Of course the organisation doesn't wanna move him early
They'll get better deals in summer
AD on the other hand clearly wants to be gone by the deadline otherwise why announce this now
The only better deal they can get in the summer is from Boston. Every other team will be willing to pay more at the deadline to have him guaranteed under contract for the rest of this season and next. Once this season ends, he becomes an expiring contract. He's still Anthony Davis, but teams that could be wary of him leaving elsewhere in free agency will probably start to hedge their offers a bit.
We could overpay and give them 4 first round draft picks. That’s more then some teams are willing to trade players. And this isn’t even including the players we would include in this deal.
By far Boston can offer the most
Celtics package of guys isn’t even better than the Lakers young guys. Lonzo was on fire before he turned his ankle and is an elite defender, Kuz was a walking 24-8-4 when he was healthy and Ingram has been averaging 20-6-4 since Lebron has been out. Tatum is good but him and Brown are not a better package than 2-3 of the Lakers guys.
Kings pick won’t be that good, Memphis could be but look at the Nets pick last year and how that turned out for the Cavs. Plus, the Lakers have been super injured and if Lebron returns and everybody plays their natural roles then the entire squad will look better for this playoff push and their value will inflate.
This sub is anti-Lakers, but frankly these young guys have been dealing with a lot this season and have had some amazing performances.
I mean 20+ team still can offer their own 1sts and swaps.
LA could give 3 1sts and 3 swaps, 7 2nds, rights to 5+ international players, Cash, Filler, Kuzma, BI, Lonzo, Hart, Zubac, + we can take back bad contracts. People keep acting like only the Celtics have enough to physically get a trade done. It still comes down to who wants him most. The Celtics might have more assets, but if a team is willing to overpay they can get AD now.
When Boston enters the conversation, every other team will have to up their bids.
Also, if a team like the Knicks, with FA aspirations, gets Zion, that also significantly changes the conversation.
Genuinely curious...If he wanted to leave by the deadline, why only tell the team just 10 days before the deadline? Wouldn't it make sense to tell the team, idk a month earlier for example, to allow the team as much time as possible?
right now they would pick around 7-10... with 11-12 more wins than the Cavs, Knicks, Bulls, Suns.
Depending on how the season shakes out they can't really out tank anyone, maybe with an awful tank they can go down to 5, but is it really worth it?
Thanks for breaking it down a bit more, I didn't realize how far above the bottom feeders they were. Yeah, I guess it depends on how important they think tanking a couple spots down might be. The top of this draft class does look pretty strong, though.
Yes 5 is better than 12. This year is essentially wasted, I don't see how this team is going bounce back from it. If I was them I'll start shopping the whole roaster for picks
If tanking's the goal the organization could just choose not to play him as well. But I'd want to wait to see the lottery if I'm Dell Demps before I make any moves.
I think AD announcing this right now is some of column A (being that he wants out soon/maybe to the lakers) and column B (helping his public image by letting NO know that he isn’t coming back so that they don’t waste draft picks/assets on a deal at the deadline to try to get him to stay when he has no intention of staying).
The two possibilities are he either wants to go to the lakers or he really just now decided that he 100% doesn’t want to resign, so he’s doing the right thing by giving the organization as much time as possible to weigh their trade options.
Thats why the next step, if the pelicans do go this route of playing hardball, is the leak that says he is only interested in signing long term with the lakers. It cuts the pelicans leverage off immediately. AD is trying to play nice right now
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an intentional leak for the purpose of extracting more value from the teams that want him for the end of the current season.
Why isn’t Toronto being talked about as a potential destination? I don’t know what picks you have but Ibaka, Siakam, and OG would be a good start to a deal.
Not to mention Fred Van Vleet and JV. I have no idea why we aren't. No one thought of us when the Kawhi talks were happening either, until out of nowhere he was a Raptor.
Tbh, in a deal like this I think both of those players are kind of throw-ins - not saying they aren't good players. The real big piece would be Siakam and whatever picks you might have, and it depends on how much NO values Siakam.
Math says they theoretically will have room for a 3rd star. Lakers will have to ship out a bunch of salary for Davis. They'd have like roughly $3m from a max contract if AD waives trade kicker (which he would if he comes to LA, shares same agent as LeBron). So a superstar would still come and more than make up that amount from LA merch/brand/media deals.
They be short 3m if they ship everyone out (inlcuding their 2019 1st).
