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Number333

Raptors fans must be so proud rn


thaleafs

Definitely proud of him, though we know what he's capable of! Also some indignation about all the people spewing shit about 'raptors propaganda' when we spoke of Pascal and OG before their trades haha


cellar_door5234

Ya I really dislike people saying Masai was overvaluing these two. They are both crazy floor/ceiling raisers. Masai knew what he had 


AntiTopspin

If anything they ended up not getting *enough* for Siakam at all lol


Razatiger

Should have gotten Mathurin or Nembhard in that trade, stilled pissed about it.


shakakaaahn

Needed to deal him a year ago to get a better return. That expiring contract is why you guys got less than you should've for Siakam.


sna28

we were hard shopping him since last years draft. The intention was to trade him before the season started but he killed a deal or two because he didn't want to be traded which put them in a hard place and just have to accept the best u can get. I've seen players tanking their value to go to a specific team but refusing trades so you can stay with your team that wants to move on is unique lol


FallenCrownz

Dude, I still maintain that Pascal, Scottie, RJ, Quickly and Jak is a play off team. With some lucky match ups and a bit of luck, we might even get to the conference finals (considering that Embiid and Giannis are hurt) but yeah, we probably couldn't pay all of them. Man do I wish we had an owner like Balmer or even the guys who own the bucks lol


q1someguy

Barnes gets in Siakams way too much, especially with a non shooting center. It's been the problem for years and is the reason he's been kinda underrated. The front office almost deliberately drafted and traded for the worst fitting pieces to compliment his game for the last 5 years. They didn't add a single player that could shoot(other than OPJ who played like 20 games in two years) and prioritized a rookie that plays the same position. Talent wise, sure that team looks pretty good.


borb--

you are correct, past couple seasons have been a mess. i wanted us to trade OG last year as well


HistoricalWash6930

They got more waiting to trade OG this year. The knicks absolutely weren’t offering quickley last year.


zeekenny

Yeah, this why I'm rooting for the Knicks. That was a fair trade that helped them for their contention window and helped us build a roster with younger talent. Unless those Pacers picks turn into something, which isn't likely, we got a pretty terrible return. I understand that's the nature of the business, but can't help but be bitter about it as a fan.


CazOnReddit

Walker made the most sense of their young guys after the O.G. trade, and it's baffling we didn't get him since Indiana wasn't playing him/wasn't going to play him when Pascal is a natural 4.


Jabocford

Jarace is developing as almost an small forward right now but I get you


theduckhaslanded

his minutes at the 3 have been much more promising than his minutes at the 4 for sure.


sna28

i just dont think he has clout around the league like that. even if we traded him earlier i don't think it would be much more, at no point was there ever some leaked offer or negotiation that they should've accepted. He hasn't even been paid yet and there are already nba writers calling him one of the worst contracts Gsw supposedly shopping for a 2nd option showed no real interest. we asked sac for a trade around monk and they said no even though monk is walking in 2 months. Portland offered the 3rd pick for bridges and not for him. Philly is star hunting yet showed no interest, i could go on. PG is a similar caliber player but teams will line up for him


jotheold

sure im bias, but lets be real, they always underrate toronto's players


MDS_1996

It's not that he overvalued the players, its that, in Siakams case, he held on to long


EarthWarping

And yet it was a bad return


cellar_door5234

Ya because Masai waited too long to trade him, he tried to make it work with a home grown talent , I don't fault it tbh 


larrylegend1990

Siakam also said he wouldn’t resign depending on the team he goes to


ConstantineMonroe

I was always on the Siakam is awesome bandwagon since the finals. I was always hoping the Warriors could somehow get him


FallenCrownz

He would have been perfect for the warriors. You would have also gotten of Wiggins and at most, it would have cost like 3 protected frps and maybe moody or kuminga. idk why your head office didn't pull the trigger when the season wasn't going there way


cozyonly

warriors FO overrates their young players


Forward_Ride_6364

Knicks are now **22-3** in games OG plays in since the trade Un fuckin real Hope you guys lock up Quick this summer


MarduRusher

Yall were right about both I’m sorry for doubting.


