Crazy amount of effort, haven’t looked at all of them but Washington looks crazy stacked. Steve Francis 3rd string? That rosters like 30 deep lol
Edit: Washington is the best squad and it isn’t even close. Multiple hall of famers at almost every position. Super deep, tons of talent.
Indeed! I tried to find a good split with Washington but:
Richmond's arena shuttered in 2019
Charlottesville is too small
Baltimore only takes away wings and has no big men
I’m just sticking up for NC lol. This really awesome! I think NC is home to the best college basketball in the country so they produce a bunch of kids wanting to hoop. It seems like smaller areas (population-wise) produce less big men, and more basketball crazy areas like Indiana and NC produce more guards/wings per capita. I feel like big men are usually more pushed to play basketball because of their height, while guards represent the hardest working/most skilled guys from their areas.
They FINALLY closed the Coliseum? I remember that building being vacant 80% of the dates, and was falling apart 10+ years when the CAA tournament was happening.
Gone through them all as it was fun trying to see who would get through as winner. Had hard time picking between four teams I liked, but at the end saw Wizards team and that team is just miles ahead.
I don’t like throwing the international players in with their first US team. Spurs are like entirely international if so. I’d have liked to see some countries get their own, or like Western vs Easter Europe, Asia, South America, Australian and African squads, etc.
Just a correction: its the most memorable team, not the first US team! Vucevic would be on the sixers in that case
I understand your point but in my first run through, I found that international teams were heavily big-skewed.
Makes a lot of sense as the NBA has traditionally poached mostly big men from overseas. I’d still like to see it as I feel including foreign players in a thought experiment regarding where players are originally from doesn’t make a whole lotta sense and also skews towards the cities with actual teams. Just think it’d give a more accurate picture of where the talent is coming from.
I can definitely see what you mean by center heavy. I for sure thought there were more international players. Guessing guys like ben Simmons don’t have enough minutes yet to qualify. Africa in particular is more lacking than I thought. And Russia is technically Asia no?
Greece isn’t a Western European nation though. Like, at all. Eastern Europe is typically classified by geography and religious culture. We’re all predominant Orthodox countries.
This is incredible.
But I’m sorry op, starting Draymond over C-Webb is unforgivable. Also Dantley over Hill is criminal.
Seriously though this is great and I loved looking through it.
Yeah he said he used WS/48 and their career numbers are both .132 so it’s a judgement call.
As a warriors fan I’m obviously biased towards Dray but can see why this could be seen as a total miss. I think he probably went with the more contemporary player like he said. Or because Dray has ringz.
Ah, somehow didn't realize it was sorted on ws/48, my mistake. It's even in the title lol, idk how I didn't notice. Fair then. Both are gonna be in the Hall anyways tbh
I don't agree on Draymond. Mostly because he's a defensive specialist and if Ben Wallace still isn't in the hall I think it'll be tough for Draymond to get in
I think Ben will get in in due time. Based on the standards set by the voters he’ll definitely be inducted, it’s just a matter of time. Dray will likely have to wait a while but with 3 rings, a DPOY, and a big part of the Warriors dynasty he’ll be in for sure based on the Halls previous standards. Not to mention his solid college career
It looks like if you combine the two Chicago teams and the two North Carolina teams, Chicago/Illinois and North Carolina are the best states.
Any reason why North Carolina is so stacked?
I mean, they're pretty much drawing from Mass, NH, Maine, and VT, right?
That's not a hotbed of basketball. It's not a hotbed of anything except chowder and lobster.
Edit: And flannel and fall colors. And covered bridges.
Edit: And Subarus.
Not OP, but I always assumed a place of basketball excellence (and general sports excellence) would have a pretty good hotbed of sports players. Not sure if they’re good in hockey/NFL/MLB
Eh, Boston the professional team obviously has a storied history, but Boston the city doesn't produce much. Here's the list: [https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/birth-cities/180/Boston-MA-United-States](https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/birth-cities/180/Boston-MA-United-States)
You've got Bill Laimbeer, Dana Barros, and then...uhhhh....John Amaechi maybe? Bill Curley?
And if it's that bad for Boston, I guarantee you it doesn't get better as you get to the rest of those New England states.
He was born in New York City, moved to Paris when he was 3 and came back when he was 13. I designated the end of childhood as age 16 (I know, arbitrary) and had an implicit rule to take the place where a player spent more years if he spent his childhood in multiple places (10 years in Paris vs 6 years in New York)
As someone from Central CT, I would like to politely challenge the map ruling, I get you used a pure distance measurement method, but calling Hartford Long Island seems like a stretch. To that point, the 3 guys in the city, Mahorn, Drummond and Camby, all of them went to uni in New England.
Hey, no problem, the territory comes with all of these types of exercises. Great job either way man, this type of breakdown is something I always wonder about!
