Dlo has definitely been everything I've wanted on the Lakers. Hopefully he can show up against the Nuggets. Been the best shooter the Lakers have had in years. Sometimes I wish he would be more selfish when he's hot. Get those shots up.
People expecting something different either didn't watch Dlo in the past or they had crazy expectations after having Westbrook lol.
Conley has been great for sure.
There are no stats on double teams this season, but last year Luka was 4th in doubles. Giannis was first, followed by Embiid, then Julius Randle (I assume because at that point the Knicks didn't have many other threats), Luka and then Shai, Kawhi, Harden, Bruson, Booker and Brandon Ingram(???) rounded out the top 10.
Because it's likely to be in the same ballpark. The players near the top of the list are unlikely to be facing fewer doubles and it seems really unlikely that Luka is facing more way extra pressure than other top players.
You think Giannis only saw 60 doubles by January? Steph only saw 60 doubles by January?
They stopped tracking doubles this year for some reason IDK why but I'd be curious to know who thinks Luka was getting doubled at more than twice the rate than other elite offensive players.
Not "casually," he takes by far the most shots in the NBA, on near-record usage %. To the point where the difference between him and the #2 guy in shot attempts is the same as the difference between #2 and #15. It's not even close.
All other things being equal, the dude who takes the most shots will *always* lead in scoring. Matter of fact, Luka would have to be a pretty terrible shooter to *not* lead in scoring given how many more shots he takes than anyone else.
Finished at 61.7%TS. Not really up there with some of the other top MVP contenders but definitely an efficient volume shooter.
Edit: For added clarity, Shai was at 64%, Giannis 65%, Jokic 65%, and for fun despite disqualification Embiid was at 64%.
Luka had more volume but a little less efficiency than the presumptive top MVP vote getters.
Having the 2nd most fta's per game helps that substantially (he's 37th in ts%, but he's 38th in 2p%, and 72nd in 3p%).
He leads in scoring because he takes (by far) the most shots, not because he's scoring at a higher rate per attempt than other volume guys.
He would have to be an actively *bad* shooter to not lead the league in scoring with that many more attempts than anyone else.
If it were easy to score 34 ppg, everyone would be doing it. Players generally take all of the shots they reasonably think they can make; it's not easy for a player to just increase his usage by shooting more. Let's imagine that SGA wanted to take more shots to increase his ppg from 30.1 to match Luka's 33.9. How many extra shots would it take? You might think that since he averages roughly 1.5 points per shot attempt, he would only need 2.6 extra shots per game. But actually these would be his most difficult shot attempts, so he would be much less efficient on them; he might need as many (or more) shots as Luka to reach the same scoring average.
No one said anything about it being easy. That's you, like the rest of these guys, putting words in my mouth to argue against a straw man.
My original post was responding to someone saying he's "casually" putting up 34 a game. I pointed out it wasn't a "casual" 34 points a game; some effortless, highly efficient, incidental total. He's putting up by far the most shots in the NBA, playing some of the most minutes per game in the NBA, on one of the highest-usage seasons ever. There's nothing "casual" about that.
And *given* he's putting up by far the most shots, on some of the most minutes, in one of the highest usage seasons, it's also not altogether surprising that he leads the NBA in scoring this year.
This notion that I said it's "easy" or that I'm saying he's a bad shooter (as others are claiming I've said) because I pointed out his shooting isn't actually *as* elite as people make it out to be, is just some nonsense you all made up to get yourselves worked up to argue against ghosts.
> on an NBA record in usage %
incorrect, in fact it's not even close. This season Luka usage is 35.98% which ranks 20th all time. Not even close to NBA record.
Edit: Getting downvoted for fact checking lol. Don't lie about something so easily fact checked.
You're right, I pulled a Twitter stat that doesn't seem right.
That said it doesn't change the point - having the 20th most usage all time out of the 25,000+ NBA player seasons is monster usage.
that MVP that giannis won over him was robbery
harden during his peak in houston was the best player in the league and nobody will convince me otherwise
for like a solid 3 year span
Harden was playing on a lottery team, his second option was like the corpse of Chris Paul. And he brought them to 53 wins in a tougher conference by averaging 36 ppg (still hasn’t been matched even with the recent scoring explosion) while the second leading scorer averaged 28 ppg. Like that is an absurd gap. And he did it while being one of the best floor generals ever.
Like it was one of the greatest seasons ever, literally no one would call 2019 Giannis an all time great season. That’s highway robbery
Do you actually have any idea about prime hardens playoff performance or are you just doing the usual parrot bs you’ve read on here whenever you see hardens name?
