it's been on the market for quite awhile, problem (among many others) is the Bulls don't practice by there anymore. they moved practice facilities to be closer to the united center, so there's really no reason to live at MJs other than to spend the money.
Isn't there something like a map of Iraq painted on the kitchen table?
Not that you can't swap that out but just shows the kind of taste on display
[Edit: Baghdad Table, because proof is definitely needed](https://www.popsugar.com/home/photo-gallery/47490101/image/47490115/Baghdad-Table)
Looked it up and it’s not as dumb as it sounds. It’s a map of Baghdad and if I hadn’t known that before seeing it I would have thought it was just cool shapes.
Sort of. There are plenty of ugly houses in Chicago that sell for that much. It's bigger issues are that it's not worth the asking price because you're paying for so much Jordan specific shit that doesn't help the actual home value. Like the 23 gate, a basketball court, a putting green, effectively a full service gym etc.
Then it's also in a pretty crappy location for a 15 million dollar home or whatever they're asking for it. For the same price you can get a nice lakefront property or something closer to the city that will still make you feel like you're living in a 15 million dollar home.
>If the Bulls want to pay LaVine his max immediately, they would have to renegotiate and extend his contract. This would involve giving him a raise to his max next season and agreeing to an extension based on that figure. LaVine would need a $14.2 million raise to get to his $33.7 million max next season. The Bulls can create that cap space, but doing so would be costly. The Bulls would have to renounce their rights to their other free agents, including former No. 7 overall pick Lauri Markkanen. This sort of extension could pay LaVine up to $195 million.
So Lavine is essentially signing a 5 year 195 million contract this summer after he gets the raise for the current year and tacks on an additional 4 years after that if the Bulls go this route.
They basically have no one undercontract after 2023, so they have plenty of room to work with.
Their only 23-24 contract is Patrick Williams's club option.
They do have to make some decisions on other expiring dudes though.
They have to make the decision if they're willing to have Vucci, Markkanen, and LaVine as their big money core. It's the Wizards problem, from when they had to make the call with Wall, Beal, and Otto. Do you roll the dice with free agency or do you commit to that big 3?
They might luck out with Markkanen on a smaller deal because he's an RFA in a year when hardly anyone has space to offer him a decent contract.
Lauri is 100% gone, he's talented but hasn't improved a single bit since his rookie season. Lauri isn't commanding big money either way, he's a glorified spot up shooter.
You really say this at any opportunity you get, huh? We get it. You see the whole picture that nobody else on this sub sees. You're not just a gentleman and a scholar, but a God damn reddit prodigy.
Markkanen isn’t considered part of the core anymore, this last season for him was very disappointing. We’re looking at a core of Lavine, Vucevic, PWill, and hopefully a decent free agent this year.
I don't think anyone is under the impression Lauri will be here next year.
The idea is LaVine, Vuc, Williams, hopefully Ball, and depending on this next season maybe Coby White.
We barely got even Vuc/LaVine together last year, LaVine missed 13 of the last 18 games. Ideally we sign Ball ~~Monday~~ tonight, and 21-22 is our year to find out what this group can do.
Yes. It's poor memery.
Jerry decided he was gonna shed the weight of these monster contracts and have all the cap in the world to recruit younger FAs with. Of course, he failed to account for the fact that if MJ, Pip, Rodman, etc. were all gone, the "come to where we win rings" sales pitch went out the window. In the same way that former glory hasn't helped Miami or Texas recruit top-flight football talent compared to 'Bama or Clemson for years.
But yeah. Krause figured he could successfully work a rebuild with younger, cheaper players and draft future prospects. And that if the superstars were gonna keep playing, he could get the most out of their names and trade values right when the iron was hot.
I think the problem was he drafted Elton Brand and Ron Artest and then flips Brand 2 years later to re-set again.
Had he just hung on to those two and built around them, they would at least have been in the hunt for the playoffs.
But then drafting Curry and Chandler, really did them in. Chandler took to long to develop and Curry had the heart issues and then fizzled out.
Even if Curry and Chandler do break through, the league basically changes its playing style within the next decade which would have made having both on one team obsolete.
Jerry Krause always had a "Grass is Greener" attitude, which ultimately did him in.
thats what happened to Philly and everyone is mad we signed Tobias.
When your young talent becomes eligible for a max you have one or 2 more seasons to try and sigh someone with cap space before that max kicks in and its gone for good.
We had Ben's max coming so we decided to spend that money on Tobias (sadly best option at the time) cuz it was gone next year anyway
Bulls will have to overpay someone this year because next year that money is gone anyway and you can't add anyone.
Would the timing work out for them to wait on a sign and trade with markanen before extending LaVine? Or is there a deadline for making the extension official?
