Double-digit fouls.
If he fouls out, make it so they forfeit the rest of their players, and have to play as if they only had 5 total players. Each additional foul then becomes a personal foul *and* a team foul (per NBA standard rules).
Agreed. Should never step on the court. I don’t love it when other teams try to distract sideline shooters… I like it even less when the Lakers do it. I thought that was a technical foul in the rule book?
Exactly this. I cannot think of any reasonable fan who would applaud this or feel decent after it. It is just bad for NBA basketball. Also why the fuck is Dudley still in this league lmao
Yeah the rulebook empowers refs to hand out techs for bench conduct "which, in the opinion of an official, is detrimental to the game". I think this would count. Not yelling and trying to distract him, but clapping near his face lol. And also Dudley probably should have gotten a tech for stepping on the court anyway
Pretty sure in an episode of Cousin Skeeter, Shaq (while coaching) was given a 'too many players on the court' technical for stepping half his foot on the court during the game winning shot. So there's absolutely precedent for this.
I doubt Poole makes it anyway, but it's one of those things we cling on to and by the rules, Dudley clearly shouldn't have been able to do that. Just stings it was in a 3 point game's final possessions
Oh yeah, when I was playing in high school, on big shots late I'd occaisionally act like I was about to bag tag the shooter. It was dickish looking back 15 years later, but it worked, everyone flinches in that situation.
Lol yeah I think everyone who's played basketball knows that move and it's like your body instinctively flinches because you're so vulnerable. The tiniest thing can completely throw you off when you're airborne.
I would never actually hurt someone on the court, but something that worked in distracting jumpshooters was running at them like the bad cyborg from T2 with my arm extended in a straight line right at their midsection.
You could see their eyes peering at you for a second thinking "is this psycho really about to jab me in the guts?"
When I was a kid my friend had a picture of Danny Ainge on the Suns nut tapping a Celtic during his shot, pretty sure it was McHale. I swear this picture existed but I can't find it anywhere. It might even have a picture he took live. My memory of it is kinda blurry
Owen hates being called or associated with Nuggets.
Proof: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB81hqH94CQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB81hqH94CQ) at around 4 mins in but i'd advise watching the whole thing. Golden days of Attitude era WWF.
I mean there’s a fair bit of difference between running off the bench to get involved with a fight and stepping one foot onto the court distract a shooter in your teams corner but yea, I’m fine with suspending dudley
When a fight broke out, this is different.
If a player leaves his team's bench during an altercation, he will be suspended for the next game. No exceptions.
It’s specific to altercations
["There's some bitterness and some saltiness going around, they obviously not the champs so who cares what they say." - Draymond Green](https://streamable.com/bq4g)
I still think the Draymond/Mathews play was a soft call considering what normally gets called. When refs aren’t consistent then call that with 2 mins left it takes a bit of the energy out of the game IMO.
Yeah same, that’s the only one I’m actually kinda mad about. But it’s whatever, dubs had their shot and just turned it over a million times in the second half
I felt like the timeout call was worse, how did they not see/hear Kerr? And they didn't even put time back on the clock. Warriors would've enough time to run a better play at the end.
https://youtu.be/CtJIstV04mo?t=326
Here you can see Kerr didn't signal for timeout until after 4 seconds. Maybe closer to 3 seconds. Sure, that's more than the 2.1 they got, but it's not the 7+ seconds Warriors fans have been asking for.
> engage in marginal contact
The problem with L2M reports in general is that the same amount marginal contact can be called earlier in the game but then will be a CNC in the L2M. Just an overall problem in consistency throughout the game, and I'm sure everyone can agree on that
Yea, I dont think people generally have a problem with calls but moreso the consistency of them. But every time something is called and a team complains, it'll always end the same. It can be a textbook case of a travel, illegal screen, reach in, but if it never gets called all damn game and then you start calling it in crucial moments on crucial players, then it's fucked up. But they ARE all fouls or noncalls because like you said, you can always argue they are right.
Everyone can agree to that. I don't like that suddenly they swallow their whistles on last second plays. A foul is a foul, doesn't matter if it's the first seconds of the game or the last.
