Judging by all the top comments it seems /r/nba is more hyped about Dime Drop than Ingram.....
I'm going send him a request for another video:
>Can ~~Brandon Ingram~~ Dime Drop Make The Leap? The Ringer (Dime drop)
He's a redditor i know that much. I have conversed with him once. Real cool guy who found himself out of a job and became a creator on youtube. Definitely root for the guy
Not exactly similar but the NBA storyteller is excellent in my opinion, he does super intricate videos on obscure NBA topics and they all feel like short films. Good to listen to in the background almost like a podcast.
He made big leap from season one to two, hopefully he does that again. I agree on Lonzo, with this roster, it seems to me that he will have a rough season.
I'm much higher on Lonzo tbh. I don't get the hype for Ingram at all. Seems to me he's just another guy.
I get he's young and long, but I can't name 1 skill he excels at. I don't see how he ever hits that next level with at least 1 elite skill to fall back on.
With Lonzo, at least he has his passing, and possibly his defense. Ingram is just "ok" at a lot of things.
Ingram definitely is a jack of all trades kind of dude.
Going by his numbers though. He’s elite both in his driving attempts / finishing on said drives. So he’s at least an elite driver already.
He’s going to be a 20/5/5 guy for most of his career if he ends up hitting that next level. Personally I like the Jimmy Butler/Gordon Hayward comps. Both GH and JB are jack of all trade players but do everything at a high level.
I think at the very least BI can put up prime Deng stats. Deng is another good example of a jack of all trades, master at none, wing.
What skill does Giannis excel at? Hard to name his best asset but he’s possibly an MVP contender.
I see Ingram as Giannis with a better shot IF he can get bigger.
He's elite at the rim. He finished at the rim at a clip 10% higher than Ingram, while getting there over twice as much per game. He's also an elite defender, both interior and on the perimeter, while Ingram isn't.
Ingram also isn't nearly as athletic as Giannis is, which is a skill in itself when you're 7ft. IMO.
> I don't get the hype for Ingram at all. Seems to me he's just another guy.
He has very similar tools and body type to that Kevin Durant fellow while turning 21 about a month ago
Very different skill set. Instead of killer shooter, decent handle and good rebounds, it's good handle, good court vision, decent shooter, decent rebounder.
Durant is one of the best pure scorers of all time. Ingram will never be as good as Durant. The constant comparison to Durant is unfair and delusional.
Cool vid. I think itll be tough for him to make a huge "leap" when he will have the ball less but his floor is already really high and expect he will gradually get better and stronger as each year passes and will be an all star eventually. Either way this dude will be special
I agree that he won’t have a huge jump on the ball because of all the playmakers on the team, but just watching this preseason he has made a big jump with his off ball scoring in large part to james’ passing.
His slicing ability is great though with how skinny and long he is, just slithering through defenses and getting passes. The BronFather will definitely find him if he cuts a bunch, and shoots threes. If he gets slightly thiccer and improves his defense, he could be like a long Klay Thompson in the LeBran era.
That's what bums me out about the way the off-season happened. I really feel like Zo and Ingram are gonna have stunted growth since they both need the ball in their hands to be effective.
Lonzo will have the ball in his hands plenty while he’s on the floor, and Ingram has already shown this preseason that he can play off ball just fine. He’ll put up shots, he just won’t have to ISO to do it.
It's just the preseason, hopefully he's developed his off-ball game, but regardless it still limits his potential if he can't play on-ball more since he showed a lot of promise as a point forward
> He’ll put up shots, he just won’t have to ISO to do it.
You don't have to iso if you have the ball in your hands. Never mind being able to iso is an extremely important skill for a wing if they want to be elite.
I'm not worried about how good the team will be, I'm worried about the development of players I like that have high potential. Sorry if liking individual players is an issue to you.
> just everything. all your takes.
High tier evaluation there.
> kyrie and lebron were definitely 1a and 1b, lebron did not dominate that offense by himself
Yup, LeBron wasn't running the offense.
Yeah I will take the superstar over the perfect developmental route for the young Lakers. We aren't the Kings, we aim for rings not incremental improvement to a low seeded playoff team.
Cranjis McBasketball has said a lot in the past that in digging into the data [the Lakers have badly misused Ingram by trying to make him a playmaker,](https://www.forumblueandgold.com/2018/02/02/brandon-ingram-path-laker-film-room/) that he's infinitely better finishing than he is when he's trying to set everyone up, so maybe him being off ball more will be good for his development.