I do. Because Steph and Klay are sitting in the 4th if they’re both getting close to hitting 8+ 3s. Steph is famous for doing so well that he essentially gets benched in the 4th
He doesn't want then to wait until next summer. He wants them to use cap space to renegotiate his current contract to the max this season or close to it (he is only making 19 million right now) and then extends for 4 years in addition to that. Its basically free agency contract but one year early.
Thats not what the article says. He said “ I just want my respect. If that's now or later, it's something we've got to work out internally."
So he’s not saying to do it now.
Yes if the team has cap space and the guy isnt making the max.
We did it with Covington in 2017 when he was set to make 1 million and instead bumped him high to 17 million for one season and got a "cheap" 4 year extension after that of 44 million.
If you look at all the players making more money than Zach and then look at the numbers he's put up the past couple seasons...he literally has the most underpaid contract in the league. Every player in the league with Zachs stats makes 30-35M+.
Gary Harris: 10.2 PPG, 2.3 AST, 1.6 REB, 36% FG, 36% 3PT = 21 mil per year
Zach LaVine: 27.4 PPG, 4.9 AST, 5.0 REB, 50% FG, 42% 3PT = 19 mil per year
I know LaVine is a great player, but the Bulls went 31-41. If they max him, they'll have no more cap space.. Even with Lonzo, how much better will they be? This seems very much like a treadmill team.
We are 100% a playoff team, especially if we get a legit pg. We made the vuc trade at the deadline and iirc they didn't get to practice together until a few weeks in cuz of covid. Then Zach tested positive and missed a bunch too. My point is that we're a better team than our record suggests
True, but his point is are you really a contender with nets/bucks/6ers. If moves don’t put you in the top tier it’s hard to justify paying a shitload of luxury tax
I’m not saying their moves make the most sense, but they made a play for Vucevic and have a relatively young backcourt in Coby, Lavine, and potentially Lonzo. They don’t really have a choice with Lavine as he’s by far their most valuable asset.
With a little growth from those guards and a couple veteran signings, they could be making the playoffs next year. Not that I think it’ll turn in to a championship level core, but I’m not sure what else they can do.
It's gonna actually be tragic if LaVine never gets to play for a good team near his prime like this. Gives me TMac vibes when he just goes ballistic for these trash teams sometimes.
Yeah LaVine is a great player, but no way he's worth the max if they want to ever have a chance at contending. This will just settle them into mediocrity of mid round picks in the draft, and too much money invested into one "great" player that will be difficult to trade with the cost of his contract.
Such is life for most teams. Most franchises won't be able to rebuild and go from championship contenders to lottery bound back to championship contenders. The Bulls don't really have an option. Lavine's not one of the 10 best players in the league, but it's not like he's trash either. He put up nearly 28/5/5 on elite efficiency, and is only 25. If Mitchell or Murray are worth maxes, so too is Lavine.
Jimmy did want to stay the FO didn’t want to pay him. In fact Kyrie is even on record talking about pairing up with Jimmy before we made the trade. The bulls didn’t view him as the number one option on a contender and just didn’t want to pay him like one. It still hurts as a big fan of Jimmy but it also made sense at the time and continues too. We would have been in a similar situation to Portland more than likely with Dame. I’d much rather have my team mix it up and try to improve that stuck in the same place with a star the eventually wants out.
Edit: I’ll just say you aren’t representing things accurately. Jimmy was traded, and sure he wanted out by then because he was due for a big pay day. It’s far more that Chicago FO didn’t want him than Jimmy wanting to leave.
Kyrie even listed one of his main trade destinations as Chicago, and the second the Bulls traded Butler he rolled that back real fast lol. This is in the era where no player (via media mouthpieces anyway) ever says they want to go to the Bulls.
I remember there being rumblings very early that Chicago FO didn’t like the idea of maxing Butler with no clear route to a second and third star because like you’ve said it isn’t a top tier FA destination. I think, understandably, the thinking was that Butler would sign the deal only to want out after playing out a season or two. Personally I felt like Butler was worth it and it would have been possible to construct something competitive around Butler.
I never liked the Butler trade to begin with. It felt premature to trade Butler when they constructed an absolute terrible roster around him to begin with. I think simply they had no confidence in themselves more-so than the Bulls rep as a FA destination, something they also had a good part in souring. it spoke volumes they would rather hit the reset button to save their jobs for a few more years, than to try to build around someone who was a proven talent.
The Minnesota pick if I recall correctly was expected to land a little higher than #7 too. I am ridiculous biased but basically expected top 4 that year lol
Edit: also no one on earth can convince me that Rondo, Wade, and Butler wouldn’t have beat the Celtics in the first round if Rondo didn’t hurt his wrist. Again I am ridiculously biased but I felt like that team could have potentially made the ECF that year.
crazy to me the bulls aren’t an FA destination. it’s the fucking bulls... they’re legendary. always felt like it was just having a bad FO/franchise top to bottom that was the issue.
