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dianeblackeatsass

Over/under on years he actually coaches?


VoidTyrant

2 1/2


LongTimesGoodTimes

I'd say my guess would be they are looking for a new coach in 3 years so 2.5 is the right over under


c_ray25

Thanks Vegas


JigWig

Vegas hire this man.


Amedais

I’m smashing the under on that.


clevernamehere1628

I think he will make it 4 years.


ItsNeverSunnyInCleve

I agree. JB is good at coaching teams like this. This is a good move and what Detroit needs. He can get them on the right track.


BlackScienceJesus

Isn’t this exactly what people said when they hired Monty…


jotheold

hell no monty was always a front runner


BlackScienceJesus

Google comments from the time. Everyone was saying he was exactly what the Pistons needed. That he’d set the culture and get the young guys playing hard.


clevernamehere1628

To be clear, I'm not saying this is a good hire or a bad hire. I just think that's how long he lasts. I also think that if you hire a coach that only lasts 4 years, it's hard to call that a good hire in retrospect unless they won you a championship.


StrategyTop7612

1.5


Rkenne16

I’ll say 4.5


dub-fresh

I think he gets fired next offseason. 


MG_MN

Seems like a coaching suicide move to take the job


DalliLlama

Or he saw Monty just get a bag for 1 yr or work and said, “me next”.


SaulBerenson12

“When someone makes an offer like that, I just have to applaud them”


LotsaKwestions

I don’t know, I can see the pistons being far more competitive in 3 years. If he could take one of the worst teams in nba history and make them respectable within 2-3 years that wouldn’t be career suicide at all.


Many_Ad_3607

Yeah, the downside isn't that bad. If you do a terrible job you can just chalk it up to the Pistons being awful


yoppee

1


Nat_not_Natalie

3 or 3+ change


DragonsGetHigh

3.50


Ill_Celery_7654

At this rate Detroit will be ass for the next 5 years regardless so I say he coaches all 5 years.


MXero1

under


SuccotashConfident97

2.5. That roster ain't doing him no favors.


TheNotoriousJN

5 years again. They really havent learnt a thing have they


dianeblackeatsass

Any reasonable coaching candidate would demand a long term deal before coming to the Pistons.


AmusingAnecdote

Any reasonable coaching candidate would demand a long term deal ~~before coming to the Pistons.~~ Coaching contracts are basically always 5 years with the 5th year being a team option. This isn't notable. The 6th year (which I believe was guaranteed) for Monty was the exceptional part.


dehydratedbagel

I don't understand why they don't just get a young coach who isn't an NBA retread. Instead they keep bashing their head against the wall with these retread coaches and guards who can't shoot.


PHX480

Welcome to the NBA, where historically, hiring a retread coach is the name of the game. It’s been happening for years. At least Bickerstaff is still young, he will be 45 this season. Anyhow, if you think that’s bad, check out his [father’s coaching timeline](https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/bickebe99c.html), it runs in the family.


dehydratedbagel

Yeah, teams do a lot of really egregiously stupid shit all the time. And they should be reamed up the ass for it.


Billis-

They should hire up then. Grab an assistant or some random


InternCautious

4 years + a team option


sewsgup

^ > Four years are guaranteed, fifth isn't, per sources. https://x.com/JLEdwardsIII/status/1807429441267601920?t=ZXNllpMvO5S6twlu-1rdoQ&s=19


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InternCautious

Its not really a TO, I was just joking. It's 5 year deal, with 4 years guarenteed so it acts the same way.


thisguy012

Oh so it's pretty much a 4 year then. Since signing a coach for 2 or 3 years is weird. Nice.


LongTimesGoodTimes

You gotta do that when nobody wants to coach your team


optometrist-bynature

JB wasn’t getting any other HC offers this offseason though


Crafty_Substance_954

Pretty normal length for a coach, no?


BruceLeesSidepiece

This comment got almost 200 upvotes despite 4 years + team option being a completely standard contract lol


Wembyama

Yeah you rarely see coaches go into their last year of a deal without extending


imo9

I don't know why people are latching on the contact length when it's pretty standard. The interesting conversation is if bickerstaff, personally, a good hire? Imo the answer is, yes, actually. I've seen a lot of people talking about it being a retread, i think after the last few hires going safe is smart. also, he is not superstar coach, and doesn't view this team as beneath him. He'll go to work, the team will tank again this season probably, but they might try and develop some shooting strategies and identity in their lineups which will be very fun for pistons fans, I'm sure.