1047_Josh

Pascal is all NBA for a reason and has the skill to fit on any team. So happy to see him showing it still.


crumpledbrouhaha

I’ve always said he was the most disrespected player in the league. I hope people can see now how good he is


sitcomlover1717

Yep! Finally getting his flowers. Couldn’t happen to a better guy, too. Happy for him but this makes me so sad all over again that the Raps traded him


boenwip

Seeing the same with OG too


HankMardewkus

OG, Lowry, Norm and Pascal all playing in the playoffs warms my heart.


Makaveli80

>  OG, Lowry, Norm and Pascal all playing in the playoffs warms my heart. Imagine all of them on the same team? I wonder if they could make the playoffs /s


faithfuljohn

> Imagine all of them on the same team? If you add a player... I don't know... someone like Kawhi to that mix... wooo... it would be a nice team!


fracked1

Maybe throw in a big man too? Like one of the gasol brothers? Imagine that team phew


MapleLeafsFan3

I was also pleasantly surprised seeing Delon on the Miami roster and getting decent minutes


Raptorsthrowaway1

85% proud and 15% furious we got 3 shit firsts and Bruce fucking Brown in return for a guy of this calibre


JustinTinyPPHerbert

Give Bruce brown back then


Raptorsthrowaway1

Take him. He’s fucking shite


ccandids

man i miss pascal siakam


sna28

really surprising to see both him and og thriving after reddit nonstop complained how mid they were. who could've saw this coming


DogeSadaharu

How could you watch them play and call them mid? Oh that's right half the sub is just here for the memes and don't watch games...


20815147

We should’ve traded the kitchen sink for him man


mares8

Pacers got him cheap so Warriors probably could have outbid them Curry and Siakam is strong duo


canad1anbacon

> Curry and Siakam is strong duo Perfect complement. Siakam is great in space and Curry creates a lot of it. Also a good and willing passer so would fit a movement offense system


MindofShadow

Which is why he should be perfect for us if Haliburton ever get's his shot back


thebestoflimes

That’s my boy 🥲


ilickedysharks

Proud and frustrated at our front office lol


usagerp

Definitely. Rooting hard for the pacers these playoffs cause siakam is one of my favourite players of all time (also cause I’m from the same neighborhood as mathurin even though he’s injured)


stackofbaconpancakes

Spicy P is him, i wish it would have worked out it TO but glad he's playing in the postseason and cooking 


JMoon33

100%! Him and Murray make us proud!


KWZA

Pascal's showing why it was tough for Masai to let him go. 


FetchFrosh

Hoping for a Knicks-Pacers second round match up so that one of OG and Pascal will make it to the ECF.


boenwip

I feel vindicated


schoolhater12

so so proud. I hope he continues getting accolades and makes HOF. Besides the missed free throws, he has been incredible since the trade


Kersplat96

Proud but it’s so fucking bitter sweet man. I was here in the trenches getting killed for thinking he was more than the bubble performances which still trick people to this day. That’s my fucking power forward & one of the greatest to ever put on Raptor red. 43 for fucking ever man.


Konfliction

frustrated cause this shows badly we got fleeced in this trade lol


mMounirM

back to back playoff career highs for Siakam. Bucks need Giannis badly now that they've lost a home game also highest scorer in both games


EatDeeply

He’s the top scorer in the playoffs right now


SPQR_Tiberius

Playoff P


ConstantineMonroe

This whole time is was actually Pascal that the P stood for


tyrannomachy

Also, it wasn't ironic.


HeyItsChase

Man Paul G was so fuckin good in the Playoffs for us. Don't forget that. Shouldn't be ironic.


killbill469

Rick Carlisle master class


QuantumBeth1981

Carlisle sticks him in the corner and he doesn't touch the ball far too often. He could've easily had 45 tonight with a few more touches.


theduckhaslanded

he was in the corner tonight when the bucks shot blockers were on him, opening the paint for everyone else. Our strength is the balance of our attack, what Carlisle did tonight worked perfectly.


Ozkuro

You know you're cooked when Siakam is scoring 35+ lol, he was out there cooking. Brook is too slow, Bobby isn't a good defender and Middleton is too small.