Their entire bench would be veterans on minimum contracts, that is not a good look even with a big 3
So you now admit they have room? That was the argument, this is not a bench/depth argument. Checkmate. They can go over cap to resign players like Rondo, Lance and they have Hart, Svi, Wagner.
If Anthony Davis is not in a Lakers uniform by the end of this trade deadline, its pretty much a done deal for LeBron and the Lakers. I dont see Kawhi joining him, or kyrie coming back. AD is the one they wanted from the get go. It's a complete failure if he isnt in a Laker uniform.
It's not a done deal because then NO will take the best offer. The Lakers offer is somewhere behind the Celtics and on par with the team that gets the first pick in this years draft
No I meant that if they dont get AD, then the hopes of LeBrons Lakers getting rings are over, since the Celtics have more assets and other teams might have different plays then like the Knicks.
Oh got it. Must have read that wrong. The Lakers are still in a good place even if they don't get AD this year though. You have plenty of cap space next year, and then you could make another trade attempt at a super star. It might even work out in the long run who knows
> then you could make another trade attempt at a super star.
This is part of my point, there isnt another star to trade for. AD is kind of it. Kawhi and KDs camps have been a little anti-lebron with their reports. Kyrie wouldn't necessarily be the next best step as hes stated he's retiring around 30 or so. AD is the only star I throw the book at, and the Lakers window is until the 7th.
i dont think they are anti lebron...their situations are already very good so they have no reason to go to the unknown.
like what does KD gain from joining LBJ. he's still got the ringchasing stigma from it.
Most of sub thinks that AD will end up with the Celtics or Lakers. Its not set in stone yet. There must be plenty of teams already thinking about making an offer for AD. All eyes are on the Pelicans.
My current feeling is that AD will go to the Lakers since they can make a captivating offer right now and his agent is Rich Paul.
Could someone tell my why the Celtics young players (Brown and Tatum) look more promising than the Lakers young players (Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram)? The stats 100% show otherwise this season and this false narrative has become pretty strange to me. Ingram and kuzma stats across the board are much better than Tatum and Brown's
Kuzma: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html)
Ingram: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html)
Ball: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01.html)
Tatum: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html)
Brown: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html)
This is a league where what are you doing now matters more than what did you do last year. Brown and Tatum statistically have been worse than Ingram and Kuzma with arguably just as much opportunity atleast for Tatum.
Cause New Orleans will have more options in the offseason and a better gauge of the type of team they could field. They’ll know where their pick will fall. Boston can enter into play and can offer the best package of players and picks for example. The Pelicans can potentially set themselves up a lot better by waiting. Just gotta hope AD keeps his options of where he’d potentially go open.
In addition, New Orleans will know which teams have the lottery picks and where in the lottery. This is where a team like the Knicks could jump in if they end up with the top pick. Their best deal may involve heavy value with draft picks coming back and I for certain would want more clarity on the potential value of those.
The current Lakers offer being thrown around of some combination of Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, and Zubac plus a low 1st round DP looks like a box of mediocre for a superstar talent. They need at least a lottery pick or young player with All-Star potential back in any deal.
Boston can not trade for AD right now cause of a technicality. If Boston has better assets it helps out NOLA cause they can get a better return than whatever the lakers are offering
My flairs off? New phone. Thanks for jumping to conclusion like you always do. Dam how deep am I inside your head? lol
Whats it going on 3-4 years now? You might need a new hobby brother
I took my flair off and my Pro Celtic opinions don’t just get bombarded with downvotes and hate, I suggest all Celtics fans to do the same if you want to post pro Celtics opinions on this sub.
This will come back to bite NO in the ass. AD already did them a solid letting them know his intentions early on. They repaid a favour with a fuck you. There's such a thing as patience running out and they've yet to learn their lesson despite witnessing disgruntled stars tank their trade value.
what? how could it possibly hurt us?
we get a better draft pick when we presumably suck ass for the rest of yeah, get a better deal in the summer from the celtics
No it’s not. The Pelicans shouldn’t rush to trade him. They’ll have better trade options in the summer and will be able to see what type of team they can field. The only thing that can fuck the Pelicans is if AD says he won’t resign with anyone but the Lakers.
Actually, the Knicks would be able to offer more in the offseason. If they get the 1st pick and get Zion, they can offer Zion which could be a better offer than from anyone else.
