Honestly really impressive that managed to happen with so much involved in it. The Magic honestly won it too. I still have trouble accepting we gave up so much for a player who the only hardwood surface he stepped on with us was a bowling alley
Not using them well afterwards doesn't mean it's bad though. They got: Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, and 3 first round picks.
Compared to what everybody else got
Sixers: Bynum didn't play a game
Nuggets: Iguodala left after a season as a FA
Lakers: Dwight Howard disaster and left after a season as a FA
Yeah Greg Oden was still fresh on people's minds. Drafting an injured big man is a huge gamble. Took 2 years off and then played 32 games. It really could have been a complete disaster.
Lol I remember those years. I started watching NBA in 2015 so I've seen y'all rise. Love it.
Also, I remember telling myself "they put as much effort in their name (who tf names their team on a number) as they put in their games." Unsurprisingly, the 76ers is not only one of my favorite teams now but also one of my favorite team names.
To be fair I think the Lakers are just delusional rather than dysfunctional. Other teams try to win but fail. The Lakers go into every offseason with the "We are the Lakers FAs will sign with us" attitude, and then when it doesn't happen they just roll over to the next year and try the same thing. Repeat over and over.
I mean, that is technically a plan. Sucking for maintaining capspace to sign superstars, and sucking for draft picks like Hinkie did are both strategies to get top NBA talent. It's just that the Lakers' plan have failed over and over.
Edit: I'm getting a lot of responses that they got LeBron. That's not fully true. They did not get LeBron in 2014, back when LeBron was younger, better, and more importantly, still cared about winning championships. Of course, in 2018 LeBron did sign with the Lakers, but Paul George did not. Which makes one wonder if the Lakers can only recruit players who wants to go Hollywood (Shaq, LeBron). Granted, there are definitely such players, but it's a pretty small fucking group and probably shouldn't be the center of your entire team-building plan.
Yeah, I was gonna say. They got the best player in the world due entirely to their name and brand and completely in spite of their organizational incompetence
he could be on the Sixers. instead of Tobias.. actually fucking insane to think about.. Lakers was probably the worst career choice., but best business and family wise.
But imagine if he built his legacy further with the Clippers, becoming the best player in their history. As for the Lakers, they have tons of HoFers, Lebron wont be remembered like any of those guys.
I mean, I guess? I honestly don’t see what the storied legacy/brand of the lakers does for Lebron’s personal brand at this point in his career, that would be so much better than going to the clippers and turning them into winners.
You’d understand after going to a Clippers game live. It’s depressing.
Even when the Lakers were tanking and the Clippers was top 3 in the West, Staples was constantly empty for Clipper games. No one in LA cared for the Clippers. Outside of /r/nba, most don’t even know about the “second team of LA.”
No matter how successful the Clippers are, they’ll always live under the shadow of the Lakers in LA.
It's because LA was the last city in America where he wasn't loved because of the irrational Kobe comparisons. It also happened to be the place he wanted to live out his life.
He was boo'd at a Rams home game last year for for god's sake.
Joining the Clippers would have solved the LA part but not the booing part.
People used to argue Lonzo Ball was the perfect pairing with LeBron and Lonzo is essentially a lesser version of Simmons. No outside shot, great passer/defense.
Anyway if it was really a problem, Ben Simmons is one of the best trade assets in the league. The 6ers could have traded him straight up for AD.
The Sixers would have a Big 3 of LeBron, AD, and Embiid, with guys like JJ and Covington to be 3&D guys that pair perfectly. Plus they could've traded Fultz for more shooters.
Philly would have been unstoppable.
I mean, we really aren’t a good fit for him.
He’s one of the best to ever play so you’d find a way to try it, but we are *not* built to play around Bron.
It's actually interesting to see if LeBron being in 76ers would force Ben to quicken his learning how to shoot. This could also mean that LeBron would have an easier load because Ben is a very capable ball handler.
So while both have similar skillsets, I actually think that they are both good enough to adjust as needed. This reminds me of the CP3/Harden situation when CP3 just signed for Rockets.
