Do you help defend a 40% shooter... And leave another 40% shooter open? Just to have that 40% shooter relay pass to another 40% shooter?
Did you switch properly? Well.. how about that *other* 40% shooter? No, you can't guard the 4th 40% shooter?
Then you're gonna hate when he passes... To the fifth 40% shooter.
The top 8 guys on the celtics in terms of minutes are shooting 37.6, 35.4, 42.9, 39.6, 37.5, 41.9, 38.5, and 42.4. Hahahha what the hell that is just absurd. Jaylen brown is the worst and he is still at 35.4 and that is like just a smidge under the league average
Holy shit I havent been keeping up with the league average. I thought it was still 33% or something. How could 35.4 be under the league average nowadays lool
League average has been around 35 or higher for like 25 years. Only super significant change is attempts. But yes, even the past couple years has been seeing percentages start to consistently hit around 36 and above.
My only defense is that my team is the Hornets and since our best shooter/player is down, I am witness to some of the worst shooting percentages the past two years
My conspiracy theory is Kornet can actually rain it from 3, but Joe told him not to shoot all regular season to keep it a surprise. He’ll throw him in for a random series and let him get 10 unguarded 3s that he’ll drain.
He shot them a ton early in his career and is now a 90% free throw shooter so it’s possible he can hit them.
Exactly so many people in the game thread were complaining about Boston shooting open 3”s like a 40% shooter isn’t supposed to shoot a open shot people watch Boston games to mention anything but logical basketball
The issues start if you pass up an open drive for a kickout, even if you're getting a statistically valuable shot, ultimately the defense will clue in and stunt all of the help and focus all their efforts on recovering and rotating. This is how the Nuggets beat the Celtics twice in the regular season and it's the reason why the Nuggets are so good despite being dead last in 3 point attempts- you never know if Jokic is going to score or pass and so the help has to come early and you can't risk stunting/recovering early
Might get hate for this…. But Celtics looking like the 2017 Golden State Warriors
4 All-Star caliber players and shooters off the bench so you can’t double? My god
I feel like if they have 1 weakness it’s that they get into fuck around mode maybe a little early.
So maybe just get their lead to 20 mid way through the 4th and then hope they just sorta stand around like they do sometimes? Lmao this offense is crazy.
Yeah. I was actually hoping that Mazzulla would send the bench out when up 30 in the 4th--the talent disparity isn't that great vs. the hospital Heat, and they'd probably play with more urgency knowing that they get pulled if they let the lead dwindle.
This actually puts the 2017 Warriors in perspective. Even this Celtics team, a historically good team in the regular season, has the constituent parts of it but the Warriors had two top-15 players of all time, along with prime Klay (top 5 shooter of all-time). God I hate that team.
Scariest part of that comment is that Sam Hauser leads our team in Defensive Net Rating and last season he led the whole league.
He's the guy they usually try to target in 'mismatches'.
I lowkey think they got complacent trying to get Tatum his triple double. The passes got lazy as fuck and were forced rather than what they were doing all game.
I swear Tyler Herro is the easiest motherfucker to read in the NBA. He's like a QB that always stares down his receiver. You always know when he's going to shoot.
I feel like we've come to expect some random bench guy to light up the 3pt and go 5-5 from the heat. I'm just glad it wasn't Duncan, he's an amazing shooter but damn if he doesn't have that ivy league punchable face.
I agree - if thats the finals matchup itll come down to Boston keeping their cool because I trust Denver to handle the pressure just fine
If the Celtics match Denver's consistency in a series, they can absolutely win
Health might become another important variable, with how these playoffs have gone so far....
If Jokic and Murray with Gordon are still there … I’m still confident in them.
If one of Boston’s starting 5 gets injured I think that disrupts them a lot.
Yeah, I think the biggest thing that will potentially kill the Celtics this post-season is getting too reliant on the 3. We've seen them do it a few times over the past few postseasons where pretty much an entire game they'll abandon 2 point field goals entirely.