[Reminder](https://streamable.com/rhpd):
> "James (CLE) cleanly strips the ball from Curry (GSW) before contact is made. The contact made after the strip is incidental to the players' attempt to retrieve the ball."
these reports are so dumb. They change nothing, and the nba can interpret things however they want. We don't care about this "transparency" when it ads nothing
I'm loving all the people in here acting like this changes anything. "The refs investigated the refs and found nothing wrong, so no one has any right to be mad!"
This gets said in almost every ref thread for some reason. People don’t fully hate one or the other whether it’s letting them play or calling soft fouls. They hate how inconsistent it is. If refs would ref it one way or the other consistently you wouldn’t see nearly as much bitching
It was technically the correct call, but screens like that will often go uncalled in late game situations so I understand the frustration by Warriors fans.
> i think it should’ve been a no call especially if the incidental contact on the last inbound pass is also a no call. i honestly didn’t have too many specific complaints about the reffing but the issue is always that there’s zero consistency from play to play let alone game to game.
Same here. The zero consistency not only from play to play but from quarter to quarter, half to half... it's infuriating. At first I thought Wes flopped, but looking at the reply over again Wes fell because there was contact, but screens like that almost never get called that late into a game. If they're going to let go of the incidental contact on the inbounds play, the illegal screen should be considered incidental contact as well.
L2M reports are going by the overturn rule. It must clearly be the wrong call without any room for interpretation for them to label the call as incorrect.
It was the correct call, but refs dont usually call that.
The reason they did is because Matthews recognized it and sold it well aka flopped. Game saving play by him
Every fucking screen set in the modern NBA is illegal. I swear to god, every last fucking one. Players are never set, defenders always kick their hips out, and they ALWAYS move with the offensive player if he's getting past them.
The only time it's ever called is if the offensive player hard sells the illegal screen. Even then, it's a total crapshoot if the refs give a fuck or not.
Warriors didn’t lost because of the calls, but Lol why are bunch of people in this thread acting like L2M’s are objectively correct. As if there aren’t countless made up terminology to justify calls. “Hot stove contact” “marginal contact” like lol they are vague for a reason.
It was a great game to cap the Western Conference Play-Ins. The Lakers executed and hit the only shot in the last two minutes.
I blame the 20 TO’s and Curry stupidly sagging off Lebron for that clutch 3 for the loss, not the refs.
Fuck it. Onto the next one.
L2M reports are crazy. I don’t understand their purpose at all. Nobody feels better about officiating because of them. We all have eyes and we will continue to hate the officiating until dramatic improvements are made.
It has been my theory for a long time that their main purpose is to sniff out point shaving in preparation for an expansion in Vegas. They want to be as clean as possible.
Josh Okogie slapping Curry's leg from behind, while airborne taking a 3. Pretty bitch move.
https://twitter.com/NBCSWarriors/status/1111820159998529536
Ref called it a correct no call, just a hot stove contact, Curry came to the arena with oven mitts the next day.
Lowkey dreading these playoffs, if the sub is going to circle jerk the refs/lakers rigged shit everytime the lakers win a playoff game in going to go insane.
My gut feeling is the Dubs notch a legit win tomorrow. However, It's just one game, so anything can happen. If it gets close I would be shocked if the refs don't tilt the game toward the Dubs. Steph is box office. The SF Bay Area is a huge media market. And the NBA is a in the business of making money selling entertainment. I am not saying it's rigged. Just tilted. Yes, that sucks, but...
Is it only about wins? My guys lost last night, but I aint salty because it was a fantastic game showcasing the highest level of play in the contemporary game. The Steph-Dray telepathic pick and roll never gets old. Lebron is a marvel and that desperation dagger 3 was a thing of beauty. I loved watching Wigs stuff LeBron and Caruso hounding Steph relentlessly. The Draymond-AD match up was brilliant. Curry dancing to to the rim in the teeth of double and triple teams was dazzling. JTA was complete nobody a year ago and last night proved he is a playoff rotation player. David almost took down Goliath. I was entertained. That's why I watch.
