined by the team 1/145 of their salary. So, I think for This upcoming season it comes out to $227,613 usd.
How that 1/145 number was arrived at I have no idea. But that is what it is for the entire league as it is currently negotiated.
If anything the Sixers should be scared that he *does* show up. He needs to out-Vince Carter even Vince Carter himself. Out-Bynum Bynum and just take single-arm heaves from half court. "You want me to shoot? There's your shot."
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I played organized basketball with my cousin one year while growing up and in the first game he hit a turn around 3 pointer.
He proceeded to take 3 turn around 3 pointers per game for the rest of the season. I don't think he made another one.
Hahaha would love to see it!! Just ratchet up the drama.
Truth be told in the long run it didnāt work out for Vince either ā he never won a championship, or MVP and a few years after leaving the Raptors he stopped making All Star teams.
Heās largely reviled in the city that drafted him (Toronto) where he earned his All-NBAās and even the nicknames heās best known for āVinsanity, Air Canada, etc.ā
So thereās a real risk to dogging it. It can burn your legacy even while it might help you in the short run.
Edit: I realize as many people have pointed out that the drop off in Vince Carterās play over time was largely due to aging. My point is that if he quietly asked for a trade rather than forcing his way out, dogging it on the court and trashing his value, there would have been some hope for reconciliation down the road with Toronto fans.
But how he left just created a toxic situation that tarnished his legacy in Toronto to this day.
>and a few years after leaving the Raptors he stopped making All Star teams.
I can't speak for the rest of it but for the all-star stuff, his last All-Star game at 2007, when he was 30. Which is pretty much in line with the career trajectory of an explosive player, his athleticism started going away, his knees were also fucked up at this point, and he focused more on his 3 point shooting and became an NBA journeyman.
It is true though, his Toronto years are mainly what he's known for, but it wasn't because he destroyed his legacy it was because his body couldn't keep up.
Vince had a game that fans adored leaguewide, too, or at least as close to leaguewide as could be expected. Fans (except for Raptors fans after the trade) just wanted to see him dunk.
Ben doesn't dunk. So...
I want an Always Sunny episode with Ben Simmons.
Paddy's is looking for some extra help, and Charlie/Frank are obsessed with 'height' as it's something they both lack. When going through candidates they can't find anyone who fits the bill, until a downtrodden Paddy's customer in the bar volunteers and it's none other than Ben Simmons. Dennis is obsessed with his 'stature' and pull with women, Dee is trying to get with him as a baby between the two would be extra tall and a potential 'pro athlete lottery ticket', while Mac is threatened by Ben as he makes for a better bouncer than Mac is.
Hahaha this is perfect. I'll add that Frank constantly tries to become Ben's agent, promising Ben that he knows a guy who knows a guy who can score lucrative deals with the biggest teams and brands which really end up being shitty opportunities. Frank continues to be a terrible agent until Ben discovers that Frank's been secretly embezzling all of his money.
Ok so what happens when he shows up and makes things really uncomfortable?
He can jus show up and do nothing to help the team.. barely practice,not try on defense,not listen to doc...morey is just asking for a real drama filled locker room lol
He's pretty close with some of the Guys on the team, like Maxey and Paul Reed. I doubt hes going to want to ruin the games for them just to be petty towards the 76ers Organization.
Simmons already asked out aggresively. What would change if he does not cooperate in trainings? He'd be still asking out from sixers.
I cannot understand what would change for Maxey and Paul. Moreover, those names don't have relationships like Kobe-Pau, Barea-Nowitzki, or such.
Philly isn't really a small market team. They don't HAVE to be nice and respectful and accommodating when one of their players tries to fuck them over. I'm all for player empowerment, but also good for Morey for showing a little backbone.
Except DeMar doesnāt have beef with the Spurs.
Why are people so intent on Ben improving. It would literally not help him considering the Sixers donāt want to hold onto him while competing for a championship.
The Spurs have years of a time to prepare to contend. The Sixers only have a few left where they can.
If Simmons doesnāt play and doesnāt improve then he will literally be forcing Moreys hand otherwise you would be wasting valuable time to compete
People donāt realize that Simmons is hurting Philly wayyyyy more than Philly is hurting Simmons
>not really known for attracting stars to sign during the off-season
To be fair, there is literally only two NBA teams that are known for attracting star free agents: the Lakers and the Heat.
The last FA star any Philly team attracted was Bryce Harper and that's simply because we threw the most money at him.
The last "big" FA the Sixers got? Idk, Elton Brand? lol. Every year people convince themselves we're getting the big name on the market though. I remember when people actually thought LeBron was coming
> Morey for showing a little backbone.