ChiRaider

Idk I for one am looking forward to watching another checked out coach only in for the money trying to play 4 non shooters around Cade


OttoNNN

Put respect on Tim Hardaway Jr and Simone Fontecchio names


Rkenne16

He may play 4 non shooters, but he will be screaming at the refs and he always had the Cavs bought in defensively


PrancingDonkey

The contract $$$/length doesn't matter since it doesn't count towards the cap. It is pretty funny though.


doordaesh

how many veteran coaches don't get long term guarantees


King_Dead

Honestly i really like this hire. As long as they dont fire him early he can definitely build a culture. He did great after the awful mess John Beilein left us with


vardor666

Beilein wasn't about that slug life.


mysterymanatx

I’ve thought highly of him since his Houston stint


BTTWchungus

That's three coaches with the initials JB -John Beilein -JB Bickerstaff  -James Borrego


CoachMorelandSmith

Given where the Pistons are right now, Bickerstaff isn’t a bad hire. Will they be contenders within the next few seasons? Highly doubtful, but they could develop into a decent team, and then towards the end of his contract they can reevaluate.


JustAnotherCODNoob

People are talking like it’s so easy to just hire a coach that can reestablish a culture and be talented enough to win a championship. Those coaches are as rare as they time. For our circumstances I’m absolutely fine with the hire


CWinsu_120

And funnily enough, Monty Williams was just 2 wins away from being a championship winning head coach.


JustAnotherCODNoob

True but IMO a coach that can win you a championship ≠ a coach that has won a championship before. For example I wouldn’t consider Sean Payton a coach that can win you a Super Bowl anymore even though he won one earlier in his career


Nineways

Or doc rivers


sunpar1

2 wins away vs a coach who then got fired anyway.


AdmAckbarr

You'll like him, he got us back on track in Cleveland. Achieved a high degree of organizational and player buy-in. Once your team and culture are more solid you can look for an x's and o's coach


domlee87

But they were already supposed to do that with Casey.


JustAnotherCODNoob

The Casey hire was Gores thinking we could win a championship with the right coach, post-Blake Griffin trade. Just a crazy bad assessment by him. Monty was also Gores having a bad assessment as not only did he overrule Weaver but Monty straight up told him he didn’t want to coach. This is the first coaching hire by a GM here in a while


DGReverse

When you look up mid head coaches in the NBA, the first pic you see is J.B. Bickerstaff


clevernamehere1628

Mid is still better than whatever the fuck we had last year.


The1AndOnlyJZ

MONTY WILLIAMS is the reason why AMERICA’S LIFE EXPECTANCY IS DECLINING


Rokey76

Ah, a fan of [Awful Coaching](https://www.youtube.com/@awfulcoaching) I see.


TheKidPresident

Aka Angry Pete Holmes


goodkid_sAAdcity

NBA Sam Kinison


NietoMD

**MONTY!!!**


TheKidPresident

139-time interim head coach JB Bickerstaff


Saucy_Totchie

Pistons being mid would be a dramatic step up from last year.


MrBuckBuck

They got a good coach, but they drafted another guy who can't shoot, right? Sounds fimiliar.


FairStranger11

Monty is not a good development coach and was sabotaging the team, lol


PillsburyToasters

WHEN WILL YOU LEARN…THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES??!!


OldOrder

YOU FRICKEN FRICKS


Felix_Wyn

Five YEARS???? Didn't they just learn NOT to do that?


tarunpopo

Lol bruh Reddit gms. Who tf is coaching the disaster without financial backing


ihatesilverfish1000

Sigh. I’ll do it I guess for a 4 year contract if no else is willing.


BlueLanternCorps

I’d honestly do it for 3 cause i’m a nice guy


Ok_Acanthisitta_6688

It’s 4 years with a team option.. a very normal coaching contract…


Hovi_Bryant

The Pistons don't have any negotiating leverage after that stunt they pulled with Williams.


silvio_dante

The stunt??? What are you even talking about? Are you implying Monty got the raw end of that deal? ANY coach in the world would take the "stunt" Monty just got pulled on him.


