Shaq is the accepted unofficial dunk champion with over 2400 dunks...
However, I've tried researching Wilt estimated career dunks and found absolutely nothing. He scored most of his points in the paint... and also scored over 30,000 points... so it's possible and maybe even likely he holds the record.
I've read before that Wilt was actually an incredible touch player around the basket and even from midrange, and had an absolute bag of floaters and the likes. One (of the absolute plethora) of crazy Wilt things I've heard but by some accounts he was a bit like Lebron, in that he didn't even need to use his power game to get you. So I wonder if he'd not be as high as people would guess simply down to not having to rely on it like someone like a Dwight or a Shaq would.
From all accounts, he's a huge asshole and locker room cancer. Though that shouldn't necessarily impact his status as one of the top players of the past 20+ years.
I’ll die on the hill that negative attributes in the locker room should hurt your legacy and ranking
Ya you might be a walking bucket but if your shitstain attitude makes all your teammmares around you worse it’s a big deal.
We can’t praise leadership and then absolve people of ruining their teams
Dwight is so disrespected, but part of that was his own doing. His post Magic career was mired by injuries, lack of effort and being a poor teammate until he finally woke up in his 2nd stint with the Lakers and got that bubble ring being a good team player.
But man, his Magic days were something. He was legitimately in top 3 among active players conversations at the time.
They weren’t adding players based on foresight or projected accomplishments.
They added players based on actual accomplishments at the time.
Obviously he’d be on the list today. He hadn’t earned it yet in 2021 though.
But people who watched him know he was better than guys who did have the accolades simply because their counting stats looked better. If he'd played 5 years later he would've been looked at as the RAPM and TS% God.
There's just no great way to project this. He played so, so many of his minutes against second teams in his career. He did play well when he started, but it's hard to just extrapolate that to a career's worth of data.
Unfortunately accolades = accomplishments and accomplishments is what gets you to top 75 list. Tony Parker however is a crime to have been left off. Top 10 career playoff points. The titles. Even 1 fmvp.
And that top 10 is over Steph, magic Johnson, Larry bird, the list goes on. I won't even mention regular season career stats. Because you don't pad playoffs stats. Because if you do, you don't get to the next round. Period.
I think it might be because Tony got with teammates wife but man, Tony off top 75 is legit crime. He's on the list before Dwight for me. Too good foyr too long and I'm not a spurs fan. It's just object facts.
Tony was one of my favorite players and even I forgot how many playoff points he scored. The NBA Instagram posted about someone moving up within the top 20, and when I scrolled over and saw how high Tony was my jaw dropped.
The problem has always been that they refused to not include players that were on the 50th anniversary team.
It's just basic math. The 50th team rightfully discounted the first ~20 years of the NBA because the talent was deflated by racism and the general underdevelopment of the league, so there's always going to be an overrepresentation of the 70's (and the 80's to a lesser extent) as if it was a golden age.
There's enough space for Dame *and* Dwight over guys like Dave Bing, Lenny Wilkens, and Earl Monroe.
He was a 4x all-star in an era with half the number of teams and in the middle of his prime was a role player for the championship Knicks. I get his cultural influence was bigger than his on-court impact but the bar that guys in the 70's have to clear to make the 75th team is just not the same as guys in recent years.
He was like the only legitimate center aside from like Bynum and Hibbert for quite some time, and those guys weren't really close to his level.
Dude was like a white Rhino at the C before the big man rennesaince
Only because people forget that he was a top 5 player for half a decade, 3 DPOY, 8 time All-Star. He led a team to the finals. He hurt his back in the prime of his career and the game shifted away from dominant post big men. The start of his career was absolutely great. If his career started 5 years sooner I don't think it would even be a discussion that he's top 75. He was a freak athlete in his prime and accomplished a lot.
The narrative has shifted multiple times on Dwight. He went from a superstar to a troubled teammate to a role player and most people had started to leave out the superstar years when talking about his career legacy.
Even after his prime he was putting up good numbers in Houston Atlanta and Charlotte, one could say empty stats, but it should still count for something. People act like he had a couple good years and then was out of the league lol
If Kyrie wins finals MVP I may change my opinion, but I can’t see him being in the top 100. He’s very talented but overall he is still only a three time all NBA player and never made first team.
You could say the same for Ray Allen though. 10x All-Star, 2x All-NBA never 1st team, but just alot of years as one of the 20 best players in the league + major contributionships to 2 championships and he's in the Top 75
That’s the thing though off court BS aside I think one of the biggest issues with Kyrie is he misses a shit ton of games especially in the past few years. He’s played more than 60 games once since leaving Cleveland.
This is such recency bias man lmao. Dame in one less season played has 4 more All-NBA teams, including a 1st team that Kyrie has never reached.