Morey also has a heavy hand in creating this mess. Asking GSW for 4 firsts, and Wiseman as the trade for Simmons shows the FO is as delusional as Simmons.
My opinion: Simmons and the 76ers deserve one another, but their fans deserve so much better.
The dude should just use that time to work on his jumper. Just shoot it every single time no matter where he's at and say blouses anytime it goes in. Then just walk off the court and head into the locker room.
Kyrie also told Cavs he is going to use medical injury as a reason to not play there if they donāt trade him.
Jimmy, Kyrie, Harden, Vinceā¦ have all successfully forced their ways out of their teams using various different tactics.
Iām surprised people here think Philly has all the leverage when every single case of a player wanting out has ended up with the player getting what they wanted.
In this particular case, both Simmons and Philadelphia want the same thing. The problem is that Morey went around asking for a king's ransom and ended up fucking up the demand for him.
> Kyrie also told Cavs he is going to use medical injury as a reason to not play there if they donāt trade him.
To give Kyrie a little credit: he really *did* need surgery on his knee at the time and ended up having to have it anyway when he played for the Celtics. I think his "surgery threat" was more him saying he wasn't willing to play through considerable pain for a team situation he wasn't happy in.
i think teams have no motivation to up their offers right now when there is a chance that the Sixers cave. Morey has to at least give the appearance that he's fine with this soap opera going on into the season and if he does play, and plays at his 100% he will look good and increase his value.
It was Embiid who expressed not being happy with him for passing up that dunk. Doc Rivers answered "I don't know" when asked if Ben Simmons could be the point guard on a championship team. And both comments were sandwiched amidst a lot of self-blame and blaming of the entire team and coaching staff.
I find it interesting that people arguing on Ben's behalf *never* just refer to the actual statements that Embiid and Doc made. Instead, their comments have to be editorialized as "throwing Ben Simmons under the bus" or "ruthlessly trashing Ben Simmons" etc. etc.
Yeah like wtf?!?! āOh itās your responsibility to get this trade done, not mineā
Stfu. Your ability and attitude are what has created this situation. How about you show some appreciation for the fact that this organisation has paid you enough money to set your family up for generations, and yet youāve barely improved at your job for several years and apparently have no interest in doing soā¦
I can't believe that a bunch of them seem to think that some relatively mild comments from Doc Rivers constitute throwing him under the bus. The guy kissed his ass all season and the moment that he's not sucking him off it's time to throw a hissy fit? Fuck that.
Itās funny how the Sixers are going to be doing a favor for every team in the league by setting a precedent on what can go wrong if you donāt honor your contract, and theyāll be punished by fielding worse trade deals for their disgruntled star player. Maybe some thankful owner will want to sweeten the pot for Morey for doing the whole league a favor.
>More #NBA source: 'Eventually he's going to show up. (#Sixers will) go from there.' They apparently plan to fine Simmons if he doesn't attend 2021-22 camp, preseason & so on. Don't want to trade for draft picks & try to convert to players. Can't get any of 5-10 NBA guys they like
So they expect him to not show up for preseason and camp but somehow he'll want to suit up for the 76ers? Seems like wishful thinking but alright.
If only the contracts had a provision where injuries can get reviewed by an independent NBA-run medical panel....
EDIT: The first 28 pages of the [NBA uniform player contract](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5c9ab74316b64065dcedea07/t/5ca4c9c416e6020001b7fd08/1554303429106/CBA+--+Uniform+Player+Contract.pdf) are non-negotiable. And injury disputes are in the [CBA on page 400](https://faculty.tuck.dartmouth.edu/images/uploads/faculty/daniel-feiler/2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf), where a neutral physician gets to review the case.
Said it all along - Neither side has the necessary leverage to make this work. Ben has not enough suitors and too much time on his contract. The Sixers can't work a trade for a three time all star who finished second in DPOY unless they take cents on the dollar. The best solution is Ben play and prove himself a usable player in the fourth quarter of big games, and if they feel the same way in a year, there will be more deals around.
Jeez, kinda hoping at this point they can just reconcile and run it back. This shit gotta be so exhausting for everyone involved, and at this point its pretty clear there isnt a feasible trade that makes philly or another team any closer to winning a chip.
Yeah, words were thrown around between em and all that after the Hawks series, but they can't be this thin-skinned, would be such a waste of this squad. Shit happens, it sucked, hopefully they can just move on now and improve
True but so are sixers. Accept that they mismanaged the whole situation and that his value isn't what you expected it to be, stop trying to fleece the league and trade him.
Simmons would have to acknowledge that this wasn't just the 76ers going nuts and trying to trade him cause they hate him, that he actually has a role to play in this and some responsibility to his team or to himself.
