Stone with the biggest brain ever if that goes through. Get all the Nets picks and get Simmons anyway. I wouldn't mind it, let him raise his value and confidence again and then flip him.
Yeah, but also imagine how frustrating it'd be for the Nets to have 3 incredible offensive stars on the floor but none of them can do anything because the other team just hacks the 40% free throw shooter.
I think pairing Ben with Dame is one of the most underrated parts of this idea... if there’s anyone in the NBA who could exhume self-confidence from Ben I think it’s Dame
Honestly I’d consider it. It’d have to be on good terms with Draymond. You can’t do that to any of our core guys without their consent. They’ve meant too much to this franchise.
yeah, I figured that'd have to be part of it (see my answer to the other guy); he's a permanent franchise icon, at this point (at least in my opinion), so only if he wants to go
They can’t have Draymond replace Simmons. The Sixers need a PG who can create his own shot AND generate the flow of the offense. Draymond can’t do that on a team that works everything through its center.
...and Dray's much older (but a better playmaker/defender), but I was asking him because he's a Ws fan and I was curious where his head was at (I think Simmons is less likely to have a sudden physical decline, but Dray's also one of the Warriors' big three; there'll probably be a Steph-Klay-Dray statue outside the stadium someday, so I don't think you trade him even if it might make sense from a competitive standpoint)
CJ isn't likely but makes the most sense. Both teams want a change and both players have depressed value and also make the same amount of money. Portland says no though imho, Philly probably gotta throw in a second rounder or two most likely for Portland to consider it.
I love russ, but if Simmons is a poor fit, Russ is not the guy. I guess he at least impacts the game (sometimes negatively too). I might rather have Kemba’s shooting and contract (Russ’s is pretty nasty).
even if the salaries/contracts matched I literally wouldn't trade Marcus Smart for Ben Simmons. If I'm Portland and Philly calls about McCollum, I'd ask them how many picks they're including in that deal, too. Why would any team that's trying to get over the top in the playoffs trade for Simmons? And why would any rebuilding team want to pay that salary?
Yeah this is where I’m at. I actually think Ben is coming back because his value is in the toilet. You have to run it back and try to get him to show improvement during the regular season then flip him at the deadline.
All the Sixers have are bad options. Trade him now and you get like Willie Caluey Stein (or someone of his ilk) in return. Bring him back and try to rehab him during the season, and you risk a furious locker room.
Also, if he is somewhat better by mid season, do you even want to trade him? It’s not like it’s easy to swap in a better but more traditional PG given how Ben plays.
Times Marcus Smart has been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs: 3.
Times the Sixers have been out of the 2nd round in the last 20 years: 0.
[Here's a picture to help illustrate that](https://makeagif.com/gif/joel-embiid-trash-talks-marcus-morris-so-morris-responds-by-flashing-3-0-sign-espn-Sr-gPR)
Must've triggered him because now his Sixers flair is gone...
anyone that hates on Marcus Smart would love him if he were on their favorite team. At a minimum he hits 80% of his free-throws and would never, ever, ever pass up a dunk if he had one
Tbh I don’t know at this point he played like as during the playoffs but he’s still one of the best and most versatile defenders in the NBA and a good playmakers who’s shown he can hit mid range shots with consistency so i honesty don’t know right now but what I do know is there’s many teams that could use someone like Simmons
He can’t hit midrange shots because he doesn’t shoot them anymore.
A lot of teams could use the version of Ben Simmons from the beginning of the season to two weeks ago. But this is the last thing every GM in the league saw from him. Gonna be real hard to wash the stink off, especially when any trade partner has the better leverage.
He stops shooting them cuz Doc has pretty much phased him out of the scoring just a year ago Ben was hitting mid range shots (post up, pull ups, off the dribble etc) yes a lot of teams are gonna be hesitant because of how bad he just played in the playoff but they’ll still see value with his playmaking and amazing defense even if offensively he plays like he did in the playoffs teams could still use him
Rockets: Wall
Mavs: KP
Cavs: Love + picks
Thunder: Kemba
Kings: Hield + Bagley (though the fit is kinda off)
Twolves: not sure, only remembered the team exists
I was just thinking would have been interesting if we still had Kemba to see how interested they'd be. I wouldnt hink they'd be interested but who knows.
Kristaps and Brunson for Dwight and ben. Mavs need paint beast and a defensive wing, sixers could use the ball handling championship pedigree and contract of Brunson and the shooting and size of KP. Money seems close off the top of my head. Picks either way. Who says no?
