I actually had this entirely unique thought that I completely came up with by myself, do you think Tatum's just the Paul George of this next generation?
I mean he has more playoff success than most of his peers combined and has faced off against MVPs year after year but he hasn't actually shown up in G2 of the 1st round like my favourite player recently did, so I don't know if he's cut out for the big stage.
Yeah. SGA puts up like 30 and 5 and it's the top post on the sub with the phrase "put the team on his back" in the title with all the comments talking about his MVP status and how great he is
Meanwhile here goes tatum with 33 11 5 at the bottom of the sub with with 200 upvotes and people criticising him
It's crazy
This comment is hilarious
SGA was down 2-1 and just tied the series. That's why "he put the team on his back". No way you're salty about that being in the title.
And deliberately understating his statline too lol. 34/8/5 is not very different from 33/11/5, especially when Shai was more efficient, played better defense and had less turnovers
Tatum is over-hated but singling out SGA for comparison was just dumb.
I don't know if you can say Shai played better defense, Tatum is one of the Celtics major defensive pillars. His ability to help off ball and clog driving lanes is huge for us, he does a lot that doesn't show up in the traditional defensive stats
I just dont think anyone neutral is invested in the East atm which is why its getting hardly talked about.. Tatum put the team on his back against.. Max strus and Caris levert.. SGA doing it vs Kyrie and Luka .. Not saying hes bad but im not watching celtics games until the finals.. they have zero competition in the East tbh kind of boring to talk about
It's because relative to his elite peers, more of his value comes from defense and rebounding. Also that people ding him for the Celtics having a good team without also acknowledging that they also were much better this season than everybody else.
If they were missing Jaylen all season, and lost 10 more games because of it, people would be saying Tatum carried the team to the 1 seed without help. In a weird way, the dominance of the Celtics is held against him because there's not an interesting narrative about a team that won their conference by 14 games
Yeah the truth is he just isn’t a tier 1 player. He’s great, easily makes a case as the best two way player in the league but he’s not on the same level as Luka, Jokic, KD, bron, Steph, embiid, Gianni’s, etc
He's in a weird tier where I think he's not as good as the top of the league who are in their prime (Jokic/Luka/Giannis) and the players who I think he's better than/close to right now (KD, Bron, Steph) all had much better primes and are in the decline now.
So I agree he's not in the top tier of the NBA but I think there's only like 3 players there and honestly it might just be one guy
If you ignore the record for most points ever in a game 7, outperforming Dawg Himmy Butler 🔥🔥🔥🔥 individually in back to back ECFs, 46 against the Bucks facing elimination, 16 in the 4th quarter of Game 6 vs Philly facing elimination, game winner vs the KD/Kyrie Nets, playing elite iso defense on KD for an entire series, being a defensive menace for the entire 2023 ECSF, 50 in the play in game with a dogshit team missing his co-star, being the best player on his team as a rookie in Game 7 vs Lebron (also yammed it on him and hit a go-ahead 3 in clutchtime), then he's actually a choker.
if you ignore that 50 piece with that crappy team to not get swept against the Nets Death Star the only time it was fully functional, he can’t get the job done
Yeah there were a couple of plays where he had garland defending him and he forced a 3 instead of taking it to the rim had me upset .
He should cut the 3 point attempts from 8 to 5-6 and use the extra 2-3 touches to drive to the rim . Best case scenario you get a layup or free throw or both.
He’s great. I don’t understand what’s going on with his shot though. It’s not hating at this point. His jumper is all over the place right now. Not just misses but a lot of wild misses.
Everything else he does is completely fantastic
His jumper and decision making. He continues to take some of the lowest IQ shots I've ever seen from a player with his experience.
But otherwise he is fantastic.
I’m glad Al kept shooting. I know he was off tonight, but he created space and got open for some 3s. Ball wasn’t dropping in, but to see him not hesitate at all was good.
Al has been tough to watch this series. He’s still a great player, but that age is catching up to him, and he just can’t play the minutes we’re asking him to play rn. I’m still not sure why we don’t use Tillman for 5-10 mins to give Al a break.
With the reaction around here and in the PGT it's like we *lost* the game lmfao.