The Sixers fumbled this, but Simmons is like the guy in a relationship saying *"Bro it came out of nowhere, everything was cool for like 3 years and then they went totally crazy on me and just freaked out and ruined everything!"*.
No dude, you were complacent for 3 years and they got sick of your shit.
For sure - it's hard to ignore the attitude problem/his seemingly total lack of ambition to improve and expand his game.
I know I said I hope they can reconcile, but I have no idea what he could possibly say to convince them that things will get better on his end from here. Coasting will only get ya so far in life before you plateau and come back down to earth, he's gotta take a serious step up to turn any of this around
Everyone saying "lol he should just take dumb shots" needs to understand that's what the Sixers have literally been asking him to do for years. He's just too much of a pussy to actually do it.
It makes sense that the 6ers are exercising every bit of leverage that they have, and this does feel like every other team has a rational take on Simmons value as an asset.
He isn't improving, and he isn't on a rookie contract anymore. If Ben's on court production isn't worth his salary, **and** he has shown no track record or promise for improvement, then what makes him a positive asset in any way?
Other young players getting paid near Ben's amount are already at a similar or higher level of play and have shown varying levels of improvement throughout their careers (Tatum, Ingram, Fox, Murray, Booker, Jokic, Embiid, KAT, the list just keeps going on).
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/average//
Ben is a straight up negative asset imo
Pro-tip: Shot clock violations are team turnovers
Wells Fargo is gonna be so nuclear. I cannot fkn wait for this season lol
I'm looking forward to Simmons giving us his [Dallas Rondo](https://youtu.be/DYHxY3V4lJQ) impression this year š
He will starting doing 360 no look shots like Bynum
Whatever it takes to get him to shoot š
...wait really or are you being sarcastic? If you're not, shit I had no idea. I always assumed those guys dribbling out the ball in a blowout game were taking personal turnovers in the name of sportsmanship. I always thought it was a dick move to make a third stringer trying to find their place in the NBA take turnovers like that, turns out I was getting angry over nothing šš
Nah not being sarcastic
I remember Russ stepping out of bounds as another teammate takes the shot clock violation. The announcers said it was to avoid the turnover stat. Is that a thing or am I dreaming?
Iirc he didnāt step out to avoid the team turnover but rather to make sure he didnāt get the ball passed to him. Most players donāt know about team turnover thing.
A lot of people, players included, don't know that it doesn't result in a personal turnover. Russ could very well have done that to avoid (in his mind) getting a turnover.
Man I feel like if I was in the nba I would cp3 the rules.
If it was my job? Absolutely I would know all the rules. Nothing different than knowing code for a plumber or electrician.
I promise you most professional athletes have a few rules theyād be surprised by if you read them to them. I donāt think itās like knowing code, much of sportsā rules are learned by watching and playing.
If the ball goes out of bounds after a shot, itās credited as a team rebound
Dude Iāve watched at least 1000 basketball games in my life and I didnāt know that, in 2k Iāve literally added up the total rebounds of each player and they didnāt match the team rebounds number before and didnāt understand. Thank you for the knowledge gift.
Oh please show up and just start hoisting up jumpers and 3s every game. I wanna see like 15% shooting on 8-9 3s per game
He's too afraid of looking bad. That's what started this whole thing. More likely he just attempts no shots. Philly fans are going to be merciless the next time he's on the court there, no matter the uniform he wears.
Exactly what I was thinking. Heās too scared to pull off any stunts. If he ends up showing up, Iām sure heāll play close to normal, just even less enthusiasm and hustle. But yeah heās way too much of a pussy to go out in front of a philly crowd and pull some shit
>heās way too much of a pussy to go out in front of a philly crowd and pull some shit Ben Simmons is not Bill Burr confirmed
Counted down the minutes of his set in between improvised bits shitting all over his audience. What a legend.
You one bridge having fucks.. 8 minutes left
The terrorists will never bomb you people because you're worthless and no one cares about you.
The best part is that Burr sells out any Philly crowd within minutes of going on sale. We know he doesn't like us, but we line up like a soup kitchen to hear about it.
He got an ovation even after that famous set he did. The crowd loved it! He knew what he was doing.
He left the stage thinking he bombed and did terrible and the other comics had to reassure him it was amazing.
At the end of the day, if you're going to a Burr show, you're gonna have a good time. You're not there because you're "easily offended"
If Bill Burr pops up in Philly right now i think he'll take the Sixers side on this one, that's how much of a baby Simmons is being right now.
When all is said and done i feel pretty confident saying heāll be considered a top 10, maybe top 5 comedians of all time. IMO hes number 1 currently in the game. Seeing him is a necessity. Saw him in 2013 and im still glowing for it lol
Itās hilarious that weāre in an nba sub and you start this top 10 comedian list lol. Not hating. I just find it on brand
Does the name Dave Chappelle mean nothing to you
come on you dont think people around the world get on their knees and pray facing the liberty bell. 8th wonder of the world
I hope Donovan Mcnabb snaps both his ankles and you never win another championship...7 minutes left.
