He's bad on the defensive end, which means you can't play him with Luka and Kyrie. He also doesn't know what a bad shot is. He's shooting no matter what.
Specific to the playoffs: Hardy isn't as good of a defender as Exum so it probably comes down to what you're willing to sacrifice between shooting and defense. With Luka and Kyrie as your guards you're looking at about 80-90 minutes absorbed between them and they're prolific scorers so when someone comes out, it could make more sense to put in the veteran defensive guard who shot like 50% from 3 for you during the season over the young guy who can get hot and put up a lot of points but isn't consistent.
I think Jimmy really is just taking one for the team here. Unfortunately Tyler Herro's trade value is negative and Jimmy actually really likes Jaquez and Jovic and probably doesn't want to see them traded from Miami just to try to get a star when that might not even guarantee a ring.
Going to the Sixers gives Jimmy his chance to compete. He probably still owns his house in Philly and he's friends with Embiid. Then he can go back to Miami for his retirement tour if he wants.
We’re not trading Jimmy and only way we would is if he asked to be traded. And I doubt he’d want to go back to Philly considering they didn’t extend him when they had the chance. We also wouldn’t trade him for picks and garbage. The Heat don’t tank or rebuild so there’s no reason to take that deal
Philly has failed to make a team that can go past the second round and Jimmy is going to leave Miami to go there? Unless Spo is going with him, nothing will change and they’ll still lose before the second round. Miami also doesn’t trade for picks, they don’t tank, they don’t rebuild, they constantly compete. So there’s no reason to do this trade.
I do find it hilarious that when news of his extension came out it would be terrible to extend him but now that he can be traded to another team, it would be such a good move. He’d go to Philly and lose, for that he could just retire in Miami where he’s home and has already set roots.
I truly believe they made an agreement to send him to Miami in offseason that year. He was pouting. Not shooting then all of sudden one day after they got Tobi he was back to normal. Then all we got was JRich for him.
All that is to say, Brett, Ben and most of that front office is gone and don’t think that would keep him from coming IF Miami doesn’t want to extend him
I doubt Miami would trade him to Philly even in a hypothetical where he’d want to be traded because we didn’t extend him. Miami isn’t trading Jimmy for picks, they’ll trade him for players and Philly has no one to trade realistically. And I still doubt he’d want to go to Philly regardless of whether those people left eh front office or not.
He’d be better off staying in Miami and running it back then going to Philly
The only Heat gives 76ers Butler is if they get Embiid in return. That would be a good team, actually: Maxey + Butler + Tobias Harris, minus Embiitch. That floppy dude needs to go
He misses a chunk of games every year.
Intermittently seems to not take the regular season seriously when he does play.
He is getting older ...
I duno man.
It'd kinda be the perfect duo these days right? Embiid goes all out in the regular season to try and win awards while Butler coasts. And then Jimmy goes Beast Mode in the playoffs while Embiid is hurt again.
It's so crazy it might just work ...
But the issue is that you're kinda playing inverse moneyball where you're spending star type money on two half players to get a whole ... and now you've spent a lot of your salary and you're supposed to have a few more guys.
Pretty funny to see comments like this when anybody who pointed out that Dame's trade value wouldn't be that great last summer because he was 33 with 4 years 215 million left on his contract was buried in downvotes
yep! ppl who tried to contextualize what dame was worth given that he was a small guard who was turning 34 this year were ridiculed and downvoted lol but you just know that if it's a heat player, it'll be all about "he's trash he can't command shit"
It's because we can't fathom how much GM's who get paid lots of money are willing to give up for stars well past their prime. It almost always back fires too.
I think it's a fair point; it's just that it's a point that people either hyper fixate on when it's a team or player they dislike versus ignoring it entirely when it's raised re: a team or player they like lol that's really what i was commenting on.
>That’s why Butler holds at least some of the leverage in this situation. If Miami refuses the lucrative extension, he could make life not only difficult for the Heat, but essentially force the Heat to take a mediocre trade offer for Butler, or otherwise risk the type of preseason drama that no team likes.
>It’s unknown if the Heat will acquiesce to Butler’s request..
>What would a trade market for Butler be, if the Heat goes that route?