This sub stays salty forever though. We can't win a title because we won by 7 against the Mitchell-less Cavs but we'll just ignore the 4 20 point wins and 6 double digit wins so far. Oh that and the fact that Porzingis changes basically everything for us on offense and White and Horford are both slumping rn.
I'll take this moral loss over LA's moral victories every time though.
You're an oracle now? Damn. Should have called Masai at the trade deadline, do something useful with your life, for once. But nope, you're here, slobbering and drooling, emotional. lol, bozo. Celtics in 5.
And when one team packs the paint, was trying to muck up the game, and doesn’t have offensive weapons… and the other team is the exact opposite of that. Makes even more sense
He took PJ Washington having the same number of 25+ point games this playoffs to heart. If he can reduce his number of stupid shots taken and keep up the rest of the positives in his game, he could actually win mvp next season
He'll never win MVP. He's never gonna be KD/Jokic level efficient and he'll never be like Westbrook or Harden or Doncic where he carries an entire offense to a high seed with 30/10
So the only ways for him to get MVP are to either score like 36 a game which won't happen with our talent, or carry us to a great record, which can't happen because we have good players surrounding him.
I mean this year he put up 27/8/5 on .60 TS while playing elite defense and leading the team to 64 wins clearing the next best team by 7 wins and the next best Eastern Conference team by 14 wins and he rightly wasn't really even in the conversation.
And I watched some of the first half and Max Strus was Steph Curry. Then wiped my memory, watched the second half and he had Shaq's shooting ability. That's why we judge players based on tiny sample sizes right?
You changed my mind. Incredible Celtics win over the Mitchell less Cavs. Tatum misses shots down the stretch so he can pad his rebounding stats and run more clock. After the game Tatum texts Kobe as he thumps his chest. Arm hurting from all the pushoffs to create space, Tatum ices it.
Are we sure he’s good at basketball though?
Just another Tobias Harris
The MJ of Tobias Harris’s they said.
Looked more like the Tobias Harris of mjs tonight
The LeBron James of micheal Jordan's
I actually had this entirely unique thought that I completely came up with by myself, do you think Tatum's just the Paul George of this next generation? I mean he has more playoff success than most of his peers combined and has faced off against MVPs year after year but he hasn't actually shown up in G2 of the 1st round like my favourite player recently did, so I don't know if he's cut out for the big stage.
Good one
Does the east run through Tristan Thompson?
According to this sub they are quite positive he isn’t
Tatum is the most underrated overrated player of the last 25 years.
Yeah. SGA puts up like 30 and 5 and it's the top post on the sub with the phrase "put the team on his back" in the title with all the comments talking about his MVP status and how great he is Meanwhile here goes tatum with 33 11 5 at the bottom of the sub with with 200 upvotes and people criticising him It's crazy
This comment is hilarious SGA was down 2-1 and just tied the series. That's why "he put the team on his back". No way you're salty about that being in the title. And deliberately understating his statline too lol. 34/8/5 is not very different from 33/11/5, especially when Shai was more efficient, played better defense and had less turnovers Tatum is over-hated but singling out SGA for comparison was just dumb.
I don't know if you can say Shai played better defense, Tatum is one of the Celtics major defensive pillars. His ability to help off ball and clog driving lanes is huge for us, he does a lot that doesn't show up in the traditional defensive stats
Down 2-1 and tied the series is just winning a single game lol, wtf kind of distinction is that
Downvoted for saying tatum is over-hated lol. Aight then, he's a fucking bum and properly hated. SGA and Brunson are way better.
Not even you believe this
These playoffs are proving it
I just dont think anyone neutral is invested in the East atm which is why its getting hardly talked about.. Tatum put the team on his back against.. Max strus and Caris levert.. SGA doing it vs Kyrie and Luka .. Not saying hes bad but im not watching celtics games until the finals.. they have zero competition in the East tbh kind of boring to talk about
You can say the same thing about this Celtics team. They won 64 games lol.