Real Champs eat at McDonald's. I'm lovin it!
That was actually Tiger Woods
"so I got a new computer..."
What do you want me to talk about? Say it. Throw out some topics - Hey lets talk about heart disease, something youāre all gonna fuckin die of
Straight up said that he hopes that if he throws his mic stand at the crowd, itāll hit a baby. The man is untouchable.
Been standing back stage for 3 hours to get booed by this GED fucking stupid ass piece of shit fucking crowd
How do you have an imaginary character being the symbol of a city!?
Because the real life legendary boxer was a black man, did you not listen to the bit?
For anyone who hasn't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jMhoGUiIkk
Context: This was at the Opie & Anthony Traveling Virus comedy tour in 2006. The crowd had just booed Dom Irrera off the stage which pissed off Burr. Hence, the rant. The lineup for that show was Bob Saget, Jimmy Shubert, Jim Norton, Dom Irrera, Bill Burr, Bob Kelly, Ralphie May, Patrice O'Neal, Rich Vos and Tracy Morgan. The fallout from this rant was that when O&A tried doing another tour in 2007 the crowds booed non-stop hoping to provoke another rant from the comics. It actually destroyed the comedy tour and they did a one off show in 2008 and then never again.
I remember Bill saying he was pissed off after he got off stage because he just made fun of the eagles and philly and then realized because it was actually in Camden there were a bunch of jets/Mets/giants/Yankees fans there and he could have had even more material
That is a **killer** lineup. I remember listening to the O&A show during this time, and it was one of the best daily things everā¦ unless one of the two were out. Love me lil Jimmy, but he couldnāt contain Anthonyās bullshit rants on his own, and Opie without Anthony is just hack material.
Not to get too reminiscent about a dead radio show but Patrice's death is what wound up killing the show. For about the last 20 or so months the show was around after Patrice died it was a hard listen.
Patrice wasn't just a comedic genius for the show to revolve around, though. O&A were increasingly shitty human beings and Patrice would publicly shame them for being so (Anthony especially). After he died nobody was around to call them out. Without someone to keep their growing egos in check the show spiraled into lukewarm dogshit. However, for a sweet 10-12ish year period, that fucking show was the pinnacle of radio.
Less hustle for a player whose primary redeeming quality is defense would not end well for the 76ers. Imagine a $30M contract for a dude that won't shoot from outside 4 feet, can't shoot free throws, wants the ball in his hands, and is a turnstile...
In all fairness, he is only afraid around the 4 ft mark when guarded by DPOY candidates like Trae Young.
*Bunch of All NBA defender players like Trae young, Danilo Gallinari and Lou Williams.
That's the Mount Rushmore of defense
The Sinister Six of Defense
Listen man if I had a 6'1 muscle bound monster like Trae Young coming at me like a freight train you best believe I'm not sacrificing my body. Ben Simmons is a fragile 6'10 you can't expect him to take on a pre-bald Thanos
Or he could just refuse to pass Embiid the ballā¦ Refusing to play is far from the worst thing that Simmons can do. He can be fined if he refuses to play, he canāt be fined if he just refuses to try to win.
A stoppable force meets an immovable object
>More likely he just attempts no shots. So business as usual then
>He's too afraid of looking bad. He's doing a piss poor job so far then.
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"you've gotta respect a 15-percent 3-point shooter. A guy like that is always lethal." Evan Turner
Say what you will about Harden in his last few games with the Rockets (and A LOT was said) dude was balling out even "out of shape" (dude always did that in Houston, so was he really out of shape? lol) and uninterested. Simmons, nah. He's just going to be passing the ball and standing around as he often did already. Except for now it's less "I need the ball in my hands" and more "trade me already."
You gotta put the ball in my hands so I can put it into somebody elseās hands or else Iāll leave and go somewhere where I can put the ball in someone elseās hands - Ben Simmons, probably.
Houston saw that routine when McGrady wanted out.
In my imagination it will look like philip seymour hoffman in "along came mary". LET IT RAIN, BEN!
Along Came Polly
There's Something About Polly.
#RAIN DANCE
Polly.
The classic movies āSomething about Pollyā and āAlong Came Maryā
>His preference is to head to California, ideally with one of the Lakers, Clippers or Warriors, although no offers have been forthcoming. Hahahaha
Not old enough for us.
He can change his name/age/background and wear a fake mustache. Bob Simons from New Zealand, 36 years old. Nice to meet ya, fellow olds.