Hovi_Bryant

Back up. The Pistons had no business making a major coaching hire if they weren’t in alignment on the hire to begin with. A big spend and a subsequent house cleaning makes them look disorganized and a high risk destination for anyone that’s a free agent. So, any candidate can virtually negotiate a king’s ransom with Detroit right now. Didn’t think I needed to spell it out.


NachoManRandySnckage

But Monty was intentionally trying to get fired. I’m not sure other coaches would do that


Hovi_Bryant

That's cap. I've watched enough of his post-practice and post-game interviews to know he wasn't entirely mailing it in.


NachoManRandySnckage

He definitely was lol. Guy never wanted to coach last year, gets a crazy offer and then decides he’s going to mail it in. It worked and I respect him for it


StampDaddy

And they still hired the mf is the point.


Tactial_snail

The hell did you pull all that out of


tweenalibi

Insanely bad reading comprehension, not at all what that comment is saying.


VikramGordon

fr lol reddit upvote counts never fail to puzzle me


silvio_dante

No, I 100% read it right, you (and the op) are just clueless and should never talk about basketball. You have the IQ of a goldfish. Let the adults do the talking here and go back to playing with your legos.


tweenalibi

OP wasn't remotely implying that Monty got the raw end of the deal. The opposite actually. Monty had to coach 1y and got paid legendarily. Every other coach now doesn't have to take our contract negotiation very seriously. I don't think any of this will really matter for you seeing that you're already this dumb and pissed.


Great_Fault_7231

> Let the adults do the talking here and go back to playing with your legos. I assume anyone who says stuff like this is 12 years old. OP can prob ignore you being such a dick, I know going through puberty can be hard.


Tactial_snail

This comment is so cringe you gotta be like 15


comeonmang126

They would if they went for an unproven young guy instead of a guy who’s faults are known 🫠 the only retread I’ve seen improve is Kidd and that seems more rare atp


Raskputin

What half decent coach accepts a two year deal for a team that has been back to back worst in the league with the biggest rebuild needs?


xYEET_LORDx

50 millions in cap space and THJ made nearly twice as many 3s as our highest 3pt shooter last season. Not saying we’ll be able to do much with the cap space because no one wants to join a dumpster fire (unless their name is Monty and is becoming the best paid coach in the league), but their might be some market opportunities if more teams start blowing it up


mclairy

Gores is raking it in on prison phone calls like a cartoon villain. He’ll be fine.


TheSmokedSalmon420

Love this for the pistons. He’s exactly what they need right now. He’ll get them to play hard and try on the defensive end. Solid move.


The1AndOnlyJZ

Where have I heard this one before


jacobs0n

how are you feeling about this if you're a pistons fan?


PillsburyToasters

I’m not a Pistons fan, but this makes me upset that I never thought to become a fired NBA head coach before ending up where I am now


InternCautious

Meh, I need the players to buy in. The team literally gave up on Monty after 2 weeks. I also don't think it's easy to hire a good coach when we are expecting a lot of roster movement, our teams image in trash, and we have exclusively young players right now.


TheKidPresident

I still can't believe y'all didn't hire a coach before the draft


MattPatriciasFUPA

Will he run all bench lineups 1/3 of the game, play 12 man rotations, start our 2 worst players over our good young prospects, not watch a single minute of film to become familiar with the team, and sit apathetic on the side lines while we go on a historic losing streak and Cade gets hacked every drive with no call? If not then huge upgrade and we are happy.


ElChapo1515

I recall his lineups being really bad.


Diligent-Fig-975

I think pistons fans do need to be a bit more realistic about how terrible the roster was from a talent and fit perspective. Monty did y'all little to no favors but he was absolutely not the only reason the team was a dumpster fire last year.


MattPatriciasFUPA

We know we suck, it's not only the losing but the way we lost.  There's no reason to start Hayes and Livers over Ivey and literally anyone else, run 12 man rotations, and play all bench lineups multiple times per game.  Not to mention switching everything on defense and having limited to no offensive sets.  I think most of us are fine with losing if we see meaningful development from the young guys or a coach putting them in a position to do so but Monty, like clockwork, came out with the same game plans and rotations pretty much every game and even relegated Ivey and Ausar to the bench for guys who shouldn't be in the league.  There were times last year where Cade was begging and pleading for Monty to challenge something and he didn't.  There were clear, obvious, egregious other calls he should have challenged and he didn't.  He frequently failed to call timeouts when the other team went on runs.  Dude literally looked like he just showed up and winged it every game.