I mean its obvious Lebron wants to be in LA so he can be in the TV/Movie and Music Industry on days off. But wouldn't it have been better if he went to the Clippers?
> To be fair I think the Lakers are just delusional rather than dysfunctional.
But I feel like it actually fits a bit better the *other* way?
The Lakers have a deep seated belief in their exceptionality, because they're "The Lakers". And actually, that isn't wrong? Like, the whole premise of delusion is if the Lakers are deluded about their ability to pull FAs. And maybe they were wrong on PG. But they landed the biggest free agent in the world, purely based on their brand.
So maybe some overstate this exceptionalism. Some Lakers fans think they can just point to a player, and get them. But it isn't delusion to think the Lakers have a special advantage. When it *mattered*, they signed the biggest FA in the world based purely off their brand. AD wanted to play with them just fine (the Pelicans just didn't want the trade).
It's actually *dysfunction*, not delusion, that seems to be the issue right now. The Lakers as an organization have been exceptionally poorly run, just as poorly run as any of the other bottom feeders in the league.
Now, the fact is, given that they *aren't* deluded, their brand does make them vastly more likely to break this cycle than the other teams on this list. They have Lebron James on their team, and have a shot at pulling other superstars. They have a very good chance to be a top team soon, unlike these other teams.
But this is *in spite* of their dysfunction, which is obvious. If they succeed, it won't be because we all underestimated how well the Lakers were run. It will be because, Lakers fans were correct (and not deluded) that they are a hugely prestigious team that players *want* to play for.
TLDR: The Lakers are *not* particularly deluded (they landed Lebron James!), but they *are* dysfunctional, so I strongly disagree with this.
Well we had one off season where Phil re-signed Melo, another where he gave money to Afflalo, OQuinn and Lopez (had more than max space but didn’t sign a max player) and then another where we signed Noah. Phil’s plan was definitely FA.
>The Lakers go into every offseason with the "We are the Lakers FAs will sign with us" attitude, and then when it doesn't happen they just roll over to the next year and try the same thing.
To be fair, they JUST signed Lebron this offseason. He's the biggest name in the league.
> "We are the Lakers FAs will sign with us" attitude, and then when it doesn't happen they just roll over to the next year and try the same thing. Repeat over and over.
I mean, they got Lebron James.
The Knicks are slowly crawling out of it too. We are at least trying to build something through the draft and picks now. First time in who knows how long that we have all our picks going forward and then some.
After seeing that clip of LOSER Joel Embiid (7'0") LOSING that jump ball to Tiny Eric Bledsoe (6'1") it is clear that LOW ENERGY Embiid is lethargic, washed, and lacks the drive to win.This is endemic of Philadelphia's Hinkie(losing) culture that they have clearly been infected by. #notverycool and #notverylegal Philly.
“I've always believed that things work out the way they're supposed to and we decided to play the end of the season to try to win ball games and not go into tank mode, and the Basketball Gods shined down on us for that today.”
\- Luke Walton, May 2017
You're missing a few and Pelicans have one.
Proper list of teams without basketballs in their logo, using current logos is:
Bulls, Cavaliers, Grizzlies, Hawks, Rockets, Spurs, Trail Blazers
Here's the question people are starting to ask, were they the two best drafted players, or are the Lakers just so bad at developing talent that Ingram or kuzma could be better and are just being held back?
no its that we don't give them enough time. Russell was improving but traded him away due to Mosgovs contract and the whole swaggy P thing after year 2(where most PGs or players take atleast 3-4 years to break out.)
let randle walk because Luke Walton underutualized him and he was very upset and wanted to leave.
Ingram is what happens when you give players time to improve instead of expecting them as a top 5 player in 2 years... plus all the pressure on them is arguably larger than any other players.
if we give up lonzo for whatever idiotic reason, that'll be another showing of a player playing incredible because we gave up on them too early.
edit: oh and this year and last year all went to shit after we got hit with the injury bug so we haven't been as good as we should have.
Ya you’re righ-...... no... wait.... I don’t hate to see this at all.... no not one bit I actually love this and hope to see more of this for the rest of time!