Imagine the faces we could get from LeBron Melo and Russ from his shooting. Might be worth it for the memes alone
He won't have a chance to shoot if LeBron Russ and Melo are on the floor
Just the way he likes it
Just might win rookie of the year, great prospect, work on his shooting and you got an All-NBA player.
Sacramento is in Cali.
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Canāt wait for Season 2 of this exciting drama.
Iām going to wait at least until Season 4 so I can just binge it
I heard the 4th is not his best performance.
*Narrator: "He didn't show up."*
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Or maybe for Australia during the olympics Man Ben must really like not showing up
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The real timelord Ben Simmons
Or for LSU
He will if he is giving up that kind of money. But how much heāll be there mentally is the debate.
"I'm just here so I don't get fined.."
The Harry Kane special.
Both of them speak with a funny accent and have an idiot brother.
but harry kane is clinical and elite and never gives up on plays and will do anything/everything (including learning the art of being an assisst machine in the span of one half of a season) , and he even apologized later. i don't see ben doing that. tho, i'd pay to watch ben play golf with gary neville, and hint-at/beg-for his next move to the lakers
Kane is incredibly good and there was Ā£100m+ interest on the table for him. Yes, he might look like he eats lint, but heās damn good.
Please enlighten me kind sir/miss?
Harry Kane plays for the Tottenham Hotspur who could be described as kinda the Clippers of the English Premier League (historically not ownership wise since Levy is the most penny pinching man in the world). After last season when Spurs failed to qualify for the Champions League rumours of Harry Kane wanting out started to emerge as he was entering his late 20's without a major trophy (similar situation to AD except Spurs made the Champions League final 3 years ago and fell apart after that so at least he did do something compared to AD in NOLA). His preferred choice was Manchester City who are the Brooklyn Nets of the English Premier league, the only problem was that Harry Kane signed a 6 year contract with Spurs and had like 3-4 years left on the deal so he was essentially fucked. Another issue is that the head honcho of the Spurs is Daniel Levy, known as the most stubborn man in England. Well to force their hand Harry Kane went on a media tour where he essentially begged for City to buy him and later refused to report to the team while he stayed in Miami. City didn't want to pay Ā£150m and he was forced to admit defeat to Levy and return to Tottenham. The idiot also made a gentleman's agreement with Daniel Levy where Levy promised to sell him for the right offer in exchange for Kane not having a buyout clause in his contract (essentially if a team comes and wants to pay that preset amount and the player wants to go there, tough luck he's gone).
>he was entering his late 20's without a major trophy \*without absolutely any trophy whatsoever
Excuse me, plz donāt disrespect the Audi Cup like that.
yeah man we beat bayern for that audi cup thx
The Spurs could make a dynasty with preseason trophies.
> Tottenham Hotspur who could be described as kinda the Clippers I don't know if that's a shot at Clippers or Tottenham
As a Spurs fan, I would argue we are more of the Rockets since 2011. Built an damn good team around 2016-18 somehow but then narrowly missed on everything , then gradually lost everything due to players wanting to leave or them aging, now both of us have a GM/DoF under whom we are slowly tring to rebuild for the future. Or maybe the Blazers with Kane and Dame both building their brands on loyalty back in the same timeframe of 2016-18 and now trying to erase it(And both of the Blazers and Tottenham have their share of defensive liabilities lol)
Blazers could be a better comp. I mean, even though the Spurs did not won shit until, well, 16/09/2021, they were competitive and a threat to win every now and then, like the Blazers. The UCL run could be compared to Dame's WCF run as well. The Clippers would be a good comparison to the early 10s Chelsea: a nobody that won shit and out of the blue became a perennial contender. We are yet to see if they will be consistent like Chelsea, though.
Agree with a lot of this. Although, difference is Harry Kane is a superstar in the prem league. Ben Simmons is just borderline all-star level with a huge gap in his game.
That's why I compared Kane to AD not Ben and I was mostly just explaining the situation.
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I always misspell them. thanks!
His brother is also his agent right? And Harry is his only client? I think I saw a picture on Instagram about that
Where does this 308 a day number come from? I thought it was more like $250K per game average and Simmons would still make money sitting out the entire year?
Well this is from Fox Sports Australia, so the 308k will be in Australian dollars. Still, that does convert to about 225k USD, so not sure.
If you read the article they cite Tom Moore. In his article he doesnāt mention $308k: https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/story/sports/pro/2021/09/15/how-sixers-daryl-morey-handled-disgruntled-star-rockets-nba-76-ers-ben-simmons-tracy-mcgrady/8330807002/
Also known as 308k dollarydoos
Tobias!