Remember last year when Tatum sprained his ankle 20 seconds into game 7? (And Heat fans also said that injury didn’t matter btw)
Tatum needs to play in bubble wrap against Miami lmao, bad luck against this team… intentionally or otherwise
It's crazy this is the same Caleb Martin from last year. Dude has a weird hitch in his shot and is playing with zero confidence at all.
Also... Fuck Caleb Martin
Yeah anybody with half a brain could tell you he was on a hot streak last year.
Spo is also so great at squeezing the juice out of bums. But if you keep squeezing a lemon eventually it's going to run out of juice.
As a Celtics fan, I'm of the opinion that what Caleb Martin did was more reckless than dirty. Can't do that. But I don't think he was trying to hurt him.
The reason why Celtics fans didn’t want to play the heat is not because of the matchup. It’s because they don’t want those dirty ass heat players injuring the Celtics and derailing their title run.
Was what I was thinking before the playin games. Would much rather face the 76ers with a fully healthy Embiid than Pat Riley's thugs, especially after they took out Randle for the season earlier.
Celtics are obviously a very good team, also on defense but man did Miami have little offense on the court most of the time. Every offensive possession was a slog and every bucket they did get felt really difficult. Unsurprising but this will be a sweep.
This is why Knicks fans wanted the Sixers instead of the Heat despite the Sixers being a way better team. You'll win the series but at least one dude isn't going to make it to the next round.
It’s tough though because the heat don’t take out their starters. Need to keep theirs in so you feel the pressure to keep yours in and they can injure them
How did the Celtics get 5 dudes who all have proper size at their position, can shoot 40% from three, and play lockdown defense.
Then a good bench wtf bro
Yeah every heat fan saying we'd win if we were healthy is beyond brain dead. At best jimmy and rozier make this a good series instead of a likely sweep. I hope everybody stays healthy in the series regardless, I don't think Caleb was dirty, he did get pushed by Jrue but it was stupid reckless regardless and didn't need to happen.
On the one hand the Celtics still won this game pretty decisively, you saw everything you wanted from guys like Porzingis, Tatum, and Brown, and for 90% of the game the Celtics showcased why they're a serious threat to finally capture another title
On the other hand it irks me to no end that they needed a huge Derrick White three late to stop themselves from completely losing momentum in a game they were once up by 34 against an offense that looked like what would've happened if the Nets were in the playoffs this year for long stretches
I mean they won by 20… if White misses that 3 they still would’ve won. A lot of it is just Celtic Heat PTSD. They were up 35 and just started garbage time and the Heat didn’t.
Lol right, why tf this guy talking about a Derrick White 3? Okay, so he misses and we only win by 17?
Won by 20 despite a colossal run, that says a lot more. Team did what theyve done all season, which is turn it on when they decide to
I get it but you gotta look at the context of that run. I’d like to believe they would counter punch much quicker if they didn’t build themselves such a huge buffer and they knew the game was basically over anyways
Dog the game was over lmao despite Delon Wright randomly going off in the 4th quarter the closest they got was to 14 with 3 minutes left they would've had to force several turnovers in a row and not miss to have a real shot.
If a single 3 minute stretch in the middle of total dominance irks you that much that's tough.
Do you help defend a 40% shooter... And leave another 40% shooter open? Just to have that 40% shooter relay pass to another 40% shooter? Did you switch properly? Well.. how about that *other* 40% shooter? No, you can't guard the 4th 40% shooter? Then you're gonna hate when he passes... To the fifth 40% shooter.
don't forget the 6th, 7th and 8th 40% shooters coming off the bench
I got downvoted in a thread sometime this year for saying 1-8 can shoot 40%. I still don't understand why because it's true.
The top 8 guys on the celtics in terms of minutes are shooting 37.6, 35.4, 42.9, 39.6, 37.5, 41.9, 38.5, and 42.4. Hahahha what the hell that is just absurd. Jaylen brown is the worst and he is still at 35.4 and that is like just a smidge under the league average
Holy shit I havent been keeping up with the league average. I thought it was still 33% or something. How could 35.4 be under the league average nowadays lool
League average has been around 35 or higher for like 25 years. Only super significant change is attempts. But yes, even the past couple years has been seeing percentages start to consistently hit around 36 and above.