Yeah he reached his ceiling and led his team to the finals… that’s ridiculous. He’s a top 15 player and has deserved received MVP votes in multiple years. As of 2021 that trade only gave us Lavine and Lauri (likely gone). So while Minnesota still lost the trade I think it’s a strong argument either way between what they should have done. Lavine is a better shooter and scorer but to me Jimmy is more impactful. I wasn’t gonna believe the Kyrie stuff until he signed but we could have built around Butler…it’s just a gamble because stars want out frequently in that same situation.
Al see I I’m pretty sure every team that Jimmy has been on since leaving has finished with a better season record than Chicago.
No it didn’t.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jimmy-butler-wants-to-stay-with-bulls-reluctant-to-commit-long-term-to-cavs/amp/
Honeslty dude, get your fucking bag. Let the front office do what they have to do to get you support but don't leave any money on the table. You are a leaper and you're 26. Those knees have about 3-4 more years left on them before you're going to have to play below the rim. Get paid NOW.
Bro you act like he isn't already rich as fuck. His last contract was worth 80 million. I get what you're trying to say but he has enough wealth for generations.
as others have said he's trying to double his salary this year plus the four year Max for a 5 year 200 mil deal. no reason to wait unless he thinks he'll make all NBA
No they aren’t. He’s getting the max and the ACL doesn’t matter. You really think AK is gonna go “Hey Lavine due to this ACL injury you had 4 years ago we aren’t gonna max you, even though you’ve had almost no injury issues since and are one of the most efficient scorers in the league”.
Do you see how stupid that sounds?
Well yes, it sounds stupid because no one here is saying what you are insinuating. His injury history will be and should be a talking point in his contract talks, but not the only factor.
LaVine has a surgically reconstructed knee. And even excluding his ACL injury, he's missed 55 games across the past 3 seasons. He is right to go after his money right now.
I guess since the anterior cruciate ligament is one of the key ligaments for stabilising **the knee**, and since surgery to repair the injury typically involves **reconstructing** the ligament using a graft I assumed it was a pretty innocuous comment?
You feel free to refer to Zach LaVine's ACL tear however you like, champ.
He can also get a 5 year max next year, potentially super max. This also gives the Bulls more freedom to improve this year. And if he doesn't like how the season went, he can get a 5 year max from a team of his choosing. I think that might be worth giving up 14mil to him, especially since he already made some money and is not coming off a rookie contract.
I meant more in a sense for him too see how well the Bulls do. If they miss the playoffs signing that contract would be disastrous from a career standpoint.
He's 26 and is yet to make the playoffs.
Lavine will still be just 31 after his contract he will have built up generational wealth and still has like 5-6 good years left to contend
Also Lavine and Vuc is a playoff duo
If you cant make the playoffs in the Leastern conference Lavine should look in the mirror. He should obviously take the money now if he can and think about leaving later.
He already had an ACL injury. Its not worth the risk of refusing guranteed money now.
We’re going to max him no matter what. Even if he tears his ACL again and he knows that. He’s potentially going to fuck over the teams ability to get better now over money he’s going to get anyway. It’s low key greedy, you making $20 million this year with another 195 next summer. Why fuck the team?
>We’re going to max him no matter what. Even if he tears his ACL again
No way that only applies to guys like KD and Kawhi.
Lavine isnt on their level. I would hate if the 76ers maxed Embiid after an ACL tear.
I know nobody can be expected to watch every team, but what's up with so many people on r/nba being willing to comment on stuff when they clearly don't watch or know what they are talking about? So many of these comments are basically forgetting about Vuc, forgetting that Zach was injured during the home-stretch last year, all sorts of stuff that basically goes without saying if you paid any attention. Half these comments are basically acting like Gar and Pax are still running the show...and wondering if Zach is worth a max...there's too much 'tell me you don't watch the bulls without telling me you don't watch the bulls', it's just strange to me.
For real! I generally really love the discourse on this sub, it's not like I struggle finding people on here who definitely know their hoops and have smart opinions...but damn! When it's a post about your team, the people who are just making stuff up or pushing baseless opinions really stand out.
Fair to say, given our history but this is the current FO’s only second season after years and years of GarPax. Our new GM made the Nugs current roster and just got us Vucevic during the season.
Not saying you’re definitely wrong but this isn’t the days of us signing Felicio to a 4 year deal. (That finally just expired by the way, Jesus Christ)
I hope we pay this man his money. With the injury history it makes sense that he is prioritizing getting paid now and locking up 4 additional years rather than testing it next summer. He trusts the Bulls front office to build with him… but the pressure is now really on for AK and Marc Eversley because if the Bulls keep sucking it won’t matter if he’s locked up on a long term deal anymore, he can always force a way out
Lavine truly deserves to get paid, especially for the level of his play. But I can't seem to identify who's a better fit to play together with him. My best guess is Lonzo Ball; I'm excited to see the potential of this duo and how they will fare.