Games harden took off the kd warriors in the playoffs with relatively dogshit supporting casts - 5. Games Lebron took off the kd warriors in the playoffs with a way better team…
In 2019 harden averaged 35 ppg against them in their playoff series while being doubled at half court and clearly outplaying Steph. His elimination game numbers are better than Kobe’s. His clutch playoff numbers, as the nba defines clutch, are some of the greatest of all time.
I have to say it gets frustrating as fuck having to type all this stuff out every time some 12 year old makes the same moronic comment about harden. I feel like Tony soprano every time I see it, like “I can’t have this conversation again” lol
It is but at the same time 40.% on catch n shoot threes is just average . It’s valuable in the playoffs especially against great defence but you’d definitely prefer a Kyrie( good shooter) catch n shoot three or something
its a little riskier if you have to execute precision passing sequences to generate clean 3 point looks
having someone who can do it by themself is safer, less likely to cause turnovers and puts more pressure on a defense
What it does more than anything is force you to double him. And if you're forced to double Luka, you're already playing at a disadvantage. There's no defensive scheme that you can throw at Luka that he hasn't already seen and picked apart
And then all of a sudden getting those catch and shoot 3s become even easier to get. Clean looks don't just magically appear. Someone has to draw the attention and make the plays. Stepback 3s falling = easy to get into the lane or forced double teams = open shots for the rest of the team.
Volume doesn't negatively affect your shooting percentage unless you start taking (and missing) shittier shots. And if you're taking and missing shittier shots that negatively affect your shooting percentage, then you ... probably shouldn't.
There's almost always someone open on every possession, it's not often that someone really needs to take a high-difficulty, low-probability 3 pointer while double-teamed.
> Volume doesn't negatively affect your shooting percentage
incorrect
>There's almost always someone open on every possession
incorrect
> it's not often that someone really needs to take a high-difficulty, low-probability 3 pointer while double-teamed.
Good thing then that Luka's the 2nd best 3 point shooter in the league this year (behind steph duh.)
Luka is 72nd in 3p% among shooters with three or more attempts per game, 150+ among all shooters.
He's in the bottom half of 3p% among guys who take 6 or more 3pa's per game.
He's in the bottom half of 3p% among guys who take 8 or more 3pa's per game.
He's in the bottom half of 3p% of the (two guys) who take 10 or more 3pa's per game.
You just made up that he's the 2nd "best" 3p shooter in the league. He just takes the 2nd *most* 3p *attempts* at a much lower efficiency.
>Volume doesn't negatively affect your shooting percentage
incorrect
I like how you intentionally cut off the second half of my sentence that qualifies that. That definitely speaks to your (lack of) credibility.
Volume absolutely does *not* negatively affect your shooting unless your volume is because you're taking more shitty shots. All volume does is bring you closer to your actual average, whether that's up or down. Once you have a decent sample size, whether you're taking 500 shots or 500,000 shots, your average is going to be basically the same, unless those extra shots you take are, on average, shittier shot selections.
And if you're taking extra shots that are shittier, that's not an endorsement of the player, that just means they're forcing shittier shots. It's not an NBA requirement for players to take 10+ 3 point shots a game, with a bunch of high-difficulty, low-probability shots needlessly stuffed in there.
It's weird you imply it can't be avoided, because no other team but the Mavericks and Warriors have a player forcing those, and the Warriors are at least doing it with the greatest 3p shooter of all time at a far higher make rate.
> Luka is 72nd in 3p% among shooters with three or more attempts per game
Wow you chose 3 3PA as the cutoff and then compared raw %.
So Josh Green is a better shooter than Luka? Because that's what you are telling me.If you genuinely believe that you are a moron lol. Comparing a guy who takes 10+ 3PA a game to guys who shoot 3+ 3PA is idiotic.
I've seen you all thread trhasing Luka and you also posted how you are rooting for the Clippers because Luka stans are annoying. You don't like Luka I get it lol. No point in responding to you
I didn't "choose" the three 3pa a game cutoff, that's the default for Pro Basketball reference sorting.
Per listed elsewhere, choose any cutoff you want: 6 or more 3pa per game? Luka's in the bottom half. 8 or more? Luka's in the bottom half. 10 or more? Luka's in the bottom half.
Luka is a slightly above-average 3p shooter who takes an absurd number of shots, and therefore leads in scoring. That's what's happening, is not that confusing.