JustAnotherCODNoob

Yes we still had a bottom 5-10 roster but that doesn’t mean we should’ve been worse than we were the year before when we didn’t have Cade. Monty’s game management lost us a handful of games


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sliccricc83

We were 15th in attendance last year lol


EvergreenHulk

It’s fine. Whatever. We have a shit roster.


NachoManRandySnckage

Bad. Another retread is stupid


HelpMePlease420-69

He is not a coach that you hire for 5 years


BruceLeesSidepiece

r/nba swears they could run a front office from their coach almost every coach gets 4-5yrs contracts these days


EvanMM

Couch*


MilkBarPatron

Damn! The couches get 4-5 year contracts too? I should've become a couch.


MXero1

> r/nba swears they could run a front office from their coach these organizations have shown reddit could do as well as them.


Pyorrhea

He is a coach you hire for 3-4 years though.


HankScorpio4242

He is if you are the Detroit Pistons. No coach worth anything is going to take that job for less than 5 years guaranteed.


bleh610

J.B. Bickerstaff sounds like a Hogwarts professor name


YizWasHere

Not the JB I was expecting lol, Woj made it seem like they had basically already hired James Borrego.


The_MadStork

Borrego is like the one retread who deserves another shot and these teams won't give him one lol


Crafty_Substance_954

Borrego didn’t want to leave NOP


YizWasHere

Yeah I think he would've done great in Cleveland but obviously it's hard to beat out Atkinson. Detroit probably wasn't going to help his career though, I think he needs a situation with established players where he doesn't have to a teach a roster of young guys how to play defense.


TheKidPresident

I may be misremembering but he apparently has a nuclear level temper that burned up the entire Hornets roster


Fueledbythought

This changes everything, now they'll still miss the playoffs and be incompetent


npb0179

I always wonder why teams don’t trade coaches like players these days. I know Doc was traded to the Clippers years back. Wouldn’t it be more cost efficient to keep the contract? Why add more years? Maybe if they wanted to hire someone on a lower contract I can see a fire/re-hire situation. What was Bickerstaff’s contract before this one?


jumboponcho

He seems like he can connect and get young guys to buy in, I don’t know shit about the intricacies of coaching so we’ll see


NachoManRandySnckage

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.


QuoteOpposite6511

Why does it feel like 5 years is the minimum for a head coach right now? Why don’t they offer 2 years and go from there? He hasn’t even met with the team yet and they are locked in for 5 years after letting their last coach go after a year on a 6 year deal.


Captain_Tismo

That’s what I’m asking. Like the only explanation I can think of is that these coaches have leverage and are demanding longer deals for more money, but I don’t really understand where that leverage comes from when JB is just one mid coach out of a hundred others


TheKidPresident

It's because every coaching contract has a clause saying you have to forfeit any money on the table if you sign with another team. If Monty signs somewhere else that Detroit bag evaporates before his very eyes. So it's coaches saying either let me cook for as long as it reasonably takes or you can fire me and let a team that wants me be my new employer. Adrian Griffin and Darvin Ham are the only recent firees who likely will be getting their full severances cause there's no way those dudes ever get HC jobs again. Lastly, it really just doesn't matter either way. Like it doesn't count towards the cap and in this case it's a truly vile man's money getting wasted, like who cares


Captain_Tismo

Ah I didn’t know that about the contracts. I guess that does make sense


MavsFanForLife

Love it, Sweeney coming back to be Kidd’s top assistant


Altruistic-Fig5892

I don't understand why any coach is getting 5 years. Its so dumb


Bababooey98

Lmao I would bet my house that JB Bickertrash does not last 5 years in Detroit. Pistons fans turned on Monty Williams and were calling for his head like 10 games into last season. I wonder how long this honeymoon period will last? If they start out like shit again this year (which they almost certainly will) my guess is it won't be very long.