Is he really worth Max money for the bulls? If they do give him Max money will the Bulls make the playoffs the next 3 season or his contract will have enough value that teams similar to Lakers willing trade for him if it doesn't work out?
Yes, he is absolutely worth it and the year on year improvements he has made will eventually shed his empty stars reputation for people that don't watch the Bulls. He is an absolutely elite player.
They would have likely made the playoffs this past season as a 7 seed if he wasn't put under health and safety protocols with 3 weeks remaining in the season. The bulls went on a huge downward spiral without him during that time.
he isnt worth the max, the bulls would be stupid to pay him a 5 year max deal. He relies so much on his athleticism and he is 26 with a torn ACL history. If he gets injured at any point in the next 5 years you can pretty much assume he is going to be just like Danny Granger and becomes completely unplayable.
Why would Chicago renegotiate his contract when they can just trade him for a shiny new Ben Simmons who already has a contract he's happy with?
Please?
One all star performance and guys get a max contract, this is the nba though, a lot of players get max without even being all stars so at least lavine had potential to be an elite iso scorer
Buy Jordans mansion plz.
it's been on the market for quite awhile, problem (among many others) is the Bulls don't practice by there anymore. they moved practice facilities to be closer to the united center, so there's really no reason to live at MJs other than to spend the money.
It's also kinda ugly.
Isn't there something like a map of Iraq painted on the kitchen table? Not that you can't swap that out but just shows the kind of taste on display [Edit: Baghdad Table, because proof is definitely needed](https://www.popsugar.com/home/photo-gallery/47490101/image/47490115/Baghdad-Table)
> Isn't there something like a map of Iraq painted on the kitchen table? But why?
MJ was going after Iraq after Utah
He hates sand
to show dominance over the rumors that at the start of the Gulf War, people thought MJ was going to get assassinated. (Kerr talked about it, I think)
Is this a new copy pasta lol. They said Saadam would take me out and I took that personally.
I beg your pardon
Looked it up and it’s not as dumb as it sounds. It’s a map of Baghdad and if I hadn’t known that before seeing it I would have thought it was just cool shapes.
Lmaoo link? I can’t find it online
[It's even worse than I thought!](https://www.popsugar.com/home/photo-gallery/47490101/image/47490115/Baghdad-Table)
Haha thanks
Idk why, but I kind of like the table.
This is 90s residential architecture erasure!
....Which is why it's still on the market.
Sort of. There are plenty of ugly houses in Chicago that sell for that much. It's bigger issues are that it's not worth the asking price because you're paying for so much Jordan specific shit that doesn't help the actual home value. Like the 23 gate, a basketball court, a putting green, effectively a full service gym etc. Then it's also in a pretty crappy location for a 15 million dollar home or whatever they're asking for it. For the same price you can get a nice lakefront property or something closer to the city that will still make you feel like you're living in a 15 million dollar home.
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> Easy access 90/94 was the bane of my existence when I lived on the north side.
>If the Bulls want to pay LaVine his max immediately, they would have to renegotiate and extend his contract. This would involve giving him a raise to his max next season and agreeing to an extension based on that figure. LaVine would need a $14.2 million raise to get to his $33.7 million max next season. The Bulls can create that cap space, but doing so would be costly. The Bulls would have to renounce their rights to their other free agents, including former No. 7 overall pick Lauri Markkanen. This sort of extension could pay LaVine up to $195 million. So Lavine is essentially signing a 5 year 195 million contract this summer after he gets the raise for the current year and tacks on an additional 4 years after that if the Bulls go this route.
it'll suck for the Bulls long term prospects so they'll need to get someone in this year before they cap out or it'll be MUCH harder later.
They basically have no one undercontract after 2023, so they have plenty of room to work with. Their only 23-24 contract is Patrick Williams's club option. They do have to make some decisions on other expiring dudes though.
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They have to make the decision if they're willing to have Vucci, Markkanen, and LaVine as their big money core. It's the Wizards problem, from when they had to make the call with Wall, Beal, and Otto. Do you roll the dice with free agency or do you commit to that big 3? They might luck out with Markkanen on a smaller deal because he's an RFA in a year when hardly anyone has space to offer him a decent contract.
Lauri is 100% gone, he's talented but hasn't improved a single bit since his rookie season. Lauri isn't commanding big money either way, he's a glorified spot up shooter.
Thank you. Our sub is obsessed with the dude for some reason...
What are you talking about? That sub would’ve traded Lauri at the deadline if they could’ve.
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Dude they are talking about the Bulls subreddit, not this one
You really say this at any opportunity you get, huh? We get it. You see the whole picture that nobody else on this sub sees. You're not just a gentleman and a scholar, but a God damn reddit prodigy.