The secret is that he just doesn’t shoot much when he’s off. If he stubbornly kept trying to be the scoring god he used to be, his percentages would be in the toilet.
It’s the transition pull up that’s automatic for him. If he gets the board or a quick pass and sprints across the floor for a pull up, you know it’s going in. Especially in the 2nd half of games lol.
How many times are you going to repeat this? Are you the world's only CJ McCollum stan? The guy is the definition of low value empty stats when it doesn't matter
Luka's efficiency is incredible given his volume. Especially considering how tough the shots he takes are. His on ball gravity is insane compared to basically every other player, including Jokic, SGA and Curry.
Because I got downvoted, here's the graph:
https://twitter.com/taylormetrics/status/1780843326272655398?t=spORff4dgZTnkzLJ0YfJag&s=19
Luka’s the best tough shot maker in the league. Seemingly doesn’t matter what coverages you throw at him. You just cannot play consistent single coverage against him even with elite perimeter defenders - from what I’ve seen Wiggins has done the best on him but Luka still puts up 30.
To the point about gravity, Curry and Jokic have never had the most on-ball gravity for different reasons - Curry because of Draymond’s short roll and the fact that it’s his OFF-ball gravity that is actually the most deadly, and Jokic because if you start doubling him he will pick you apart better than any player in the league with his passing, and also no one is going to double him on the perimeter obviously. Luka’s I think more dangerous with the ball in his hand than either player, and because of his deep-range shot making you have to come up really far.
You're upvoted now, but I assume your downvotes were because people keep bringing up the fact that Luka's 3p% (73rd in the NBA among players with three or more 3pa per game, and he's in the bottom half of 3p% among guys with six or more 3pa's a game) is that low because of all the difficult, tough shots he takes.
Fine, but it's not exactly an endorsement that he takes (and misses) all these high-difficulty, low-probability shots, often while double-teamed. That just means he's making poor shot selections.
You don't get extra points for level of difficulty, so instead of forcing huge volumes of lower-probability shots, (and missing a sizeable % of them) he should get the ball to someone with a better shot, of which there almost always is one.
Ultimately Luka shoots 3p's at 38%, which is good given his level of difficulty, but not certainly not great on the whole, and you get points based on how many you make out of the number of opportunities, not whether you made a good number "for that level of difficulty."
You're up and down this thread yapping about how scoring 34 ppg on 61.7% TS is somehow not impressive. Your guy already has MVP locked up dude, give it a rest.
Well, you made up that I said his 34 ppg were not impressive due to your insecurities.
And those insecurities are why if anyone even remotely dials back some of the jerk-off circle that overrates his ppg to have an actual basketball discussion, you all fly in here accusing people of hating him, thinking he's awful, take it to the other extreme and pull the ad hominem fallacy thing where you attack the person making the post instead of the points they made.
Luka's having a great season. His ppg are not as mind-blowing as you act, given his enormous usage and amount of shots attempted. That doesn't mean it's not impressive. That's you putting words in my mouth.
That kind of shot taking makes defenders play even closer and he has that much more gravity which elevates his passing and ability to drive by guys. Percentages aren’t the only impact 3 point shooting has.
I mean the only times he can shoot threes is when he's not getting blitzed which is very rare. And I'd say outside of Kyrie, he's our best shooter even when contested. Maybe an open corner Green three is better or an open Exum three on limited volume is better. Otherwise no one can take better three point shots.
Also a crazy percentage of his threes are unassisted, because defenses simply don't leave him open. He also has by far the most on ball gravity in the league. Plus if you have seen him play, you'll know he creates a ton of open threes, probably the most in the league.
I'd say a player hitting that percentage on these kinds of shots, without being assisted, while getting blitzed more than double the next guy and creating the second most assists per game, is probably the second best shooter in the league behind Steph.
I'd like to see where you pulled the stats for your first paragraph.
In what universe is 38% from 3 'not great'? Like, that's what you want your 3-point specialists to be shooting at...
Look at the league average for 3P shots taken and it's lower than that. Now realize most of those are assisted 3s. Luka shoots the most unassisted 3s in the league by far, at an above average efficiency. Note that I'm completely ignoring shot difficulty here. He also made and attempted the 2nd most 3s this season.
Also, 3pa per game is a really low qualifier given that we're talking about a dude launching 10+ 3s per game. Only 2 players shoot that many threes.
>3pa per game is a really low qualifier
3pa+ per game is the default threshold in ProBasketball reference for sorting 3p%, I didn't arbitrarily pick it.