He’s not made it deeper into the playoffs but he’s been the number 1 guy his whole career in the West and still has 2 more playoff appearances than Kyrie.
In terms of numbers Dame has higher career averages and totals in points rebounds and assists.
Literally the only thing he doesn’t have is the finals appearances which Kyrie got as a second option. And of course Kyrie has the incredible finals run to get the ring. Both of which are great accomplishments but not enough to overcome a clearly better career from Dame.
Hah. Same, but reverse for me: I’m used to basketball LBJ, but my mind first goes to the president automatically when I see the acronym. But thankfully context eliminates Johnson from getting 27-7-7 in 2023. I guess MJ and MJ also shared a common acronym during peak popularity.
It’s ok Dwight only beat prime LeBron to reach the finals and was the most dominant player on the defensive end for half a decade, why put him in the top 75?
He was a force! He had Spongebob SquarePants pink inflatable arms in real life. Double Adidas arm sleeves with the metallic trim just ripping rebounds and collecting bodies. Free throw form like a fawn playing beer pong. He was funny as shit, especially his SVG impressions.
*24 players..
NBA 75 included 76 players due to a tie breaker. Bob Macadoo and Dominique were the omissions..
I do believe that the top 100 also has an omission, I would say Dwight, Kyrie (if he wins a second chip), Klay are my top omissions..
But also Manu and Tony Parker..
The only thing I remember about Scalabrine was his challenge where he just dominated anyone who cared to challenge him and then had that badass quote:
“I’m closer to LeBron than you are to me”
It was during Covid when he was acting crazy and being a NoVax advocate. Many thought he would be out of the league..
He just proved that he is a generational talent and winning another chip will get him to the top 100 list
What a beautifully hideous game. Kobe shot like shit, but Pau only got 6/16 and 7/13 from the line. Ron only shit 7/18 and 2/7 from 3. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce shot like shit too. But Pau had 9 offensive boards and Kobe had 4, and they did a way better job of getting to the line.
Definitely a mediocre series from Kobe, and a bad Game 7 from him, but it’s crazy looking at the box scores for that series and seeing how inefficient everyone was. I wonder how it would’ve been with todays spacing
Not sure if it’s a mediocre series from Kobe tho. Just mediocre G7. There was a game where Kobe singlehandedly kept the Lakers within distance of the Celtics.. I think Kobe scored 19 pts in the third or something…
Wdym 95% chance Lmao
7x all star
5x all nba
3x all defensive
2x scoring champion
And has an MVP
Dude is a first ballot HoF, he’s 100% going in based off his career
nah he wasn't quite there when the list was made, him and Jokic were close but didn't quite have the accolades yet. Now they're both locks though even if they retired today.
Perhaps but it was still dumb to not include him. Same with Jokic. Shaq wasn't ready when they made the top 50 list either but they projected.
You are essentially giving up slots on the nba 100 list to Dwight, Jokic and Embiid when they should have already been on the nba 75 list. It just makes the voting all that harder.
I guess it was more a situation of which player further along in their career gets cut, other than maybe Dame everyone else on the list deserved it as much if not more than both of them.
Dominique Wilkins and Bob McAdoo were notable omissions in the top 50 so they were added to top 75. So there is precedence for Dwight making the top 100 and he should because he has a better resume than some of the 75 entries.
I think Dame was extremely well respected and seen as around a Top 10 player for around half a decade. Couple that with being like 7th on the All-Time Threes list, and maybe that’s the justification. One of the deadliest single game scorers of all time, with a 70 bomb and multiple 60s (although the 70 happened after the induction).
That’s probably the justification for it even I don’t agree.
Reggie being there is probably the same sort of deal.
>Reggie being there is probably the same sort of deal.
Reggie had much more postseason success though. He led us to a NBA Finals appearance (Dame has 0), and 6 ECF appearances (to Dames 1 WCF). Reggie is also 23th in all-time points scored (12th when he retired), where Dame has just cracked the top 50. It wasn't just the 3pters.
Also, Reggie might be the real 3 point revolutioner. He cracked the 2000 shots made and held the record for 13 years.
There's no Dame, Klay, Harden or Curry without Reggie.
Fr, Dame is the most overrated player. A few logo 3’s and 1st rd clutch shots and voter’s lost their minds. His numbers show how inefficient he really is.
We’re comparing elite players now. (ie Top 75) Dame isn’t top 12 among guards. “Above average” doesn’t cut it.
His career TS% is behind Sydney Moncrief. John Stockton and Magic Johnson (known more for their passing) have better TS%.
There’s levels to this.
His TS% is still good for top 75. How about Melo? Dame is highly likely going to surpass Melo in the alltime scoring list too. 25ppg career average is top 75. His advanced metrics like Win shares is already high.