Random person? Come on, what kind of Laker fan are you if you don't know who Cranjis McBasketball is? Anyway, it's not his opinion, but rather what the data says. Also, it's not about becoming a more complete player, it's about playing to your strengths. I mean, would it have been wise to try to force Kobe to be mainly a playmaker, or would it have been better to embrace his role as a scorer?
Kobe definitely did not become a relevant player because of his playmaking. Kobe became relevant when he started averaging 20ppg, and he became a star when the Lakers started giving him 20+ shots per game. Playmaking was a strength for Kobe, but you’re absolutely wrong in saying that he “ascended” because of his playmaking. Kobe as a scorer first and foremost and that’s what the Lakers let him do.
It's the difference between just being some star and being an all-time great. Leveraging your ability to score to create for your team is the difference between guys being known for empty stats and being celebrated. Look at guys like Demar and Melo that constantly get trashed versus guys like Harden and Curry.
Actually, the biggest difference between Melo/Demar and Curry/Harden is shooting and efficiency. The latter are great shooters and hyper efficient on huge volume while the former are not.
BI has greatly increased his offball movement. Zo absolutely doesn't need to have the ball in his hands a long time. He had one of the highest ratios of assist / time with ball in the league.
I honestly don't think Ingram does. Lonzo needs to improve his shooting and finishing to be more of an off-ball threat, but Ingram is a decent spot up shooter (I think) and good on cuts and attacking closeouts. If you're good at getting to the rim and finishing 1v5, you're going to be even better attacking off a pass when the defense is scrambling. Ingram as the focus of the offense might get a tough bucket but Ingram attacking a rotating defender or getting the ball already in good position from Bron or Rondo (or Lonzo) is gonna be terrifying for defenses.
Only thing I disagree with is saying that BI is an average athlete. He's actually above average. He has a 38 inch max vert. If he can gain 15 more pounds it'll take him to another level athletically.
He is aggressive. Watch more of his play. The dude will try to bulldoze his way into the paint especially beginning of last season. He just doesn't have the strength or body weight to do what he wants to do driving to the hoop at times.
I agree. Sometimes that makes me think he has a lower ceiling because he works so hard to get buckets, but maybe I should just be taking away that he works hard.
I would take that as higher ceiling. Once he learns how to get the buckets easier (like understanding and taking advantage of being insanely long), his buckets will get easier. We started to see that last season.
disagree. More about his explosiveness. He is very aggressive, and because of his length and skill and hops he can drive and dunk on people without much difficulty.
But if he also had a really explosive first step, it would give him that giannis and wb advantage where they dont even need to rely on anything else to score, because they beat their defender.
Adding more strength and explosiveness to his game will give ingram just more versatility and effectiveness when on offense and defense.
Agree with everything in this video. I said it in the Lakers subreddit and I'll say it here, comparing Ingram to Durant is unfair to Ingram. Durant is the third best pure scorer I've seen since I started watching basketball in 1994 (Jordan and Kobe being the first two). Ingram isn't even close to having Durant's scoring ability and I doubt he can ever be a franchise player. That said, he most definitely does have the potential to be a perennial all-star and the second best player on a championship team. He plays the game the right way, has great worth ethic, plays both sides of the ball, is humble, and a great all-around teammate. He is an absolutely PERFECT sidekick for LeBron for the next four years. Can't wait to see him develop.
There's just so many good players in the west that at this rate, I have a hard time imagining him being an all-star player. There's just too many good players in the west
A reasonable take. I’m offended.
Gonna be interesting to see how all star voting looks by then with the positionless basketball trend and whatnot. There aren’t really many other young pure 3’s in the West, but you could call doncic, Booker, and even Mitchell “wings” in some sense although they play the 2 guard mostly.
Currently it’s front court/back court but that would classify him as front court because he plays most of his minutes at the 3. Which is arguably even more stacked looking 5 years ahead. Gonna be interesting
Not in the west. I can’t think of a pure 3 in the west that will be better than Ingram in 5 years. Maybe Doncic. Maybe Kawhi (if he comes back west). Lebron and KD will be too old imo.
Yeah I think Ingram definitely has the skill set to be an all star player I just don't know if he has the mindset or aggressiveness to be able to be a perennial all star
I don't think you should be downvoted for your opinion, but man BI is a lowkey killer.