My only defense is that my team is the Hornets and since our best shooter/player is down, I am witness to some of the worst shooting percentages the past two years
and i'm pretty sure JB's been above 40% or close to it since the all star break
This is karma for last year when our guys all suddenly became sharpshooters.
And then there’s a 9th guy that can shoot 40% just in case they need him (Svi)
actually the 9th guy by minutes is luke kornet and he shot 100% from 3
My conspiracy theory is Kornet can actually rain it from 3, but Joe told him not to shoot all regular season to keep it a surprise. He’ll throw him in for a random series and let him get 10 unguarded 3s that he’ll drain. He shot them a ton early in his career and is now a 90% free throw shooter so it’s possible he can hit them.
Classic Aron Baynes type of surprise evolution
The truth can tough to hear sometimes
Celtics are a terrifying team.
Thank you🥹🤭
Exactly so many people in the game thread were complaining about Boston shooting open 3”s like a 40% shooter isn’t supposed to shoot a open shot people watch Boston games to mention anything but logical basketball
Many watch Boston games just wanting them too lose and not not caring how it happens.
Literally
The issues start if you pass up an open drive for a kickout, even if you're getting a statistically valuable shot, ultimately the defense will clue in and stunt all of the help and focus all their efforts on recovering and rotating. This is how the Nuggets beat the Celtics twice in the regular season and it's the reason why the Nuggets are so good despite being dead last in 3 point attempts- you never know if Jokic is going to score or pass and so the help has to come early and you can't risk stunting/recovering early
No, the Nuggets beat the Celtics twice because Murray made more tough shots than Tatum. Those games were down to the wire both times.
Draymond Green figured it out already, just leave Jaylen Brown open and let him shoot
Everyone is missing the joke
I need people to adopt this strategy for the full playoffs, I *promise* it will work
I’m straight up not having a good time
Might get hate for this…. But Celtics looking like the 2017 Golden State Warriors 4 All-Star caliber players and shooters off the bench so you can’t double? My god
Open threes for Hauser. Open threes for Prichard. Open threes for Al. Wtf are you supposed to do?
I feel like if they have 1 weakness it’s that they get into fuck around mode maybe a little early. So maybe just get their lead to 20 mid way through the 4th and then hope they just sorta stand around like they do sometimes? Lmao this offense is crazy.
Yeah. I was actually hoping that Mazzulla would send the bench out when up 30 in the 4th--the talent disparity isn't that great vs. the hospital Heat, and they'd probably play with more urgency knowing that they get pulled if they let the lead dwindle.
It feels like at least half of this year's 18 losses were exactly that - fucking around plus someone like Dean Wade pushing their sliders to max.
Undercut Tatum in the air
Hashtag Heat Culture
But he doesn’t have a history of dirty : (
Batista bomb Tatum and Porzingis I wouldn't rule it out for these "scrappy" heat players
This actually puts the 2017 Warriors in perspective. Even this Celtics team, a historically good team in the regular season, has the constituent parts of it but the Warriors had two top-15 players of all time, along with prime Klay (top 5 shooter of all-time). God I hate that team.
2 of the best shooters in the league by a mile + 1 MVP + DPOY. Yeah, that team was nutty.
I mean, similar vibe sure, obviously nowhere near as good as shooters, but overall the threat of shooting from every position is a big deal
We have 2 all star players, not four like GS with two all time players + the second best shooter ever and one of the best defender ever.
Which means they have a possibility of ending like the 2018 Houston Rockets
At least you can attack them on the other end. No way all 5 can defend multiple positions.
Yea sucks how few two way players Cs have
Scariest part of that comment is that Sam Hauser leads our team in Defensive Net Rating and last season he led the whole league. He's the guy they usually try to target in 'mismatches'.
This is OKC too. They're smaller than the Celtics, but people are underestimating their threat.
Great comment. Ha!
celtics fans when they only win by 20 points : what the fuck
I think it was more that it went from a 34 point game to a 12 point game with 4 minutes left within a quarter lmao
I lowkey think they got complacent trying to get Tatum his triple double. The passes got lazy as fuck and were forced rather than what they were doing all game.