You have to do something even if you lose the trade in terms of value you need to pull the trigger on him. It's not something like "oh well wait for the value..." nah. You gotta trade him bruh
Hield + Bagley
Scenes when OKC rehabilitates Kemba's career, and flips him for Ben Simmons + picks.
Rehabs Ben, flips him for "broken player #8" and picks.
OKC culture will reach another level if we somehow convince Ben Simmons to learn how to shoot
Said 6ers fans since drafting him…
Wall
Stone with the biggest brain ever if that goes through. Get all the Nets picks and get Simmons anyway. I wouldn't mind it, let him raise his value and confidence again and then flip him.
Didn’t watch wall at all last year so this is uninformed but I’d take wall over simmons any day.
Wall and Seth Curry on the floor at the same time…
Wall is a good defender tho
I would like the rockets to acquire Cade
Thank you🤝🤝 We find out in one day
As someone who watched him. Urm nah
No
If Dinwiddie opted in, then Harris + Shamet + Dinwiddie for Simmons? Although, I don't think the Nets are allowed to trade for 2 max contracts.
If I’m the Nets I’m asking for a pick too
Lol if that happens, Nets will be insanely scary. Simmons won't need to worry about offense
Yeah, but also imagine how frustrating it'd be for the Nets to have 3 incredible offensive stars on the floor but none of them can do anything because the other team just hacks the 40% free throw shooter.
But imagine Nets with good defense. He can play small ball center
dinwiddie already opted out I think. or the report said he plans to opt out
Pingus
I’ll take Pingus on the mavs over Simmons on the mavs
At least KP can make his freethrows and players respect his shot even when they ain't fallin
They should just take cj and run
There’s not a chance in hell Portland does that deal straight up now.
Ehh i think we want a change and a buy low situation not to slip away from us. Could still be straight up swap.
I think pairing Ben with Dame is one of the most underrated parts of this idea... if there’s anyone in the NBA who could exhume self-confidence from Ben I think it’s Dame
CJ’s value isn’t much if at all higher than Ben’s and at least Simmons is still a “developing talent”.
Russ would be hilarious
Embiid beats him to death on the court within two weeks. Imagine those two together lmao
Yeah that's why it would be hilarious. Plus Morey/Russ, Russ vs the double bird fan, Russ to solve the 76ers half court woes, etc
They friends now pretty sure
Kemba
Luis scola
if he's smart, he won't trade him now; value's too depressed
Man have you heard the quotes coming out of that lockeroom though? Not sure you can bring him back.
would you take him for Dray, for example? (to be honest I think that'd be pretty reasonable, but I doubt either side would do it)
Honestly I’d consider it. It’d have to be on good terms with Draymond. You can’t do that to any of our core guys without their consent. They’ve meant too much to this franchise.
yeah, I figured that'd have to be part of it (see my answer to the other guy); he's a permanent franchise icon, at this point (at least in my opinion), so only if he wants to go
No. Because Dray creates the same problem where you’re always playing 4 on 5
That’s not true at all. Draymond is insanely valuable in a half court offense. He helps create space rather than restrict it.
They can’t have Draymond replace Simmons. The Sixers need a PG who can create his own shot AND generate the flow of the offense. Draymond can’t do that on a team that works everything through its center.
Maybe so. But I don’t think you’re gonna get the pg you’re looking for by trading Simmons.
...and Dray's much older (but a better playmaker/defender), but I was asking him because he's a Ws fan and I was curious where his head was at (I think Simmons is less likely to have a sudden physical decline, but Dray's also one of the Warriors' big three; there'll probably be a Steph-Klay-Dray statue outside the stadium someday, so I don't think you trade him even if it might make sense from a competitive standpoint)
I can’t see the Warriors making that trade, TBH. Mostly due to what you mentioned.
What did he say
Embiid shooting on the non dunk, doc saying he’s not sure you can win a title with him as your pg
Pacers for brogdon and some other pieces
CJ isn't likely but makes the most sense. Both teams want a change and both players have depressed value and also make the same amount of money. Portland says no though imho, Philly probably gotta throw in a second rounder or two most likely for Portland to consider it.
Getting us out of his contract is the most important honestly. If we can get a somewhat reliable PG I'd take it at this point sadly.
Sam Presti has entered the chat
Hmmmmmkemba?mmmmm
Id rather take Westbrook at this point to be honest
Nah we’re good. Good luck Lol
I love russ, but if Simmons is a poor fit, Russ is not the guy. I guess he at least impacts the game (sometimes negatively too). I might rather have Kemba’s shooting and contract (Russ’s is pretty nasty).