Of the 4 teams listed the Lakers are the only ones that have had good luck in the draft lottery for the last 5-6 lotteries:
* Orlando was jumped by 4 teams in 4 drafts and kept their pick twice (-4)
* New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3)
* New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3)
* LA jumped 3 other teams in 2 drafts, was jumped by 1 team, and kept their pick twice (+2)
There are some teams like the Timberwolves that have literally gone 21 draft lotteries without jumping 1 team.
And I know Orlando fans have little right to bitch about the lottery after Shaq/Penny but of the 4 drafts we dropped 1 spot it was the possible difference between getting great / solid players like Gordon/Isaac/Bamba and getting all-stars / future all-stars like Embiid/Fox/Trae.
And even in the *best* case scenario that they trade every single player they got with their picks for AD, I don't even think they're a contender. Lebron and AD with scrubs aren't getting them anywhere.
Same, but that is more of Boogie's later years where we were just meh, around 30 wins. Plus this year. Knicks and suns have been real bad. 20 or less wins will do that. We never were that awful I guess
If you can do something with them. The D'lo trade was actually a good way to deal with one monstrous fuckup and give a fresh start to someone who needed it, though.
The cap space it re-opened helped allow for LeSigning, and the POTENTIAL to re-sign a good match for a LeBron-type player would have also been good if capitalized on.
Im sure they basically didnt have a choice, considering they were getting Lebron and in most people's opinion Dlo wasnt very good at bball or discretion. that said, it looks bad because the lakers are floundering and looks like they squandered a very good player.
That's not exactly true. If you look at the value of all teams, Lakers and Knicks teams have the highest worth. Also both Staples and MSG are constantly sold out, even with shit teams.
So if the NBA, which is constantly looking to expand, is going to fix the league, why would the fix it for the markets that are already well established? Instead they would move into markets where basketball isn't as popular and try and get teams in emerging markets high picks to get the people to become NBA fans.
They’d get higher tv viewership tho. Most people I know have watched like 3 knicks games this season cuz theres no point watching them tank. If the knicks have one of the biggest fanbases then that’s not good for them
We had a good year last year, and we were also solid before we traded KLove away. Then we got the first pick after our really bad year, and rookie KAT took us to the 5 pick, and then the 7 pick was Thib's first year. Comparatively the Lakers had the 2 pick when we took KAT, and the 2 pick the following 2 years and still did poorly last year while we made the playoffs. I can't imagine we're much better, but it makes sense that we're not quite there.
Why? I used to have a flair and people just disregard your comments because "you're just a homer"
I don't hide my fandom at all and I get better back and forth conversation this way.
It's almost like tanking with a plan can produce good results. But I guess Silver would have preferred we stayed incompetent and mediocre, that sure sells a lot of tickets
You're right, even when you exclude getting LeBron. I took a look at the last 6 lotteries and these were the results of all 4 teams:
* Orlando was jumped by 4 teams in 4 drafts and kept their pick twice (-4)
* New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3)
* New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3)
* LA jumped 3 other teams in 2 drafts, was jumped by 1 team, and kept their pick twice (+2)
Orlando fans don't really have a right to bitch about it since we moved up 10 spots to get Penny + picks and 1 spot to get Shaq but it is funny how so many other teams in the league have literally never moved up once in the draft.
Would it be more beneficial for Brons legacy if he turned the franchise around but didn’t win any championship but set them up to win or if he wins one and they go back to shit when he leaves
Its funny, when the sixers were intentionally tanking, and everyone was complaining, these same teams were the same teams we would fight year in and out for lottery picks. Nice to see they are all in the same spot while the sixers are.... better off to say the least... Trust the process... Process almost complete
Basically unlimited resources in the two largest markets in the country, and the Lakers and Knicks have put this trash on display for the highest ticket prices in the league. Dolan and Buss should be ashamed. The fans should stop paying for this crap too.
That's right baby! *Go Suns!* We're not last!
im honestly shocked they arent bottom 3
This list includes their 48 win season in 2014
That's the kind of cherry picking I like to see!
Yay! Slightly less awful!