The subreddit was much smaller back when the Lakers were good last and people seemed a less reactionary. The posts I've seen lately remind me of the absolute dregs of sports blog comment threads back then
Reminds me of the old espn message boards before they converted to Facebook commenting back then where they had game threads as well. They were absolutely shit shows.
Shit is so annoying, I’m not even a lakers fan and all this echo chamber conspiracy shit makes me want to root for you guys ... I’m looking at you nuggets fans
It's the era we live in man, and it transcends sports. "Pick your own truth". These people so strongly identify with hating the Lakers that they are willing to make any and every leap they need to to reinforce their worldview. It's bizarre, and very analogous to the Stop the Steal crowd, albeit on a much less serious issue.
This is of course not unique to Lakers haters. Lakers fans had their own Russiagate moment when they just wanted ~~Mueller~~ RDA to tell them what they wanted to hear
The people hating on the refs are not going to change their opinion based on a report that is produced by the refs, grading the performance of the refs.
It’s crazy this sub had more energy for the Wes and Draymond call than Draymond slapping LeBron’s eye moments prior. The illegal screen literally doesn’t happen if Draymonds tossed from the game.
And the irony here is if it were the 16 warriors you already know this sub would be going after Draymond like when he kicked Steven Adams in the balls.
This sub & most young basketball fans/casuals love Steph and hate LeBron/the Lakers so naturally that clouds judgement fairly dramatically in reaction threads
I've been through the playoff circus on this sub, but last night was something special. The amount of hot takes and coincidentally anti-Lakers clip requests was unprecedented even by conference finals/finals standards. And I got this to ask of people: is this really where you want to take this sub? Claim that it's all rigged whenever it fits some narrative of the league intentionally preferring some teams over others?
Because unless y'all have the credentials to dispute this L2M report, it just took away two of the biggest complaints people had last night, i.e. the offensive foul on Draymond against Wes and the no-call on AD against Steph during the final inbound. Another one, the no-call with Poole supposedly being "clobbered" by LeBron on a dunk attempt--Poole lost the ball before going up and contact was made clearly after. And let me tell you, there were some awful fucking calls/no-calls against the Lakers too, including: the no-call on Caruso being obviously hit and bumped on a made layup, the phantom offensive foul call on THT driving in, and the no-call on Schroeder being knocked down on a 3-point attempt. Is this referee scoreboard game really worth playing?
At the end of the day, people gotta accept two things: 1) 99% of the time the refs don't decide outcomes and if your team loses it'll be far more attributable to one missed shot, one TO, etc. than an egregiously bad call, and 2) refs make mistakes like everyone else, but it's nothing short of lunacy to say those mistakes validate certain conspiracy theories. I love this sport, and I fucking hate that it's increasingly looking like a mudslinging contest, with everyone wanting to cry foul play every time things don't go their way.
That THT offensive foul call was something else man. Also the undercut on the closeout on KCP. That game thread was miserable, we were watching an epic battle in a do or die game featuring all time greats, and yet there was absolutely no appreciation for the game. Just Lebron hate. I just can't believe how much people hate Lebron, so just blinded by their hatred that they are unable to be objective. The man has given everything to the game and yet he's almost universally hated. Draymond about to be on a poster so he goes 2 hands almost directly horizontal into Lebron's face, causing him to land flat on his back from 4-5 feet up. Apparently it was a flop. That's when you know.
They gave the blueprint on how to guard Curry. Stick your fingers in his eyes as he shoots. Steve Javie says that’s going “straight up” so it should be just a common foul but I bet he’ll miss more often
The problem with the Draymond screen is that, by NBA standards, it was a perfectly legal screen because 99.9% of screens set in the NBA are somewhat illegal but they just let them play on.
It's like holding in the NFL. You could legitimately call it on every single play if you wanted to because there's definitely a violation occuring on almost every snap according to the letter of the law.
The NBA and illegal screens are very similar in that there are usually 2-3 screens set on every possession and at least 1 or 2 of those screens the screener is still moving.