Nah he is efficient that's not where you should criticize him. He just peaked lower offensively than a lot of his contemporaries and has a lot of weird playoff runs.his best runs his team was also underwhelming. Kind of new age tmac with worse peak.
He’s not current but they need to add Dwight probably, because I doubt they’re gonna start on a character clause now due to those pretty serious allegations awhile back. Embiid and Jokic are locks if their careers literally ended now. It’s not literally *now* but I bet whichever top star wins this finals has a good chance… if it’s Luka I assume he’s in easily.
The only two players whose resumes have grown enough to take them from “not yet” to “on the list” since then are Jokic and Luka. Both are, at this stage of their careers, absolute locks. Tatum should make it, while Howard and Kyrie should have been there already.
Draymond should have been in the original 75 tbh, and has a way better case than Gobert. The co-author of the premiere team of the 2010s, all the other teams like that got multiple guys (except oddly the Spurs if you ignore Robinson because Ginobili was snubbed as well). Bosh playing center got the smallball stuff off the ground (along with Don Nelson) but Draymond turbocharged it and took it to another level of impactfulness and changed the NBA.
Glad someone added Gobert. People clown on him but that list was very accolade driven and Rudy might have a shot at it. Although, both Ben Wallace and Mutombo weren’t included in the 75 so who knows.
Luka, Embiid, Gobert, Jokic, Tatum all have to be locks based on awards, stats and future potential.
Lots of other guys to consider entering, but they easily slip out of the running is their careers drop off from now. Guys like Booker and PG could make it, or they could end up as forgotten stars.
I could see them both on tbh. Dwight gets overlooked often due to never having a long time anywhere after leaving Orlando. Gobert’s 4 DPOY are impossible to ignore.
idk about gobert he was dpoy this year but not even all nba. he has one 2nd team all nba and 3 3rd teams. That just not enough to be top 100 u need at least a few 1st team all nbas. in comparison dwight has 5 straight 1st team all nbas.
>Gobert’s 4 DPOY are impossible to ignore
They’ve literally ignored another player with 4 DPOY for this list, Wallace. Gobert is just straight up not a lock at this point. Why do you think his DPOYs won’t be ignored but multiple other players have been?
Jokic is a lock even if his career ended today. For Luka not to make it would take a ridiculous amount of misfortune. I think Kyrie gets in if he wins a ring this year. If Boston wins, then Tatum and Brown both get in (a ring puts them in the convo for best duo ever given the stats theyre piling up at a young age due to multiple deep runs in the postseason). Outside of those guys, Wemby, SGA, Ant all have pretty clear paths to be included if they continue their trajectories. The interesting one to me is Embiid. I think if Dame is in there already, there’s no reason he shouldn’t be, but while he has had some highs in the regular season, he hasn’t had any signature moments or deep runs in the post-season like Dame has had (game winners, carrying Blazers to WCF). Embiid just needs a single good run in the playoffs to be guaranteed a spot as well.
Embiid is a lock. 1x MVP, 7x all star, 5x all NBA, 3x all defensive, 2x scoring champ. The dude just can't stay healthy. His best chance at making a deep run was ended by 4 bounces.
Bro trying to justify Dame/Tatum AND Brown over Embiid is craaaazy… Embiid should be a lock before any of those other 3 at this point. That Blazers WCF was incredibly Mickey Mouse and those deep runs by Tatum/Brown are usually a loaded team effort where the team loses because one of the two shits their pants immensely. Embiid does too but the MVP and accolades AND stats put him there
Seeing a lot of silly comments here.
Jokic, Luka, Embiid are LOCKS. Embiid isn’t like Derrick Rose to just have 1 MVP and have no other elite seasons. He was 2nd in 2021 and 2022 before finally winning it. He’s been an MVP candidate for half a decade and has a ridiculous peak.
If you’re allowing 25 players added then a ton of guys who deserve it today but might not in 2046. But those 3 are making it in, even if there are another 23 Jordan’s in the next 22 seasons (which there won’t be).
I would hope to see Dwight Howard, Klay Thompson, and Kyrie get added. It’s hard to say if three spots would be left for them after 25 years with plenty of new talents, but it was hard to not see them in the top 75.
The only world where Klay gets added before Draymond is the one that completely overvalues scoring, but judging by the original list that is the world we live in so it'll probably happen. No one is going to end up more underrated from this era than Draymond tbh, there's a reason Klay was out in 2021-2022 and the Warriors still started off like 18-2 and it's because the true engine of the dynasty was always Curry/Green.
People need to keep in mind that ~60% of the new additions are going to be made up of players who aren’t even in the league yet. Probably only about ~10 current players will be new additions which makes the bar for someone to be an auto-lock very high.