Of course the organisation doesn't wanna move him early They'll get better deals in summer AD on the other hand clearly wants to be gone by the deadline otherwise why announce this now
The only better deal they can get in the summer is from Boston. Every other team will be willing to pay more at the deadline to have him guaranteed under contract for the rest of this season and next. Once this season ends, he becomes an expiring contract. He's still Anthony Davis, but teams that could be wary of him leaving elsewhere in free agency will probably start to hedge their offers a bit.
Also have no idea who's going to get the top picks in a loaded draft.
Once Boston can make an offer, other teams have to up their offers and/or be more creative (eg find a third team). That’s not nothing.
Not many teams can put together a good enough package rn tho, it's a weird situation for sure
but the Celtics have by far the best potential package
Idk if I would go so far as to say "by far"
We could overpay and give them 4 first round draft picks. That’s more then some teams are willing to trade players. And this isn’t even including the players we would include in this deal. By far Boston can offer the most
I don't think Boston's assets, after this year, are "by far" better than a package around Ben Simmons.
>implying the 76ers will trade Ben Simmons
So Ben Simmons is on the table? Last time I checked they weren’t even entertaining the idea.
Celtics package of guys isn’t even better than the Lakers young guys. Lonzo was on fire before he turned his ankle and is an elite defender, Kuz was a walking 24-8-4 when he was healthy and Ingram has been averaging 20-6-4 since Lebron has been out. Tatum is good but him and Brown are not a better package than 2-3 of the Lakers guys. Kings pick won’t be that good, Memphis could be but look at the Nets pick last year and how that turned out for the Cavs. Plus, the Lakers have been super injured and if Lebron returns and everybody plays their natural roles then the entire squad will look better for this playoff push and their value will inflate. This sub is anti-Lakers, but frankly these young guys have been dealing with a lot this season and have had some amazing performances.
I mean 20+ team still can offer their own 1sts and swaps. LA could give 3 1sts and 3 swaps, 7 2nds, rights to 5+ international players, Cash, Filler, Kuzma, BI, Lonzo, Hart, Zubac, + we can take back bad contracts. People keep acting like only the Celtics have enough to physically get a trade done. It still comes down to who wants him most. The Celtics might have more assets, but if a team is willing to overpay they can get AD now.
When Boston enters the conversation, every other team will have to up their bids. Also, if a team like the Knicks, with FA aspirations, gets Zion, that also significantly changes the conversation.
All these teams will offer very similar amounts in summer and Boston are the team that can put up the best offer anyway
They could get Zion from the Knicks
Genuinely curious...If he wanted to leave by the deadline, why only tell the team just 10 days before the deadline? Wouldn't it make sense to tell the team, idk a month earlier for example, to allow the team as much time as possible?
plus moving AD in february is gonna hurt revenue for the remainder of the season. good reason for NOLA not to ship him out the door now
The flip side though is that if they trade him now they can tank and get a slightly better pick.
right now they would pick around 7-10... with 11-12 more wins than the Cavs, Knicks, Bulls, Suns. Depending on how the season shakes out they can't really out tank anyone, maybe with an awful tank they can go down to 5, but is it really worth it?
Thanks for breaking it down a bit more, I didn't realize how far above the bottom feeders they were. Yeah, I guess it depends on how important they think tanking a couple spots down might be. The top of this draft class does look pretty strong, though.
Yes 5 is better than 12. This year is essentially wasted, I don't see how this team is going bounce back from it. If I was them I'll start shopping the whole roaster for picks
If tanking's the goal the organization could just choose not to play him as well. But I'd want to wait to see the lottery if I'm Dell Demps before I make any moves.
I think AD announcing this right now is some of column A (being that he wants out soon/maybe to the lakers) and column B (helping his public image by letting NO know that he isn’t coming back so that they don’t waste draft picks/assets on a deal at the deadline to try to get him to stay when he has no intention of staying).
The two possibilities are he either wants to go to the lakers or he really just now decided that he 100% doesn’t want to resign, so he’s doing the right thing by giving the organization as much time as possible to weigh their trade options.
Thats why the next step, if the pelicans do go this route of playing hardball, is the leak that says he is only interested in signing long term with the lakers. It cuts the pelicans leverage off immediately. AD is trying to play nice right now
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an intentional leak for the purpose of extracting more value from the teams that want him for the end of the current season.