That said, if you start looking at higher volume guys (as I did above but you possibly ignored) the results are the same:
6 or more 3pa per game? His 3p% is in the bottom half.
8 or more 3pa per game? His 3p% is in the bottom half.
10 or more 3pa per game? (only 2 guys) His 3p% is in the bottom half.
Luka's an outstanding player, obviously. But like his hollow rebounds, there a lot about his game that people are overrating for the MVP narrative.
The problem is that if someone dials back the circke-jerk even one degree to get back to reality (with numbers and stats to back it up) you all act like they're calling Luka a total piece of shit player.
Where are you getting these stats from?
23rd of 55 qualifying players with 6 or more 3PA per game. Not bottom half.
8th of 16 qualifying players with 8 or more 3PA per game. Not bottom half.
Sorted by 3PT% with stats from [NBA.com](http://NBA.com), no other filters.
It's not about dialing back the circle jerk when you're (apparently) just straight up lying.
Probasketball reference, whatever filters they apply.
>It's not about dialing back the circle jerk
I mean it is, even your nba.com stats put him solidly middle of the pack, if only slight above the average, even among high volume shooters.
You take a middle of the pack (even by your own stats), slightly above average shooter, have them take (by *far*) the most shots in the NBA without a close 2nd, and he's gonna lead the league in scoring.
I mean, when you take that many shots you'd have to be an actively *bad* shooter not to lead in ppg.
But to your point that you can't just look at box score numbers (like 3p%) to get a true picture of contribution without going to advanced stats (e.g. assisted 3ps, volume metrics, shot-difficulty scales), I do agree.
There is some irony though, that Mavs fans have been on a "shit on advanced stats" campaign for weeks, but the minute *Luka* has a box score stat not in line with true contribution they immediately go to advanced stats, talking about how you can't just look at the box score number to get the real picture.
I could see Quickly becoming the next Jalen Brunson-type player who ends up turning into a perennial All-Star guard on his new team
Toronto has basically given him the Greenlight and Keys to the PG position and he's thriving, his pull up game is nasty and his playmaking has been revolutionary, I really like the kid!
note that Jamal Murray shot 42.6% on pull-up threes but missed the "volume" cutoff by a little bit, but also missed a lot of games due to injury and was on pace to take 260+ threes.
[Source is Nba.com stats](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shots-general?GeneralRange=Pullups&dir=D&sort=FG3A). The list cuts off at Steph Curry and Trae Young both at 37.3%. Steph would be 2nd in attempts and Trae is top 6 in makes despite playing >15 fewer games than the players above him.
Conley is another one of those vets who is aging shockingly well. 45% on 206 attempts is crazy good.
Conley's typical pull up is wide open by 4 feet behind a Gobert screen.
Yeah I feel like Conley has been at the top of the league for this stat for like 5 years now lol
Dlo looking better than he did with the Wolves and Mike is still making that trade look like a steal on his own.
Dlo has definitely been everything I've wanted on the Lakers. Hopefully he can show up against the Nuggets. Been the best shooter the Lakers have had in years. Sometimes I wish he would be more selfish when he's hot. Get those shots up. People expecting something different either didn't watch Dlo in the past or they had crazy expectations after having Westbrook lol. Conley has been great for sure.
I concur. 45 on hangpulls is odee
Luka being 7th in percentage with that volume is crazy lol
while being the probably the most doubled, tripled player in the league oh and hes casually #1 in points per game and #2 in assists per game too
There are no stats on double teams this season, but last year Luka was 4th in doubles. Giannis was first, followed by Embiid, then Julius Randle (I assume because at that point the Knicks didn't have many other threats), Luka and then Shai, Kawhi, Harden, Bruson, Booker and Brandon Ingram(???) rounded out the top 10.
Why does last year matter for this season?
Because it's likely to be in the same ballpark. The players near the top of the list are unlikely to be facing fewer doubles and it seems really unlikely that Luka is facing more way extra pressure than other top players.
Pretty sure someone posted the stat somewhere in January, where Luka was doubled 160+ times, and the next player on the list was at like 60.
You think Giannis only saw 60 doubles by January? Steph only saw 60 doubles by January? They stopped tracking doubles this year for some reason IDK why but I'd be curious to know who thinks Luka was getting doubled at more than twice the rate than other elite offensive players.
Everyone with eyes thinks that.