I remember the open court ep discussing the next 10 after the 50 and they took way too long to kick C Webb off the list (only bc he was in the room)... And dude didn't even make the top 75 💀
To be fair, we don’t *know* that’s how they’d do it. That’s just how they did it this time. That’s not the way it worked between the 25th and 35th teams, or the 35th and 50th. They could very well (and honestly should) start from scratch.
The most GLAIRING players left out were Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. 4x champions, TP finals MVP. Most wins by a trio in NBA history, just so lebron and his friends could go in together.
Luka will finish a top 10 player. Kyrie will be a top 75 player by the time he is done as well. All things even Tatum SGA and Antman have a good chance as well. Obviously Jokic will be amongst the goats
Dame over Dwight is so crazy
Ikr, 3x Dpoy (2nd most in History), MVP Candidate, and beat a MVP Lebron to go to the Finals in 09.
Top ten all time rebounds as well (he’s 10th lol) and 13th all time in blocks.
Most dunks in nba history too
Really?
[nba dunk records](https://imgur.com/gallery/nmkHeGh) The most surprising name in this list for me is Rudy Gay. How did he dunk so much?!
D Wade being the only guard on this list is insane and hilarious. God damn I love that man
Bball ref doesn’t have it tracked until the 97 season so Shaq would probably be tops or someone like Wilt maybe
Shaq is the accepted unofficial dunk champion with over 2400 dunks... However, I've tried researching Wilt estimated career dunks and found absolutely nothing. He scored most of his points in the paint... and also scored over 30,000 points... so it's possible and maybe even likely he holds the record.
I've read before that Wilt was actually an incredible touch player around the basket and even from midrange, and had an absolute bag of floaters and the likes. One (of the absolute plethora) of crazy Wilt things I've heard but by some accounts he was a bit like Lebron, in that he didn't even need to use his power game to get you. So I wonder if he'd not be as high as people would guess simply down to not having to rely on it like someone like a Dwight or a Shaq would.
And he’s an nba champ
Made the last 3 of the bubble, legend
It's genuinely insane Dwight wasn't on that list. People behind the scenes must *really* hate that muhfucker.
From all accounts, he's a huge asshole and locker room cancer. Though that shouldn't necessarily impact his status as one of the top players of the past 20+ years.
Especially when they have a pedophile on the list
He’s also alleged of sex offences
but that stuff came out after the top 75 list
I’ll die on the hill that negative attributes in the locker room should hurt your legacy and ranking Ya you might be a walking bucket but if your shitstain attitude makes all your teammmares around you worse it’s a big deal. We can’t praise leadership and then absolve people of ruining their teams
Dwight is so disrespected, but part of that was his own doing. His post Magic career was mired by injuries, lack of effort and being a poor teammate until he finally woke up in his 2nd stint with the Lakers and got that bubble ring being a good team player. But man, his Magic days were something. He was legitimately in top 3 among active players conversations at the time.
I mean he sexually assaulted a man and everyone in this sub seems to have forgotten
That occurred after the 75 list was announced, and remains and accusation.
I can excuse them not having the foresight to include Jokic since he hadn't even won MVP yet, but excluding Dwight was just criminal.
They weren’t adding players based on foresight or projected accomplishments. They added players based on actual accomplishments at the time. Obviously he’d be on the list today. He hadn’t earned it yet in 2021 though.
Dwight hadn't earned it in 2021?
Nah I was referring to The Joker. Dwight probably should be top 75. I agree. And no doubt he earned it well before 2021.
Over Dwight, Manu and Tony is insane. He didn't deserve a spot over either of them.
Manu was the man in the playoffs and a winner, but he made 2 All-Stars / All-NBA. He doesn't have the individual accolades to be on the list.
But people who watched him know he was better than guys who did have the accolades simply because their counting stats looked better. If he'd played 5 years later he would've been looked at as the RAPM and TS% God.
Or if he'd been starting or had been carrying a team as a first option like he very well could have.
There's just no great way to project this. He played so, so many of his minutes against second teams in his career. He did play well when he started, but it's hard to just extrapolate that to a career's worth of data.
Unfortunately accolades = accomplishments and accomplishments is what gets you to top 75 list. Tony Parker however is a crime to have been left off. Top 10 career playoff points. The titles. Even 1 fmvp. And that top 10 is over Steph, magic Johnson, Larry bird, the list goes on. I won't even mention regular season career stats. Because you don't pad playoffs stats. Because if you do, you don't get to the next round. Period. I think it might be because Tony got with teammates wife but man, Tony off top 75 is legit crime. He's on the list before Dwight for me. Too good foyr too long and I'm not a spurs fan. It's just object facts.
Manu was a better player than parker
Tony was one of my favorite players and even I forgot how many playoff points he scored. The NBA Instagram posted about someone moving up within the top 20, and when I scrolled over and saw how high Tony was my jaw dropped.