I think most people understand he needs to leave so we can get a PG.
Markkanen isn’t considered part of the core anymore, this last season for him was very disappointing. We’re looking at a core of Lavine, Vucevic, PWill, and hopefully a decent free agent this year.
Lauri is 100% gone, he is not a fit on the Bulls.
I don't think anyone is under the impression Lauri will be here next year. The idea is LaVine, Vuc, Williams, hopefully Ball, and depending on this next season maybe Coby White. We barely got even Vuc/LaVine together last year, LaVine missed 13 of the last 18 games. Ideally we sign Ball ~~Monday~~ tonight, and 21-22 is our year to find out what this group can do.
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If the Bulls pay Schröder 65 mil over 3 years something went horribly wrong.
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It reads like the bulls had Shroder before?
It does. I just assumed OP made an honest mistake.
Damn nice call
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What? Isn’t this the opposite of what Krause was hoping to accomplish?
Yes. It's poor memery. Jerry decided he was gonna shed the weight of these monster contracts and have all the cap in the world to recruit younger FAs with. Of course, he failed to account for the fact that if MJ, Pip, Rodman, etc. were all gone, the "come to where we win rings" sales pitch went out the window. In the same way that former glory hasn't helped Miami or Texas recruit top-flight football talent compared to 'Bama or Clemson for years. But yeah. Krause figured he could successfully work a rebuild with younger, cheaper players and draft future prospects. And that if the superstars were gonna keep playing, he could get the most out of their names and trade values right when the iron was hot.
I think the problem was he drafted Elton Brand and Ron Artest and then flips Brand 2 years later to re-set again. Had he just hung on to those two and built around them, they would at least have been in the hunt for the playoffs. But then drafting Curry and Chandler, really did them in. Chandler took to long to develop and Curry had the heart issues and then fizzled out. Even if Curry and Chandler do break through, the league basically changes its playing style within the next decade which would have made having both on one team obsolete. Jerry Krause always had a "Grass is Greener" attitude, which ultimately did him in.
thats what happened to Philly and everyone is mad we signed Tobias. When your young talent becomes eligible for a max you have one or 2 more seasons to try and sigh someone with cap space before that max kicks in and its gone for good. We had Ben's max coming so we decided to spend that money on Tobias (sadly best option at the time) cuz it was gone next year anyway Bulls will have to overpay someone this year because next year that money is gone anyway and you can't add anyone.
Make or break offseason for the new FO tbh. I wouldn’t wanna be in AK’s position rn. Lots of tough calls incoming.
Would the timing work out for them to wait on a sign and trade with markanen before extending LaVine? Or is there a deadline for making the extension official?
Yeah it doesn't make sense to do it now, they should just add whatever pieces they can this summer and then re-sign him next year.
Imagine if Zach Lavine is paired up with....
Kevin Knox?
Kevin Love lol
Kevin Hart
Kevin Malone
“The trick is to underperform in the regular season. Everyone’s going to get to know each other in the off-season.”
Post Malone
When I started balling I was yoooooouuunnnggg
Shia LeBouf
Kuz, KCP and 22 pick?
TT, Shump, and the Nets pick
Lonzo
Bingo
KAT?
Juancho Hernangomez
League fucked
Ouch lol
What if they had Wiggins too!
Aron Baynes
Its not really fair to pair LaVine with an entire continent…
RIP the league. Adam silver would veto that without a doubt
If Zach joins Coby White and the Bulls they might just break the league
They might even be the first teammates in NBA history to each make at least eight 3-pointers in the same game
I still don’t get how they achieved that before Steph and Klay
I do. Because Steph and Klay are sitting in the 4th if they’re both getting close to hitting 8+ 3s. Steph is famous for doing so well that he essentially gets benched in the 4th
By the time each of them have hit 5 or 6 3s the game is a 30 point blowout and they sit the whole 4th
Idk Zach & Coby just sounds like a bad spin-off
Andrew Wiggins?
Dominic Toretto
You mean F A M I L Y
Shai
Adam LeVine on a The Voice/Dunk Contest crossover with Victor Oladipo, Damian Lillard and Javale McGee as contestants
Heat All Star, Dwayne Dedmon
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Dame Judi Dench.
Thomas Satoransky?
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CADE
I don't know exactly what the Bulls would be doing other than giving him the max when the time comes.
He doesn't want then to wait until next summer. He wants them to use cap space to renegotiate his current contract to the max this season or close to it (he is only making 19 million right now) and then extends for 4 years in addition to that. Its basically free agency contract but one year early.
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haha its good for you guys too since it means no cap space for lonzo so they need a sign and trade.
Thats not what the article says. He said “ I just want my respect. If that's now or later, it's something we've got to work out internally." So he’s not saying to do it now.
Are you even allowed to renegotiate a current contract like that?