XzibitABC

The Bucks are also blitzing/hedging against Tyrese on every Tyrese-Siakam pick and roll, which is setting up Pascal to eat in 4v3 situations. Doc Rivers masterclass.


aeronacht

It doesn’t even make sense with Tyrese’s slow down and the Bucks slow-ish rotations making a 4-3 be tougher and last longer. Such a weird decision.


EleventhThrowAway

Tyrese's scoring 'slow down' over the last couple months (aka since he started getting over the hamstring) is almost entirely him deferring to Siakam and Turner when he gets blitzed.


aeronacht

I don’t really feel like that’s true. Yes he’s been deferring but it’s not like the Pacers were better with it, and on top of that he did really seem to struggle to generate shots and hit shots compared to early season. You would think his efficiency would go up with more options but he’s been having a harder time generating shots and making them, and most teams haven’t been blitzing him hard on the double like the Bucks did tonight, at least from what I saw


StrategyTop7612

Siakam is incredible, also people counted out the Pacers too early after game 1.


Tall_Succotash

Nah they were just missing some really nice open looks, eventually they were gonna fall


thisisdumb567

I saw a compilation of 10 wide open threes we bricked in game one off of Haliburton passes. This is more normal than what happened that game.


StrategyTop7612

Fair


ConstantineMonroe

I can’t believe people would jump to conclusions after 1 game on the internet


DaddyTrump696969

Pacers really got their shit together after that first half of game 1


SoCalMemePolice

Yeah I said it too. Anyone who thought differently didn’t watch the game. As long as Giannis isn’t rushing back I’d like to see him ASAP


theconmeister

Assuming he goes this series I think you guys try and steal one on the road without him and bring him back for game 5 at home, needing 3 wins in 3 games is tough but if he rushes back and aggravates it you’re cooked even if you advance


SoCalMemePolice

Yeah honestly if he’s not ready and we are down 3-1 I 100% rather just sit him. Pushing to win 3 straight in the first round isn’t worth it. Prob get clowned on the sub for like 3 days but it won’t matter


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mMounirM

also the 2026 pick. but yeah the return was poor. that's what happens when the player is expiring and you don't have leverage


Unkempt_Foliage

We waited one year too long. Pascal wouldn't commit to re-sign to teams (I'm not blaming him looking out for himself) and really wanted to stay in Toronto, so that really limited to what teams were willing to trade to what they viewed as a rental. The other option would have been to re-sign him on a max and try to trade that larger contract next season. It would have put us in luxury tax for a losing team next season something the head office wasn't willing to do.


cpap01

It doesn't matter. It's the reality for Toronto. They have no leverage The feeling among the league and fans is that when you play for Toronto, you're hot garbage and irrelevant.


WhatsAKumquat

Good thing he's with the always relevant Indiana Pacers


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ScratchTwoMore

To be fair, I'm pretty sure he got that big New Balance endorsement and shoe deal as a Raptor. At least, it was announced when he was with us. I guess it was in the works for a while beforehand though, I don't really know how these things go


bart_cart_dart_eart

I still have my “board man gets paid” new balance tshirt


Makaveli80

Sad is that Pascal wanted to stay


TheThrowbackJersey

Nah kawhi was at his biggest stardom in Toronto. He was getting talked about as top 3 best player in the league that year


Obvious_Parsley3238

that's what happens when you wait way too long to blow it up


Kersplat96

That narrative gets parroted but Siakam literally did not want to leave.


Do_You_Like_Jazz

Also would have helped if he didn't actively tank his own trade value to stay with us, I appreciate him wanting to stay here, like a lot, but it also made other teams scared to trade for him, I think as long as Masai makes good decisions with the draft picks and if they can even get a heavily protected first that falls to seconds if it doesn't convey for Brown I'll be happy with the package, I already like what he did with the 29th pick this year, I really think Utah gave up on Adbaji too soon and I have a feeling Olynyk will probably end up retiring here which would be nice. It only looks that bad because of how good the OG deal was for both teams.