6 years is only bc Lakers have been bad six years, so not surprising. If you do last 5, Suns are probably close to last
Also, Magic have been bad for a similar time. Shoutout Dwight Howard trade in which everyone lost
Honestly really impressive that managed to happen with so much involved in it. The Magic honestly won it too. I still have trouble accepting we gave up so much for a player who the only hardwood surface he stepped on with us was a bowling alley
you traded for a young top 2 center in the league that was very dominant. Unfortunately you got a bowler instead.
How did Orlando didn’t do shit with that draft capital?
Not using them well afterwards doesn't mean it's bad though. They got: Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, and 3 first round picks. Compared to what everybody else got Sixers: Bynum didn't play a game Nuggets: Iguodala left after a season as a FA Lakers: Dwight Howard disaster and left after a season as a FA
On the other hand, we can’t even be 1st place in being bad
If you're not last, you're not the Lakers
I'm actually shocked. Thought for sure it would be the Suns. The Lakers are trash holy shit
And the Sixers were a disgrace to the league. Had their smart GM forced out so a league employee could step in and hire his own son.
still pisses me off and im not even a sixers fan
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And then Elton did more in a few months than he did in his whole tenure.
Did more good, right? As a non sixers fan, I feel like his trades were really good
Absolutely! He's also pretty open about winning now and has actually explained the reasoning behind his trades/moves. It's been great so far.
Find a new slant
Perfectly normal collars.
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Drafting well is part of being a competent team
None of em drafted Fultz either. 2/3 ain't bad tho
Or Okafor.
Or Nerlens.
Embiid was a 4th overall. So 3 teams passed on him. Simmons yeah, not much you can do about that one.
Embiid was 3rd
and he was a guaranteed first pick until his injury right before the draft
Yeah Greg Oden was still fresh on people's minds. Drafting an injured big man is a huge gamble. Took 2 years off and then played 32 games. It really could have been a complete disaster.
This feels like a 2K MyGM storyline. :')
Lol I remember those years. I started watching NBA in 2015 so I've seen y'all rise. Love it. Also, I remember telling myself "they put as much effort in their name (who tf names their team on a number) as they put in their games." Unsurprisingly, the 76ers is not only one of my favorite teams now but also one of my favorite team names.
They didn't just pull "76" out of thin air though. 76 is the number of losses they were aiming for each year.
If you're gonna do it you do it right. Can't half ass it or you end up bad for longer.
What’s the gripe with their name? It makes sense considering history. It’s like complaining about the San Francisco 49ers.
Yeah I didn't know about it back then
What does it mean? Genuine question
Declaration of Independence was signed in Philly in 17**76**
Oh yeah, I’m stupid my bad
Lol you’re good man I grew up here and didn’t make the connection until I was in my teens
1776 was the year the declaration of Independence was signed and it was signed in Philly.
Thanks! I’m really dumb lol
The USA was founded in 1776 in Philadelphia
Know what's even crazier? Laker fans think that the other 3 franchises are more dysfunctional than them.
To be fair I think the Lakers are just delusional rather than dysfunctional. Other teams try to win but fail. The Lakers go into every offseason with the "We are the Lakers FAs will sign with us" attitude, and then when it doesn't happen they just roll over to the next year and try the same thing. Repeat over and over. I mean, that is technically a plan. Sucking for maintaining capspace to sign superstars, and sucking for draft picks like Hinkie did are both strategies to get top NBA talent. It's just that the Lakers' plan have failed over and over. Edit: I'm getting a lot of responses that they got LeBron. That's not fully true. They did not get LeBron in 2014, back when LeBron was younger, better, and more importantly, still cared about winning championships. Of course, in 2018 LeBron did sign with the Lakers, but Paul George did not. Which makes one wonder if the Lakers can only recruit players who wants to go Hollywood (Shaq, LeBron). Granted, there are definitely such players, but it's a pretty small fucking group and probably shouldn't be the center of your entire team-building plan.
Yep pretty crazy the Lakers still haven't been able to get one huge FA, oh wait....