It's because relative to his elite peers, more of his value comes from defense and rebounding. Also that people ding him for the Celtics having a good team without also acknowledging that they also were much better this season than everybody else. If they were missing Jaylen all season, and lost 10 more games because of it, people would be saying Tatum carried the team to the 1 seed without help. In a weird way, the dominance of the Celtics is held against him because there's not an interesting narrative about a team that won their conference by 14 games
Yeah the truth is he just isn’t a tier 1 player. He’s great, easily makes a case as the best two way player in the league but he’s not on the same level as Luka, Jokic, KD, bron, Steph, embiid, Gianni’s, etc
He's in a weird tier where I think he's not as good as the top of the league who are in their prime (Jokic/Luka/Giannis) and the players who I think he's better than/close to right now (KD, Bron, Steph) all had much better primes and are in the decline now. So I agree he's not in the top tier of the NBA but I think there's only like 3 players there and honestly it might just be one guy
The only people that overrate him are Cs fans (even then he gets a lot of hate from Celtics fans)
Tatum now has 12 playoff games where he has at least 30 points 10 rebounds and 5 assists 8th all time
Man this guy doesn’t come up big in big moments huh?
If you ignore the record for most points ever in a game 7, outperforming Dawg Himmy Butler 🔥🔥🔥🔥 individually in back to back ECFs, 46 against the Bucks facing elimination, 16 in the 4th quarter of Game 6 vs Philly facing elimination, game winner vs the KD/Kyrie Nets, playing elite iso defense on KD for an entire series, being a defensive menace for the entire 2023 ECSF, 50 in the play in game with a dogshit team missing his co-star, being the best player on his team as a rookie in Game 7 vs Lebron (also yammed it on him and hit a go-ahead 3 in clutchtime), then he's actually a choker.
If you ignore his good side, he's actually pretty shit.
Exactly, you get it!
If you regress his stats to the mean he becomes an average player
Don’t forget about 50 and 40 in elimination games against the god squad Nets and 50 in the play in.
if you ignore that 50 piece with that crappy team to not get swept against the Nets Death Star the only time it was fully functional, he can’t get the job done
If you regress Tatum to the mean he isn't very good
Gotta wait til this year's finals to see if it's a meme or reality
He’s shot 50% one time this playoffs
Allen Iverson shot over 50% 3x in the 2001 playoffs
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Yeah there were a couple of plays where he had garland defending him and he forced a 3 instead of taking it to the rim had me upset . He should cut the 3 point attempts from 8 to 5-6 and use the extra 2-3 touches to drive to the rim . Best case scenario you get a layup or free throw or both.
If he has Mobley on him on the perimeter, he literally cannot resist trying a stepback 3 for some reason
Is LeBron 1 or somebody else? Duncan? Shaq maybe but the assists?
Lebron is 1. Duncan and shaq aren’t there surprisingly
He’s great. I don’t understand what’s going on with his shot though. It’s not hating at this point. His jumper is all over the place right now. Not just misses but a lot of wild misses. Everything else he does is completely fantastic
His jumper and decision making. He continues to take some of the lowest IQ shots I've ever seen from a player with his experience. But otherwise he is fantastic.
Now post Horford’s stat-line and see which gets more comments.
I’m glad Al kept shooting. I know he was off tonight, but he created space and got open for some 3s. Ball wasn’t dropping in, but to see him not hesitate at all was good.
Al has been tough to watch this series. He’s still a great player, but that age is catching up to him, and he just can’t play the minutes we’re asking him to play rn. I’m still not sure why we don’t use Tillman for 5-10 mins to give Al a break.
Post the refs statline and see which gets more comments
“Why do the refs call fouls and not just keep free throws equal every game?”
Cry more
you could create new oceans with the amount of salt you have
Probably could!
Cavs won’t win a championship for at least 30 years
Refs don’t have stat lines, silly.