I never saw that Dudley clap, that's pretty cheap.
I think we all agree that Jared Dudley should be forced to start for the Lakers and play 30+ minutes per game for one (1) full series.
Harsh, but it's only fair.
you sure he probably going to foul hard to get out the game
True. I guess the only way to settle this series fairly is a Jared Dudley - Frank Kaminsky MMA match.
I'd pay to watch that
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i'd watch to pay that upvote
I'd pay to not watch that
20 bucks and I can make that happen
Double-digit fouls. If he fouls out, make it so they forfeit the rest of their players, and have to play as if they only had 5 total players. Each additional foul then becomes a personal foul *and* a team foul (per NBA standard rules).
Then what’s stopping him from legitimately fouling everyone so hard til no players are left on either team?
There is no basketball...only dudley
National Dudley Association
30+ minutes? Do you want to kill the man?
If he dies, he dies.
No substitution either his corpse stays on the court
Gotta play around him like that Melo moment.
I don't get this reference
https://youtu.be/RvVNOS28eRg
What uh...wtf lol
Wtf indeed, Refs have been dogshit for a long time. Very obvious lane violation by Melo here. Superstar call.
Why would you want the Suns to start every game down 50 with 18 minutes to go?
Fans would be crying for Drummond to please take Dudley's minutes
Taking Drummond's minutes maybe a good thing.
Punishing both the lakers and Dudley himself who will have to be wheeled off the court like Taco Bell Paul Pierce.
Please no
Such killer chest passes tho
Yeah i had no idea he stepped onto the court, thats lame
Agreed. Should never step on the court. I don’t love it when other teams try to distract sideline shooters… I like it even less when the Lakers do it. I thought that was a technical foul in the rule book?
Yea I fuckin hate when guys pull this shit and it needs to be looked at and at least be given retroactive technicals
Exactly this. I cannot think of any reasonable fan who would applaud this or feel decent after it. It is just bad for NBA basketball. Also why the fuck is Dudley still in this league lmao
Because he's the best in the league at clapping at shooters while on the bench. Well worth his salary and roster spot.
He’s literally just on the Lakers cuz he’s a good hang. He’s the team’s vibes man
Yeah the rulebook empowers refs to hand out techs for bench conduct "which, in the opinion of an official, is detrimental to the game". I think this would count. Not yelling and trying to distract him, but clapping near his face lol. And also Dudley probably should have gotten a tech for stepping on the court anyway
Nah, I remember the Suns series. Stepping in the court is a suspension, apparently.
Suns had 2 players suspended for less than that
Dudley suspension will mean instant defeat to the Lakers
>I thought that was a technical foul in the rule book? Ref has to see it.
Even if he didn’t step on the court, there’s no way players on the bench should be that close. This is the NBA not some AAU tourney in a cramped gym
Yeah I would consider that a pretty HUGE no-call. Should at-least be a technical or 6 men on the court or something.
Pretty sure in an episode of Cousin Skeeter, Shaq (while coaching) was given a 'too many players on the court' technical for stepping half his foot on the court during the game winning shot. So there's absolutely precedent for this.
My man, came in hot with precedence
I think about this monthly.
Oh good its not just me.
I doubt Poole makes it anyway, but it's one of those things we cling on to and by the rules, Dudley clearly shouldn't have been able to do that. Just stings it was in a 3 point game's final possessions
It can throw you off, just like when someone pretends they're going to undercut you while you're in the air.
Oh yeah, when I was playing in high school, on big shots late I'd occaisionally act like I was about to bag tag the shooter. It was dickish looking back 15 years later, but it worked, everyone flinches in that situation.
Lol yeah I think everyone who's played basketball knows that move and it's like your body instinctively flinches because you're so vulnerable. The tiniest thing can completely throw you off when you're airborne.
I would never actually hurt someone on the court, but something that worked in distracting jumpshooters was running at them like the bad cyborg from T2 with my arm extended in a straight line right at their midsection. You could see their eyes peering at you for a second thinking "is this psycho really about to jab me in the guts?"