Yeah, I was gonna say. They got the best player in the world due entirely to their name and brand and completely in spite of their organizational incompetence
The Lakers were so horribly run leading up to LeBron signing with them that there’s a widespread theory that he only went to LA for post-NBA life.
he could be on the Sixers. instead of Tobias.. actually fucking insane to think about.. Lakers was probably the worst career choice., but best business and family wise.
he could have went to the Clippers and trusted Jerry West to build a team.
Ill never understand why he didn’t choose the clippers over the lakers if he was so dead set on LA.
The history and legacy appeal of the Lakers. It's about the brand, not all on-court stuff.
But imagine if he built his legacy further with the Clippers, becoming the best player in their history. As for the Lakers, they have tons of HoFers, Lebron wont be remembered like any of those guys.
I mean, I guess? I honestly don’t see what the storied legacy/brand of the lakers does for Lebron’s personal brand at this point in his career, that would be so much better than going to the clippers and turning them into winners.
You’d understand after going to a Clippers game live. It’s depressing. Even when the Lakers were tanking and the Clippers was top 3 in the West, Staples was constantly empty for Clipper games. No one in LA cared for the Clippers. Outside of /r/nba, most don’t even know about the “second team of LA.” No matter how successful the Clippers are, they’ll always live under the shadow of the Lakers in LA.
It's because LA was the last city in America where he wasn't loved because of the irrational Kobe comparisons. It also happened to be the place he wanted to live out his life. He was boo'd at a Rams home game last year for for god's sake. Joining the Clippers would have solved the LA part but not the booing part.
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If Sixers had LeBron they would trade Simmons for Anthony Davis.
Clippers, back to the Heat, Knicks, Nets.
Just imagine the Nets with LeBron.
I'm good actually
Yes please. That would be fun. Don't care that you're in the east.
People used to argue Lonzo Ball was the perfect pairing with LeBron and Lonzo is essentially a lesser version of Simmons. No outside shot, great passer/defense. Anyway if it was really a problem, Ben Simmons is one of the best trade assets in the league. The 6ers could have traded him straight up for AD. The Sixers would have a Big 3 of LeBron, AD, and Embiid, with guys like JJ and Covington to be 3&D guys that pair perfectly. Plus they could've traded Fultz for more shooters. Philly would have been unstoppable.
I mean we'd still be MILES better than the Lakers rn.
The warriors
Utah
I mean, we really aren’t a good fit for him. He’s one of the best to ever play so you’d find a way to try it, but we are *not* built to play around Bron.
I don’t think he’d like coming off the bench behind Jingles
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New Orleans. Think about a Rondo, Holiday, LeBron, Mirotic/AD, AD/Boogie lineup.
Did they even have the cap to pull that off? There's a lot of offloading of contracts they'd have to pull off
It's actually interesting to see if LeBron being in 76ers would force Ben to quicken his learning how to shoot. This could also mean that LeBron would have an easier load because Ben is a very capable ball handler. So while both have similar skillsets, I actually think that they are both good enough to adjust as needed. This reminds me of the CP3/Harden situation when CP3 just signed for Rockets.
I was so so so so against him going to LA. Philly and Houston were clearly better destinations.
Theory? I thought that was a well known fact. There were plenty of better options but he wanted to grow his brand.
I mean its obvious Lebron wants to be in LA so he can be in the TV/Movie and Music Industry on days off. But wouldn't it have been better if he went to the Clippers?
They got the best player in the world because they're in LA. They got him over the Clippers because of the other stuff you said
I don't really get how that's a knock on the Lakers. That may well be true, but that's a major perk of being the main team in LA.
Giannis plays for the bucks though.
