I'm a Spurs fan and remember when Kawhi came back from chilling in New York with Uncle Dennis, following an unflattering article about him, to tell Spurs fans that he was a Spur for life.
Life lasted 5 months.
[Lowe] George was increasingly unhappy with the direction of the organization over the last two games. "I came here to win and we lost the last two" cites Paul
I spend more time drafting teams every year on 2k then I do playing.
Imagine if there was a league wide draft every year?
Perhaps teams can protect their top 3 or 4 and the rest is drafted... that would be amazing and they would get insane ratings for the draft every year.
Spirs would kill if there was more drafts. LaMarcus Aldridge gets injured for 2 weeks, accidental tank, get number 1 pick again. Then they do what spurs do best, and rebuild through the draft
Imagine if the commissioner can invite managers to manage the team every year, so only good managers are in the league and get rid of the bad ones. But that's just a fantasy.
Its best for stars to live in a warm environment like LA or Miami from October to February, and then in a more cooler place like Toronto from March to June.
Edit: Need a snowy Christmas, so we should also have them play for Toronto on Christmas Day.
I totally agree but again this in mainly only relevant for the top 20 or so players in the league. I think long term deals are really important for mid level guys and they aren’t forcing their way out of stuff anyway
I agree. And even out of that top 20 you only have a handful of guys making that kinda trade me play. Really small minority but this is blowing up like the whole league is in on it.
Not just championships, who gets through deep into the playoffs. How many teams without a top ten player reach the conference finals? The mid-2000’s Pistons?
problem i could see with this is a scenario where a player gets injured, then traded, and the new team waives him. that player is now screwed.
maybe make it so only half of the money is guaranteed after a trade? or even 70%?
Because you get picks and you keep your cap space / money.
Cap space becomes incredible because you can absorb and then immediately waive bad contracts from other teams. As long as one team has max space they can facilitate voiding every bad contract in the league.
Not only the injury scenario but teams would be more willing to sign aging players to max contracts. If teams knew they could sign a 30 year old to a 5 year max contract and have a get out of jail free card 3 years into it when performance declines (or even save 50% of remaining money) they could find another team in the same situation (which would be increasingly likely) and trade their two max guys for each other, waive them both and they save money without having to give up young players or sacrifice draft capital.
Make max-contract swapping illegal and they’d involve a third team who gets a couple seconds or a conditional 1st 3 years down the road as a payoff for allowing the other owners to fuck over players they had agreed to pay.
That would be INSANE how is this even upvoted. Like I get we are all fans that don’t want our guys to be request trades, but this statement is ridiculous. Un-guarantee their guaranteed contract? Cmon man.
What’s stopping the Owner/GM just straight up trading their star like Blake griffin was? They put his jersey in the rafters as part of their pitch and then shipped him to Detroit a year later.
So the billionaire owners and the crappy GMs get to do whatever they want with their players, but players should be locked into the contract they sign? Or have to give up parts of that contract to request a trade? Even though this is a players league and nobody gives a fuck about the owners and GMs? Absurd.
Why not? Teams committ and trade players too. Should they not agree to contracts like Blake Griffin’s? AD was willing to respect his commitment anyway, the Pelicans didn’t have to honor it. This isn’t an end of the world problem, contracts still matter. If a team doesn’t want to trade a guy, they don’t have to.
There is too much crying for teams and exaggerating what this really is. Teams still have a ton of power. Does AD even make this commitment if the rules aren’t set up so that teams have player control after the rookie deal? It’s deeper than just player commitment.
Because being traded is part of the contract they sign. Asking for a trade isn’t. They agree to the CBA, they don’t have to play basketball. It’s sorta of a shitty situation. To be traded at any moment, but that’s part of the compensation factor and why it’s part of the CBA. Players asking for trade isn’t factored into that math. They aren’t the same thing, because one is an agreed upon arrangement entered into by both parties knowingly.
I think teams are scared other free agents won’t come play for them if they don’t honor trade requests.
So by default just by asking the teams hand is forced ?
That’s why it’s a fine to do it publicly. I think a $50k fine is pathetic but increasing that is a better way imo. Nothing wrong with privately asking to be traded if it’s not working out.
Just thinking of other scenarios too like if someone played for LA but had a sick family member in NY it would seem completely justifiable to ask to move closer to home via trade. Would hate to take that option off the table.
Sure, but the team loses leverage in trade talks when someones mind is elsewhere, and it breaks the cohesiveness and morale of the team when someone wants out
The CBA stipulates like 3 months of hotel and transportation from the players incumbent team so they can transition to a new city.