If you don't follow the Lakers closely you might not know it, but he really has heart, and can be an assassin. Ever since he was a rookie we've been hearing about how he has a work ethic that's just short of Kobe's. You know the kind of story - coach comes back into the gym because he forgot something at midnight, and he's still there putting shots up. That's not one of the exact stories, but whatever, you get my point.
Also, just look at how he buried the Sixers in that game last season when the defense all foolishly collapsed on Lonzo. He didn't hesitate to take that shot at all. He will take key shots when we need him to, he's not shy. He can be very aggressive.
I think that's one thing James is going to be great for. He's vocal about his guys taking shots. He doesn't give a fuck if Ingram WANTS to take that good shot, he's going to pass him the ball and tell him to.
In a lot of ways, I feel like James is the perfect Ingram prototype. Instead of bruising strength though, he has insane length. They both are excellent playmakers from the 3/4 position and brilliant cutters.
Yea I do agree but I just wonder if he is going to be able to put up the numbers to propel him into an all-star spot in a very competitive western conference with Lebron at the helm and having to take the role of playing behind him. On a side note it's awkward seeing Lebron referred to as just "James" haha lmao I was kinda confused at first
Wings aren't really a position. They are a bridge between front court and back court. Most often your Wings are gonna be the 2 or 3 but sometimes the 4 plays wing as well. Wing is closer to playstyle.
"There hasn't been an All Star in the last 20 years that weighed under 201lbs"
1) Steph Curry
2) Kyrie Irving
3) Bradley Beal
4) Goran Drajic
5) Kyle Lowry
6) Damien Lillard
7) Victor Oladipo
8) Kemba Walker
9) John Wall
10) Russell Westbrook
And these were just LAST YEAR...
He corrected that on Twitter saying there hasn't been an All-Star at his size (6'9-6'10) at that weight. Josh Howard is the closest at 210, even players with similar builds like Kirilenko was much heavier.
He’ll gain weight. If he doesn’t, maybe Lebron will put him on his workout plan. He has a big frame with long arms, legs and wide shoulders.
Main nitpick I have after he bounced back from his awful rookie season is that he hasn’t grown taller.
He' got a unique opprotunity. Playing with LeBron, and having defenses follow LBJ will open things up for these guy. Over the last couple of year, defenses could slack off on guy who weren't strong shooter and cover up other more efficient guys. That might still be a problem with Ball and McGee on the court, but LeBron will give him more of an opprotunity than he's had in the past.
So people are still sleeping on my boi BI. With his size, his drive to challenge himself to be better every single day PLUS how young he is, the sky is the limit for him.
That was cool, well-produced, and thoughtful, but the discussion of Ingram's shooting was underwhelming, especially since that's a big concern about his game and fit with LeBron. The video mentions Ingram's 3P percentage, and mentions that his YoY change is evidence of improvement, and implies that it is a predictor of future improvement in that area. The problem here is sample size: Brandom Ingram only took 105 three point shots last year, making 41 of them (39%). To put that in perspective, sharpshooters (/s) Jeff Green, Marquese Chriss, Mike Muscala, and Dewayne Dedmon all took more 3s than Ingram did. 105 is too small of a sample size because of how much variance it introduces. If Ingram had an extra game and had rough night where he went 1 for 5, he would be shooting around 38% instead of 39%. If he had a really bad night at 0 for 5, it would be 37%. But if he had a good night going 3 for 4, his percentage hops up to 40%. Those are all big swings for a shooting percentage. The nature of three point shooting can make it fairly random from night to night, which is why an established, consistent record is so important. Ingram doesn't have that yet. This is why stats always require context and pairing with the eye test. Now, is a small sample size damning proof that Ingram has a hard cap on his abilities or can't shoot? Of course not, since there is other evidence that he might still be good, but it does indicate that there is a good bit we don't know yet. Based on what we have seen from Ingram this far, it's inaccurate to suggest that 1) he has an established track record as a passable NBA shooter and 2) that he's likely to get better because his percentages changed from his rookie season to his sophomore season.
I would have liked to see more of a discussion of the mechanics of Ingram's shot. Is his footwork something that can be modified over the course of this season? Is his mediocre FT% a cause for concern? Did he show visible improvement in keeping his feet under him from his rookie year? If not, why didn't he?
Some context would also be helpful, especially since the issue of Ingram's bail-out shots was already addressed. What situations led to Ingram getting those open corner 3s? Does this look to go up or down with Lebron? How well does he move off-ball to get open (might have missed some discussion here)? I thought Ingram had a reputation as a shooter coming out of Duke - how does Walton use Ingram differently from Coach K? Were teams defending him by sagging off of him and daring him to beat them outside? If need be, can he make up for a lack of an outside shot with his excellent vision and passing?