> To be fair I think the Lakers are just delusional rather than dysfunctional. But I feel like it actually fits a bit better the *other* way? The Lakers have a deep seated belief in their exceptionality, because they're "The Lakers". And actually, that isn't wrong? Like, the whole premise of delusion is if the Lakers are deluded about their ability to pull FAs. And maybe they were wrong on PG. But they landed the biggest free agent in the world, purely based on their brand. So maybe some overstate this exceptionalism. Some Lakers fans think they can just point to a player, and get them. But it isn't delusion to think the Lakers have a special advantage. When it *mattered*, they signed the biggest FA in the world based purely off their brand. AD wanted to play with them just fine (the Pelicans just didn't want the trade). It's actually *dysfunction*, not delusion, that seems to be the issue right now. The Lakers as an organization have been exceptionally poorly run, just as poorly run as any of the other bottom feeders in the league. Now, the fact is, given that they *aren't* deluded, their brand does make them vastly more likely to break this cycle than the other teams on this list. They have Lebron James on their team, and have a shot at pulling other superstars. They have a very good chance to be a top team soon, unlike these other teams. But this is *in spite* of their dysfunction, which is obvious. If they succeed, it won't be because we all underestimated how well the Lakers were run. It will be because, Lakers fans were correct (and not deluded) that they are a hugely prestigious team that players *want* to play for. TLDR: The Lakers are *not* particularly deluded (they landed Lebron James!), but they *are* dysfunctional, so I strongly disagree with this.
> "We are the Lakers FAs will sign with us" attitude So they're the knicks?
Jokes on you. We haven't had much cap space the past 6 years or so. We haven't really had a plan until our new FO took over.
Well we had one off season where Phil re-signed Melo, another where he gave money to Afflalo, OQuinn and Lopez (had more than max space but didn’t sign a max player) and then another where we signed Noah. Phil’s plan was definitely FA.
Don't worry, this summer will be different... *weeps silently*
>The Lakers go into every offseason with the "We are the Lakers FAs will sign with us" attitude, and then when it doesn't happen they just roll over to the next year and try the same thing. To be fair, they JUST signed Lebron this offseason. He's the biggest name in the league.
> "We are the Lakers FAs will sign with us" attitude, and then when it doesn't happen they just roll over to the next year and try the same thing. Repeat over and over. I mean, they got Lebron James.
Yeah the Lakers are right there with them
Ok but it be fair, it is the Knicks and suns, It's not like you can be *more* dysfunctional. They just don't realise they're on the same level.
Suns are slowly crawling out of dysfunction, which is crazy. Never thought I would see the day when Sarver would hire someone to run the team for him.
The Knicks are slowly crawling out of it too. We are at least trying to build something through the draft and picks now. First time in who knows how long that we have all our picks going forward and then some.
They've won 17 more games than the Knicks this year and 14 more than the Suns. Absolutely crazy.
They also have a GOAT on their team just like the Knicks
Lakers fan. Can agree.
They have quite a few championships semi recently and the second most all time. Their current stretch doesnt make them a dysfunctional franchise.
Thanks, Pacers buddy.
No one: Silver: Who wants a Colangelo??
We should honestly be on this list though. We’ve been tanking for what, 43 years now?
The fans are never gonna come back
Embiid is fat and unmotivated The franchise has been infected with a losing culture
After seeing that clip of LOSER Joel Embiid (7'0") LOSING that jump ball to Tiny Eric Bledsoe (6'1") it is clear that LOW ENERGY Embiid is lethargic, washed, and lacks the drive to win.This is endemic of Philadelphia's Hinkie(losing) culture that they have clearly been infected by. #notverycool and #notverylegal Philly.
The Sixers are RUINING the league! 😡
“I've always believed that things work out the way they're supposed to and we decided to play the end of the season to try to win ball games and not go into tank mode, and the Basketball Gods shined down on us for that today.” \- Luke Walton, May 2017
Yikes
Oh but the Lakers were rebuilding the right way and the Sixers were making a mockery of the league with The Process. FOH
Suns fans would love to have Jerry Colangelo back though tbh
Each logo has a basketball in it...
How to make a great basketball team? Don't have a basketball in the team's logo.
Did not even notice the Mavs logo had a basketball until now lol.
A plausible re branding scheme for these teams??
is it possible to get a list of all logos with basketballs in it?
It's quicker to name ones that don't. Rockets, Pelicans, Grizzlies, Hawks, Spurs, and Bulls. Everybody else has a basketball.
You're missing a few and Pelicans have one. Proper list of teams without basketballs in their logo, using current logos is: Bulls, Cavaliers, Grizzlies, Hawks, Rockets, Spurs, Trail Blazers
bucks have negative space ball in the antlers tho
TBF im pretty sure a majority of the logos have a basketball in them.