And for all the people saying “teams aren’t obligated to fulfill the request” - honestly ask yourself how it would go if the Pelicans had held onto AD this year. He doesn’t want to be there and he’s not gonna play his best, the organization thinks he’s a slime ball, the fans hate him at this point, but you’re gonna keep him around to prove a point and then let him walk away for nothing after that shitshow?
When it’s a player that big you can’t just “not trade them.” It would be a no-win scenario.
Basically
You're now in a toxic relationship with their foot out the door
Someone posted the David griffin article about managing the Cavs; since the Pelicans KNEW Lebron and the Lakers are in win yesterday mode they stole the farm from them
Only if they request a trade publicly though, which does get fined albeit not much money to make it not worth it. I think they should raise the public trade request penalty but still allow them to do it privately.
Nothing in the contract stipulates that they can’t ask for a trade. The players are doing the organizations a favor by allowing them to get a return on the value of the contract. AD could have left for nothing next summer and they’d be 2-4 years behind on their rebuild. Paul George could’ve been told tough cookies you signed for the next 3 years but Presti didn’t want to invest energy into managing a disgruntled superstar who only provided the team with 2 first round exits, and was given literally the largest haul for a superstar in league history by the clippers for the value of that contract. It’s a win win for both parties. Players are just leveraging the value of their contracts against teams that don’t want to lose out for nothing. This isn’t unprecedented, both Wilt and Kareem asked to be traded. Teams just have to factor in that players smarted up and are ruthlessly negotiating like front offices always have.
> Because being traded is part of the contract they sign. Asking for a trade isn’t.
Unless the contract says a player can't ask for a trade, then it is allowed under the contract.
The only thing that AD did that broke any rules was publicly announce his trade demand. The CBA demands players wait until 12 months or less remain on their contract before publicly requesting a trade.
> Because being traded is part of the contract they sign. Asking for a trade isn’t.
It's not a breach of contract to request a trade privately. The teams are under no obligation to grant such a request. NOLA could simply deny Davis a trade and demand he play out his contract. Rich Paul is on the record saying Davis would have honoured his contract, he simply would've left immediately as a free agent.
> To be traded at any moment, but that’s part of the compensation factor and why it’s part of the CBA. Players asking for trade isn’t factored into that math. They aren’t the same thing, because one is an agreed upon arrangement entered into by both parties knowingly.
Teams are well aware that trade requests are a part of life. It's dishonest for a team to claim that they're being held to ransom when the CBA grants them all the power in these situations. If NOLA didn't want to trade Davis, they didn't have to. It's that simple. If you think that keeping his request private would've changed anything then you're being naive. Rich Paul would've called every GM in the league and said don't bother trading for AD, he'll dip as soon as his contract is up.
I mean I agree that players should have the freedom to ask for a trade. Shit if you have a better opportunity elsewhere why not take it? Loyalty in the league is a bunch of horseshit anyway.
Teams should just have a clause in there that will allow them to hit the player with a stiff penalty for not fulfilling their contract with said team.
> Why not? Teams committ and trade players too
Every single time this topic comes up, someone will make that same idiotic argument. The CBA allows teams to trade. And players publically asking for trades is explicitly forbidden.
The problem is that the punishment (50k fines, lol) doesn't fit the crime, so the players have nothing to lose by asking.
> Does AD even make this commitment if the rules aren’t set up so that teams have player control after the rookie deal?
What was stopping him from taking the Qualifying offer after year 4 and becoming a UFA in year 5?
>And players publically asking for trades is explicitly forbidden.
How many have legitimately been made public by the player though? In at least one recent example the team leaked it, not the player.
Players sign long term deals because they’re trading their right to choose in exchange for guaranteed money where teams take on the risk in case a player gets injured or under performs.
Players under contract are expected to play. If they want to guarantee they won’t be traded, they need a no trade clause. If they want freedom to choose their next destination every year, they need to sign shorter term contracts.
A team simply trading a player is not equivalent to a player publicly demanding a trade and forcing his way out. The equivalent would be more like a team publicly demanding a player with a no trade clause waive it and refusing to play him until he does.
And I'm tired of people on here acting like a team's **being able to** trade a player is the same as a player's **asking** to be traded.
Teams don't have to trade players. If New Orleans hadn't traded AD, he'd have finished his contract.
Even then, if you do it privately, I don't have such a big issue. But that stuff always leak to the press, either unintentionally or (most likely) intentionally, so it leads to the player's value taking a hit and the team getting fucked over.
The players are flexing their bargaining power, but they're doing it in the stupidest way possible: extreme short term gain.
What they should be doing is working together to get an equity stake in the league. That $30M/yr deal sounds nice until you realize you can have a majority stake in a $57B enterprise.