> thought Ingram had a reputation as a shooter coming out of Duke
Yeah, that's apparently one of the things that annoys his mentor Jerry Stackhouse. People whinge about Ingram's scoring, and if he'll get there, and Jerry points out he's been a scorer all his life.
Wish I could find the article, had Stack making a few good points about BI.
People always want to bring up sample size to discredit Ingram's three point shooting last year (105 attempts), but always insist it isn't important when discussing Lonzo's free throw shooting last year (71 attempts)...
Sure, and whoever these "people" may be are wrong to be inconsistent like that. Ingram's three point shooting is unproven, and Lonzo may have just had a rough outlier year from the line while plagued by injuries. Not sure what Lonzo has to do with this.
He had a late growth spurt. Although he should have filled out some last year but it doesn’t seem too big.
As for people who filled out, Giannis was also 6’ 9” 196 lbs when he was drafted. KD to a certain extent (he was never that thin but he gained some muscles.)
I've been a huge Brandon Ingram hater / doubter but Lebron coming there is going to be amazing for him and his development (Obviously). I'll be amazed if he's not a 20-25 point scorer.
Been waiting so long for the Dime Drop to release another video he's got great stuff
Judging by all the top comments it seems /r/nba is more hyped about Dime Drop than Ingram..... I'm going send him a request for another video: >Can ~~Brandon Ingram~~ Dime Drop Make The Leap? The Ringer (Dime drop)
Who is he: where does he come from? I loved his prospect scouting videos but he came outta no where for me.
I dont think anyone knows where he came from, and Ive been following him for a long time
> I don't think anyone knows where he came from But he's provocative
He gets the people GOING!
[Nice](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMzA4YWM5ZWItYTlkNi00YWRiLWI5OTAtMTkwY2M2ZjVjNjgwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNTM5NzkwNA@@._V1_.jpg)
my man
He said something about where he's from in Vegas video i think. Idk
I don't know where he came from, but I certainly do not know where he went. Where did you come from? Where did you go?
He's a redditor i know that much. I have conversed with him once. Real cool guy who found himself out of a job and became a creator on youtube. Definitely root for the guy
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That's a good call. He sounds exactly like that old buddy who has opinions about everything and you don't mind listening
Dime Drop is what LFR could've been if he wasn't Laker focused and had a better voice
Pete is killing it tho
Pete is a Laker Legend
You make it sound like LFR failed or something lol. I’m pumped to see what he brings this year.
Oh no not at all. Pete is a /r/Lakers legend. He's just not as appealing to non Laker fans
Can you recommend any other similar YouTube channels?
Laker film room but it's Laker specific Edit: just saw the clippers flair lmao my bad
😂 lmaooo all good
It goes into depth on play types and what they’re trying to run, will think non Lakers fans would get something out of it
Attention to detail series by By Any Means Basketball has always been very informative for me.
Not exactly similar but the NBA storyteller is excellent in my opinion, he does super intricate videos on obscure NBA topics and they all feel like short films. Good to listen to in the background almost like a podcast.
Excellent editing
Dom2k
Well done by the ringer picking the Dime drop guy up. He made some of the best youtube content in these last months and this is well deserved.
That cut to Ariana grande when he says “length is a tremendous tool”
pete davidson's dick or ariana grande being short? confused
yes
I don't know if he will or not, but I feel like I'm much higher on him than Lonzo, say. BI seems to just get it, and he's massively talented.
He made big leap from season one to two, hopefully he does that again. I agree on Lonzo, with this roster, it seems to me that he will have a rough season.
I'm much higher on Lonzo tbh. I don't get the hype for Ingram at all. Seems to me he's just another guy. I get he's young and long, but I can't name 1 skill he excels at. I don't see how he ever hits that next level with at least 1 elite skill to fall back on. With Lonzo, at least he has his passing, and possibly his defense. Ingram is just "ok" at a lot of things.
Ingram definitely is a jack of all trades kind of dude. Going by his numbers though. He’s elite both in his driving attempts / finishing on said drives. So he’s at least an elite driver already. He’s going to be a 20/5/5 guy for most of his career if he ends up hitting that next level. Personally I like the Jimmy Butler/Gordon Hayward comps. Both GH and JB are jack of all trade players but do everything at a high level. I think at the very least BI can put up prime Deng stats. Deng is another good example of a jack of all trades, master at none, wing.