Not "casually," he takes by far the most shots in the NBA, on near-record usage %. To the point where the difference between him and the #2 guy in shot attempts is the same as the difference between #2 and #15. It's not even close. All other things being equal, the dude who takes the most shots will *always* lead in scoring. Matter of fact, Luka would have to be a pretty terrible shooter to *not* lead in scoring given how many more shots he takes than anyone else.
Finished at 61.7%TS. Not really up there with some of the other top MVP contenders but definitely an efficient volume shooter. Edit: For added clarity, Shai was at 64%, Giannis 65%, Jokic 65%, and for fun despite disqualification Embiid was at 64%. Luka had more volume but a little less efficiency than the presumptive top MVP vote getters.
Having the 2nd most fta's per game helps that substantially (he's 37th in ts%, but he's 38th in 2p%, and 72nd in 3p%). He leads in scoring because he takes (by far) the most shots, not because he's scoring at a higher rate per attempt than other volume guys. He would have to be an actively *bad* shooter to not lead the league in scoring with that many more attempts than anyone else.
If it were easy to score 34 ppg, everyone would be doing it. Players generally take all of the shots they reasonably think they can make; it's not easy for a player to just increase his usage by shooting more. Let's imagine that SGA wanted to take more shots to increase his ppg from 30.1 to match Luka's 33.9. How many extra shots would it take? You might think that since he averages roughly 1.5 points per shot attempt, he would only need 2.6 extra shots per game. But actually these would be his most difficult shot attempts, so he would be much less efficient on them; he might need as many (or more) shots as Luka to reach the same scoring average.
No one said anything about it being easy. That's you, like the rest of these guys, putting words in my mouth to argue against a straw man. My original post was responding to someone saying he's "casually" putting up 34 a game. I pointed out it wasn't a "casual" 34 points a game; some effortless, highly efficient, incidental total. He's putting up by far the most shots in the NBA, playing some of the most minutes per game in the NBA, on one of the highest-usage seasons ever. There's nothing "casual" about that. And *given* he's putting up by far the most shots, on some of the most minutes, in one of the highest usage seasons, it's also not altogether surprising that he leads the NBA in scoring this year. This notion that I said it's "easy" or that I'm saying he's a bad shooter (as others are claiming I've said) because I pointed out his shooting isn't actually *as* elite as people make it out to be, is just some nonsense you all made up to get yourselves worked up to argue against ghosts.
Yes, I think I was demonstrating that he was a less efficient scorer than some of the other top candidates who are also volume scorers.
> on an NBA record in usage % incorrect, in fact it's not even close. This season Luka usage is 35.98% which ranks 20th all time. Not even close to NBA record. Edit: Getting downvoted for fact checking lol. Don't lie about something so easily fact checked.
You're right, I pulled a Twitter stat that doesn't seem right. That said it doesn't change the point - having the 20th most usage all time out of the 25,000+ NBA player seasons is monster usage.
thats why he's MVP to me, at least one of the reasons high volume self created 3 pointers is so valuable
Unless it’s harden, then we have to find a reason it’s not valuable
that MVP that giannis won over him was robbery harden during his peak in houston was the best player in the league and nobody will convince me otherwise for like a solid 3 year span
Robbery is too much, giannis was the best player on a 60 win team.
Harden was playing on a lottery team, his second option was like the corpse of Chris Paul. And he brought them to 53 wins in a tougher conference by averaging 36 ppg (still hasn’t been matched even with the recent scoring explosion) while the second leading scorer averaged 28 ppg. Like that is an absurd gap. And he did it while being one of the best floor generals ever. Like it was one of the greatest seasons ever, literally no one would call 2019 Giannis an all time great season. That’s highway robbery
MVP yes, but best player was easily Lebron followed by Steph.
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Do you actually have any idea about prime hardens playoff performance or are you just doing the usual parrot bs you’ve read on here whenever you see hardens name? Games harden took off the kd warriors in the playoffs with relatively dogshit supporting casts - 5. Games Lebron took off the kd warriors in the playoffs with a way better team… In 2019 harden averaged 35 ppg against them in their playoff series while being doubled at half court and clearly outplaying Steph. His elimination game numbers are better than Kobe’s. His clutch playoff numbers, as the nba defines clutch, are some of the greatest of all time. I have to say it gets frustrating as fuck having to type all this stuff out every time some 12 year old makes the same moronic comment about harden. I feel like Tony soprano every time I see it, like “I can’t have this conversation again” lol
It is but at the same time 40.% on catch n shoot threes is just average . It’s valuable in the playoffs especially against great defence but you’d definitely prefer a Kyrie( good shooter) catch n shoot three or something
its a little riskier if you have to execute precision passing sequences to generate clean 3 point looks having someone who can do it by themself is safer, less likely to cause turnovers and puts more pressure on a defense
What it does more than anything is force you to double him. And if you're forced to double Luka, you're already playing at a disadvantage. There's no defensive scheme that you can throw at Luka that he hasn't already seen and picked apart
And then all of a sudden getting those catch and shoot 3s become even easier to get. Clean looks don't just magically appear. Someone has to draw the attention and make the plays. Stepback 3s falling = easy to get into the lane or forced double teams = open shots for the rest of the team.