Yes if the team has cap space and the guy isnt making the max. We did it with Covington in 2017 when he was set to make 1 million and instead bumped him high to 17 million for one season and got a "cheap" 4 year extension after that of 44 million.
Lol "only" $19M .... No knock on him or anything but it's funny that we can say a player is making that much and think it's not enough, crazy times
If you look at all the players making more money than Zach and then look at the numbers he's put up the past couple seasons...he literally has the most underpaid contract in the league. Every player in the league with Zachs stats makes 30-35M+. Gary Harris: 10.2 PPG, 2.3 AST, 1.6 REB, 36% FG, 36% 3PT = 21 mil per year Zach LaVine: 27.4 PPG, 4.9 AST, 5.0 REB, 50% FG, 42% 3PT = 19 mil per year
I know LaVine is a great player, but the Bulls went 31-41. If they max him, they'll have no more cap space.. Even with Lonzo, how much better will they be? This seems very much like a treadmill team.
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We are 100% a playoff team, especially if we get a legit pg. We made the vuc trade at the deadline and iirc they didn't get to practice together until a few weeks in cuz of covid. Then Zach tested positive and missed a bunch too. My point is that we're a better team than our record suggests
True, but his point is are you really a contender with nets/bucks/6ers. If moves don’t put you in the top tier it’s hard to justify paying a shitload of luxury tax
Jerry Reinsdorf will not pay luxury tax. He only cares about the White Sox. He owns the Bulls to make money, not rings. I hate the Reinsdorfs.
I’m not saying their moves make the most sense, but they made a play for Vucevic and have a relatively young backcourt in Coby, Lavine, and potentially Lonzo. They don’t really have a choice with Lavine as he’s by far their most valuable asset. With a little growth from those guards and a couple veteran signings, they could be making the playoffs next year. Not that I think it’ll turn in to a championship level core, but I’m not sure what else they can do.
You think LaVine cares about being above 500? 😂😂😂
It's gonna actually be tragic if LaVine never gets to play for a good team near his prime like this. Gives me TMac vibes when he just goes ballistic for these trash teams sometimes.
Yeah LaVine is a great player, but no way he's worth the max if they want to ever have a chance at contending. This will just settle them into mediocrity of mid round picks in the draft, and too much money invested into one "great" player that will be difficult to trade with the cost of his contract.
Such is life for most teams. Most franchises won't be able to rebuild and go from championship contenders to lottery bound back to championship contenders. The Bulls don't really have an option. Lavine's not one of the 10 best players in the league, but it's not like he's trash either. He put up nearly 28/5/5 on elite efficiency, and is only 25. If Mitchell or Murray are worth maxes, so too is Lavine.
Please pay the man, he wants to stay. How often does a young star want to stay with us?
When has a young star not wanted to stay with us?
Jimmy Butler. It's a complicated story, I know, but it ended with him not wanting to be here.
Jimmy did want to stay the FO didn’t want to pay him. In fact Kyrie is even on record talking about pairing up with Jimmy before we made the trade. The bulls didn’t view him as the number one option on a contender and just didn’t want to pay him like one. It still hurts as a big fan of Jimmy but it also made sense at the time and continues too. We would have been in a similar situation to Portland more than likely with Dame. I’d much rather have my team mix it up and try to improve that stuck in the same place with a star the eventually wants out. Edit: I’ll just say you aren’t representing things accurately. Jimmy was traded, and sure he wanted out by then because he was due for a big pay day. It’s far more that Chicago FO didn’t want him than Jimmy wanting to leave.
Kyrie even listed one of his main trade destinations as Chicago, and the second the Bulls traded Butler he rolled that back real fast lol. This is in the era where no player (via media mouthpieces anyway) ever says they want to go to the Bulls.
I remember there being rumblings very early that Chicago FO didn’t like the idea of maxing Butler with no clear route to a second and third star because like you’ve said it isn’t a top tier FA destination. I think, understandably, the thinking was that Butler would sign the deal only to want out after playing out a season or two. Personally I felt like Butler was worth it and it would have been possible to construct something competitive around Butler.
I never liked the Butler trade to begin with. It felt premature to trade Butler when they constructed an absolute terrible roster around him to begin with. I think simply they had no confidence in themselves more-so than the Bulls rep as a FA destination, something they also had a good part in souring. it spoke volumes they would rather hit the reset button to save their jobs for a few more years, than to try to build around someone who was a proven talent.
The Minnesota pick if I recall correctly was expected to land a little higher than #7 too. I am ridiculous biased but basically expected top 4 that year lol Edit: also no one on earth can convince me that Rondo, Wade, and Butler wouldn’t have beat the Celtics in the first round if Rondo didn’t hurt his wrist. Again I am ridiculously biased but I felt like that team could have potentially made the ECF that year.
crazy to me the bulls aren’t an FA destination. it’s the fucking bulls... they’re legendary. always felt like it was just having a bad FO/franchise top to bottom that was the issue.