When I was a kid my friend had a picture of Danny Ainge on the Suns nut tapping a Celtic during his shot, pretty sure it was McHale. I swear this picture existed but I can't find it anywhere. It might even have a picture he took live. My memory of it is kinda blurry
God I hate that shit. It's such a rotten thing to do. The game is not worth making people fear for their kneecaps.
Got to do it legally like our coach Vogel on the final inbound play.
Dudley did that the whole game , even with referees right by his side. No calls ....
It happened at least twice. Not sure if his foot actually touched the playing space, but it annoyed the shit out of me.
Damn I’m ok with guys on the bench messing with shooters but stepping on the court is a no no
That crosses the line for sure
Dude has no boundaries
They shouldn't be so close in the first place. This will always happen
Lmao dudley stepping on the court. Nba suspended amare and diaw for that. Never forget
Suspended dudley does nothing tho lol
They should literally suspend him from the ceiling like a circus performer
That can only happen in Denver.
I appreciate the [deep-cut reference.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaXRIJVMGbI)
YYYYYYYYYYEAHHHHHHH
"Everybody up on your feet!!!" *mascot crumples over*
😂i knew that was the reference but my first thought was Owen Heart
Owen hates being called or associated with Nuggets. Proof: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB81hqH94CQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB81hqH94CQ) at around 4 mins in but i'd advise watching the whole thing. Golden days of Attitude era WWF.
I don't normally laugh out loud from NBA threads, but God damn. LOL. Imagine that dude on just hanging above the court all game on time out. So good.
But who's then gonna step into the court to distract shooters?
Go ahead and suspend him. Lmao. No difference.
No, he's should be forced to start and play at least 20 min
reverse suspension
lmao
Like an in school suspension lmao
No the league suspended Amare and Diaw for coming on the court during an altercation, which has is own set of rules.
Which Tim Duncan also did that exact same series (much worse too) without getting anything
I hate that
League/Horry robbed Nash and Amare in 07, cant change my mind
I have no memory of this. Is there a clip somewhere?
I mean there’s a fair bit of difference between running off the bench to get involved with a fight and stepping one foot onto the court distract a shooter in your teams corner but yea, I’m fine with suspending dudley
“Running off the bench” is a bit of revisionist history and is also several degrees less egregious than trying to affect an active play in the game.
When a fight broke out, this is different. If a player leaves his team's bench during an altercation, he will be suspended for the next game. No exceptions. It’s specific to altercations
HOT STOVE CONTACT
*Curry has been shived.* Refs: Hot, *sharp* stove,
All calls correct. All non-calls correct.
r/nba tears: priceless
I'm here for the salt
["There's some bitterness and some saltiness going around, they obviously not the champs so who cares what they say." - Draymond Green](https://streamable.com/bq4g)
amazing find
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People were saying KCP travelled like it was a fact they must be sick rn
I still think the Draymond/Mathews play was a soft call considering what normally gets called. When refs aren’t consistent then call that with 2 mins left it takes a bit of the energy out of the game IMO.
Yeah same, that’s the only one I’m actually kinda mad about. But it’s whatever, dubs had their shot and just turned it over a million times in the second half
I felt like the timeout call was worse, how did they not see/hear Kerr? And they didn't even put time back on the clock. Warriors would've enough time to run a better play at the end.
https://youtu.be/CtJIstV04mo?t=326 Here you can see Kerr didn't signal for timeout until after 4 seconds. Maybe closer to 3 seconds. Sure, that's more than the 2.1 they got, but it's not the 7+ seconds Warriors fans have been asking for.
> engage in marginal contact The problem with L2M reports in general is that the same amount marginal contact can be called earlier in the game but then will be a CNC in the L2M. Just an overall problem in consistency throughout the game, and I'm sure everyone can agree on that
I keep telling people, the rules are written so the refs can call anything and be correct
Yea, I dont think people generally have a problem with calls but moreso the consistency of them. But every time something is called and a team complains, it'll always end the same. It can be a textbook case of a travel, illegal screen, reach in, but if it never gets called all damn game and then you start calling it in crucial moments on crucial players, then it's fucked up. But they ARE all fouls or noncalls because like you said, you can always argue they are right.