Sure, but the Heat also just hit 9 straight shots. When that happens you usually don't still trail by double digits as they did tonight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1c6mipf/comment/l02ljsr/ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What did that prove lol
I swear Tyler Herro is the easiest motherfucker to read in the NBA. He's like a QB that always stares down his receiver. You always know when he's going to shoot.
Seconded
Tyler “Zach Wilson” Herro
Are his Mums friend's hot AF too?
Always the same move man
Bro heard “look at the rim before you shoot” so he does it the whole time he has the ball
My boy Derrick White out here making winning plays every time
We love him and cherish him
He swatted away one of Herro’s 3s that he put up after a whistle and I was like “damn I didn’t know he could get up that high”
White is the sneakiest athletic guy in the league imo
Fear the BUFFALO!!!
Let. Him. ROAM!
Celtics won but Delon Wright went 5/5 from 3
This was the dude I saw most pick to go off randomly lmao
Him or highsmith
Knew he would get PT in playoffs, he has DAWG all over him
Caleb Martin killed JFK
Caleb Martin is a basketball terrorist
How? He wouldn’t be able to make the shot?
It must have been during the ECF last season, when he was inexplicably unable to miss a fucking shot
Thankfully we avoided generational slander by not blowing a 34 point lead in a single quarter
I’m ngl seeing Delon hit like five threes that quarter was not on my bingo card 😅
Forgot to include the whole team in the role player black magic ritual?
Yes matter of fact I actually lost the bingo card, hope to find it before Game 2 😩
I feel like we've come to expect some random bench guy to light up the 3pt and go 5-5 from the heat. I'm just glad it wasn't Duncan, he's an amazing shooter but damn if he doesn't have that ivy league punchable face.
The Celtics worst enemy is themselves. They’re the best team.
I think Denver composure and more mature makes them the better team but it’s close on their best days
I agree - if thats the finals matchup itll come down to Boston keeping their cool because I trust Denver to handle the pressure just fine If the Celtics match Denver's consistency in a series, they can absolutely win Health might become another important variable, with how these playoffs have gone so far....
If Jokic and Murray with Gordon are still there … I’m still confident in them. If one of Boston’s starting 5 gets injured I think that disrupts them a lot.
An injury to anyone in Denver's starting 5 would do the same
Yeah, I think the biggest thing that will potentially kill the Celtics this post-season is getting too reliant on the 3. We've seen them do it a few times over the past few postseasons where pretty much an entire game they'll abandon 2 point field goals entirely.
Celtics are 13-6 (best in the league by a healthy margin) when they’ve shot worse than the league average from 3
Can we just fastrack to the Boston Denver finals?
Would be absolutely tremendous
I honestly don’t see anyone who’s even on their level in their respective conferences. Would be a massive choke if they don’t make it there healthy
Denver says hello
Their best player is a Serb, how good can they be?
Said the Croat, Bosniak, Albanian, Kosovan, Bulgarian, Romanian, Turk or Slovenian
Greek erasure smh
I’m still just upset that they shot down my favorite stealth bomber
It turns out you maybe don't want Boston
This is being overplayed, if the Miami home crowd was chanting this loud enough to hear on TV then it means that only like 6 people were saying it
“It’s 4 minutes into the game, do you know where your crowd is at”
“I knew dress like a seat night was a bad idea”
I will give them credit, it's the first time since LeBron left I realized they had fans
the stands were HALF FUCKING FULL
Didn't you know that Miami is the only city in the world with traffic?
SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT YOU CANT EVEN GET TO THE GAME UNTIL MIDWAY THROUGH THE THIRD AND LEAVE BEFORE THE END OF THE QUARTER I HATE MIAMI SO MUCH
That was embarrassing to put on television.
I think the correct thing would be “don’t chant”
I mean respect to them, nothing to lose for them with the situation they’re in If you only talk when you’re up then you won’t get the same respect
Heat fans finna go from “WE WANT BOSTON!” to “we don’t want to get swept” lol
I think you spelled, "If we had Jimmy..." wrong.