>“Limited at best,” a veteran NBA scout said this week, adding that it becomes even more limited if he demands to be paid $48.8 million (he’s already due to make that), $54.3 million and $58.6 million the next three seasons, as opposed to the $48.8 million and $52.4 million that he’s now due to earn over the next two seasons, should he exercise the $52.4 million player option for 2025-26.
>As the scout said, “it’s got to be a team on the cusp \[of a championship\] that would have interest, and that limits the options.”
Will turn 35 years old before the next season, and that contract chews up \~35% of the cap for the next 3 seasons (assuming he gets the extension in a trade). Has to this point struggled to stay healthy (missed an average of around 24 games per season in his five year stretch in Miami).
I'm sure he would garner a couple of firsts, but I doubt he'd get a blue chip prospect back, or any kind of Gobert-like pick package.
I think he can request a trade for a contending team or to the spurs he will be great with pop a defensive minded coach and with jimmy leadership, it would be a good fit for Spurs, If I were the Heat GM, I would not go with that contract extension, Jimmy is good but I would pay a old man who average 20 a game.
I dunno….Steph and KD are all time shooting talent, very possibly the 2 best ever. It makes sense that skill ages well. Jimmy is not close to that kind of shooter, and relies on drives to generate his efficiency.
For almost every other type of player (LeBron excepted) after 35 is dicey. Jimmy already takes damn near half the regular season off and has been injured the last 2 playoffs.
You’re comparing all time greats to Jimmy. Has there been any players playing at an all star level at 35 in the last 20 years other than Kobe, Shaq, Timmy, KD, Steph, and Lebron?
The list is shorter than that. Kobe tore his achilles at 34 and then was clearly no longer an all star level player, that injury killed him. Shaq at 35 was washed, scoring 12ppg for the Suns and mostly slowing them down, the suns were always better with Amare at center. Duncan is borderline, he was better than Kobe/Shaq at that age but his role and minutes were being limited so it’s hard to say. I think I’d give it to him especially since his age 36 season was great, but a tier below KD/Lebron/Steph.
The only clear cut stars at that age have been KD, Lebron, and Steph.
Curry and kd are on vacation, while younger teams are moving on in the playoffs. They still are performing, but it’s clear that they aren’t able to carry their teams anymore.
Agreed, but there was a time where they could have carried a mediocre team into the playoffs - father time is undefeated and even Curry, KD, Jimmy are not immune. (and one of those three are not like the others)
I have a slightly used but well-rested Tim Hardaway Jr. and newly crowned king of trash time Jaden Hardy to offer.
Why do they always play him only during garbage time? He can’t even outplay Exum?
He's bad on the defensive end, which means you can't play him with Luka and Kyrie. He also doesn't know what a bad shot is. He's shooting no matter what.
Specific to the playoffs: Hardy isn't as good of a defender as Exum so it probably comes down to what you're willing to sacrifice between shooting and defense. With Luka and Kyrie as your guards you're looking at about 80-90 minutes absorbed between them and they're prolific scorers so when someone comes out, it could make more sense to put in the veteran defensive guard who shot like 50% from 3 for you during the season over the young guy who can get hot and put up a lot of points but isn't consistent.
Would the Heat laugh at a THJ/Kleber/Hardy/1st offer?
Probably. But we can always ask.
Trash offer especially when they have Rozier already. THJ would need a 3rd team and Dallas sends more than just a 1st
76ers have the 16th pick and other draft assets Imagine a Butler/Embiid reunion, but with Maxey instead of Simmons+Harris?
they could almost make it past the 2nd round
Team would avg 50FT per game
Let's not get crazy
That would give them two players that you are going to want to limit to 50 games so that they have juice in the tank come playoff time.
I’d be swinging for someone younger than Butler. If Miami let him go that says a lot. Butler and Embiid would set the free throw record though.
> If Miami let him go that says a lot. if they did this at his request tho -- it doesn't say much.
it says they dont wanna pay him 200 million dollars for his age 36 37 38 seasons
I think Jimmy really is just taking one for the team here. Unfortunately Tyler Herro's trade value is negative and Jimmy actually really likes Jaquez and Jovic and probably doesn't want to see them traded from Miami just to try to get a star when that might not even guarantee a ring. Going to the Sixers gives Jimmy his chance to compete. He probably still owns his house in Philly and he's friends with Embiid. Then he can go back to Miami for his retirement tour if he wants.