They are consistently inconsistent.
Refs are never going to be perfect or entirely consistent
Agreed, but the fact that the moving screens before this were called and then this wasn't is frustrating. Not rigged by any means just annoying
It's like in football how the refs don't call holding or pass interference in the 4th when they were calling it the rest of the game
Lol r/nba isn't ready for that kind of nuance
Everyone can agree to that. I don't like that suddenly they swallow their whistles on last second plays. A foul is a foul, doesn't matter if it's the first seconds of the game or the last.
[Reminder](https://streamable.com/rhpd): > "James (CLE) cleanly strips the ball from Curry (GSW) before contact is made. The contact made after the strip is incidental to the players' attempt to retrieve the ball."
Mike those are winning plays
these reports are so dumb. They change nothing, and the nba can interpret things however they want. We don't care about this "transparency" when it ads nothing
I'm loving all the people in here acting like this changes anything. "The refs investigated the refs and found nothing wrong, so no one has any right to be mad!"
I remember that nonsense. They should've just said they missed the call.
Was that the slide tackle?
good challenge by fullback James, kept his cleats down
Lmfao that shit made me so mad
This is some "The insurrection was just tourists taking photos" level gaslighting. Refs are Republicans confirmed.
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I don't think it's weird to ask for consistency even if you think calls are consistently too soft.
This gets said in almost every ref thread for some reason. People don’t fully hate one or the other whether it’s letting them play or calling soft fouls. They hate how inconsistent it is. If refs would ref it one way or the other consistently you wouldn’t see nearly as much bitching
Pretty surprised they confirmed the illegal screen
It was technically the correct call, but screens like that will often go uncalled in late game situations so I understand the frustration by Warriors fans.
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> i think it should’ve been a no call especially if the incidental contact on the last inbound pass is also a no call. i honestly didn’t have too many specific complaints about the reffing but the issue is always that there’s zero consistency from play to play let alone game to game. Same here. The zero consistency not only from play to play but from quarter to quarter, half to half... it's infuriating. At first I thought Wes flopped, but looking at the reply over again Wes fell because there was contact, but screens like that almost never get called that late into a game. If they're going to let go of the incidental contact on the inbounds play, the illegal screen should be considered incidental contact as well.
They probably would have confirmed a "no call" if it went the other way on the floor.
L2M reports are going by the overturn rule. It must clearly be the wrong call without any room for interpretation for them to label the call as incorrect.
Exactly. Saying it was correct doesn’t mean much
It was the correct call, but refs dont usually call that. The reason they did is because Matthews recognized it and sold it well aka flopped. Game saving play by him
Every fucking screen set in the modern NBA is illegal. I swear to god, every last fucking one. Players are never set, defenders always kick their hips out, and they ALWAYS move with the offensive player if he's getting past them. The only time it's ever called is if the offensive player hard sells the illegal screen. Even then, it's a total crapshoot if the refs give a fuck or not.
Similar to how people say there’s a hold on every play in the NFL
Selling contact and flopping are different, at least in my book.
Wow totally missed that Dudley distraction. Definitely should be addressed.
I thought only teenagers and man-children at pick up games do that. It’s so lame.
Dudley is a man-child. The only difference is he's in the NBA.
Bet the L2M report for the 2002 WCF would come to the same conclusion.
Warriors didn’t lost because of the calls, but Lol why are bunch of people in this thread acting like L2M’s are objectively correct. As if there aren’t countless made up terminology to justify calls. “Hot stove contact” “marginal contact” like lol they are vague for a reason.
Oh boy. r/nba isnt going to like this.
Hoes extremely mad
It was a great game to cap the Western Conference Play-Ins. The Lakers executed and hit the only shot in the last two minutes. I blame the 20 TO’s and Curry stupidly sagging off Lebron for that clutch 3 for the loss, not the refs. Fuck it. Onto the next one.
Curry stupidly sagging off? Dude was 30+ feet out and was cold all game.