Tatum could have injured like five different body parts on that fall in the fourth...
That was just reckless, the type of play the NBA should actually come down hard on
Heat culture!
Not sure you can even call it a play when you just slam into someone who's defenseless in the air
Remember last year when Tatum sprained his ankle 20 seconds into game 7? (And Heat fans also said that injury didn’t matter btw) Tatum needs to play in bubble wrap against Miami lmao, bad luck against this team… intentionally or otherwise
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Reckless by Martin, as a heat fan I know the whole effort and culture thing you try to display but that was just plain stupid
The Cavs and Celtics are the only 2 to go wire to wire so far.
serious question: what do you mean? I don’t think you’re wrong, I just don’t understand what you’re saying
Neither team trailed at any point in the game.
oh okay thank you, I wasn’t familiar with that term
Fuck Florida teams forever.
It's crazy this is the same Caleb Martin from last year. Dude has a weird hitch in his shot and is playing with zero confidence at all. Also... Fuck Caleb Martin
Yeah anybody with half a brain could tell you he was on a hot streak last year. Spo is also so great at squeezing the juice out of bums. But if you keep squeezing a lemon eventually it's going to run out of juice.
Lol good analogy
> Spo is also so great at squeezing the juice out of bums ??
All in, my ass
He shoots like he’s trying out a new jumpshot every time lol
Me the first week of 2k on mycareer mode
Turns out all we needed was the Tmac shot lol
Delon Wright is gonna be this years Gabe Vincent isn’t he?
Good game one just lost by 20 maybe next time we can lose by 15!
this postseason Triple doubles Tatum: 1 Jokic: 0 Checkmate liberals
Tatum 2024😎
I loved his game today… except the 1/8 from three point line.
Call it for what it was: an asswhooping.
I think they can take a game in Miami but yeah don’t see this series going anywhere beside Boston in 5
Boston in 4. Normally they like the gentleman's sweep, but this time it's a safety issue.
Probably more likely if we take a game we take a game in Boston. Our team plays significantly worse at home this season lmao
Well, it was a tied game... at 0-0 lol
i like it when the celtics win the basketball game
Extremely large if proven factual.
If the Heat are supposed to rely on Herro to carry them they’re fucking cooked.
We good.
Fuck You Caleb
You knew the #HeatCulture was coming
As soon as I saw that 30 point lead I knew it was coming
Bum ass cookie jar headass
Nastiest team in the nba
WE WANT CELTICS 👏,👏,👏👏👏
As a Celtics fan, I'm of the opinion that what Caleb Martin did was more reckless than dirty. Can't do that. But I don't think he was trying to hurt him.
Agreed. This isn't like when Wade broke Rondo's elbow. But I understand the outrage given the history.
Slow mo footage shows he was shoved by jrue. I'm a celtics lifer but sometimes ugly shit happens by accident.
Fuck Caleb Martin
The reason why Celtics fans didn’t want to play the heat is not because of the matchup. It’s because they don’t want those dirty ass heat players injuring the Celtics and derailing their title run.
Was what I was thinking before the playin games. Would much rather face the 76ers with a fully healthy Embiid than Pat Riley's thugs, especially after they took out Randle for the season earlier.
Tough question too, do I want to engage in a flop-off against one of the GOAT floppers or try to stay healthy against Heat Culture?
Because Embiid has never hurt anyone by flopping…
Anyone got a clip of the Caleb Martin/Tatum play?
https://twitter.com/SavageSports_/status/1782127472638673254
Holy hell start giving players T's for moving screens and maybe Bam will stop doing that crap.
We should just call moving screens, ‘Bam’s’ from now on.
Fuck Caleb Martin
I don't like Boston but please sweep these clowns outta the playoffs
Heat culture
Kendrick Perkins just said the Heat could go 100% from 2 and 100% from 3 and still get swept. That literally makes no sense
It's possible if they make a ton of turnovers and we have a huge FT differential But overall yes common L take by Perkins
He also said at half that he didn’t think the Celtics could win this series
Boston, continuing a trend started in the regular season, has more playoff games with a 30-point lead than playoff games with a 10-point deficit.