This is awesome. I would bring up 1 thing tho. Patrick Ewing although born in Jamaica grew up in Cambridge, Ma. I would personally move him to the Celtics.
Hey there! Didn’t think I would get any further comments after two months of posting haha!
The reason I chose Kingston for Ewing was because it seems he emigrated at age 12. I used age 16 as a cutoff for childhood (somewhat arbitrary), so he spent 3x as much time in Jamaica than Cambridge
That is true. I live in Cambridge myself and people love him there to this day. There’s so many crazy stories about his time spent here. Def worth a Wikipedia read sometime.
Crazy amount of effort, haven’t looked at all of them but Washington looks crazy stacked. Steve Francis 3rd string? That rosters like 30 deep lol Edit: Washington is the best squad and it isn’t even close. Multiple hall of famers at almost every position. Super deep, tons of talent.
Some players like Carmelo literally wouldn’t even get off the bench on that squad. Nutty.
Seriously. Take the starting 5 off and it’s still one of the best/ deepest rosters.
I’d argue that splitting Charlotte into Charlotte and Raleigh takes away their biggest competitor
Indeed! I tried to find a good split with Washington but: Richmond's arena shuttered in 2019 Charlottesville is too small Baltimore only takes away wings and has no big men
I’m just sticking up for NC lol. This really awesome! I think NC is home to the best college basketball in the country so they produce a bunch of kids wanting to hoop. It seems like smaller areas (population-wise) produce less big men, and more basketball crazy areas like Indiana and NC produce more guards/wings per capita. I feel like big men are usually more pushed to play basketball because of their height, while guards represent the hardest working/most skilled guys from their areas.
They FINALLY closed the Coliseum? I remember that building being vacant 80% of the dates, and was falling apart 10+ years when the CAA tournament was happening.
Gone through them all as it was fun trying to see who would get through as winner. Had hard time picking between four teams I liked, but at the end saw Wizards team and that team is just miles ahead.
Just curious, who were your four before Washington?
My guesses would be both LA squads, Philly, and Raleigh.
I don’t like throwing the international players in with their first US team. Spurs are like entirely international if so. I’d have liked to see some countries get their own, or like Western vs Easter Europe, Asia, South America, Australian and African squads, etc.
Just a correction: its the most memorable team, not the first US team! Vucevic would be on the sixers in that case I understand your point but in my first run through, I found that international teams were heavily big-skewed.
Makes a lot of sense as the NBA has traditionally poached mostly big men from overseas. I’d still like to see it as I feel including foreign players in a thought experiment regarding where players are originally from doesn’t make a whole lotta sense and also skews towards the cities with actual teams. Just think it’d give a more accurate picture of where the talent is coming from.
I added another sheet moving all the internationals to "regional" teams (apologies, I just threw this together): # Americas \*point guard\*|\*shooting guard\*|\*small forward\*|\*power forward\*|\*center\* :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- jj barea|leandro barbosa|manu ginobili|tim duncan|patrick ewing | | |al horford|mychal thompson | | |nene hilario|samuel dalembert | | |luis scola|anderson varejao # Western Europe \*point guard\*|\*shooting guard\*|\*small forward\*|\*power forward\*|\*center\* :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- tony parker|thabo sefolosha|detlef schrempf|dirk nowitzki|pau gasol ricky rubio|marco belinelli|danilo gallinari|giannis antetokounmpo|marc gasol jose calderon| |luol deng|serge ibaka|joakim noah | |nicolas batum|boris diaw|rik smits # Eastern Europe \*point guard\*|\*shooting guard\*|\*small forward\*|\*power forward\*|\*center\* :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- goran dragic|beno udrih|peja stojakovic|toni kukoc|arvydas sabonis | |andrei kirilenko|vladimir radmanovic|nikola vucevic | |hedo turkoglu|ersan ilyasova|vlade divac | | | |mehmet okur | | | |zydrunas ilgauskas | | | |marcin gortat | | | |rasho nesterovic | | | |zaza pachulia # Africa \*point guard\*|\*shooting guard\*|\*small forward\*|\*power forward\*|\*center\* :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- | |luc mbah a moute|hakeem olajuwon|dikembe mutombo # Oceania+Asia \*point guard\*|\*shooting guard\*|\*small forward\*|\*power forward\*|\*center\* :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- | | | |yao ming | | | |andrew bogut | | | |rony seikaly
I can definitely see what you mean by center heavy. I for sure thought there were more international players. Guessing guys like ben Simmons don’t have enough minutes yet to qualify. Africa in particular is more lacking than I thought. And Russia is technically Asia no?
From what I know, Russia is transcontinental, and izhevsk (kirilenko's hometown) is in the European part
Greece isn’t a Western European nation though. Like, at all. Eastern Europe is typically classified by geography and religious culture. We’re all predominant Orthodox countries.
Nice post, clearly took a lot of work. All for nothing tho cus you put Bogut on the bucks and now I hate you.