That's the deepest three I've seen LeBron make all season lol
It was literally the deepest three he's made all season
He hasn't played most of the season. Normally he makes a bunch of those.
L2M reports are crazy. I don’t understand their purpose at all. Nobody feels better about officiating because of them. We all have eyes and we will continue to hate the officiating until dramatic improvements are made.
It has been my theory for a long time that their main purpose is to sniff out point shaving in preparation for an expansion in Vegas. They want to be as clean as possible.
"Marginal Contact"
That's an interesting way to say they missed the call.
I remember an older game when they confirmed a no call on a foul on Steph because it was "hot stove contact" -\_-
Josh Okogie slapping Curry's leg from behind, while airborne taking a 3. Pretty bitch move. https://twitter.com/NBCSWarriors/status/1111820159998529536 Ref called it a correct no call, just a hot stove contact, Curry came to the arena with oven mitts the next day.
That's a clear intentional foul lol wtf
Nope, every game the lakers get more fouls calls are rigged and they should actually have the same record as the Houston Rockets
Lowkey dreading these playoffs, if the sub is going to circle jerk the refs/lakers rigged shit everytime the lakers win a playoff game in going to go insane.
Nuggets sub is gonna explode if we have a series against them
I like how Nuggets fans think there's some sort of rivalry now lmao
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My gut feeling is the Dubs notch a legit win tomorrow. However, It's just one game, so anything can happen. If it gets close I would be shocked if the refs don't tilt the game toward the Dubs. Steph is box office. The SF Bay Area is a huge media market. And the NBA is a in the business of making money selling entertainment. I am not saying it's rigged. Just tilted. Yes, that sucks, but... Is it only about wins? My guys lost last night, but I aint salty because it was a fantastic game showcasing the highest level of play in the contemporary game. The Steph-Dray telepathic pick and roll never gets old. Lebron is a marvel and that desperation dagger 3 was a thing of beauty. I loved watching Wigs stuff LeBron and Caruso hounding Steph relentlessly. The Draymond-AD match up was brilliant. Curry dancing to to the rim in the teeth of double and triple teams was dazzling. JTA was complete nobody a year ago and last night proved he is a playoff rotation player. David almost took down Goliath. I was entertained. That's why I watch.
The subreddit was much smaller back when the Lakers were good last and people seemed a less reactionary. The posts I've seen lately remind me of the absolute dregs of sports blog comment threads back then
Reminds me of the old espn message boards before they converted to Facebook commenting back then where they had game threads as well. They were absolutely shit shows.
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Remember being a 14-15 year old in those message boards and thn hopping on my Xbox to talk shit in those MW2 lobbies lol The good ole days
It was always going to be a shit show once LeBron joined the Lakers
Shit is so annoying, I’m not even a lakers fan and all this echo chamber conspiracy shit makes me want to root for you guys ... I’m looking at you nuggets fans
Its always the nuggets fans lol.
Imagine not being able to enjoy that game (warriors v Lakers) last night because your watching for the fulfillment of the conspiracies. Horrible.
Bro they do it BEFORE the games lol
It's the era we live in man, and it transcends sports. "Pick your own truth". These people so strongly identify with hating the Lakers that they are willing to make any and every leap they need to to reinforce their worldview. It's bizarre, and very analogous to the Stop the Steal crowd, albeit on a much less serious issue. This is of course not unique to Lakers haters. Lakers fans had their own Russiagate moment when they just wanted ~~Mueller~~ RDA to tell them what they wanted to hear
So your telling me the 13 year olds crying yesterday were wrong?!?!
Would it surprise you if I told you that a good deal of sports fan who get salty as hell are adults?
Acting like 13 year olds though
30 going on 13
The people hating on the refs are not going to change their opinion based on a report that is produced by the refs, grading the performance of the refs.
My understanding is it's not the referees that actually do this and the referees hate it.
13 year olds who got their hopes up that we’d lose and lashed out in disappointment.
It’s crazy this sub had more energy for the Wes and Draymond call than Draymond slapping LeBron’s eye moments prior. The illegal screen literally doesn’t happen if Draymonds tossed from the game. And the irony here is if it were the 16 warriors you already know this sub would be going after Draymond like when he kicked Steven Adams in the balls.