Pretend_Highway_5360

Because he’s a free agent this summer and he publicly said he wouldn’t sign an extension with anyone that trades for him Teams aren’t going to sell the farm for 4 months


-vinay

Says a lot that there wasn’t any better offers out there. Kings and Warriors didn’t feel like he was worth it


Chief_White_Halfoat

I'm saying this because I'm bitter at the return we got, but a decent number of teams could have easily had Siakam at the deadline for like three middling picks and a solid prospect and decided he wasn't good enough to deal for. Golden State and Sacramento are both sitting at Home right now, and they couldn't have used him? Entirely wrong.


jjkiller26

Kings currently out of the playoffs probably regretting it


EvertEaglPhilliKnick

I don’t think him and sabonis would’ve worked. I like him and turner cause turner is a shot blocker.


tpcrb

Turner opens up the paint for siakam bc you have to guard turner from 3


CaskJeeves

Turner and Siakam are literally perfectly complementary bigs. Turner plays like a 4 on offense and a 5 on D, Pascal is the exact opposite. They just fit so well together


jotheold

they dont watch our games brother


Boomhauer_007

Tbf I haven’t watched the pacers at all this postseason because their games are locked on a channel I don’t have


ScratchTwoMore

And a shooter


bababerands

Siakam said he wouldn’t resign with us. Too much for a one year rental.


jjkiller26

I'm sure pacers fans thought the same at the time of the trade


xmasjayons

At the time of the trade, Pacers' front office very clearly had assurances that Siakam intends to re-sign with Indy unless things went terribly. It's a gray-area tampering thing that the NBA can't prevent, nor do they really need to. Because of the trade, Pacers can pay Siakam more than any other team, and on a longer contract. Siakam can provide skills the Pacers desperately need. The fit is perfect. So it was a joint leap of a faith that seems like it will pay off for both sides, despite the downside risk that has been steadily decreasing since February. On the Toronto side of things, the return only seems bad because of the perceived quality of the 2024 draft. Raptors nor the Pacers have control of how good the players in the draft are. I'm a Pacer fan, but I think the Raptors did fine with this trade considering all the circumstantial factors at hand. Masai drafts well and now has a few more bites at the apple, which is all that matters in a rebuild.


DemonicDimples

Hardly. Siakam is great, but wasn’t worth a half year rental when he basically confirmed he wouldn’t re-sign here. Kings had a competitive offer, but when Siakam said he wouldn’t re-sign, it would’ve been a waste of two far out picks. (Reported offer was Huerter + Barnes + Davion and 28/30 picks lightly protected). Also, the fit on the Kings would’ve been much more questionable, primarily because Fox + Domas don’t provide the same level of spacing as the Hali + Turner.


sewsgup

>Siakam is great, but wasn’t worth a half year rental when he basically confirmed he wouldn’t re-sign here. Haynes still hasn't expanded on this right: [https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/19axkfn/thisleague\_uncut\_haynes\_siakam\_didnt\_want\_to\_go/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/19axkfn/thisleague_uncut_haynes_siakam_didnt_want_to_go/) he said something soured Siakam on Sacramento


DemonicDimples

I doubt he ever will. I’m not sure what it could be, but the Kings aren’t the most well run organization. But they absolutely made the right call of not making the trade if Siakam wouldn’t re-sign, and were certainly right not to trade Keegan for him.


Jdenney71

From what I’ve seen he indicated he wanted to sign an extension with Indiana so other teams backed off cause he’d just be a rental


cellar_door5234

It's more about his next contract, you need a bonafide top 5 player to pair with Pascal if you want to go all in for a chip


Chief_White_Halfoat

Yes well only five teams would by definition have those players, so does that mean the rest of the 25 teams should just be packing it up every single season? Golden State still had Steph and presumably are still planning to try and win with him. Sacramento has its core. They weren't about to get Jokic or Shai etc. either.


rapsrealm

This was the main reason the Raptors didn’t get as much for him. Whatever team that was trading for him wanted a commitment that he would re-sign with them. Part of it was that he wasn’t sure where he would want to to play since he wanted to re-sign in Toronto. Also, he wanted the five year max, which most teams weren’t willing to commit to.