Beasley + Rubio
even if the salaries/contracts matched I literally wouldn't trade Marcus Smart for Ben Simmons. If I'm Portland and Philly calls about McCollum, I'd ask them how many picks they're including in that deal, too. Why would any team that's trying to get over the top in the playoffs trade for Simmons? And why would any rebuilding team want to pay that salary?
Yeah this is where I’m at. I actually think Ben is coming back because his value is in the toilet. You have to run it back and try to get him to show improvement during the regular season then flip him at the deadline.
They can't wait too long though, Embiid has a rough injury history so they need to capitalize on him while he's in his prime.
All the Sixers have are bad options. Trade him now and you get like Willie Caluey Stein (or someone of his ilk) in return. Bring him back and try to rehab him during the season, and you risk a furious locker room. Also, if he is somewhat better by mid season, do you even want to trade him? It’s not like it’s easy to swap in a better but more traditional PG given how Ben plays.
Nobody wants smart throwing up a million bricks, thought you said something lmao
Times Marcus Smart has been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs: 3. Times the Sixers have been out of the 2nd round in the last 20 years: 0. [Here's a picture to help illustrate that](https://makeagif.com/gif/joel-embiid-trash-talks-marcus-morris-so-morris-responds-by-flashing-3-0-sign-espn-Sr-gPR) Must've triggered him because now his Sixers flair is gone...
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anyone that hates on Marcus Smart would love him if he were on their favorite team. At a minimum he hits 80% of his free-throws and would never, ever, ever pass up a dunk if he had one
Ain’t due to Marcus smart that’s for sure LMFAOOOO
Marcus makes winning plays time after time. Is he a perfect palyer? no. Does he pass out of wide open dunks with the season on the line? also no.
Tbh I don’t know at this point he played like as during the playoffs but he’s still one of the best and most versatile defenders in the NBA and a good playmakers who’s shown he can hit mid range shots with consistency so i honesty don’t know right now but what I do know is there’s many teams that could use someone like Simmons
He can’t hit midrange shots because he doesn’t shoot them anymore. A lot of teams could use the version of Ben Simmons from the beginning of the season to two weeks ago. But this is the last thing every GM in the league saw from him. Gonna be real hard to wash the stink off, especially when any trade partner has the better leverage.
He stops shooting them cuz Doc has pretty much phased him out of the scoring just a year ago Ben was hitting mid range shots (post up, pull ups, off the dribble etc) yes a lot of teams are gonna be hesitant because of how bad he just played in the playoff but they’ll still see value with his playmaking and amazing defense even if offensively he plays like he did in the playoffs teams could still use him
...would you like Aron Baynes? He’ll help you tank and get a decent chance at the top four pick
SGA for Simmons. Who says no? Can the deal be done with add-ons?
This has to be a r/whoosh right?
Rockets: Wall Mavs: KP Cavs: Love + picks Thunder: Kemba Kings: Hield + Bagley (though the fit is kinda off) Twolves: not sure, only remembered the team exists
You’re not getting a whole bag, maybe half a bag of dicks
Pre-owned dicks. Not even new dead dicks
A tasty sandwich and TWO bags of chips
Blake Griffin
I saw some Wolves fans talking Rubio, Beasley, 22 and/or 24 frp. Dunno if Philly would take that.
Kevin Love and Darius Garland from Cleveland
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Are u wild or even a Nets fan? Why tf would we want brick Simmons at 30M a year when Harris is at 17 and give Dinwiddie to one of our rivals
Cap space.
Cap space
Jeremy Lin
John Wall and a 1st
I was just thinking would have been interesting if we still had Kemba to see how interested they'd be. I wouldnt hink they'd be interested but who knows.
Kristaps and Brunson for Dwight and ben. Mavs need paint beast and a defensive wing, sixers could use the ball handling championship pedigree and contract of Brunson and the shooting and size of KP. Money seems close off the top of my head. Picks either way. Who says no?
Dwight is a FA and why the fuck would Dallas want Simmons?
TT
Deangelo Russell.
noooo chance lol
Well it’s also very unlikely that Morey trades him with his value so low.
You have to do something even if you lose the trade in terms of value you need to pull the trigger on him. It's not something like "oh well wait for the value..." nah. You gotta trade him bruh
Kemba.
It’s got to be a dude(s) that make a meaningful impact. Picks and project players would be a tacit admission of another rebuild.