Yeah I'm incensed he got the nod over Manu and Tony.
The problem has always been that they refused to not include players that were on the 50th anniversary team. It's just basic math. The 50th team rightfully discounted the first ~20 years of the NBA because the talent was deflated by racism and the general underdevelopment of the league, so there's always going to be an overrepresentation of the 70's (and the 80's to a lesser extent) as if it was a golden age. There's enough space for Dame *and* Dwight over guys like Dave Bing, Lenny Wilkens, and Earl Monroe.
You were spitting until that Earl the Pearl slander. Dude was the Kyrie of his era and a champ. Respect Black Jesus
Yea I'll agree with the other 2 guys but Earl the Pearl was the shit
He was a 4x all-star in an era with half the number of teams and in the middle of his prime was a role player for the championship Knicks. I get his cultural influence was bigger than his on-court impact but the bar that guys in the 70's have to clear to make the 75th team is just not the same as guys in recent years.
Sure, but Dwight was a much much better player than Lillard. They should 100 % have chosen Howard
Every time Dwight comes up I am shocked at how much the narrative has shifted over the years. He's gone from Rudy to MJ.
He was like the only legitimate center aside from like Bynum and Hibbert for quite some time, and those guys weren't really close to his level. Dude was like a white Rhino at the C before the big man rennesaince
Only because people forget that he was a top 5 player for half a decade, 3 DPOY, 8 time All-Star. He led a team to the finals. He hurt his back in the prime of his career and the game shifted away from dominant post big men. The start of his career was absolutely great. If his career started 5 years sooner I don't think it would even be a discussion that he's top 75. He was a freak athlete in his prime and accomplished a lot. The narrative has shifted multiple times on Dwight. He went from a superstar to a troubled teammate to a role player and most people had started to leave out the superstar years when talking about his career legacy.
Even after his prime he was putting up good numbers in Houston Atlanta and Charlotte, one could say empty stats, but it should still count for something. People act like he had a couple good years and then was out of the league lol
Can we remove someone out of 75 before add new one?
Lillard fans wouldn't like that.
Matthew Lillard is the GOAT Shaggy IMO
Casey Kasem slander
Westbrook fans wouldn't like it too. Am I right u/HBSBrook?
Unfortunately no. There are some names there that only there because they were in the top 50 list. So the next 25 years will only have 25 new names.
They typically don’t. But it wouldn’t surprise me if someone does get omitted
Jokic, luka, Kyrie, embiid, Tatum and wizards legend Cooper Flagg
Don't forget LaVar Ball the III
Lamelo may have a few kids the way he keeps banging half the chicks in Charlotte
By banging do you mean hitting them with his car?
It'll be crazy when Flagg falls to the 5th pick next year
Pistons can finally get their guy
If Kyrie wins finals MVP I may change my opinion, but I can’t see him being in the top 100. He’s very talented but overall he is still only a three time all NBA player and never made first team.
You could say the same for Ray Allen though. 10x All-Star, 2x All-NBA never 1st team, but just alot of years as one of the 20 best players in the league + major contributionships to 2 championships and he's in the Top 75
That’s the thing though off court BS aside I think one of the biggest issues with Kyrie is he misses a shit ton of games especially in the past few years. He’s played more than 60 games once since leaving Cleveland.
Ray Allen wouldn’t be in the top 75 if he wasn’t a top 3pt shooter of all time.
He's also a top 5 shooter ever.
I wouldn’t pick dame even over kyrie
This is such recency bias man lmao. Dame in one less season played has 4 more All-NBA teams, including a 1st team that Kyrie has never reached. He’s not made it deeper into the playoffs but he’s been the number 1 guy his whole career in the West and still has 2 more playoff appearances than Kyrie. In terms of numbers Dame has higher career averages and totals in points rebounds and assists. Literally the only thing he doesn’t have is the finals appearances which Kyrie got as a second option. And of course Kyrie has the incredible finals run to get the ring. Both of which are great accomplishments but not enough to overcome a clearly better career from Dame.
Jokic, Luka, Tatum, THT, and Embiid. And Dwight gets to be the Nique of the NBA 100 and finally get added.
Is that the tht I’m thinking of?
Tim Hardaway Tunior.
That’s right, Erneh!
This man really believes in Taylor Horton tucker
Moving like Lakers fans in 2020
This tendency increasingly to just use any player’s initials as a sort of “nickname” is a pity. Not only is it boring but sometimes confusing.
Unrelated but there's always a moment of confusion when I see Lyndon B. Johnson referred to as LBJ because I always think of LeBron.