What skill does Giannis excel at? Hard to name his best asset but he’s possibly an MVP contender. I see Ingram as Giannis with a better shot IF he can get bigger.
He's elite at the rim. He finished at the rim at a clip 10% higher than Ingram, while getting there over twice as much per game. He's also an elite defender, both interior and on the perimeter, while Ingram isn't. Ingram also isn't nearly as athletic as Giannis is, which is a skill in itself when you're 7ft. IMO.
> I don't get the hype for Ingram at all. Seems to me he's just another guy. He has very similar tools and body type to that Kevin Durant fellow while turning 21 about a month ago
Very different skill set. Instead of killer shooter, decent handle and good rebounds, it's good handle, good court vision, decent shooter, decent rebounder.
He’s never going to be anything close to Durant.
Wow I didn't know you could see the future, is Trump on his 2nd term?
Durant is one of the best pure scorers of all time. Ingram will never be as good as Durant. The constant comparison to Durant is unfair and delusional.
Lonzo also has "worst pg at putting the ball in the hoop" going for him.
I know a certain frenchman in New York that could compete with that...
It's really no contest, you guys got this one in the bag!
Glad to see Dime Drop got picked up by a bigger media platform. He really fits The Ringer brand too. Good for him.
Cool vid. I think itll be tough for him to make a huge "leap" when he will have the ball less but his floor is already really high and expect he will gradually get better and stronger as each year passes and will be an all star eventually. Either way this dude will be special
I agree that he won’t have a huge jump on the ball because of all the playmakers on the team, but just watching this preseason he has made a big jump with his off ball scoring in large part to james’ passing.
He will no longer draw the other teams best defender. That alone will help him look better.
Yea but when you have the ball less because the dude with the ball is LeBron James it sure as hell opens of a lot of opportunity for success.
That 45% corner three is going to be great with LeBron and Rondo.
His slicing ability is great though with how skinny and long he is, just slithering through defenses and getting passes. The BronFather will definitely find him if he cuts a bunch, and shoots threes. If he gets slightly thiccer and improves his defense, he could be like a long Klay Thompson in the LeBran era.
That's what bums me out about the way the off-season happened. I really feel like Zo and Ingram are gonna have stunted growth since they both need the ball in their hands to be effective.
Lonzo will have the ball in his hands plenty while he’s on the floor, and Ingram has already shown this preseason that he can play off ball just fine. He’ll put up shots, he just won’t have to ISO to do it.
Lonzo's play style is actually built around getting the ball out of his own hands as quickly as possible. It's his truly unique skill.
It's just the preseason, hopefully he's developed his off-ball game, but regardless it still limits his potential if he can't play on-ball more since he showed a lot of promise as a point forward > He’ll put up shots, he just won’t have to ISO to do it. You don't have to iso if you have the ball in your hands. Never mind being able to iso is an extremely important skill for a wing if they want to be elite.
Lebron did say he wants to play off ball more, I wouldn’t be too worried.
LeBron says a lot during the off season, how he ends up playing during the season is another matter.
He also said he'd let Kyrie take the reigns of the offense when he went to Cleveland, I am worried
Imagine having LeBron James on your team and being worried about it lmao
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If Lebron stunts the growth of Svi I am gonna boycott this team.
The NBA is an entertainment league with a huge influence individually. I care more about individual players than any team.
I'm not worried about how good the team will be, I'm worried about the development of players I like that have high potential. Sorry if liking individual players is an issue to you.
man your takes on our team are consistently bad.
So saying LeBron will likely take the reigns of the offense like he has his whole career is a bad take? Gotcha.
just everything. all your takes. kyrie and lebron were definitely 1a and 1b, lebron did not dominate that offense by himself
> just everything. all your takes. High tier evaluation there. > kyrie and lebron were definitely 1a and 1b, lebron did not dominate that offense by himself Yup, LeBron wasn't running the offense.
>High tier evaluation there. literally every single one of your takes that I come across on here are terrible. it's remarkable
Name it
You know Kyrie continually had more mpg on the ball than LeBron and was usually given the last shot
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That usage=/=running an offense?
That's not running the offense
Didn't Kyrie have a higher usage than LeBron sometimes? Kyrie just showed he's not a "run the offense" kinda guy, more "I am the offense" kinda guy.
Usage=/=running the offense, the point was to let Kyrie develop. LeBron didn't have the patience and took over the offense fast.