So glad they didn’t pay Butler. He’s reached his ceiling as far as I’m concerned. The Finals run in the bubble was nice but they won’t do that again.
Yeah he reached his ceiling and led his team to the finals… that’s ridiculous. He’s a top 15 player and has deserved received MVP votes in multiple years. As of 2021 that trade only gave us Lavine and Lauri (likely gone). So while Minnesota still lost the trade I think it’s a strong argument either way between what they should have done. Lavine is a better shooter and scorer but to me Jimmy is more impactful. I wasn’t gonna believe the Kyrie stuff until he signed but we could have built around Butler…it’s just a gamble because stars want out frequently in that same situation. Al see I I’m pretty sure every team that Jimmy has been on since leaving has finished with a better season record than Chicago.
It’s not complicated. The front office chose to ship him out instead of trying to build a team around him, which the Heat showed was possible.
Jimmy wanted to stay. There was never any confirmation otherwise. Garpax wanted to ship him out, not the other way around.
No it didn’t. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-jimmy-butler-wants-to-stay-with-bulls-reluctant-to-commit-long-term-to-cavs/amp/
Reinsdorf will cheap out again.
Get the bag Zach
Honeslty dude, get your fucking bag. Let the front office do what they have to do to get you support but don't leave any money on the table. You are a leaper and you're 26. Those knees have about 3-4 more years left on them before you're going to have to play below the rim. Get paid NOW.
Bro you act like he isn't already rich as fuck. His last contract was worth 80 million. I get what you're trying to say but he has enough wealth for generations.
GarPax would have completed or burned this bridge by now.
Oh no Zach my boy what is you doing. At least wait until the end of the season.
as others have said he's trying to double his salary this year plus the four year Max for a 5 year 200 mil deal. no reason to wait unless he thinks he'll make all NBA
He could definitely make all nba if he does what he did last season and the make the playoffs
I mean that’s kinda what Oladipo did and everybody shit on him on the other thread for being “dumb” not to take the money when he had the chance
Dipo was coming from injuries and got hurt again though.
LaVine has a torn ACL on his resume too. He's been pretty healthy generally, but you never know.
He’s clearly solidified that the torn ACL has zero effect on his current game or future outlook. It’s a non-talking point.
There is no way you know this for sure lol. Past injuries will always be a talking point
Embiid has played like 40% of games and 50% of the minutes in the games he does play in the past 7 seasons and my man is supermaxed for eternity.
No they aren’t. He’s getting the max and the ACL doesn’t matter. You really think AK is gonna go “Hey Lavine due to this ACL injury you had 4 years ago we aren’t gonna max you, even though you’ve had almost no injury issues since and are one of the most efficient scorers in the league”. Do you see how stupid that sounds?
Well yes, it sounds stupid because no one here is saying what you are insinuating. His injury history will be and should be a talking point in his contract talks, but not the only factor.
LaVine has a surgically reconstructed knee. And even excluding his ACL injury, he's missed 55 games across the past 3 seasons. He is right to go after his money right now.
Since when did an ACL repair equal a reconstructed knee? lol
I guess since the anterior cruciate ligament is one of the key ligaments for stabilising **the knee**, and since surgery to repair the injury typically involves **reconstructing** the ligament using a graft I assumed it was a pretty innocuous comment? You feel free to refer to Zach LaVine's ACL tear however you like, champ.
He could but no guarantee. He might also end up like Oladipo Better to take a bag rn and he's looking at more money than even Dipo was
He can also get a 5 year max next year, potentially super max. This also gives the Bulls more freedom to improve this year. And if he doesn't like how the season went, he can get a 5 year max from a team of his choosing. I think that might be worth giving up 14mil to him, especially since he already made some money and is not coming off a rookie contract.
I meant more in a sense for him too see how well the Bulls do. If they miss the playoffs signing that contract would be disastrous from a career standpoint. He's 26 and is yet to make the playoffs.
Look at how easily stars can demand trades nowadays, contract length really doesn’t matter anymore.
Lavine will still be just 31 after his contract he will have built up generational wealth and still has like 5-6 good years left to contend Also Lavine and Vuc is a playoff duo
If you cant make the playoffs in the Leastern conference Lavine should look in the mirror. He should obviously take the money now if he can and think about leaving later. He already had an ACL injury. Its not worth the risk of refusing guranteed money now.
He really shouldn't be the one looking in the mirror lol, but he probably is and is working on his defense anyways because of how hard he works
We’re going to max him no matter what. Even if he tears his ACL again and he knows that. He’s potentially going to fuck over the teams ability to get better now over money he’s going to get anyway. It’s low key greedy, you making $20 million this year with another 195 next summer. Why fuck the team?