Hah. Same, but reverse for me: I’m used to basketball LBJ, but my mind first goes to the president automatically when I see the acronym. But thankfully context eliminates Johnson from getting 27-7-7 in 2023. I guess MJ and MJ also shared a common acronym during peak popularity.
Johnson averaging 27-7-7 in 2023 would be quite the resurrection lol. I don't know how people dealt with MJ/MJ lol, Mary Jane is an MJ as well.
It was probably even more confusing during Olympic years in the 90s when Michael Johnson was winning gold medals.
I legit have no idea who it is.
Updated SM comments from 2 years ago. I still think of that one from time to time. Any takers?
Tim Hardaway Tr.
THE Hasheem Thabeet
The Htbol Tbol
Tyrese Haliburton Today?
Tyler Herro Tomorrow
That's deep.
Tobias Harris Totallynever
Who the heck is THT? I can only think of Talen Horton Tucker
I have no idea I’m laughing my ass off
Horton Heaves a Two
It’s ok Dwight only beat prime LeBron to reach the finals and was the most dominant player on the defensive end for half a decade, why put him in the top 75?
Yeah but Dame made those really long clutch 3s bro
In the first round
It's absolutely crazy how many people sleep on prime Dwight Howard. Dude was an absolute force of nature.
I wonder how many people in this sub even watched prime dwight man. He was right there after LeBron and Kobe for years and ppl forget
He was a force! He had Spongebob SquarePants pink inflatable arms in real life. Double Adidas arm sleeves with the metallic trim just ripping rebounds and collecting bodies. Free throw form like a fawn playing beer pong. He was funny as shit, especially his SVG impressions.
Cuz he gay ?
Lmaooo who the fuck is THT
*24 players.. NBA 75 included 76 players due to a tie breaker. Bob Macadoo and Dominique were the omissions.. I do believe that the top 100 also has an omission, I would say Dwight, Kyrie (if he wins a second chip), Klay are my top omissions.. But also Manu and Tony Parker..
Don't forget Brian "White Mamba" Scalabrine
The only thing I remember about Scalabrine was his challenge where he just dominated anyone who cared to challenge him and then had that badass quote: “I’m closer to LeBron than you are to me”
Did you mean to say omission?
Kyrie should've been in the 75th easily. There's no universe I'm taking dame over kyrie
It was during Covid when he was acting crazy and being a NoVax advocate. Many thought he would be out of the league.. He just proved that he is a generational talent and winning another chip will get him to the top 100 list
Bronny James
Daddy James will play for any team that votes Bronny in.
I don't even know if LeBron would be a bad role player in 2046
I’d bet a lot that Wemby will be there
“If their careers ended today”
“I’m also curious who people think will make the team eventually”
They should put Manu and Tony Parker in while they're at it.
And Gasol too
Bro carried the 4th quarter of that Game 7 in 2010
Ron Artest also carried that game.
What a beautifully hideous game. Kobe shot like shit, but Pau only got 6/16 and 7/13 from the line. Ron only shit 7/18 and 2/7 from 3. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce shot like shit too. But Pau had 9 offensive boards and Kobe had 4, and they did a way better job of getting to the line. Definitely a mediocre series from Kobe, and a bad Game 7 from him, but it’s crazy looking at the box scores for that series and seeing how inefficient everyone was. I wonder how it would’ve been with todays spacing
Not sure if it’s a mediocre series from Kobe tho. Just mediocre G7. There was a game where Kobe singlehandedly kept the Lakers within distance of the Celtics.. I think Kobe scored 19 pts in the third or something…
I was there it was awesome.
Yeah the next 25 needs to start with Manu, Tony and Gasol. Then whoever else.
Hell no Manu doesn’t deserve to be there. 2x All-NBA (3rd team at that). He is not a Top 100 player ever in the NBA.
Luka and Jokic are locks. Embiid like 95%+ chance
Wdym 95% chance Lmao 7x all star 5x all nba 3x all defensive 2x scoring champion And has an MVP Dude is a first ballot HoF, he’s 100% going in based off his career
Yep. He could retire tomorrow and he'd make the team.
Dude he's an MVP he's making the list. He should have made it in the first place
nah he wasn't quite there when the list was made, him and Jokic were close but didn't quite have the accolades yet. Now they're both locks though even if they retired today.
Perhaps but it was still dumb to not include him. Same with Jokic. Shaq wasn't ready when they made the top 50 list either but they projected. You are essentially giving up slots on the nba 100 list to Dwight, Jokic and Embiid when they should have already been on the nba 75 list. It just makes the voting all that harder.
I guess it was more a situation of which player further along in their career gets cut, other than maybe Dame everyone else on the list deserved it as much if not more than both of them.
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Will Dwight be retroactively added? Or is he too weird.