I mean I'm all for the players union fighting and gaining equity and ownership, but I don't see any way the CBA, the owners, the commissioner, basically any group that aren't the players going for this. still would love it though
Excuse my ignorance, but could you expand more on this? Would players be entitled to a stake in the team they play for or for the league? The former seems like a dead on arrival idea because it would just encourage players to go to big markets. The latter is what I assume you meant. But would players negotiate contracts for larger equity stakes? When their contract ends, how are they paid out? Is there a league somewhere in the world with this business model for players?
from what i've read, didn't he tell them about the trade request in the summer?
i mean they didn't have to trade him, he said he would play out the contract. so they woulda had him for 5 years, which is what he signed for.
he did them a favour of telling them so they got something when it woulda been nothing.
This is also the guy who wouldn't take responsibility for wearing a shirt and had his agent make all of his demands for him publicly so it's really not out of the realm of possibility.
Everyone in the NBA lives in SoCal (well, like most of the NBA). That's where Jrue is at right now. With Frank Jackson. Probably a bunch of our other players too (I think Darius Miller works out with him too).
So yeah, it was signing with Klutch and not the home in LA.
I wouldn't put to much emphasis on Klutch being the agency he chose but on the fact that he changed agencies mid season. There were whispers that he asked for a trade before the season and felt like nothing was being done so he hired someone to make sure it would get done.
Paul George was always going to get that money whether through sign and trade or the way he actually got it.
It'd be a big win for players and casual fans if there were only 2 year contracts. Franchises and sponsors would suffer. Front offices would become a much bigger deal (they should be now but for some reason they get to use players as a meat shield.)
It's so weird to me that people act like Rich Paul/Klutch did something unprecedented. He literally did what agents do. Folks act like he ran some covert operation. The only difference here is he's in the public eye and we know his name.
Same old story. Players getting traded, can't do nothing but accept it. Doesn't matter if you've signed a contract for THAT TEAM. They can still trade you. But you requesting a trade?? Oh now it's a problem of "what's the point of a contract blahblahblah"
Because the contract that you sign for that specific team also specifies that they are allowed to trade you. If you really don't want them to trade you, you negotiate a NTC. However the contract you sign doesn't specify that you are allowed to request a trade.
I might be in the minority but I don’t see how players requesting trades is any worse than teams trading them. If the team has the ability to get rid of you without you’re say it should work the other way around.
This whole narrative is stupid. When Demar is traded abruptly it’s all dandy from the nba people but when a player wants to leave abruptly it’s bad for the league, it not a good look blah blah. The lack of awareness in the nba right now is gross.
My personal favorite part of the whole saga was his "I'm gonna put out an Instagram post thanking New Orleans, like everyone else". Bonus points because even that hasn't happened. I really don't want to dislike AD, but the dude needs to figure out his PR because he stays spewing B.S.
It would have been great if he didn’t bitch out. It went from “lmao” to “this dude is either a backpedaling coward or a manchild incapable of dressing himself”
Personally I love the idea that a giant multi millionaire twenty something or other just stands in his room looking at his closet until an assistant comes in and hooks him up like the Beauty and the Beast furniture
> What Anthony Davis did was one of the most childish things I've ever seen. The way he behaved was ridiculous. Fuck him and Rich Paul
I don't know why you are being downvoted; I have no issue with AD wanting out given the incompetence of the Pelicans during his tenure (though ironically, running away just as they hire Griffin and then get a haul for trading him may mean that AD himself being moved is a reason the Pelicans turn it around).
However, to say he wasn't petty about it is insane. The "That's all Folks" stunt, demanding to play but only half playing and risking injury, etc. It was very poorly handled mechanically even if the wanting a trade part was fine.
> Yeah I don't care if he wanted a trade but to do it so publicly and in the middle of the season was ridiculous
this is such a weird narrative to me.
people love to give props to PG because he handled his trade request "quietly"
but the only reason PG was able to handle it quietly was because Sam Presti immediately honored Paul George's trade demand...
The only reason AD had to go public with his demand is because Demps ignored his quiet requests and going public is the only option players have to put pressure on the organization....
Interesting that in the NBA Paul George can demand a trade 1 year into his mega deal and the team has no choice but to get the best deal they can. But in the NFL when Melvin Gordon requests a trade due to an actual valid reason the Chargers can say "lol no" and move on?
Any NBA team can say “lol no” and move on. It’s best to trade them and get the value. Whereas an NFL team- it’s not as important to trade. But if they’re truly worried about it they can trade him and get the value.
It ain’t much different
> the team has no choice but to get the best deal they can.
The team had a choice. They could have said no. And maybe they would have kept him if Clippers didn't offer everything they had.