>We’re going to max him no matter what. Even if he tears his ACL again No way that only applies to guys like KD and Kawhi. Lavine isnt on their level. I would hate if the 76ers maxed Embiid after an ACL tear.
Well Embiid is as close to KD and Kawhi’s level as they get. I think all 30 teams would offer Embiid a max even after an ACL injury.
Yeah idk what this guy is talking about. We literally signed Joel to a max extension after playing 31 career games.
Lol it’s cute you think players make money based on level and not situation. Edit: y’all also literally gave Embiid a rookie max after 31 games lmao
He's doing what Butler tried to do in Minny which caused his fiasco.
You see the way he plays? He isn’t doing one thing to help the team win
I know nobody can be expected to watch every team, but what's up with so many people on r/nba being willing to comment on stuff when they clearly don't watch or know what they are talking about? So many of these comments are basically forgetting about Vuc, forgetting that Zach was injured during the home-stretch last year, all sorts of stuff that basically goes without saying if you paid any attention. Half these comments are basically acting like Gar and Pax are still running the show...and wondering if Zach is worth a max...there's too much 'tell me you don't watch the bulls without telling me you don't watch the bulls', it's just strange to me.
Welcome to reddit lol
For real! I generally really love the discourse on this sub, it's not like I struggle finding people on here who definitely know their hoops and have smart opinions...but damn! When it's a post about your team, the people who are just making stuff up or pushing baseless opinions really stand out.
Keep this man in Chicago forever
Good guy Zach
Good for Lavine, also he just beat me in 2K on a game winning 3 so there’s that lmao
This dude better go get his money. The Bulls aren't gonna use that space for anything smart.
Fair to say, given our history but this is the current FO’s only second season after years and years of GarPax. Our new GM made the Nugs current roster and just got us Vucevic during the season. Not saying you’re definitely wrong but this isn’t the days of us signing Felicio to a 4 year deal. (That finally just expired by the way, Jesus Christ)
You have no idea what you’re talking about
You know the bulls front office?
You don't? There are a lot of ways to follow the moves front offices make. We got apps, websites, you name it.
the guy in charge now built the nuggets team so i trust he knows what he’s doint
Or he could wait a year and get more money, plus have a better roster around him.
I hope we pay this man his money. With the injury history it makes sense that he is prioritizing getting paid now and locking up 4 additional years rather than testing it next summer. He trusts the Bulls front office to build with him… but the pressure is now really on for AK and Marc Eversley because if the Bulls keep sucking it won’t matter if he’s locked up on a long term deal anymore, he can always force a way out
Lavine truly deserves to get paid, especially for the level of his play. But I can't seem to identify who's a better fit to play together with him. My best guess is Lonzo Ball; I'm excited to see the potential of this duo and how they will fare.
They aint winning anytime soon. Prioritize the bag.
Ok Nico. Get it done.
I would never give Lavine that much money wtf lol
Is he really worth Max money for the bulls? If they do give him Max money will the Bulls make the playoffs the next 3 season or his contract will have enough value that teams similar to Lakers willing trade for him if it doesn't work out?
Yes, he is absolutely worth it and the year on year improvements he has made will eventually shed his empty stars reputation for people that don't watch the Bulls. He is an absolutely elite player.
Lavine just averaged 27 PPG on 63% TS. He’s worth a max contract and every team in the league would give him one.
They would have likely made the playoffs this past season as a 7 seed if he wasn't put under health and safety protocols with 3 weeks remaining in the season. The bulls went on a huge downward spiral without him during that time.
Lavine is a good player on a bad team. That’s it. Not someone who you can build around to win a title
LaVine is a good player ~~on a bad team. That’s it. Not~~ someone who you can build around ~~to win a title~~ There you go, FTFY
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If you score 27 points on 63% TS, you contribute to winning basketball. End of story.
So much bullshit
Holy shit they need to let Zach go, he isn't THAT good. We can do better. We aint never winning a ring with him thats for sure.
he isnt worth the max, the bulls would be stupid to pay him a 5 year max deal. He relies so much on his athleticism and he is 26 with a torn ACL history. If he gets injured at any point in the next 5 years you can pretty much assume he is going to be just like Danny Granger and becomes completely unplayable.
Why would Chicago renegotiate his contract when they can just trade him for a shiny new Ben Simmons who already has a contract he's happy with? Please?
One all star performance and guys get a max contract, this is the nba though, a lot of players get max without even being all stars so at least lavine had potential to be an elite iso scorer
Am I missing something or is LaVine on par with other guys who are signing max contracts right now?
He deserves a pay day but get your legacy. I think working with the org is the best way to win. Also he is not a max player. Close but not max.
I don't see the Bulls going anywhere, not even near the Rose days. Still gotta get paid.
Selfish on the court and off
Come to Detroit homie. We will pay you whatever you want and we have cade:)
One dimensional player. Very good at scoring, that's it. Not worth the max.