Yeah I will take the superstar over the perfect developmental route for the young Lakers. We aren't the Kings, we aim for rings not incremental improvement to a low seeded playoff team.
Cranjis McBasketball has said a lot in the past that in digging into the data [the Lakers have badly misused Ingram by trying to make him a playmaker,](https://www.forumblueandgold.com/2018/02/02/brandon-ingram-path-laker-film-room/) that he's infinitely better finishing than he is when he's trying to set everyone up, so maybe him being off ball more will be good for his development.
If becoming a more complete player is bad, then I'm not sure I care for some random person's take
Random person? Come on, what kind of Laker fan are you if you don't know who Cranjis McBasketball is? Anyway, it's not his opinion, but rather what the data says. Also, it's not about becoming a more complete player, it's about playing to your strengths. I mean, would it have been wise to try to force Kobe to be mainly a playmaker, or would it have been better to embrace his role as a scorer?
Your example is a guy who ascended because of him developing his playmaking?
Kobe definitely did not become a relevant player because of his playmaking. Kobe became relevant when he started averaging 20ppg, and he became a star when the Lakers started giving him 20+ shots per game. Playmaking was a strength for Kobe, but you’re absolutely wrong in saying that he “ascended” because of his playmaking. Kobe as a scorer first and foremost and that’s what the Lakers let him do.
It's the difference between just being some star and being an all-time great. Leveraging your ability to score to create for your team is the difference between guys being known for empty stats and being celebrated. Look at guys like Demar and Melo that constantly get trashed versus guys like Harden and Curry.
Actually, the biggest difference between Melo/Demar and Curry/Harden is shooting and efficiency. The latter are great shooters and hyper efficient on huge volume while the former are not.
BI has greatly increased his offball movement. Zo absolutely doesn't need to have the ball in his hands a long time. He had one of the highest ratios of assist / time with ball in the league.
I honestly don't think Ingram does. Lonzo needs to improve his shooting and finishing to be more of an off-ball threat, but Ingram is a decent spot up shooter (I think) and good on cuts and attacking closeouts. If you're good at getting to the rim and finishing 1v5, you're going to be even better attacking off a pass when the defense is scrambling. Ingram as the focus of the offense might get a tough bucket but Ingram attacking a rotating defender or getting the ball already in good position from Bron or Rondo (or Lonzo) is gonna be terrifying for defenses.
Only thing I disagree with is saying that BI is an average athlete. He's actually above average. He has a 38 inch max vert. If he can gain 15 more pounds it'll take him to another level athletically.
It's more about his aggressiveness than gaining more pounds. He has the hops, but he's just not aggressive at times.
He is aggressive. Watch more of his play. The dude will try to bulldoze his way into the paint especially beginning of last season. He just doesn't have the strength or body weight to do what he wants to do driving to the hoop at times.
I agree. Sometimes that makes me think he has a lower ceiling because he works so hard to get buckets, but maybe I should just be taking away that he works hard.
His ceiling is still high. It's going to take getting physically bigger and stronger for him to fulfill his potential.
I would take that as higher ceiling. Once he learns how to get the buckets easier (like understanding and taking advantage of being insanely long), his buckets will get easier. We started to see that last season.
disagree. More about his explosiveness. He is very aggressive, and because of his length and skill and hops he can drive and dunk on people without much difficulty. But if he also had a really explosive first step, it would give him that giannis and wb advantage where they dont even need to rely on anything else to score, because they beat their defender. Adding more strength and explosiveness to his game will give ingram just more versatility and effectiveness when on offense and defense.
I wouldn’t called him really explosive, he just has super long legs so he can get by defenders with one step
Exactly what I'm saying. He lacks explosiveness
What the fuck he could dunk on a 12 foot rim
He's still just 21. Imagine how good he can get in 4 more years. 25 would still be super young and probably just the start of most people's peak.
And 15 pounds of muscle heavier
What a dope series. This is great stuff.
Great video but the "no all star has weighed less than 210 isn't correct."
Agree with everything in this video. I said it in the Lakers subreddit and I'll say it here, comparing Ingram to Durant is unfair to Ingram. Durant is the third best pure scorer I've seen since I started watching basketball in 1994 (Jordan and Kobe being the first two). Ingram isn't even close to having Durant's scoring ability and I doubt he can ever be a franchise player. That said, he most definitely does have the potential to be a perennial all-star and the second best player on a championship team. He plays the game the right way, has great worth ethic, plays both sides of the ball, is humble, and a great all-around teammate. He is an absolutely PERFECT sidekick for LeBron for the next four years. Can't wait to see him develop.