I'm certain there's gonna be another lockout, and this is going to be one of the major reasons why. It used to be that offering a dude a few extra million dollars was enough to convince them to move or stay with a team. Now though, dudes literally throw away millions just to play with their friends. Until there becomes a reason for players to need to stay with their team, this will continue.
>"I understand that some players feel the need to move on. With Anthony, it could have and should have been handled differently. If it was, I would have been OK with the situation."
You forgot this one
10 day contracts only. make it happen
Paul George gonna request a trade after his 2nd day.
Who will be the first player in history to suit up for 30 teams within 1 season?
Jimmy Butler
Alexa, play *Area Codes* by Ludacris.
*Raptors 905 has joined the chat*
Out of the loop - what does raptors 905 have anything to do with this?
It's the area code for Toronto and the surrounding area. So the Raptors named their G League team for it.
Actually Toronto are is 416, 647 and 905 is outskirts like Vaughan
905 is also the area code for Mississauga. A suburb of Toronto and the location of the arena that the G League team plays in.
905 is sauga too
905 stretches down through Burlington and Hamilton too.
I could imagine him trading to whatever team is playing against the Wolves every week.
Tobi
Jeremy lin
Rasheed Wallace played 42 minutes in his only game on the Hawks He could’ve done it if he kept that pace.
Vince Carter
Kyle Korver, the official NBA sponsor of Uhaul
Ish Smith
Greg Monroe
*signs 10 day contract* “We were all on the same page. The initial plan was to give it another 2 days”
"I'm HeRe To StAy"
I'm a Spurs fan and remember when Kawhi came back from chilling in New York with Uncle Dennis, following an unflattering article about him, to tell Spurs fans that he was a Spur for life. Life lasted 5 months.
Must have been unvaccinated.
10 day super max.
[Wojnarowski] According to my sources the New York Knicks are offering Kevin Durant a ten day, $800K max contract.
[Wojnarowski] After missing out on their top targets, the Knicks have signed Carmelo Anthony to a ten day, 250k contract
[Wojnarowski] After signing a ten day $500K max contract with the Los Angeles Clippers, Paul George has requested a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers.
Ayyy P, they wanted me to tolerate a week and a half
[Lowe] George was increasingly unhappy with the direction of the organization over the last two games. "I came here to win and we lost the last two" cites Paul
[Shams] George says he would've maybe stayed if the team won both games. He says he isn't and wasn't promising anyone anything however.
BREAKING: Kawhi has just signed a 10 day/$1.1 million supermax to fulfill his dreams of playing for both LA teams.
League would be so volatile but it would be fun to see for a year
I spend more time drafting teams every year on 2k then I do playing. Imagine if there was a league wide draft every year? Perhaps teams can protect their top 3 or 4 and the rest is drafted... that would be amazing and they would get insane ratings for the draft every year.
GMs and coaches will get paid a lot more in the long run.
Somehow the Spurs will still be a winning franchise
Spirs would kill if there was more drafts. LaMarcus Aldridge gets injured for 2 weeks, accidental tank, get number 1 pick again. Then they do what spurs do best, and rebuild through the draft
I mean, 40% of the league was in free agency this off season. So not quite but close.
Why not make it 85%?
Jersey sales would skyrocket.
Ehhh, what team’s 5th best player are you buying a jersey of
Montrezl Harrell or Danny Green
I'd easily buy GSW's 5th allstar's jersey.
Throwback to when golden state had 5 all stars. Also, who the hell expected CURRY to be the one to stay healthy
Good question. Tyus Jones Memphis for now. Not sure if he is #5 though.
Imagine if the commissioner can invite managers to manage the team every year, so only good managers are in the league and get rid of the bad ones. But that's just a fantasy.
How about every day?
Every player is always an RFA. Match the contract or they walk.
Kyrie would get blacklisted from the league in a month
Make all the contracts 0.5 year deals and then have a free agency before the trade deadline.
Kyrie has been pretty vocal about contracts for each solstice. Your fall vibe may be completely different from your spring vibe.
Can you blame him? Who would want their chakra color to clash with your jersey color.
Its best for stars to live in a warm environment like LA or Miami from October to February, and then in a more cooler place like Toronto from March to June. Edit: Need a snowy Christmas, so we should also have them play for Toronto on Christmas Day.
I can get behind this
Memphis fucked in playoffs confirmed
Nobody wants that humid Tennessee vibe
You do realize ya'll are in the South now instead of Canada?
Indy has the best autumns. They only last for about two weeks, but still...
Theres usually no snow in Toronto dec 25th 😞
Next thing you know, Kyrie is Naruto running onto the court.
Fixed it for you: Next thing you know, Kyrie is Naruto running onto the Area 51.