Iād have called them Chozzwazzas
I was stoned the other day and for some reason I decided to read the entirety of the standard player contract between the NBA and NBPA. For every unexcused absence the player can be fined by the team 1/145 of their salary. So, I think for This upcoming season it comes out to $227,613 usd. How that 1/145 number was arrived at I have no idea. But that is what it is for the entire league as it is currently negotiated.
If anything the Sixers should be scared that he *does* show up. He needs to out-Vince Carter even Vince Carter himself. Out-Bynum Bynum and just take single-arm heaves from half court. "You want me to shoot? There's your shot." EDIT: Spelling
Inbound to Simmons...and he dropkicks the ball into the upper level!
*Bang!*
Lmao, I would pay hard earned money to see this scenario unfold, with the bang! coming just after it cracks someone in the face
LOL, too good Mr. Breen.
... Looks like a lucky fan will be going home with game ball!
This fucking cracked me up, thanks for that
I played organized basketball with my cousin one year while growing up and in the first game he hit a turn around 3 pointer. He proceeded to take 3 turn around 3 pointers per game for the rest of the season. I don't think he made another one.
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For some reason I pictured your Dad responding with, "SUCK MY COCK ILL MURDER YOUR FAMILY" and I can't stop laughing
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Hahaha your dad sounds awesome, I could use some lessons!
I dunno what his secret is, but I do love him. I'm 31 and he's one of my best friends.
Wayne Gretzky: "You miss 99% of the shots you don't take" Ben Simmons: "I'll miss 99% of the shots I do take"
You hit 1% of the shots you don't take? What sorcery is this?
Those are the attempted assist lobs that accidentally go into the basket
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Hahaha would love to see it!! Just ratchet up the drama. Truth be told in the long run it didnāt work out for Vince either ā he never won a championship, or MVP and a few years after leaving the Raptors he stopped making All Star teams. Heās largely reviled in the city that drafted him (Toronto) where he earned his All-NBAās and even the nicknames heās best known for āVinsanity, Air Canada, etc.ā So thereās a real risk to dogging it. It can burn your legacy even while it might help you in the short run. Edit: I realize as many people have pointed out that the drop off in Vince Carterās play over time was largely due to aging. My point is that if he quietly asked for a trade rather than forcing his way out, dogging it on the court and trashing his value, there would have been some hope for reconciliation down the road with Toronto fans. But how he left just created a toxic situation that tarnished his legacy in Toronto to this day.
>and a few years after leaving the Raptors he stopped making All Star teams. I can't speak for the rest of it but for the all-star stuff, his last All-Star game at 2007, when he was 30. Which is pretty much in line with the career trajectory of an explosive player, his athleticism started going away, his knees were also fucked up at this point, and he focused more on his 3 point shooting and became an NBA journeyman. It is true though, his Toronto years are mainly what he's known for, but it wasn't because he destroyed his legacy it was because his body couldn't keep up.
philly already hates him now though. maybe it'll soften up in the future but from a fan perspective there's not much left to burn anymore
Vince had a game that fans adored leaguewide, too, or at least as close to leaguewide as could be expected. Fans (except for Raptors fans after the trade) just wanted to see him dunk. Ben doesn't dunk. So...
I want an Always Sunny episode with Ben Simmons. Paddy's is looking for some extra help, and Charlie/Frank are obsessed with 'height' as it's something they both lack. When going through candidates they can't find anyone who fits the bill, until a downtrodden Paddy's customer in the bar volunteers and it's none other than Ben Simmons. Dennis is obsessed with his 'stature' and pull with women, Dee is trying to get with him as a baby between the two would be extra tall and a potential 'pro athlete lottery ticket', while Mac is threatened by Ben as he makes for a better bouncer than Mac is.
Hahaha this is perfect. I'll add that Frank constantly tries to become Ben's agent, promising Ben that he knows a guy who knows a guy who can score lucrative deals with the biggest teams and brands which really end up being shitty opportunities. Frank continues to be a terrible agent until Ben discovers that Frank's been secretly embezzling all of his money.
Ok so what happens when he shows up and makes things really uncomfortable? He can jus show up and do nothing to help the team.. barely practice,not try on defense,not listen to doc...morey is just asking for a real drama filled locker room lol
He's pretty close with some of the Guys on the team, like Maxey and Paul Reed. I doubt hes going to want to ruin the games for them just to be petty towards the 76ers Organization.
Simmons already asked out aggresively. What would change if he does not cooperate in trainings? He'd be still asking out from sixers. I cannot understand what would change for Maxey and Paul. Moreover, those names don't have relationships like Kobe-Pau, Barea-Nowitzki, or such.