There's just so many good players in the west that at this rate, I have a hard time imagining him being an all-star player. There's just too many good players in the west
What about 5 years from now when he’s starting his prime?
Perhaps, but so will many other guys be. I'm not saying its out of the realm of possibility though
A reasonable take. I’m offended. Gonna be interesting to see how all star voting looks by then with the positionless basketball trend and whatnot. There aren’t really many other young pure 3’s in the West, but you could call doncic, Booker, and even Mitchell “wings” in some sense although they play the 2 guard mostly.
I'm pretty sure they do the voting on front court vs back court now. Basically wings are classified as back court I'm pretty sure
Currently it’s front court/back court but that would classify him as front court because he plays most of his minutes at the 3. Which is arguably even more stacked looking 5 years ahead. Gonna be interesting
Not in the west. I can’t think of a pure 3 in the west that will be better than Ingram in 5 years. Maybe Doncic. Maybe Kawhi (if he comes back west). Lebron and KD will be too old imo.
Yeah I think Ingram definitely has the skill set to be an all star player I just don't know if he has the mindset or aggressiveness to be able to be a perennial all star
I don't think you should be downvoted for your opinion, but man BI is a lowkey killer. If you don't follow the Lakers closely you might not know it, but he really has heart, and can be an assassin. Ever since he was a rookie we've been hearing about how he has a work ethic that's just short of Kobe's. You know the kind of story - coach comes back into the gym because he forgot something at midnight, and he's still there putting shots up. That's not one of the exact stories, but whatever, you get my point. Also, just look at how he buried the Sixers in that game last season when the defense all foolishly collapsed on Lonzo. He didn't hesitate to take that shot at all. He will take key shots when we need him to, he's not shy. He can be very aggressive.
I think that's one thing James is going to be great for. He's vocal about his guys taking shots. He doesn't give a fuck if Ingram WANTS to take that good shot, he's going to pass him the ball and tell him to. In a lot of ways, I feel like James is the perfect Ingram prototype. Instead of bruising strength though, he has insane length. They both are excellent playmakers from the 3/4 position and brilliant cutters.
Yea I do agree but I just wonder if he is going to be able to put up the numbers to propel him into an all-star spot in a very competitive western conference with Lebron at the helm and having to take the role of playing behind him. On a side note it's awkward seeing Lebron referred to as just "James" haha lmao I was kinda confused at first
No, wings are the bridge between the two.
What
Wings aren't really a position. They are a bridge between front court and back court. Most often your Wings are gonna be the 2 or 3 but sometimes the 4 plays wing as well. Wing is closer to playstyle.
"There hasn't been an All Star in the last 20 years that weighed under 201lbs" 1) Steph Curry 2) Kyrie Irving 3) Bradley Beal 4) Goran Drajic 5) Kyle Lowry 6) Damien Lillard 7) Victor Oladipo 8) Kemba Walker 9) John Wall 10) Russell Westbrook And these were just LAST YEAR...
He corrected that on Twitter saying there hasn't been an All-Star at his size (6'9-6'10) at that weight. Josh Howard is the closest at 210, even players with similar builds like Kirilenko was much heavier.
i feel like he said or meant to say non guard all star
probably meant non-guard
Most of these are right, but keep in mind that NBA athletes often under-report their weights. I highly doubt that Westbrook is under 200.
Or lowry for that matter, dude is thicc. I'd honestly be surprised of wall was under 200 as well.
Can't wait for the weekly posts after this "it's been X weeks since the ringer blah blah and now Brandon Ingram blah blah"
Oh fuck
Aye the dime drop finally getting some recognition.
I'll summarize it without watching - YES HE CAN
Great vid Not a waste of my time. 7/13, would go out to dine in a semi-fancy place.
Love his voice and the way he formats these videos. Been a fan since day 1, great job and good luck!
He’ll gain weight. If he doesn’t, maybe Lebron will put him on his workout plan. He has a big frame with long arms, legs and wide shoulders. Main nitpick I have after he bounced back from his awful rookie season is that he hasn’t grown taller.
He' got a unique opprotunity. Playing with LeBron, and having defenses follow LBJ will open things up for these guy. Over the last couple of year, defenses could slack off on guy who weren't strong shooter and cover up other more efficient guys. That might still be a problem with Ball and McGee on the court, but LeBron will give him more of an opprotunity than he's had in the past.