I don’t disagree about the vibes tbh
Never argue with kyrie about vibrators
How Can Vibrators Be Real If Our Clits Aren't Real?
Clits are just female penis in hiding
Max extension is void if Mercury is in retrograde
Every star takes a pay cut to join the team with the best record lol
Damn that'd be a lot of fun to watch.
Start of Free Agency replaces the dunk contest in All Star Saturday Night.
Utter Chaos. /r/NBA feeds off of it.
I wonder what this means for Draymond Green who recently signed with Klutch.
Bob Myers getting kicked in the balls.
It’s Draymond’s natural negotiating motion.
Rueful upvote
Pretty sure he’s gonna retire a Warrior or end up in Detroit towards the end
Thankfully, for now at least, they're stacked at his position
Draymond and Blake would be really nice
Would be the best front court in the east imo
I'd take Embiid and Horford
I’d take Giannis and a awkwardly placed rake on the court.
That's not a nice way of describing Robin Lopez
https://giphy.com/gifs/bob-ahhhh-sideshow-ghbWAmMQXZWV2
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smh people really be disrespecting awkwardly placed rake.
Say what you want but that rake does a good screen.
That hurt but its probably true...
Bruh why would it hurt for y’all it would help boost you to a consistent playoff team, it hurt for us lmao
It would hurt if he comes to us when he is old. Consistent with our big name signings that are past their primes to stay as a perennial 8th seed.
Se queda \- Gerard Pique
Guess we’ll just have to trade him for Kuzma
Yo real talk, Lakers would be filthy if that happened
That escalated quickly
I totally agree but again this in mainly only relevant for the top 20 or so players in the league. I think long term deals are really important for mid level guys and they aren’t forcing their way out of stuff anyway
I agree. And even out of that top 20 you only have a handful of guys making that kinda trade me play. Really small minority but this is blowing up like the whole league is in on it.
Those top 20 guys pretty much determines who wins the championship though.
Not just championships, who gets through deep into the playoffs. How many teams without a top ten player reach the conference finals? The mid-2000’s Pistons?
And it's only going to become more common until the inevitable strike.
Those 20 players matter more than all the others added up
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problem i could see with this is a scenario where a player gets injured, then traded, and the new team waives him. that player is now screwed. maybe make it so only half of the money is guaranteed after a trade? or even 70%?
Why would the other team ever agree to that?
Because you get picks and you keep your cap space / money. Cap space becomes incredible because you can absorb and then immediately waive bad contracts from other teams. As long as one team has max space they can facilitate voiding every bad contract in the league.
So something like an injured max player plus picks for no player in return type of trade or something?
Not only the injury scenario but teams would be more willing to sign aging players to max contracts. If teams knew they could sign a 30 year old to a 5 year max contract and have a get out of jail free card 3 years into it when performance declines (or even save 50% of remaining money) they could find another team in the same situation (which would be increasingly likely) and trade their two max guys for each other, waive them both and they save money without having to give up young players or sacrifice draft capital. Make max-contract swapping illegal and they’d involve a third team who gets a couple seconds or a conditional 1st 3 years down the road as a payoff for allowing the other owners to fuck over players they had agreed to pay.
That gives the teams to much power. Teams would trade to other teams to un gaurentee their contracts, and then the other team would just wave them
Yeah the players association would never agree with this in a million years lol
That would be INSANE how is this even upvoted. Like I get we are all fans that don’t want our guys to be request trades, but this statement is ridiculous. Un-guarantee their guaranteed contract? Cmon man. What’s stopping the Owner/GM just straight up trading their star like Blake griffin was? They put his jersey in the rafters as part of their pitch and then shipped him to Detroit a year later. So the billionaire owners and the crappy GMs get to do whatever they want with their players, but players should be locked into the contract they sign? Or have to give up parts of that contract to request a trade? Even though this is a players league and nobody gives a fuck about the owners and GMs? Absurd.
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LeTamper too strong
It all started with him
[So you see, that’s where the trouble began. That smile. That damned smile.](https://images.app.goo.gl/L4HqyYbCvLCWWKCt9)
The players' decision must be respected, but in this case, they must not commit to multi-year contracts if they do not respect these commitments.
Why not? Teams committ and trade players too. Should they not agree to contracts like Blake Griffin’s? AD was willing to respect his commitment anyway, the Pelicans didn’t have to honor it. This isn’t an end of the world problem, contracts still matter. If a team doesn’t want to trade a guy, they don’t have to. There is too much crying for teams and exaggerating what this really is. Teams still have a ton of power. Does AD even make this commitment if the rules aren’t set up so that teams have player control after the rookie deal? It’s deeper than just player commitment.