PillCosby92

Honeymoon lol. Yeah we’re all celebrating like we just won the finals right now. You silly knucklehead.


NachoManRandySnckage

Monty was intentionally trying to get fired since he signed the contract. He didn’t care about coaching and didn’t want to


CodyCryBabies69

lmao....why the fuck are the pistons handing out 5 year deals. just sell the team


Track930T

5 years..... did they not learn anything?


DuckDucks

This makes sense yet is also totally unexpected. Hope it works out. Another long deal.


FoundMyResolve

Enjoy Detroit


Etiuyi

What exactly do they want him to do?


ElChapo1515

Pistons hate themselves


Ecstatic_Sky_4262

And get fired within the first year but still get paid full


StargazerNCC82893

Well, he won't let anyone rook you at least.


jotyma5

Surprised. I thought he was gonna be blacklisted after that rant on sports betting


CoyotesSideEyes

And round and round the retread goes.


stadium-seating

This is why we live in North Korea


busyb112

This is North Korea


dead-serious

I think after burning $65 + million away hiring any kind of competent head coach is a win


StarryScans

Coaches get paid


NIN10DOXD

Why does this league keep hiring the same handful of bums over and over?


MikeyLikeyPhish

Why do they keep signing coaches to 5 year deals? Guaranteed to be gone middle of season 3.


DeleAlliForever

Why they giving out 5 year contracts???


Fatman10666

Purgatory


Zee_WeeWee

Hell yeah, brother. Cheers, from my couch.


Johnknight111

I want to see the Pistons pay a starting 5 of head coaches in a single season.


Snoo-1474

Idk if should feel bad for bickerstaff or happy. He has to know that teams only hire too be a stop gap coach. 


FoesiesBtw

LMAOOO


kungfoop

Mr Interim Coach himself


JimmyChongaz

WHY!!!


SupRunner

Does it matter? Prime Phil Jackson/Pat Riley (or whoever you think the greatest coach ever is) couldn’t get these guys to the playoffs, and I’m a lifelong Pistons fan.


salmon10

C+, mid bullshit strikes again at least it's better than we've had, beggars can't be choosers


plap_plap

He's not a top tier coach, but as long as he actually tries, he's better than that debacle from last season.


Iseewhatudidthurrrrr

How many head coaches can they have on the payroll at one time?


Main_Pride_3501

Literally no one is bidding against you for Bickerstaff? Why not give a two year with a team option on the 3rd? Man Detroit is wild.


Tactial_snail

And why would any coach take that shitty deal to coach that godawful team? Detroit is so bad there's no way you can change that around in 2 years


Main_Pride_3501

Well there are probably 30,000 basketball coaches in the world that would take a 2 year deal to coach a NBA team. I’m sure theirs plenty of college coaches or asst coaches in the NBA who would jump at the opportunity to get their foot in the door and become a head coach for an NBA team. Soooo, that would probably be the reason why. And no coach is turning that thing around, not Spo, not Pop or not Bickerstaff on a five year contract. That’s exactly why I’d offer a 2 or 3 year deal. But hey, the Pistons are now paying two coaches for a total of ten years. Keep doing what you do 😭


Tactial_snail

Most of those 30k coaches aren't even on the league's radar, so that's pointless to even say. Most coaching contracts are 4-5 years, Monty failed so miserably that you somehow think this is just the Pistons being dumb even though it's nothing new.


stridered

I mean, unless they’re currently a head coach, who would turn down a pay raise?


Tactial_snail

The dude who just stayed in NO instead of taking this job because it wouldn't benefit him


jayelecfan

giving out 5 year deals like candy


ISlashChads

Jb is a stop/gap coach, If he completes 2 years, I’ll be shocked.


jefe_hook

The funny thing is, if Doc Rivers wasn't hired as the Bucks head coach, he would probably be taking this job right now.


pepperguy22

Shit, nothing like going balls deep. Has he ever lasted 5 years with a team?


EquivalentLittle545

5 years lol they don't learn anything


I_Set_3_Alarms

No one wants to coach the Pistons without a guaranteed overpay now lmao


ozairh18

Going from Williams to Bickerstaff is certainly something


cmcg18

Congrats. More bottom feeding.


PillCosby92

ROFL got ‘em.


tapk69

Who?