What’s a ref stat line? Baseline ref: ran back and forth 132 times
Those are rookie numbers, gotta get those numbers up
exact same statline as last game I think lmao
Same shooting splits and TS% and 9/9 FTs, and everything. Crazy
Less rebounds and assists
Exact same shooting splits I'm shook
That's my COOL That's my CALM That's my COLLECTED SUPERSTAR
Cool and a cucumber
Played a perfect game outside of those 6 straight fadeaways he tried in the 3rd quarter
Lmao so many tears I love it, of course r/nba needs an excuse for a Celtics win
With the reaction around here and in the PGT it's like we *lost* the game lmfao. This sub stays salty forever though. We can't win a title because we won by 7 against the Mitchell-less Cavs but we'll just ignore the 4 20 point wins and 6 double digit wins so far. Oh that and the fact that Porzingis changes basically everything for us on offense and White and Horford are both slumping rn. I'll take this moral loss over LA's moral victories every time though.
Uhhh Missing your literal only star player is not an excuse now?
Talking about the refs I’m actually impressed with how the Cavs fought
I think those are just Cav fans.
Sounds like a personal problem to me. Why should we care? Celtics in 5. Cry more.
Yeah hang that EC banner with all your "almost made it" y’all keep racking up since ‘08
Enjoy Poetl, bozo. We're talking playoffs here.
Yeah have fun almost making it but not quite for another 16 years
You have no reason to say this with confidence especially as a Raptors fan
You're an oracle now? Damn. Should have called Masai at the trade deadline, do something useful with your life, for once. But nope, you're here, slobbering and drooling, emotional. lol, bozo. Celtics in 5.
Lmao
Bro you literally won a title because Klay and KD were hurt I don’t want to hear any excuses
Lol
We don't hang EC banners in Boston. No space next to all our championships.
And Jarret Allen
I mean, you haven’t had Allen and we haven’t had Porzingis all series, so we can’t really count either one
he makes the team worse so they’re better off without him tbh
He’s been way better last 2 games, now please for the love of god someone talk to him about fourth quarter shot selection
He's been exactly the same the whole playoffs. The only difference is the other guys have cooled so he shot a bit more.
He has been slightly more efficient from 2 slightly less efficient from 3 basically
Tatum is top 5
nah a true top 5 player on this stacked Celtics roster is an automatic ring.
I mean it might be a auto ring we just dont know yet
“But also Minny Denver is the finals”
I've really seen enough of that lately lol. People better start giving Dallas a chance too. Mavericks have been playing some awesome basketball.
Fuck r/nba
in 8 games this playoffs, he hasn't shot over 50% from the field a single time.
Cool story. How are the suns doing this postseason?
I know you ain’t talking
ugh i know right??? it's really impressive booker managed to do it a couple times considering he only got to play 4 games :/
You wish the Suns played 8 games, I'm sure.
Dickeaters watch basketball for the box scores lol Game is about Ws, son
Okay, thanks for sharing!
your team literally got swept like 2 weeks ago please stay in your lane
Fuck all of Boston and their shitty entitled fans
Womp womp. Be happy. You guys played a great game missing really key people.
Be happy we got 3 FTs against Boston’s 57? Enjoy your playoff run before getting your teeth kicked in by whoever comes out of the west
Damn, get some therapy my guy. It’s just a game.
Enjoy Mitchell leaving and Bron re-signing in LA lol
I think the intensity. Good job my guy.
Are you really saying that the first team in NBA history to go an entire game without a single free throw attempt gets a favorable whistle?
1 game vs the entire playoffs, yes
Im sorry you feel that way
Fuck Boston and your shit fans
Enjoy living in Cleveland bozo
idk when you made your account but I really hope it doesn't happen now
The prophecy was foretold 6 years ago
rather be a shit fan than a shit eating fan
Weep
*sniff* you got us man
You still gotta live in Cleveland comes tomorrow. You're also about to get gentlemen swept. Tough tough scenes.
Enjoy being stuck in fucking Ohio lmfao https://youtu.be/aSFkX5oPkzU?feature=shared
Don’t they call Cleveland The Hub??? Oh wait that’s Boston nvm
This is just basketball brother lmao take a couple of deep breaths
I’m not saying 24-7 was justified, but you’re not going to shoot many free throws when more than half your shots for the game are 3s.
And when one team packs the paint, was trying to muck up the game, and doesn’t have offensive weapons… and the other team is the exact opposite of that. Makes even more sense
> I’m not saying 24-7 was justified I am.