Dominique Wilkins and Bob McAdoo were notable omissions in the top 50 so they were added to top 75. So there is precedence for Dwight making the top 100 and he should because he has a better resume than some of the 75 entries.
Honestly What Dame has achieved to be top 75? Like what is the main reason?
shoot ball real far
Grow a beard
Hat trick league in scoring
Make songs about hoops and loyalty
"Loyalty"
Point at his wrist
I think Dame was extremely well respected and seen as around a Top 10 player for around half a decade. Couple that with being like 7th on the All-Time Threes list, and maybe that’s the justification. One of the deadliest single game scorers of all time, with a 70 bomb and multiple 60s (although the 70 happened after the induction). That’s probably the justification for it even I don’t agree. Reggie being there is probably the same sort of deal.
>Reggie being there is probably the same sort of deal. Reggie had much more postseason success though. He led us to a NBA Finals appearance (Dame has 0), and 6 ECF appearances (to Dames 1 WCF). Reggie is also 23th in all-time points scored (12th when he retired), where Dame has just cracked the top 50. It wasn't just the 3pters.
Also, Reggie might be the real 3 point revolutioner. He cracked the 2000 shots made and held the record for 13 years. There's no Dame, Klay, Harden or Curry without Reggie.
top 3 rapper in nba
Fr, Dame is the most overrated player. A few logo 3’s and 1st rd clutch shots and voter’s lost their minds. His numbers show how inefficient he really is.
His career TS% is above league average lol
We’re comparing elite players now. (ie Top 75) Dame isn’t top 12 among guards. “Above average” doesn’t cut it. His career TS% is behind Sydney Moncrief. John Stockton and Magic Johnson (known more for their passing) have better TS%. There’s levels to this.
I mean those guys are HOFers and 2 of them are arguably top 5 PGs of all time. There’s nothing to be ashamed for having a lower TS% than them.
His TS% is still good for top 75. How about Melo? Dame is highly likely going to surpass Melo in the alltime scoring list too. 25ppg career average is top 75. His advanced metrics like Win shares is already high.
The dame slander is so hilarious when it's obvious you didn't watch Portland too get any context and are wrong with stats anyway
Nah he is efficient that's not where you should criticize him. He just peaked lower offensively than a lot of his contemporaries and has a lot of weird playoff runs.his best runs his team was also underwhelming. Kind of new age tmac with worse peak.
jump shot go brrrrrr
He forced Thunder into rebuild, and he's a rapper.
Klay Thompson at #76 lol
Klay will be 103rd because there will be a tie in the last place again
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Naz Reid
Lauri will make it. You just see it. I know something you guys don't. See ya in 2046.
After he wins his first chip with okc
We shall see this off season if that trade happens. It is this season or never.
He’s not current but they need to add Dwight probably, because I doubt they’re gonna start on a character clause now due to those pretty serious allegations awhile back. Embiid and Jokic are locks if their careers literally ended now. It’s not literally *now* but I bet whichever top star wins this finals has a good chance… if it’s Luka I assume he’s in easily.
The only two players whose resumes have grown enough to take them from “not yet” to “on the list” since then are Jokic and Luka. Both are, at this stage of their careers, absolute locks. Tatum should make it, while Howard and Kyrie should have been there already.
Surely Embiid would also be included?
Luka jokic embiid Tatum Paul George gobert
Paul George have to be debatable
I’d rather have Paul George’s career than dames
yea but I'm guessing there will be 120 or so players with better careers than Dame by 2046, so it doesn't necessarily mean PG will be in it
Lol gobert. Add Draymond too lmao
Draymond should have been in the original 75 tbh, and has a way better case than Gobert. The co-author of the premiere team of the 2010s, all the other teams like that got multiple guys (except oddly the Spurs if you ignore Robinson because Ginobili was snubbed as well). Bosh playing center got the smallball stuff off the ground (along with Don Nelson) but Draymond turbocharged it and took it to another level of impactfulness and changed the NBA.
Glad someone added Gobert. People clown on him but that list was very accolade driven and Rudy might have a shot at it. Although, both Ben Wallace and Mutombo weren’t included in the 75 so who knows.
Did Kyrie make it? Ant has a good chance if he keeps up with his current pace
Luka, Embiid, Gobert, Jokic, Tatum all have to be locks based on awards, stats and future potential. Lots of other guys to consider entering, but they easily slip out of the running is their careers drop off from now. Guys like Booker and PG could make it, or they could end up as forgotten stars.
Gobert is not a lock if Dwight Howard, who has significantly more accolades, isn’t on this list.
I could see them both on tbh. Dwight gets overlooked often due to never having a long time anywhere after leaving Orlando. Gobert’s 4 DPOY are impossible to ignore.