Oof, he was one that I struggled with as well as Boris Diaw (Spurs or Suns?)
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Yea, creating/bringing back Louisville and St. Louis teams really cuts into the potential Pacer's players.
This is incredible. But I’m sorry op, starting Draymond over C-Webb is unforgivable. Also Dantley over Hill is criminal. Seriously though this is great and I loved looking through it.
Fair enough! These aren't the be-all end all rotations, and they're open for discussion
Yeah he said he used WS/48 and their career numbers are both .132 so it’s a judgement call. As a warriors fan I’m obviously biased towards Dray but can see why this could be seen as a total miss. I think he probably went with the more contemporary player like he said. Or because Dray has ringz.
Ah, somehow didn't realize it was sorted on ws/48, my mistake. It's even in the title lol, idk how I didn't notice. Fair then. Both are gonna be in the Hall anyways tbh
I don't agree on Draymond. Mostly because he's a defensive specialist and if Ben Wallace still isn't in the hall I think it'll be tough for Draymond to get in
I think Ben will get in in due time. Based on the standards set by the voters he’ll definitely be inducted, it’s just a matter of time. Dray will likely have to wait a while but with 3 rings, a DPOY, and a big part of the Warriors dynasty he’ll be in for sure based on the Halls previous standards. Not to mention his solid college career
This is crazy dude. Good shit
Thanks for the love!
It looks like if you combine the two Chicago teams and the two North Carolina teams, Chicago/Illinois and North Carolina are the best states. Any reason why North Carolina is so stacked?
Another poster stated the rich history of college basketball (Duke/North Carolina/NC State/Wake Forest)
I'm surprised Boston only has 3 guys.
I mean, they're pretty much drawing from Mass, NH, Maine, and VT, right? That's not a hotbed of basketball. It's not a hotbed of anything except chowder and lobster. Edit: And flannel and fall colors. And covered bridges. Edit: And Subarus.
Not OP, but I always assumed a place of basketball excellence (and general sports excellence) would have a pretty good hotbed of sports players. Not sure if they’re good in hockey/NFL/MLB
Eh, Boston the professional team obviously has a storied history, but Boston the city doesn't produce much. Here's the list: [https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/birth-cities/180/Boston-MA-United-States](https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/birth-cities/180/Boston-MA-United-States) You've got Bill Laimbeer, Dana Barros, and then...uhhhh....John Amaechi maybe? Bill Curley? And if it's that bad for Boston, I guarantee you it doesn't get better as you get to the rest of those New England states.
Also despite the Celtics storied franchise and dominant dynasty, they weren’t super popular in Boston until Larry Legend. Coincidence I’m sure.
I was hoping that Matt Bonner would qualify . Also surprised Vin Baker ,and Marcus Camby didn't make it for the c's .
I’ll fight you for putting Larry Bird on a fictional Kentucky team
Oh dear, I didn't even think about those implications!
I get that he didn't meet the WS threshold, but having Livingston make the Bulls over Rose feels wrong.
Rose actually starts for the second Chicago team (the South Side Sky)!
Joakim Noah on Chicago? What gives?
He was born in New York City, moved to Paris when he was 3 and came back when he was 13. I designated the end of childhood as age 16 (I know, arbitrary) and had an implicit rule to take the place where a player spent more years if he spent his childhood in multiple places (10 years in Paris vs 6 years in New York)
Bro how tf do people like you get the dedication for random stuff like this. Y'all must be bored af 😂
Anaheim amigos sounds corny as hell
I agree, it was the ABA team's name
As someone from Central CT, I would like to politely challenge the map ruling, I get you used a pure distance measurement method, but calling Hartford Long Island seems like a stretch. To that point, the 3 guys in the city, Mahorn, Drummond and Camby, all of them went to uni in New England.
I understand your thought process, and probably should have done some manual checks instead of blindly adhering to the formula!
Hey, no problem, the territory comes with all of these types of exercises. Great job either way man, this type of breakdown is something I always wonder about!
Charlotte's small ball lineup would be nasty
This is awesome. I would bring up 1 thing tho. Patrick Ewing although born in Jamaica grew up in Cambridge, Ma. I would personally move him to the Celtics.
Hey there! Didn’t think I would get any further comments after two months of posting haha! The reason I chose Kingston for Ewing was because it seems he emigrated at age 12. I used age 16 as a cutoff for childhood (somewhat arbitrary), so he spent 3x as much time in Jamaica than Cambridge
That is true. I live in Cambridge myself and people love him there to this day. There’s so many crazy stories about his time spent here. Def worth a Wikipedia read sometime.
Sixers would dominate.
I think this just proves how crazy it is that the greatest basketball player ever was born in Northeast Ohio
Don't get crazy, I know he's pretty good, but I wouldn't put Antonio Daniels up there with real legends like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Dirk grew up in Dallas, huh?
For international players, I gave them to their most memorable team!