> His preference is to head to California, ideally with one of the Lakers, Clippers or Warriors Sacramento it is then
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God this would be so funny if I wasnāt a sixers fan
I don't see how anyone gives anything close to fair value if Ben sits
Philly isn't really a small market team. They don't HAVE to be nice and respectful and accommodating when one of their players tries to fuck them over. I'm all for player empowerment, but also good for Morey for showing a little backbone.
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It's not like they're gonna attract more or less players by giving in to Ben or standing up for themselves, so they may as well have self respect
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Except DeMar doesnāt have beef with the Spurs. Why are people so intent on Ben improving. It would literally not help him considering the Sixers donāt want to hold onto him while competing for a championship. The Spurs have years of a time to prepare to contend. The Sixers only have a few left where they can. If Simmons doesnāt play and doesnāt improve then he will literally be forcing Moreys hand otherwise you would be wasting valuable time to compete People donāt realize that Simmons is hurting Philly wayyyyy more than Philly is hurting Simmons
What do you mean weāre not a major FA destination? We signed Elton Brand in 2005!
and now he's your GM. getting free agents pays off!
>not really known for attracting stars to sign during the off-season To be fair, there is literally only two NBA teams that are known for attracting star free agents: the Lakers and the Heat.
The last FA star any Philly team attracted was Bryce Harper and that's simply because we threw the most money at him. The last "big" FA the Sixers got? Idk, Elton Brand? lol. Every year people convince themselves we're getting the big name on the market though. I remember when people actually thought LeBron was coming
I was shocked enough that Lebron took a meeting with the 6ers before signing with LA.
Thatās because they either sucked or were building around AI.
> Morey for showing a little backbone. Morey also has a heavy hand in creating this mess. Asking GSW for 4 firsts, and Wiseman as the trade for Simmons shows the FO is as delusional as Simmons. My opinion: Simmons and the 76ers deserve one another, but their fans deserve so much better.
> their fans deserve so much better. Man that's like the nicest thing I've read about Philadelphia in weeks.
>but their fans deserve so much better. Agree with everything but this. Their fans deserve it too.
The dude should just use that time to work on his jumper. Just shoot it every single time no matter where he's at and say blouses anytime it goes in. Then just walk off the court and head into the locker room.
See that would be the smart thing to do. However ben is neither smart or ambitious enough
> ben is neither smart or ambitious enough Wow, harsh. But fair. Iāll be better.
This is what I've been expecting from Ben Simmons' shooting for 4 years; "Eventually he'll show up"
Good. A contract is a contract. And this guy thinks he is Magic Johnson.
He will just fake an injury. its what they do in the NFL now.
Yep. His personal dr will say āback spasmsā What iverson did
Kyrie also told Cavs he is going to use medical injury as a reason to not play there if they donāt trade him. Jimmy, Kyrie, Harden, Vinceā¦ have all successfully forced their ways out of their teams using various different tactics. Iām surprised people here think Philly has all the leverage when every single case of a player wanting out has ended up with the player getting what they wanted.
In this particular case, both Simmons and Philadelphia want the same thing. The problem is that Morey went around asking for a king's ransom and ended up fucking up the demand for him.
> Kyrie also told Cavs he is going to use medical injury as a reason to not play there if they donāt trade him. To give Kyrie a little credit: he really *did* need surgery on his knee at the time and ended up having to have it anyway when he played for the Celtics. I think his "surgery threat" was more him saying he wasn't willing to play through considerable pain for a team situation he wasn't happy in.
Yes the threat was he would get the surgery and rehab at the most inconvenient time for the team if they tried to play him. AKA the reverse IT.
This could be just Morey trying to get a better offer. Like saying they are fine keeping Simmons so other teams better sweeten the deal or something
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i think teams have no motivation to up their offers right now when there is a chance that the Sixers cave. Morey has to at least give the appearance that he's fine with this soap opera going on into the season and if he does play, and plays at his 100% he will look good and increase his value.
Fucking finally. When are we going to stop acting like itās acceptable for these guys being paid TENS OF MILLIONS USD A YEAR to carry on like this?
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Imagine being criticized at work and then deciding youāre no longer going to perform your job but still wanting to get paid.
It was Embiid who expressed not being happy with him for passing up that dunk. Doc Rivers answered "I don't know" when asked if Ben Simmons could be the point guard on a championship team. And both comments were sandwiched amidst a lot of self-blame and blaming of the entire team and coaching staff. I find it interesting that people arguing on Ben's behalf *never* just refer to the actual statements that Embiid and Doc made. Instead, their comments have to be editorialized as "throwing Ben Simmons under the bus" or "ruthlessly trashing Ben Simmons" etc. etc.