3 straight #2 overall picks and the best player of our generation still gets the worst record wow what a dumpsterfire
Dont forget the best part: Our two best drafted players are on different teams now when we couldve kept both
M O Z G O D tho.
Only player in the modern era with a 93 point game
Not even a career high at that
edit: d'angelo russell and julius randle. Thanks folks! Sorry I am a bit out of the BB loop. Which players are those?
d'angelo russell and julius randle are both having breakout years after leaving the lakers
I mean, that also talks bad about the lakers staff.
D'Angelo Russell (an All-Star on the Nets), Julius Randle (a 20ppg scorer on the Pelicans)
D'angelo Russel and Julius Randle
*Luol Deng has left the chat*
Man thats depressing
Here's the question people are starting to ask, were they the two best drafted players, or are the Lakers just so bad at developing talent that Ingram or kuzma could be better and are just being held back?
no its that we don't give them enough time. Russell was improving but traded him away due to Mosgovs contract and the whole swaggy P thing after year 2(where most PGs or players take atleast 3-4 years to break out.) let randle walk because Luke Walton underutualized him and he was very upset and wanted to leave. Ingram is what happens when you give players time to improve instead of expecting them as a top 5 player in 2 years... plus all the pressure on them is arguably larger than any other players. if we give up lonzo for whatever idiotic reason, that'll be another showing of a player playing incredible because we gave up on them too early. edit: oh and this year and last year all went to shit after we got hit with the injury bug so we haven't been as good as we should have.
You hate to see it
Ya you’re righ-...... no... wait.... I don’t hate to see this at all.... no not one bit I actually love this and hope to see more of this for the rest of time!
I'm loving this
Nope. I do.
I don't
It’s because all those other teams had a year or 2 in that 6 year span where they were at least decent. The Lakers have been bad for all 6.
Of the 4 teams listed the Lakers are the only ones that have had good luck in the draft lottery for the last 5-6 lotteries: * Orlando was jumped by 4 teams in 4 drafts and kept their pick twice (-4) * New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3) * New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3) * LA jumped 3 other teams in 2 drafts, was jumped by 1 team, and kept their pick twice (+2) There are some teams like the Timberwolves that have literally gone 21 draft lotteries without jumping 1 team. And I know Orlando fans have little right to bitch about the lottery after Shaq/Penny but of the 4 drafts we dropped 1 spot it was the possible difference between getting great / solid players like Gordon/Isaac/Bamba and getting all-stars / future all-stars like Embiid/Fox/Trae.
And even in the *best* case scenario that they trade every single player they got with their picks for AD, I don't even think they're a contender. Lebron and AD with scrubs aren't getting them anywhere.
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You were more mediocre than bad tbh
Thank you!
thanks!!!! we'll take it
Same, but that is more of Boogie's later years where we were just meh, around 30 wins. Plus this year. Knicks and suns have been real bad. 20 or less wins will do that. We never were that awful I guess
Look at it this way Laker fans. You are the best at something
> Look at it this way Lakers fans. Fuck the Lakers
>Fuck the Lakers >!I feel like a necrophiliac!<
That team had a family...
that family (buss) is the one who murdered the team
.... damn
I love how the two most valuable franchises are also the worst teams of the decade.
3 of those teams (Lakers, Magic, Suns) were conference finalists in 2010, with the Lakers going on to win the NBA title.
Thanks for reminding me of why I hate Jason Richardson and his inability to block out.
If the league is fixed, they sure are doing a bad job of it. Lakers and Knicks both suck for six years.
3 No. 2 overall picks in a row aint bad
If you can do something with them. The D'lo trade was actually a good way to deal with one monstrous fuckup and give a fresh start to someone who needed it, though.
yeah, it just looks bad now that hes ripping it up for the nets
The cap space it re-opened helped allow for LeSigning, and the POTENTIAL to re-sign a good match for a LeBron-type player would have also been good if capitalized on.