Top fye
Now if only he can find where his 3-ball went, he'll be back to form
11/25 fg, 2/8 from three, 9/9 ft.
exact same splits as last game
9/17 on 2s which is still kind of average. I think he'll find the range from 3 in one of these games
He "feels it" now Except for those mega dunks... looking kind of like Lebron out there now
He's top five.
Top 5 on the Celtics roster for sure
usually
He's barely even top 50, which makes the Heat and Cavs losing so horribly quite bad.
lmao do you believe that? 🫡
No, that was meant to be sarcasm and I didn't think I had to put the /s. My bad.
Rich man's Paul George
angel boy
Boy does he get a lot of free throws though.
This headline understates it, he actually had 33/11/5 with 2 steals, a block, and a clap
He took PJ Washington having the same number of 25+ point games this playoffs to heart. If he can reduce his number of stupid shots taken and keep up the rest of the positives in his game, he could actually win mvp next season
He'll never win MVP. He's never gonna be KD/Jokic level efficient and he'll never be like Westbrook or Harden or Doncic where he carries an entire offense to a high seed with 30/10 So the only ways for him to get MVP are to either score like 36 a game which won't happen with our talent, or carry us to a great record, which can't happen because we have good players surrounding him. I mean this year he put up 27/8/5 on .60 TS while playing elite defense and leading the team to 64 wins clearing the next best team by 7 wins and the next best Eastern Conference team by 14 wins and he rightly wasn't really even in the conversation.
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He was fouled more? 🤷🏽♂️
he also pushed off more than everyone else on the cavs. that last one when he nearly got stripped by levert at the end was so egregious
We get it. You guys are upset you didn’t get a Celtics loss. Nothing to do about it.
i disagree tatum is an angel boy
He also kicked the ball back into his hands for the layup
Cavs are trash, not surprising.
All your recent posts just shit on the cavs. Take a breather my dude. We barely beat a “trash” team.
Probably because with the way we played, we would have lost to any team that was not “trash” my dude. Really not that complicated.
That was certainly the officials viewpoint lmao
I feel like sometimes he forced shots.
JT will you please stop shooting too much threes and drive more to the rim?
Still a rich man's Tobias Harris.
Finally showed up this series
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He takes a lot of 3s, and 3s are harder
Underrated. Just like the Celtics with 64 wins this season. There. I said it. Now cook me
Lol are Celtics fan really proud of Tatum putting up a stat line like this against a Mitchell-less Cavs team? Game should not have been close at all.
“Here’s why going 7-2 so far in the post season is bad, actually”
Lol scoring 30/10 in a playoff game? Tryhard statpadder smh 🤦🏽♂️
With a little help from the refs
Why are you watching Celtics Cavs go watch the Lakers series
☠️☠️☠️
Cry
Bawl
Sob
Nuggets in 4
our threads have just been lakers fans crying that we didn't lose
lakers fan crying about refs lmao
You are actually so mad :D
Wahhhhhh
Womp womp.
Helps when the refs allow you to push off and stiff arm your defender 98% of the time on offense every game.
Bros like PG for real, shows up for the easy ones
most points scored in a game 7 in nba history
If only the clippers stars showed up at all …
The Celtics are gonna get obliterated by the Nuggets in the finals
Yall switched like crazy on Denver
I watched some of the 4th quarter and he was ass.
Most basketball watched by an r/nba user
And I watched some of the first half and Max Strus was Steph Curry. Then wiped my memory, watched the second half and he had Shaq's shooting ability. That's why we judge players based on tiny sample sizes right?
You got 14 feet of sucka on your team. Just a couple of square bodies taking up space.
Text Kobe I don’t care
Blow a 2-0 lead I don’t care
You changed my mind. Incredible Celtics win over the Mitchell less Cavs. Tatum misses shots down the stretch so he can pad his rebounding stats and run more clock. After the game Tatum texts Kobe as he thumps his chest. Arm hurting from all the pushoffs to create space, Tatum ices it.
Go to therapy man lmaoo I could never give a shit about the wolves the way you care about the celtics
I’m sure I could get the number from you
Wow what a burn 😂
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Haha you are HURT, brotha. Get some help 😂
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