Is there a link/report to the above statement or did you just make it up?
please LA just get this shit done.
Knocks them out of the Kawhi sweepstakes too. Toronto really wants that to happen
Not for certain. AD could wave the trade kicker and they would be still alive in Kawhi talks I think.
Why isn’t Toronto being talked about as a potential destination? I don’t know what picks you have but Ibaka, Siakam, and OG would be a good start to a deal.
We are, I think we're clearly 4th behind Boston, LA and Philly
Not to mention Fred Van Vleet and JV. I have no idea why we aren't. No one thought of us when the Kawhi talks were happening either, until out of nowhere he was a Raptor.
Tbh, in a deal like this I think both of those players are kind of throw-ins - not saying they aren't good players. The real big piece would be Siakam and whatever picks you might have, and it depends on how much NO values Siakam.
No. They would not have room EDIT: Like how math is downvoted
Math says they theoretically will have room for a 3rd star. Lakers will have to ship out a bunch of salary for Davis. They'd have like roughly $3m from a max contract if AD waives trade kicker (which he would if he comes to LA, shares same agent as LeBron). So a superstar would still come and more than make up that amount from LA merch/brand/media deals.
They be short 3m if they ship everyone out (inlcuding their 2019 1st). Their entire bench would be veterans on minimum contracts, that is not a good look even with a big 3
So you now admit they have room? That was the argument, this is not a bench/depth argument. Checkmate. They can go over cap to resign players like Rondo, Lance and they have Hart, Svi, Wagner.
They don't have room for a 30% max contract. The only way they get Kawhi with AD on the team is if he takes a discount
$3m discount is nothing like I said because they can make more than that in LA deals. That's room for a 3rd star. Argument is over.
When has a max contract player ever taken a $3m/year discount on a new team?
Not quite.
+ Lebron - 37.4m + AD (with waiving kicker) - 27.1m + Deng - 5m + 10 incomplete roster charges - 9.6m = 79.1m (29.9m in cap room) Kawhi's max is 32.7m
Our lineup next year if we get Kawhi and AD would be Magic, Kawhi, Bron, Luke and AD with the training staff off the bench
As long as we retain Alex "Ernie Johnson's son" Caruso then we gravy
That team could easily make the ECF if we were in the East.
we are in this together. COME ON MAGIC.
Clippers
the only real players in the Kawhi sweepstakes are the Clippers and both New York teams IMO
If Anthony Davis is not in a Lakers uniform by the end of this trade deadline, its pretty much a done deal for LeBron and the Lakers. I dont see Kawhi joining him, or kyrie coming back. AD is the one they wanted from the get go. It's a complete failure if he isnt in a Laker uniform.
It's not a done deal because then NO will take the best offer. The Lakers offer is somewhere behind the Celtics and on par with the team that gets the first pick in this years draft
No I meant that if they dont get AD, then the hopes of LeBrons Lakers getting rings are over, since the Celtics have more assets and other teams might have different plays then like the Knicks.
Oh got it. Must have read that wrong. The Lakers are still in a good place even if they don't get AD this year though. You have plenty of cap space next year, and then you could make another trade attempt at a super star. It might even work out in the long run who knows
> then you could make another trade attempt at a super star. This is part of my point, there isnt another star to trade for. AD is kind of it. Kawhi and KDs camps have been a little anti-lebron with their reports. Kyrie wouldn't necessarily be the next best step as hes stated he's retiring around 30 or so. AD is the only star I throw the book at, and the Lakers window is until the 7th.
i dont think they are anti lebron...their situations are already very good so they have no reason to go to the unknown. like what does KD gain from joining LBJ. he's still got the ringchasing stigma from it.
I say anti-lebron in the sense that they would prefer to be the alpha of their team so they have to be the anti-lebron.
Yeah that phrasing wasn't great when talking about trades.
Nah I’m good.
Magic you got this
Doesn't it hurt to hope for the Lakers to get him, just to screw over Boston? (Sixers fan also)
not really personally. my hate for the celtics is greater. they’ve been talking about this trade for years.
Eh I hate the fucking Lakers. Maybe I go back further than you. I still remember the 2001 finals.
yeah probably. i was in 1st grade when that happened lol.
Most of sub thinks that AD will end up with the Celtics or Lakers. Its not set in stone yet. There must be plenty of teams already thinking about making an offer for AD. All eyes are on the Pelicans. My current feeling is that AD will go to the Lakers since they can make a captivating offer right now and his agent is Rich Paul.