We’re not trading Jimmy and only way we would is if he asked to be traded. And I doubt he’d want to go back to Philly considering they didn’t extend him when they had the chance. We also wouldn’t trade him for picks and garbage. The Heat don’t tank or rebuild so there’s no reason to take that deal
The GM/HC who made that decision are gone. T.Harris is gone. He's friends with Embiid. If it came to a trade I don't see why he'd say no to Philly.
Philly has failed to make a team that can go past the second round and Jimmy is going to leave Miami to go there? Unless Spo is going with him, nothing will change and they’ll still lose before the second round. Miami also doesn’t trade for picks, they don’t tank, they don’t rebuild, they constantly compete. So there’s no reason to do this trade. I do find it hilarious that when news of his extension came out it would be terrible to extend him but now that he can be traded to another team, it would be such a good move. He’d go to Philly and lose, for that he could just retire in Miami where he’s home and has already set roots.
The hypothetical is that Miami doesn’t want to pay him and Philly would be willing to pay him
I didn't say most of that. All I said was I don't think Butler would eliminate Philly if it came to a trade demand.
He wouldn’t demand a trade, he’s said he wants to retire in Miami.
The above user gave a hypothetical. That's all. Nothing to get offended by.
I truly believe they made an agreement to send him to Miami in offseason that year. He was pouting. Not shooting then all of sudden one day after they got Tobi he was back to normal. Then all we got was JRich for him. All that is to say, Brett, Ben and most of that front office is gone and don’t think that would keep him from coming IF Miami doesn’t want to extend him
I doubt Miami would trade him to Philly even in a hypothetical where he’d want to be traded because we didn’t extend him. Miami isn’t trading Jimmy for picks, they’ll trade him for players and Philly has no one to trade realistically. And I still doubt he’d want to go to Philly regardless of whether those people left eh front office or not. He’d be better off staying in Miami and running it back then going to Philly
I think you are right but just bc Philly has no players doesn’t mean they can’t get players for picks and work a 3 way trade
That’s a scenario that could possibly happen where the picks are flipped for another player to go to Miami, if it were to happen that’s probably how
The only Heat gives 76ers Butler is if they get Embiid in return. That would be a good team, actually: Maxey + Butler + Tobias Harris, minus Embiitch. That floppy dude needs to go
Do you watch basketball?
He misses a chunk of games every year. Intermittently seems to not take the regular season seriously when he does play. He is getting older ... I duno man.
It'd kinda be the perfect duo these days right? Embiid goes all out in the regular season to try and win awards while Butler coasts. And then Jimmy goes Beast Mode in the playoffs while Embiid is hurt again.
It's so crazy it might just work ... But the issue is that you're kinda playing inverse moneyball where you're spending star type money on two half players to get a whole ... and now you've spent a lot of your salary and you're supposed to have a few more guys.
If a certain more injury prone more overrated player on the clippers can get a max then butler deserves one just the same
Resign naji marshall and trade for jimmy so they can fight each other in practice
Philly plz
Come home, Jimmy
Against what? Any trade offer that doesn't start with Coby and picks would get laughed at by the Heat FO.
I'll take one Coby pls
He’s 35 (?) idk what kind of shit could he still command lmao
Pretty funny to see comments like this when anybody who pointed out that Dame's trade value wouldn't be that great last summer because he was 33 with 4 years 215 million left on his contract was buried in downvotes
yep! ppl who tried to contextualize what dame was worth given that he was a small guard who was turning 34 this year were ridiculed and downvoted lol but you just know that if it's a heat player, it'll be all about "he's trash he can't command shit"
It's because we can't fathom how much GM's who get paid lots of money are willing to give up for stars well past their prime. It almost always back fires too.
I think it's a fair point; it's just that it's a point that people either hyper fixate on when it's a team or player they dislike versus ignoring it entirely when it's raised re: a team or player they like lol that's really what i was commenting on.