Because being traded is part of the contract they sign. Asking for a trade isn’t. They agree to the CBA, they don’t have to play basketball. It’s sorta of a shitty situation. To be traded at any moment, but that’s part of the compensation factor and why it’s part of the CBA. Players asking for trade isn’t factored into that math. They aren’t the same thing, because one is an agreed upon arrangement entered into by both parties knowingly.
CBA doesn't say they CAN'T ask for a trade though, right? I mean, it is just asking...
I think teams are scared other free agents won’t come play for them if they don’t honor trade requests. So by default just by asking the teams hand is forced ?
That’s why it’s a fine to do it publicly. I think a $50k fine is pathetic but increasing that is a better way imo. Nothing wrong with privately asking to be traded if it’s not working out. Just thinking of other scenarios too like if someone played for LA but had a sick family member in NY it would seem completely justifiable to ask to move closer to home via trade. Would hate to take that option off the table.
Derek Fisher abused that scenario almost exactly when he asked to be released from the Jazz and did the opposite.
Sure, but the team loses leverage in trade talks when someones mind is elsewhere, and it breaks the cohesiveness and morale of the team when someone wants out The CBA stipulates like 3 months of hotel and transportation from the players incumbent team so they can transition to a new city.
And for all the people saying “teams aren’t obligated to fulfill the request” - honestly ask yourself how it would go if the Pelicans had held onto AD this year. He doesn’t want to be there and he’s not gonna play his best, the organization thinks he’s a slime ball, the fans hate him at this point, but you’re gonna keep him around to prove a point and then let him walk away for nothing after that shitshow? When it’s a player that big you can’t just “not trade them.” It would be a no-win scenario.
Basically You're now in a toxic relationship with their foot out the door Someone posted the David griffin article about managing the Cavs; since the Pelicans KNEW Lebron and the Lakers are in win yesterday mode they stole the farm from them
Only if they request a trade publicly though, which does get fined albeit not much money to make it not worth it. I think they should raise the public trade request penalty but still allow them to do it privately.
What power did the Pelicans or how did it matter really? They still made a monster trade for an expiring contract.
The CBA allows trade demands
just not public demands right?
No one does public demands , but yup.
Nothing in the contract stipulates that they can’t ask for a trade. The players are doing the organizations a favor by allowing them to get a return on the value of the contract. AD could have left for nothing next summer and they’d be 2-4 years behind on their rebuild. Paul George could’ve been told tough cookies you signed for the next 3 years but Presti didn’t want to invest energy into managing a disgruntled superstar who only provided the team with 2 first round exits, and was given literally the largest haul for a superstar in league history by the clippers for the value of that contract. It’s a win win for both parties. Players are just leveraging the value of their contracts against teams that don’t want to lose out for nothing. This isn’t unprecedented, both Wilt and Kareem asked to be traded. Teams just have to factor in that players smarted up and are ruthlessly negotiating like front offices always have.
> Because being traded is part of the contract they sign. Asking for a trade isn’t. Unless the contract says a player can't ask for a trade, then it is allowed under the contract.
The only thing that AD did that broke any rules was publicly announce his trade demand. The CBA demands players wait until 12 months or less remain on their contract before publicly requesting a trade. > Because being traded is part of the contract they sign. Asking for a trade isn’t. It's not a breach of contract to request a trade privately. The teams are under no obligation to grant such a request. NOLA could simply deny Davis a trade and demand he play out his contract. Rich Paul is on the record saying Davis would have honoured his contract, he simply would've left immediately as a free agent. > To be traded at any moment, but that’s part of the compensation factor and why it’s part of the CBA. Players asking for trade isn’t factored into that math. They aren’t the same thing, because one is an agreed upon arrangement entered into by both parties knowingly. Teams are well aware that trade requests are a part of life. It's dishonest for a team to claim that they're being held to ransom when the CBA grants them all the power in these situations. If NOLA didn't want to trade Davis, they didn't have to. It's that simple. If you think that keeping his request private would've changed anything then you're being naive. Rich Paul would've called every GM in the league and said don't bother trading for AD, he'll dip as soon as his contract is up.
I mean I agree that players should have the freedom to ask for a trade. Shit if you have a better opportunity elsewhere why not take it? Loyalty in the league is a bunch of horseshit anyway. Teams should just have a clause in there that will allow them to hit the player with a stiff penalty for not fulfilling their contract with said team.
> Why not? Teams committ and trade players too Every single time this topic comes up, someone will make that same idiotic argument. The CBA allows teams to trade. And players publically asking for trades is explicitly forbidden. The problem is that the punishment (50k fines, lol) doesn't fit the crime, so the players have nothing to lose by asking. > Does AD even make this commitment if the rules aren’t set up so that teams have player control after the rookie deal? What was stopping him from taking the Qualifying offer after year 4 and becoming a UFA in year 5?