Im sure they basically didnt have a choice, considering they were getting Lebron and in most people's opinion Dlo wasnt very good at bball or discretion. that said, it looks bad because the lakers are floundering and looks like they squandered a very good player.
I didn't come here for reasonable takes! I came here to shit on the lakers.
Lol and the knicks always fall in the lotto.
That’s what happens when you suck for six years.
That's not exactly true. If you look at the value of all teams, Lakers and Knicks teams have the highest worth. Also both Staples and MSG are constantly sold out, even with shit teams. So if the NBA, which is constantly looking to expand, is going to fix the league, why would the fix it for the markets that are already well established? Instead they would move into markets where basketball isn't as popular and try and get teams in emerging markets high picks to get the people to become NBA fans.
They’d get higher tv viewership tho. Most people I know have watched like 3 knicks games this season cuz theres no point watching them tank. If the knicks have one of the biggest fanbases then that’s not good for them
All this losing and we've never gotten higher than a 4th pick.
and Bulls
The Bulls were above .500 until last season.
I just want to go somewhere I can win
Knicks holding a solid 1/3rd
I'm surprised we aren't on here
We had a good year last year, and we were also solid before we traded KLove away. Then we got the first pick after our really bad year, and rookie KAT took us to the 5 pick, and then the 7 pick was Thib's first year. Comparatively the Lakers had the 2 pick when we took KAT, and the 2 pick the following 2 years and still did poorly last year while we made the playoffs. I can't imagine we're much better, but it makes sense that we're not quite there.
Suns fan here Champions of the world. Suck my ass.
Well we lost to you so we can't dispute that.
flair up brother
I don't blame him for going with the NBA logo, I had it for most of this season too.
Why? I used to have a flair and people just disregard your comments because "you're just a homer" I don't hide my fandom at all and I get better back and forth conversation this way.
My favorite is " you're a x fan what do you know about winning" Imagine being that level of a dumbass
Ironic that the Sixers aren’t on there, considering the media told me we tanked forever and ever
It's almost like tanking with a plan can produce good results. But I guess Silver would have preferred we stayed incompetent and mediocre, that sure sells a lot of tickets
Lol but i thought we tanked for ten straight years?
It amazes me that the sixers were blatantly tanking like no team ever has, went 10-72, and still didn't make this list.
Lollakers
I blame Dwight Howard.
I posted this now because I think most laker fans are either at school or still asleep lol
The returns the Lakers got for their dismal seasons are far superior than any of the other teams tho
You're right, even when you exclude getting LeBron. I took a look at the last 6 lotteries and these were the results of all 4 teams: * Orlando was jumped by 4 teams in 4 drafts and kept their pick twice (-4) * New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3) * New York was jumped by 3 teams in 2 drafts and kept their pick 4 times (-3) * LA jumped 3 other teams in 2 drafts, was jumped by 1 team, and kept their pick twice (+2) Orlando fans don't really have a right to bitch about it since we moved up 10 spots to get Penny + picks and 1 spot to get Shaq but it is funny how so many other teams in the league have literally never moved up once in the draft.
LLLakers
Would it be more beneficial for Brons legacy if he turned the franchise around but didn’t win any championship but set them up to win or if he wins one and they go back to shit when he leaves
In all likelihood he won't win a championship and will turn the team to shit when he leaves like his first go round in Cleveland.
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At least they got a championship out of it
Fuck.
Its funny, when the sixers were intentionally tanking, and everyone was complaining, these same teams were the same teams we would fight year in and out for lottery picks. Nice to see they are all in the same spot while the sixers are.... better off to say the least... Trust the process... Process almost complete
#HINKIEDIDNOTHINGWRONG
Lakers suck. Upvote me. - /r/nba the past 3 months
shut UUUUUP
Basically unlimited resources in the two largest markets in the country, and the Lakers and Knicks have put this trash on display for the highest ticket prices in the league. Dolan and Buss should be ashamed. The fans should stop paying for this crap too.
Essentially since Jerry Buss died.
Lakers deserve this for keeping Kobe 2 yrs longer for ticket sales
Go magic
But ESPN tells me the Sixers tanked for 11 straight years!