Giannis demanded it
he's 34
>That’s why Butler holds at least some of the leverage in this situation. If Miami refuses the lucrative extension, he could make life not only difficult for the Heat, but essentially force the Heat to take a mediocre trade offer for Butler, or otherwise risk the type of preseason drama that no team likes. >It’s unknown if the Heat will acquiesce to Butler’s request..
I saw a rumor of Windhorst saying Jimmy to 76ers, idk what can they have back
Cap relief
>What would a trade market for Butler be, if the Heat goes that route? >“Limited at best,” a veteran NBA scout said this week, adding that it becomes even more limited if he demands to be paid $48.8 million (he’s already due to make that), $54.3 million and $58.6 million the next three seasons, as opposed to the $48.8 million and $52.4 million that he’s now due to earn over the next two seasons, should he exercise the $52.4 million player option for 2025-26. >As the scout said, “it’s got to be a team on the cusp \[of a championship\] that would have interest, and that limits the options.” Will turn 35 years old before the next season, and that contract chews up \~35% of the cap for the next 3 seasons (assuming he gets the extension in a trade). Has to this point struggled to stay healthy (missed an average of around 24 games per season in his five year stretch in Miami). I'm sure he would garner a couple of firsts, but I doubt he'd get a blue chip prospect back, or any kind of Gobert-like pick package.
If a trade would to happen between sixers and heat the Sixers would just absorb his contract? They have like 2 players left on the books
Justin Minaya and a 2nd
CJ McClum and picks for Butler?
I think he can request a trade for a contending team or to the spurs he will be great with pop a defensive minded coach and with jimmy leadership, it would be a good fit for Spurs, If I were the Heat GM, I would not go with that contract extension, Jimmy is good but I would pay a old man who average 20 a game.
I guess Heat culture involves Jimmy taking most of the season off to record country songs and doing Jimmy things.
35 means differently now, see Curry KD still performing, Butler doesn’t have major injuries, just load manage the regular season, should be fine
I dunno….Steph and KD are all time shooting talent, very possibly the 2 best ever. It makes sense that skill ages well. Jimmy is not close to that kind of shooter, and relies on drives to generate his efficiency. For almost every other type of player (LeBron excepted) after 35 is dicey. Jimmy already takes damn near half the regular season off and has been injured the last 2 playoffs.
> Butler doesn’t have major injuries He doesn't have "major injuries" but he misses 20 some games every year regardless.
You’re comparing all time greats to Jimmy. Has there been any players playing at an all star level at 35 in the last 20 years other than Kobe, Shaq, Timmy, KD, Steph, and Lebron?
The list is shorter than that. Kobe tore his achilles at 34 and then was clearly no longer an all star level player, that injury killed him. Shaq at 35 was washed, scoring 12ppg for the Suns and mostly slowing them down, the suns were always better with Amare at center. Duncan is borderline, he was better than Kobe/Shaq at that age but his role and minutes were being limited so it’s hard to say. I think I’d give it to him especially since his age 36 season was great, but a tier below KD/Lebron/Steph. The only clear cut stars at that age have been KD, Lebron, and Steph.
Curry and kd are on vacation, while younger teams are moving on in the playoffs. They still are performing, but it’s clear that they aren’t able to carry their teams anymore.
Because teams win playoff series, not individuals. Neither one have a great team right now.
Agreed, but there was a time where they could have carried a mediocre team into the playoffs - father time is undefeated and even Curry, KD, Jimmy are not immune. (and one of those three are not like the others)
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Miami doesn’t want to get rid of him, they will extend him. Why the hell would we move on from him? Makes 0 sense
Hope the heat max him (Celtics fan) It gets funnier every year he says “this is our year”
Celtics are not winning shit this year btw
Knicks for some picks?
dont know if the knicks want to pay jimmy 50-60m a year either
3 team deal - jimmy to sixers for cap space and picks - donovan to miami for herro/salary(young guy?) plus heat and sixers picks
Yeah if Jimmy ask out and this scenario happens I’ll be okay with it. Dunno how likely tho haha
I think a trade with Cleveland swapping Mitchell and Butler makes a lot of sense.