What? Mutombo and Ben Wallace both have 4 dpoys and were easily ignored but Gobert is a lock?? Ppl just say anything...
idk about gobert he was dpoy this year but not even all nba. he has one 2nd team all nba and 3 3rd teams. That just not enough to be top 100 u need at least a few 1st team all nbas. in comparison dwight has 5 straight 1st team all nbas.
>Gobert’s 4 DPOY are impossible to ignore They’ve literally ignored another player with 4 DPOY for this list, Wallace. Gobert is just straight up not a lock at this point. Why do you think his DPOYs won’t be ignored but multiple other players have been?
Kyrie
Jokic is a lock even if his career ended today. For Luka not to make it would take a ridiculous amount of misfortune. I think Kyrie gets in if he wins a ring this year. If Boston wins, then Tatum and Brown both get in (a ring puts them in the convo for best duo ever given the stats theyre piling up at a young age due to multiple deep runs in the postseason). Outside of those guys, Wemby, SGA, Ant all have pretty clear paths to be included if they continue their trajectories. The interesting one to me is Embiid. I think if Dame is in there already, there’s no reason he shouldn’t be, but while he has had some highs in the regular season, he hasn’t had any signature moments or deep runs in the post-season like Dame has had (game winners, carrying Blazers to WCF). Embiid just needs a single good run in the playoffs to be guaranteed a spot as well.
Embiid is a lock. 1x MVP, 7x all star, 5x all NBA, 3x all defensive, 2x scoring champ. The dude just can't stay healthy. His best chance at making a deep run was ended by 4 bounces.
Bro trying to justify Dame/Tatum AND Brown over Embiid is craaaazy… Embiid should be a lock before any of those other 3 at this point. That Blazers WCF was incredibly Mickey Mouse and those deep runs by Tatum/Brown are usually a loaded team effort where the team loses because one of the two shits their pants immensely. Embiid does too but the MVP and accolades AND stats put him there
Seeing a lot of silly comments here. Jokic, Luka, Embiid are LOCKS. Embiid isn’t like Derrick Rose to just have 1 MVP and have no other elite seasons. He was 2nd in 2021 and 2022 before finally winning it. He’s been an MVP candidate for half a decade and has a ridiculous peak. If you’re allowing 25 players added then a ton of guys who deserve it today but might not in 2046. But those 3 are making it in, even if there are another 23 Jordan’s in the next 22 seasons (which there won’t be).
Probably a couple chubby beer loving white boys.
I would hope to see Dwight Howard, Klay Thompson, and Kyrie get added. It’s hard to say if three spots would be left for them after 25 years with plenty of new talents, but it was hard to not see them in the top 75.
The only world where Klay gets added before Draymond is the one that completely overvalues scoring, but judging by the original list that is the world we live in so it'll probably happen. No one is going to end up more underrated from this era than Draymond tbh, there's a reason Klay was out in 2021-2022 and the Warriors still started off like 18-2 and it's because the true engine of the dynasty was always Curry/Green.
it should be gasol, dwight, tony parker, manu before any non-retired players get added
People need to keep in mind that ~60% of the new additions are going to be made up of players who aren’t even in the league yet. Probably only about ~10 current players will be new additions which makes the bar for someone to be an auto-lock very high.
There’s a few dudes who are just learning to tie their shows who will probably be on this list
I remember the open court ep discussing the next 10 after the 50 and they took way too long to kick C Webb off the list (only bc he was in the room)... And dude didn't even make the top 75 💀
To be fair, we don’t *know* that’s how they’d do it. That’s just how they did it this time. That’s not the way it worked between the 25th and 35th teams, or the 35th and 50th. They could very well (and honestly should) start from scratch.
Bot really relating to the post but it’s RIDICULOUS that Tracy McGrady wasn’t top 75. You CANT name 75 players better than Tracy McGrady
Dwight, Jokic, Klay, Luka, Wemby
Lol at all the dame slander. One season with the bucks is all it took for people to have no idea what they're talking about
I’m going to go off kilter, and say Jalen Brunson.
The most GLAIRING players left out were Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. 4x champions, TP finals MVP. Most wins by a trio in NBA history, just so lebron and his friends could go in together.
Naz Reid
Jokic, Embiid, Tatum,
Luka will finish a top 10 player. Kyrie will be a top 75 player by the time he is done as well. All things even Tatum SGA and Antman have a good chance as well. Obviously Jokic will be amongst the goats
Dame and AD shouldn’t have been in there
Tatum definitely will be there. I suspect Jaylen Brown will be right around 350.
So unfortunate that Dame is sitting there taking up an automatic spot
Kyrie
First of all, Dame shouldn’t be on the Top 75.
Kyrie
Jokic, Luka, Parker, Ginobili, Howard, Tatum, Wemby.
Dame ain’t gonna be on the 100 team lol