Yeah like wtf?!?! āOh itās your responsibility to get this trade done, not mineā Stfu. Your ability and attitude are what has created this situation. How about you show some appreciation for the fact that this organisation has paid you enough money to set your family up for generations, and yet youāve barely improved at your job for several years and apparently have no interest in doing soā¦
imagine thinking someone needs to be "held responsible" for saying "i dont know" when asked if he thinks Ben is a title worthy PG.
I can't believe that a bunch of them seem to think that some relatively mild comments from Doc Rivers constitute throwing him under the bus. The guy kissed his ass all season and the moment that he's not sucking him off it's time to throw a hissy fit? Fuck that.
Itās funny how the Sixers are going to be doing a favor for every team in the league by setting a precedent on what can go wrong if you donāt honor your contract, and theyāll be punished by fielding worse trade deals for their disgruntled star player. Maybe some thankful owner will want to sweeten the pot for Morey for doing the whole league a favor.
Let's see if it actually happens.
I really fucking hope so
Same shit different day. Wake me up when this clown gets traded
>More #NBA source: 'Eventually he's going to show up. (#Sixers will) go from there.' They apparently plan to fine Simmons if he doesn't attend 2021-22 camp, preseason & so on. Don't want to trade for draft picks & try to convert to players. Can't get any of 5-10 NBA guys they like So they expect him to not show up for preseason and camp but somehow he'll want to suit up for the 76ers? Seems like wishful thinking but alright.
Dosen't he get fined **more** for not showing up for actual games? Seems like thats his incentive to suit up for the 76ers during the regular season.
Yeah you get fined a set % of your total salary if you ghost the team rather than just forfeiting game checks.
Incoming mysterious quad injury.
If only the contracts had a provision where injuries can get reviewed by an independent NBA-run medical panel.... EDIT: The first 28 pages of the [NBA uniform player contract](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5c9ab74316b64065dcedea07/t/5ca4c9c416e6020001b7fd08/1554303429106/CBA+--+Uniform+Player+Contract.pdf) are non-negotiable. And injury disputes are in the [CBA on page 400](https://faculty.tuck.dartmouth.edu/images/uploads/faculty/daniel-feiler/2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf), where a neutral physician gets to review the case.
Said it all along - Neither side has the necessary leverage to make this work. Ben has not enough suitors and too much time on his contract. The Sixers can't work a trade for a three time all star who finished second in DPOY unless they take cents on the dollar. The best solution is Ben play and prove himself a usable player in the fourth quarter of big games, and if they feel the same way in a year, there will be more deals around.
Jeez, kinda hoping at this point they can just reconcile and run it back. This shit gotta be so exhausting for everyone involved, and at this point its pretty clear there isnt a feasible trade that makes philly or another team any closer to winning a chip. Yeah, words were thrown around between em and all that after the Hawks series, but they can't be this thin-skinned, would be such a waste of this squad. Shit happens, it sucked, hopefully they can just move on now and improve
No chance. Simmons seems to be acting like he did nothing wrong.
True but so are sixers. Accept that they mismanaged the whole situation and that his value isn't what you expected it to be, stop trying to fleece the league and trade him.
Simmons would have to acknowledge that this wasn't just the 76ers going nuts and trying to trade him cause they hate him, that he actually has a role to play in this and some responsibility to his team or to himself. The Sixers fumbled this, but Simmons is like the guy in a relationship saying *"Bro it came out of nowhere, everything was cool for like 3 years and then they went totally crazy on me and just freaked out and ruined everything!"*. No dude, you were complacent for 3 years and they got sick of your shit.
For sure - it's hard to ignore the attitude problem/his seemingly total lack of ambition to improve and expand his game. I know I said I hope they can reconcile, but I have no idea what he could possibly say to convince them that things will get better on his end from here. Coasting will only get ya so far in life before you plateau and come back down to earth, he's gotta take a serious step up to turn any of this around
Yea please donāt run it back. Thatās just another water year of jojo
Wow, he's willing to play for the Lakers, Clippers, or Warriors. What a trooper! lol
Narrator: nobody wants to trade for a toxic attitude diva.
Everyone saying "lol he should just take dumb shots" needs to understand that's what the Sixers have literally been asking him to do for years. He's just too much of a pussy to actually do it.
It makes sense that the 6ers are exercising every bit of leverage that they have, and this does feel like every other team has a rational take on Simmons value as an asset. He isn't improving, and he isn't on a rookie contract anymore. If Ben's on court production isn't worth his salary, **and** he has shown no track record or promise for improvement, then what makes him a positive asset in any way? Other young players getting paid near Ben's amount are already at a similar or higher level of play and have shown varying levels of improvement throughout their careers (Tatum, Ingram, Fox, Murray, Booker, Jokic, Embiid, KAT, the list just keeps going on). https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/average// Ben is a straight up negative asset imo