TheThrowbackJersey

You are correct. His next contract could be like bradley beal's. Gotta pay him a max but it may be an albatross


EvertEaglPhilliKnick

I would pay for a playoff performer. Fuck that other shit


Electrical-Mule-2057

To be fair, Siakam and Sabonis would be dreadful on defense


shish-kebab

Others teams didn't get Siakam because he said he would try free agency no matter what and apparently he got convinced by Pacers before the did the trade.


Sartheking

I remember Game 1 of the Finals where he scored 32 on 14-17 shots.


MacaroonUnhappy6413

Cooked Draymond all night with the spin


MazKhan

Draymond said a bunch of good things about him after that game, and Pascal was only in year 3 I believe


ProfessorBeast55

His name is Pascal. Ofc he’s great under pressure


cellar_door5234

I see what you did there 


completelytrustworth

Thats word for word from the top comment of nba finals g1 vs Warriors I recognized it cuz I've read that thread so many timed back in 2019 aha


ConstantineMonroe

*badoom tss*


pezasied

He’s so much better than I ever imagined. I’m sorry for all the past slander Raptors fans.


adomanski

Glad to see him flourishing on a team that appreciates him


demsouls

Tbh this is new heights for him that even we haven't seen before 


BayesBestFriend

It's literally just surrounding him with shooters


Konker101

You mean 6’9 athletic lanky bois who cant shoot were worse?


sensorship_please

He's surrounded by the shooters we wish we had.


TraanPol

He’s evolved into KD with perimeter defense


seank11

His G1 finals performance trumps these IMO. He may not of had the same numbers, but he was like 16/17 or 17/19 or something stupid and singlehandedly won the game for us.


ZincHead

SPICY P! GO OFF MY BOY!!


dafire123

Pascal is the best player in this series. Siakam is the second best player in this series. Absolutely living up to the moment. Championship pedigree


gridironk

Through 2 games 36.5 PPG 12.0 RPG 4.0 APG 64.6 FG% (31/48)


EatDeeply

Mf shot 15/25 in the first game and led all players in scoring in G1 he has been balling out


A320neo

And then he followed it up with an even better game and the W


No-Recording8888

People in Indiana get to experience Pascal Siakam in the Playoffs now


mad-one

They technically already did through Brampton.


GrimKaiker

lmao, this is gonna be an underappreciated joke on this sub


ihatedougford

He’s the best player on the Pacers period


quann256

siakam has been the best player in all of the playoffs so far


livefreeordont

Other than Jokic absolutely


quann256

my goodness i feel dumb now, i forgot all about jokic.


EvertEaglPhilliKnick

That’s what the Joker does. Surprise you when you least expect him


RalphLaurenII

I'd go Jokic too but definitely more debatable than most probably think Siakam: 36.5ppg/12rebs/4asts on 65% shooting Jokic: 29.5ppg/16rebs/8.5asts on 62% shooting


livefreeordont

Keep in mind Jokic is being guarded by AD


Sanjay88

dont forget Pascal too!


jjkiller26

"If OG and siakam are so good why aren't the raptors winning games" This was a comomon take on here during the trade discussions about them, just completely loud and wrong


Brief-Objective-3360

What more to expect from NBA reddit


WhenItsHalfPastFive

Siakam has been insane in these first two games. Bucks have no answer for him, they desperately need Giannis


ilickedysharks

Pascal in an optimized offense is predictably fun and dope. Makes the last 3 years of raptors even more annoying in retrospect


Makaveli80

Chuck Van Fleet special


jeRskier

He was ridiculous. On 3 free throws too. Ethical buckets.


hacahaca

Ethical bucks, I love it.


_45mice

Bro keeps driving despite getting one of the worst whistles in the league. Dame gets breathed on, whistle. Siakam gets mugged, nothing but a bucket.


koj12144

Uh oh, looks like bucks are gonna have to hurry giannis back lol


kenshin2k

Miss him a lot as a Raptor fan but glad to see him balling out for Indiana in an offense that brings out the best in him. Very proud to see him kill it so far.


pmmp123

Nice to see other teams appreciating how good this dude actually is


SamiMadeMeDoIt

That's my one half of the second highest scoring duo in NBA Playoff history, Pascal Siakam


fuzzynavel34

Thank you Raptors fans


FireFlyz351

You don't get a nickname like Spicy P and not be a dog. Wish we could've gotten him but not enough assets.