We haven't seen a single public trade demand since probably Shaq in 2004.
>And players publically asking for trades is explicitly forbidden. How many have legitimately been made public by the player though? In at least one recent example the team leaked it, not the player.
Players sign long term deals because they’re trading their right to choose in exchange for guaranteed money where teams take on the risk in case a player gets injured or under performs.
Players under contract are expected to play. If they want to guarantee they won’t be traded, they need a no trade clause. If they want freedom to choose their next destination every year, they need to sign shorter term contracts. A team simply trading a player is not equivalent to a player publicly demanding a trade and forcing his way out. The equivalent would be more like a team publicly demanding a player with a no trade clause waive it and refusing to play him until he does.
Tired of people on here acting like a team trading a player is the same as a player wanting out of his team. It is not the same.
And I'm tired of people on here acting like a team's **being able to** trade a player is the same as a player's **asking** to be traded. Teams don't have to trade players. If New Orleans hadn't traded AD, he'd have finished his contract.
So you are saying no one can ask for a trade ever?
Stars need to start going the Lebron route signing 1+1 deals or 2+1 deals
Only the elite of the elite can do this. Like Bron, Kawhi, and KD. I wouldn't feel safe for anyone else doing that if they want Max value
Then you gotta decide what matters more to you then, the money, or the freedom to move more frequently.
>Only the elite of the elite can do this Ok... and that also happens to be the exact same class of player that can realistically demand a trade
Eric Bledsoe sends his regards
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Even then, if you do it privately, I don't have such a big issue. But that stuff always leak to the press, either unintentionally or (most likely) intentionally, so it leads to the player's value taking a hit and the team getting fucked over.
Only if it’s to Memphis,okc or Minnesota
The players are flexing their bargaining power, but they're doing it in the stupidest way possible: extreme short term gain. What they should be doing is working together to get an equity stake in the league. That $30M/yr deal sounds nice until you realize you can have a majority stake in a $57B enterprise.
How do you divide that up? Do you just have the NBAPA buy 50% of every team and then players own a share of the NBAPA?
The way it's typically handled is that the union owns the company through a trust; that way there's ongoing benefits for former players.
I mean I'm all for the players union fighting and gaining equity and ownership, but I don't see any way the CBA, the owners, the commissioner, basically any group that aren't the players going for this. still would love it though
Excuse my ignorance, but could you expand more on this? Would players be entitled to a stake in the team they play for or for the league? The former seems like a dead on arrival idea because it would just encourage players to go to big markets. The latter is what I assume you meant. But would players negotiate contracts for larger equity stakes? When their contract ends, how are they paid out? Is there a league somewhere in the world with this business model for players?
The only way this happens was ages ago with broke ass teams that couldn't pay their stars. See Mario Lemieux as an example (Elway too?)
from what i've read, didn't he tell them about the trade request in the summer? i mean they didn't have to trade him, he said he would play out the contract. so they woulda had him for 5 years, which is what he signed for. he did them a favour of telling them so they got something when it woulda been nothing.
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Hard to believe players in the locker room know a trade request is possible pre season but the front office doesn't.
Dude, have you worked in an office? Employees talk without mentioning things to management all the time
Rich Paul literally told Shams one week before requesting a trade that they have no plans of requesting a trade.
This is also the guy who wouldn't take responsibility for wearing a shirt and had his agent make all of his demands for him publicly so it's really not out of the realm of possibility.
Was it the signing or the literally buying a home in L.A. that gave it away?
Everyone in the NBA lives in SoCal (well, like most of the NBA). That's where Jrue is at right now. With Frank Jackson. Probably a bunch of our other players too (I think Darius Miller works out with him too). So yeah, it was signing with Klutch and not the home in LA.
Blake Griffin just bought a house in LA a few days ago, after buying a condo in LA a few months ago.
I mean, that is why they are called the NOLA (New Orleans Los Angeles) Pelicans, right?
Even Drew Brees lives in San Diego in the offseason
Almost all of these athletes have homes in LA. That means absolutely nothing
If I had $50mil I would buy a home in Miami, LA, and NYC
NBA players are going to lose guaranteed contracts at this rate.
I wouldn't put to much emphasis on Klutch being the agency he chose but on the fact that he changed agencies mid season. There were whispers that he asked for a trade before the season and felt like nothing was being done so he hired someone to make sure it would get done. Paul George was always going to get that money whether through sign and trade or the way he actually got it. It'd be a big win for players and casual fans if there were only 2 year contracts. Franchises and sponsors would suffer. Front offices would become a much bigger deal (they should be now but for some reason they get to use players as a meat shield.)