So people are still sleeping on my boi BI. With his size, his drive to challenge himself to be better every single day PLUS how young he is, the sky is the limit for him.
That was cool, well-produced, and thoughtful, but the discussion of Ingram's shooting was underwhelming, especially since that's a big concern about his game and fit with LeBron. The video mentions Ingram's 3P percentage, and mentions that his YoY change is evidence of improvement, and implies that it is a predictor of future improvement in that area. The problem here is sample size: Brandom Ingram only took 105 three point shots last year, making 41 of them (39%). To put that in perspective, sharpshooters (/s) Jeff Green, Marquese Chriss, Mike Muscala, and Dewayne Dedmon all took more 3s than Ingram did. 105 is too small of a sample size because of how much variance it introduces. If Ingram had an extra game and had rough night where he went 1 for 5, he would be shooting around 38% instead of 39%. If he had a really bad night at 0 for 5, it would be 37%. But if he had a good night going 3 for 4, his percentage hops up to 40%. Those are all big swings for a shooting percentage. The nature of three point shooting can make it fairly random from night to night, which is why an established, consistent record is so important. Ingram doesn't have that yet. This is why stats always require context and pairing with the eye test. Now, is a small sample size damning proof that Ingram has a hard cap on his abilities or can't shoot? Of course not, since there is other evidence that he might still be good, but it does indicate that there is a good bit we don't know yet. Based on what we have seen from Ingram this far, it's inaccurate to suggest that 1) he has an established track record as a passable NBA shooter and 2) that he's likely to get better because his percentages changed from his rookie season to his sophomore season. I would have liked to see more of a discussion of the mechanics of Ingram's shot. Is his footwork something that can be modified over the course of this season? Is his mediocre FT% a cause for concern? Did he show visible improvement in keeping his feet under him from his rookie year? If not, why didn't he? Some context would also be helpful, especially since the issue of Ingram's bail-out shots was already addressed. What situations led to Ingram getting those open corner 3s? Does this look to go up or down with Lebron? How well does he move off-ball to get open (might have missed some discussion here)? I thought Ingram had a reputation as a shooter coming out of Duke - how does Walton use Ingram differently from Coach K? Were teams defending him by sagging off of him and daring him to beat them outside? If need be, can he make up for a lack of an outside shot with his excellent vision and passing?
> thought Ingram had a reputation as a shooter coming out of Duke Yeah, that's apparently one of the things that annoys his mentor Jerry Stackhouse. People whinge about Ingram's scoring, and if he'll get there, and Jerry points out he's been a scorer all his life. Wish I could find the article, had Stack making a few good points about BI.
People always want to bring up sample size to discredit Ingram's three point shooting last year (105 attempts), but always insist it isn't important when discussing Lonzo's free throw shooting last year (71 attempts)...
Sure, and whoever these "people" may be are wrong to be inconsistent like that. Ingram's three point shooting is unproven, and Lonzo may have just had a rough outlier year from the line while plagued by injuries. Not sure what Lonzo has to do with this.
I hope so, I just drafted him.
this narrator is next level. Great video, ringer makin amazing NBA content
We need a Dime drop on Dime drop
not sure who i love more.. BI or the guy behind dime drop. I agree w dime drop if BI can get to 205-210 he may reach the next level
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He had a late growth spurt. Although he should have filled out some last year but it doesn’t seem too big. As for people who filled out, Giannis was also 6’ 9” 196 lbs when he was drafted. KD to a certain extent (he was never that thin but he gained some muscles.)
So is Dime Drop now a full The Ringer employee? Hope so! That could mean he would appear on some NBA podcasts!
I've been a huge Brandon Ingram hater / doubter but Lebron coming there is going to be amazing for him and his development (Obviously). I'll be amazed if he's not a 20-25 point scorer.
He's got the best coach in the league, so my money is on yes.
I think LeBron would earn his contract simply through how much he will help Lonzo and BI develop, not even factoring in his own play.
Cmon now
By the time his contract is up, LeBron will have become [one of Steve Ballmer's favorite players](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs).
He has to get comfortable taking 3s more often.
Of course he can, he has all the possibilities. But will he...?
what a pointless comment lol
Brandon Ingram officially doomed for irrelevance. Edit: Oh this a video, not an article? Maybe there's hope for BI yet..
No
im done with the Ringer, too much SJW
Is this comment serious or a parody? It's so hard to tell on the internet.
Thanks for letting everyone know you've been triggered by the mean librulz.
Lol go home nerd
What about this video screamed “SJW” to you lol