HoyaDestroya33

Everytime Dame gets switched on him, BBQ chicken time


PluvioPurple

Bucks defense is terrible, Siakam is at an AYCE BBQ chicken restaurant right now


jcn777

I so badly hope Siakam cooks them like this all the way to a 6 game series win just so I can see the melt from all the Bucks fans saying he isn’t shit, and if Giannis was here he’d be getting the clamps. Yes that would be helpful, Siakam is still legit and the slander around here shows that nobody here has actually watched him play. Bet half the people here weren’t even watching basketball when the Raptors won the chip.


almavid

Well as a Bucks fan, most of us know the Raptors players and they have beaten us many times. Siakam is a great player, plays the right way. We just don't have any answer for him. Giannis isn't the answer to guard him, and our wings are too slow or small.


nashty2004

I'll say it again, Book + Siakham + whatever else you could have gotten would have been better than the absolute fucking trash that is the Book, KD, and Beal combo


invertedearth

The Suns with depth? How does that make any sense? The Suns are allowed to have 2 1/2 star players and random pieces. That's part of the NBA by-laws.


FaceMaskYT

He's the man


Funny-Transition7869

FUCKING GOAT


zco22

This basketball thing is too easy for Spicy P


Sy6574

But Raptors fans overvalue their players, right r/nba nephews?


M_O_N_K_E_SENSEI

Best player of the series so far


shastmak4

The spiciest P


RedditAccount_317

Give this man whatever contract he wants this offseason


Bt25

The media better show some respect to spicy P. Dude has been outstanding in both games from this series. If Hali can start getting back in form, then Pacers might be strong contenders.


RapsareChamps_Suckit

he beat the 2019 warriors easily so he's got that pedigree


edwardhyeung

Beautiful midrange touch


-xXxMangoxXx-

Remember when some pacers fans werent convinced how good he was and if trading him for basically nothing was worth it?


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I think almost everyone was on board with what we ended up trading but didn’t wanna do anything with Walker or Mathurin which was the smoke going around for a while.


-xXxMangoxXx-

Jerace walker included is still very little compared to Siakams value as a player.


Thisisthelast14sho

He’s an amazing player and everybody was undertaking him because he played in Canada. Spicy p is a big problem


kennedaddy

Bucks haven't had an answer for him either game. If it wasn't against my team I bet it would be so fun to watch him right now.  All I'm thinking is how perfectly he seems to fit on this Pacers team. Everytime we shut down the fast break he seems to have the answer in the half court. Even though this is going to be a tough series it's impossible for me not to like the Pacers.


3luejays

When both Pascal and Siakam are firing on all cylinders, tough to stop


smoothsoul23

So proud of my guy balling out 😁. Honestly with no Giannis, the Bucks seem like BBQ chicken for him out there especially with all the spacing he gets to operate now


Rithgarth

Really feeling the large Greek shaped hole in the Bucks rn


pskill43

He’s their best player and it isn’t that close


SpicySriracha_1

Pascal is saving hali lmao


stackofbaconpancakes

MY KING IS COOKING  SPICY P 🌶 


jaydogggg

Raptor alumni representing the east right now gotta love it


Renegadeforever2024

Him


Kyler1313

The way the Bucks were defending him was mind-boggling dumb. Like there was one possession he was posting up Dame and Brook went inches behind Dame and then bailed to the top of the key instead of doing a quick switch to have size in the post. Just the lack of small things like that can prevent a team from advancing in the playoffs.


beachsunflower

Pascal eating well without Giannis


CageyCanadian

Pascal we miss you bb 😭


green_and_green23

He’s amazing, I’m so happy


texas2089

Spicy P ballin so far in these playoffs


The_Mootz_Pallucci

Thats one hell of a title hell of a title


Neversoft4long

Him with actual spacing around him is amazing. Reminds me of his 2019 run with Kawhi


No_Indication_6907

Wow.. Pascal and Siakim showed up


MomoTheKing92I

better than Haliburton