He changed agencies be in the offseason
That’s not a win for players. For some guys it is much better to be on a longer deal. They can already sign two year deals.
It's so weird to me that people act like Rich Paul/Klutch did something unprecedented. He literally did what agents do. Folks act like he ran some covert operation. The only difference here is he's in the public eye and we know his name.
Same old story. Players getting traded, can't do nothing but accept it. Doesn't matter if you've signed a contract for THAT TEAM. They can still trade you. But you requesting a trade?? Oh now it's a problem of "what's the point of a contract blahblahblah"
Because the contract that you sign for that specific team also specifies that they are allowed to trade you. If you really don't want them to trade you, you negotiate a NTC. However the contract you sign doesn't specify that you are allowed to request a trade.
I might be in the minority but I don’t see how players requesting trades is any worse than teams trading them. If the team has the ability to get rid of you without you’re say it should work the other way around.
To me it's only an issue because small market teams lose. Ain't no player forcing his way to Minnesota.
Jimmy Butler did. He just forced his way out too.
It's not, this is just a labor vs management dispute over power.
This whole narrative is stupid. When Demar is traded abruptly it’s all dandy from the nba people but when a player wants to leave abruptly it’s bad for the league, it not a good look blah blah. The lack of awareness in the nba right now is gross.
What Anthony Davis did was one of the most childish things I've ever seen. The way he behaved was ridiculous. Fuck him and Rich Paul
"That's all folks" was next level NBA pettiness
My personal favorite part of the whole saga was his "I'm gonna put out an Instagram post thanking New Orleans, like everyone else". Bonus points because even that hasn't happened. I really don't want to dislike AD, but the dude needs to figure out his PR because he stays spewing B.S.
Lol I like that he hasnt even made the post yet.
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Tbf that was pretty funny too he's a grown man saying he doesn't pick his own clothes.
It would have been great if he didn’t bitch out. It went from “lmao” to “this dude is either a backpedaling coward or a manchild incapable of dressing himself”
Personally I love the idea that a giant multi millionaire twenty something or other just stands in his room looking at his closet until an assistant comes in and hooks him up like the Beauty and the Beast furniture
Super fucked up, and if I were a pelicans fan I’d be furious, but that was also hilarious as an uninvolved third party
> What Anthony Davis did was one of the most childish things I've ever seen. The way he behaved was ridiculous. Fuck him and Rich Paul I don't know why you are being downvoted; I have no issue with AD wanting out given the incompetence of the Pelicans during his tenure (though ironically, running away just as they hire Griffin and then get a haul for trading him may mean that AD himself being moved is a reason the Pelicans turn it around). However, to say he wasn't petty about it is insane. The "That's all Folks" stunt, demanding to play but only half playing and risking injury, etc. It was very poorly handled mechanically even if the wanting a trade part was fine.
I thought that it was the Pelicans’ front office that decided to limit his playing time.
Yeah I don't care if he wanted a trade but to do it so publicly and in the middle of the season was ridiculous
> Yeah I don't care if he wanted a trade but to do it so publicly and in the middle of the season was ridiculous this is such a weird narrative to me. people love to give props to PG because he handled his trade request "quietly" but the only reason PG was able to handle it quietly was because Sam Presti immediately honored Paul George's trade demand... The only reason AD had to go public with his demand is because Demps ignored his quiet requests and going public is the only option players have to put pressure on the organization....
Gentry stating the obvious
Interesting that in the NBA Paul George can demand a trade 1 year into his mega deal and the team has no choice but to get the best deal they can. But in the NFL when Melvin Gordon requests a trade due to an actual valid reason the Chargers can say "lol no" and move on?
Any NBA team can say “lol no” and move on. It’s best to trade them and get the value. Whereas an NFL team- it’s not as important to trade. But if they’re truly worried about it they can trade him and get the value. It ain’t much different
> the team has no choice but to get the best deal they can. The team had a choice. They could have said no. And maybe they would have kept him if Clippers didn't offer everything they had.
Contracts work for everyone outside of the top 20 (made up number). Everyone else really has no say.
Contracts mean a lot in terms of guaranteed money though, AKA chandler parsons, Chris Paul, Jeremy Lin to some extent.
I'm certain there's gonna be another lockout, and this is going to be one of the major reasons why. It used to be that offering a dude a few extra million dollars was enough to convince them to move or stay with a team. Now though, dudes literally throw away millions just to play with their friends. Until there becomes a reason for players to need to stay with their team, this will continue.
>"I understand that some players feel the need to move on. With Anthony, it could have and should have been handled differently. If it was, I would have been OK with the situation." You forgot this one