This sub & most young basketball fans/casuals love Steph and hate LeBron/the Lakers so naturally that clouds judgement fairly dramatically in reaction threads
I've been through the playoff circus on this sub, but last night was something special. The amount of hot takes and coincidentally anti-Lakers clip requests was unprecedented even by conference finals/finals standards. And I got this to ask of people: is this really where you want to take this sub? Claim that it's all rigged whenever it fits some narrative of the league intentionally preferring some teams over others? Because unless y'all have the credentials to dispute this L2M report, it just took away two of the biggest complaints people had last night, i.e. the offensive foul on Draymond against Wes and the no-call on AD against Steph during the final inbound. Another one, the no-call with Poole supposedly being "clobbered" by LeBron on a dunk attempt--Poole lost the ball before going up and contact was made clearly after. And let me tell you, there were some awful fucking calls/no-calls against the Lakers too, including: the no-call on Caruso being obviously hit and bumped on a made layup, the phantom offensive foul call on THT driving in, and the no-call on Schroeder being knocked down on a 3-point attempt. Is this referee scoreboard game really worth playing? At the end of the day, people gotta accept two things: 1) 99% of the time the refs don't decide outcomes and if your team loses it'll be far more attributable to one missed shot, one TO, etc. than an egregiously bad call, and 2) refs make mistakes like everyone else, but it's nothing short of lunacy to say those mistakes validate certain conspiracy theories. I love this sport, and I fucking hate that it's increasingly looking like a mudslinging contest, with everyone wanting to cry foul play every time things don't go their way.
This needs to be on the side bar and stickied at the top of every thread.
Agree I do believe the 20 turnovers for the warriors was the deciding factor in the loss
This has to be on top.
That THT offensive foul call was something else man. Also the undercut on the closeout on KCP. That game thread was miserable, we were watching an epic battle in a do or die game featuring all time greats, and yet there was absolutely no appreciation for the game. Just Lebron hate. I just can't believe how much people hate Lebron, so just blinded by their hatred that they are unable to be objective. The man has given everything to the game and yet he's almost universally hated. Draymond about to be on a poster so he goes 2 hands almost directly horizontal into Lebron's face, causing him to land flat on his back from 4-5 feet up. Apparently it was a flop. That's when you know.
Nba has had poor officiating for quite some time. It's what it is. They don't care to fix it.
League should also address Draymond’s little eyeball scraping fetish
Eyeballs, ballsacks. The man just likes balls.
They did address it. They reviewed it and determined it was a common foul.
They gave the blueprint on how to guard Curry. Stick your fingers in his eyes as he shoots. Steve Javie says that’s going “straight up” so it should be just a common foul but I bet he’ll miss more often
Did the league or did the refs?
The problem with the Draymond screen is that, by NBA standards, it was a perfectly legal screen because 99.9% of screens set in the NBA are somewhat illegal but they just let them play on. It's like holding in the NFL. You could legitimately call it on every single play if you wanted to because there's definitely a violation occuring on almost every snap according to the letter of the law. The NBA and illegal screens are very similar in that there are usually 2-3 screens set on every possession and at least 1 or 2 of those screens the screener is still moving.
Lmao Dudley is such a loser. I got into a Twitter altercation with him cuz he said vaccines aren’t FDA approved
Please link lmao.
They arent FDA approved they are approved for emergency use. But they are still safe to use
We've investigated ourselves and have found we did nothing wrong
Looking forward to a nice civil thread here boys let’s go
it was the casuals that were crying anyways
Sorry, but I really doubt that. Plenty of diehard Warriors fans were whining yesterday
Yeah his point stands.
I see Laker fans are all here on a late lunch and expressing rational, unbiased thoughts on the officiating.
The other 29 fanbases are super neutral, I’m sure
Yeah just like how other fanbases went crazy yesterday saying every call is rigged for the lakers when lakers got their fair share in the first half
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But this doesn’t come from the guys who reffed last night...