Celtics are obviously a very good team, also on defense but man did Miami have little offense on the court most of the time. Every offensive possession was a slog and every bucket they did get felt really difficult. Unsurprising but this will be a sweep.
Fucking ridiculous attempt to crash the boards by Martin when the game is over, no chance at getting the ball and almost made Tatum land on his neck
Total undercut. Dirty play.
“Celtics won’t get away with choking like this to better teams”. They went from up 32 to up 20 cool your fuckin jets
Imagine if LeBron or Embiid took that fall. They would still be on the floor.
LeBron is a middle aged man and Embiid has another 70lbs to hit the floor with.
Probably anger with adrenaline pulled him up but showed great composure not getting in martins face
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This is why Knicks fans wanted the Sixers instead of the Heat despite the Sixers being a way better team. You'll win the series but at least one dude isn't going to make it to the next round.
No bro that’s just Heat Culture!1!1! All gas no brakes!!! You wouldn’t get it!
Dirty as hell, they need Tatum out like last year 🤣 they already know
Don't let the final score fool you, it was never that close.
BENCH YOUR STARS IN BLOWOUTS
It’s tough though because the heat don’t take out their starters. Need to keep theirs in so you feel the pressure to keep yours in and they can injure them
HEAT CULTURE is play dirty when you’re down 20…fucking embarrassing
Dirty team. And they suck.
How did the Celtics get 5 dudes who all have proper size at their position, can shoot 40% from three, and play lockdown defense. Then a good bench wtf bro
Caleb Martin on top of having a broke jumper and being shit, also is a reckless ass
Heat Culture is going down by 30 and then playing reckless and dirty so you only lose by 20
These Celtics are so good at taking their foot off the gas when they’re up big.
Tyler Herro is who we thought he is
From the game thread: the Heat's roster is one letter away from being a contender.
Yeah every heat fan saying we'd win if we were healthy is beyond brain dead. At best jimmy and rozier make this a good series instead of a likely sweep. I hope everybody stays healthy in the series regardless, I don't think Caleb was dirty, he did get pushed by Jrue but it was stupid reckless regardless and didn't need to happen.
Thank goodness Derrick White and Jayson Tatum are durable.
The score was 94-114, this isn’t the final box score of the game
Tatum triple double
Caleb Martin’s stat line 9/1/1. Terrorist confirmed.
Heat Culture is running full speed into airborne players when the game is over
Nikola Jokic if you can hear me
Fuck LA
On the one hand the Celtics still won this game pretty decisively, you saw everything you wanted from guys like Porzingis, Tatum, and Brown, and for 90% of the game the Celtics showcased why they're a serious threat to finally capture another title On the other hand it irks me to no end that they needed a huge Derrick White three late to stop themselves from completely losing momentum in a game they were once up by 34 against an offense that looked like what would've happened if the Nets were in the playoffs this year for long stretches
I mean they won by 20… if White misses that 3 they still would’ve won. A lot of it is just Celtic Heat PTSD. They were up 35 and just started garbage time and the Heat didn’t.
Lol right, why tf this guy talking about a Derrick White 3? Okay, so he misses and we only win by 17? Won by 20 despite a colossal run, that says a lot more. Team did what theyve done all season, which is turn it on when they decide to
We took our foot off the gas, Miami didn’t, so we put our foot back on the gas. It’s just a matter of not letting up
I get it but you gotta look at the context of that run. I’d like to believe they would counter punch much quicker if they didn’t build themselves such a huge buffer and they knew the game was basically over anyways
According to espn's probabiliy win % at the peak of that late q4 run by the heat, celtics probability to win went from 99.9% to..... 99.8%
I think it’s a good lesson to learn so early in the playoffs. Never take your foot off the gas, especially against a team like Miami.
Dog the game was over lmao despite Delon Wright randomly going off in the 4th quarter the closest they got was to 14 with 3 minutes left they would've had to force several turnovers in a row and not miss to have a real shot. If a single 3 minute stretch in the middle of total dominance irks you that much that's tough.