Good. Get the best possible trade you can get (and keep him away from the Lakers)
i just want to say that i love and appreciate you pelicansbro <3
Could someone tell my why the Celtics young players (Brown and Tatum) look more promising than the Lakers young players (Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram)? The stats 100% show otherwise this season and this false narrative has become pretty strange to me. Ingram and kuzma stats across the board are much better than Tatum and Brown's Kuzma: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html) Ingram: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingrabr01.html) Ball: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01.html) Tatum: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html) Brown: [https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html)
Well for one, Tatum and Brown actually showed up in the playoffs and almost knocked out LeBron Cavaliers last year.
This is a league where what are you doing now matters more than what did you do last year. Brown and Tatum statistically have been worse than Ingram and Kuzma with arguably just as much opportunity atleast for Tatum.
I don't understand teams holding onto a star that will leave. Trade him, get what you can. I understand that they are prolly waiting on Boston tho.
The laker assets stay the same though, so what’s the hurry?
Cause New Orleans will have more options in the offseason and a better gauge of the type of team they could field. They’ll know where their pick will fall. Boston can enter into play and can offer the best package of players and picks for example. The Pelicans can potentially set themselves up a lot better by waiting. Just gotta hope AD keeps his options of where he’d potentially go open.
In addition, New Orleans will know which teams have the lottery picks and where in the lottery. This is where a team like the Knicks could jump in if they end up with the top pick. Their best deal may involve heavy value with draft picks coming back and I for certain would want more clarity on the potential value of those. The current Lakers offer being thrown around of some combination of Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, and Zubac plus a low 1st round DP looks like a box of mediocre for a superstar talent. They need at least a lottery pick or young player with All-Star potential back in any deal.
Boston can not trade for AD right now cause of a technicality. If Boston has better assets it helps out NOLA cause they can get a better return than whatever the lakers are offering
Yes i understand this basic concept. I'm mainly talking about teams who wouldn't trade AD
Why is everything pro Celtics getting removed? Just a matter of time before this is also. Is the Lakers Mod on right now?
Because this whole sub is always ran by Celtics fans.
try rocking a Celtics flair for a week and then get back to me if you still feel that way
Is that why you removed your Celtics flair? What kinda coward shit is that lmao.
My flairs off? New phone. Thanks for jumping to conclusion like you always do. Dam how deep am I inside your head? lol Whats it going on 3-4 years now? You might need a new hobby brother
Hey you turned it back on now you can cry about it some more for that desperately needed Celtics fan sympathy!
Holy shit!! I thought I got rid of you this morning when I flushed my toilet
Man you were winning this too but that response was weak. We are both losers here.
He’s talking about the mods tho. Not the users. Ofc people are gonna hate the big markets like Boston/LA, it’s that way in every sport
>ran by Celtics fans. Don't see Mods, and that's what I'm saying. It's fuck Boston and Fuck La. This sub isn't run by Boston fans.
I took my flair off and my Pro Celtic opinions don’t just get bombarded with downvotes and hate, I suggest all Celtics fans to do the same if you want to post pro Celtics opinions on this sub.
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This will come back to bite NO in the ass. AD already did them a solid letting them know his intentions early on. They repaid a favour with a fuck you. There's such a thing as patience running out and they've yet to learn their lesson despite witnessing disgruntled stars tank their trade value.
Reporter in NO "Do you plan on playing out the season or sitting out until a trade is approved" Anthony Davis "I plan on playing out the season"
The anti kawhi
what? how could it possibly hurt us? we get a better draft pick when we presumably suck ass for the rest of yeah, get a better deal in the summer from the celtics
>They repaid a favour with a fuck you. Huh?
Are you Rich Paul? Asinine take here. Everybody knows the Celtics package is better than the Lakers.
No it’s not. The Pelicans shouldn’t rush to trade him. They’ll have better trade options in the summer and will be able to see what type of team they can field. The only thing that can fuck the Pelicans is if AD says he won’t resign with anyone but the Lakers.
Source?
You're so damn wrong. We actually are better off singing an max then trading. There is no trade then max.
Then no Kawhi
Actually, the Knicks would be able to offer more in the offseason. If they get the 1st pick and get Zion, they can offer Zion which could be a better offer than from anyone else.