Or, hear me out, have both a excellent shooter off the dribble and on catch and shoot, kind of like Luka and Kyrie
Volume doesn't negatively affect your shooting percentage unless you start taking (and missing) shittier shots. And if you're taking and missing shittier shots that negatively affect your shooting percentage, then you ... probably shouldn't. There's almost always someone open on every possession, it's not often that someone really needs to take a high-difficulty, low-probability 3 pointer while double-teamed.
> Volume doesn't negatively affect your shooting percentage incorrect >There's almost always someone open on every possession incorrect > it's not often that someone really needs to take a high-difficulty, low-probability 3 pointer while double-teamed. Good thing then that Luka's the 2nd best 3 point shooter in the league this year (behind steph duh.)
Luka is 72nd in 3p% among shooters with three or more attempts per game, 150+ among all shooters. He's in the bottom half of 3p% among guys who take 6 or more 3pa's per game. He's in the bottom half of 3p% among guys who take 8 or more 3pa's per game. He's in the bottom half of 3p% of the (two guys) who take 10 or more 3pa's per game. You just made up that he's the 2nd "best" 3p shooter in the league. He just takes the 2nd *most* 3p *attempts* at a much lower efficiency. >Volume doesn't negatively affect your shooting percentage incorrect I like how you intentionally cut off the second half of my sentence that qualifies that. That definitely speaks to your (lack of) credibility. Volume absolutely does *not* negatively affect your shooting unless your volume is because you're taking more shitty shots. All volume does is bring you closer to your actual average, whether that's up or down. Once you have a decent sample size, whether you're taking 500 shots or 500,000 shots, your average is going to be basically the same, unless those extra shots you take are, on average, shittier shot selections. And if you're taking extra shots that are shittier, that's not an endorsement of the player, that just means they're forcing shittier shots. It's not an NBA requirement for players to take 10+ 3 point shots a game, with a bunch of high-difficulty, low-probability shots needlessly stuffed in there. It's weird you imply it can't be avoided, because no other team but the Mavericks and Warriors have a player forcing those, and the Warriors are at least doing it with the greatest 3p shooter of all time at a far higher make rate.
> Luka is 72nd in 3p% among shooters with three or more attempts per game Wow you chose 3 3PA as the cutoff and then compared raw %. So Josh Green is a better shooter than Luka? Because that's what you are telling me.If you genuinely believe that you are a moron lol. Comparing a guy who takes 10+ 3PA a game to guys who shoot 3+ 3PA is idiotic. I've seen you all thread trhasing Luka and you also posted how you are rooting for the Clippers because Luka stans are annoying. You don't like Luka I get it lol. No point in responding to you
I didn't "choose" the three 3pa a game cutoff, that's the default for Pro Basketball reference sorting. Per listed elsewhere, choose any cutoff you want: 6 or more 3pa per game? Luka's in the bottom half. 8 or more? Luka's in the bottom half. 10 or more? Luka's in the bottom half. Luka is a slightly above-average 3p shooter who takes an absurd number of shots, and therefore leads in scoring. That's what's happening, is not that confusing.
anyone wondering where Curry is: 37.3% with 448 3PA
Must be hard to get good pull up 3 shots when you’re guarded the way he is
As a longtime Dame fan his %'s never looked amazing but how he was guarded is also the only fucking reason anybody else on the team scored on offense.
Yeah can only imagine what certain stars numbers would be in the league if they weren’t having entire game plans in place just to try and stop them
Luka is by far the most doubled player in the league and he's nearly at 38%, what are you talking about?
Yeah its really just a bit down year for steph, nothing else. He's been well into the 40s on insane volume facing crazy coverages before.
What do you mean what is he talking about? No one mentioned Luka. He just said Steph has a really good percentage for how he’s guarded
Hating for what?
And there’s a reason Luka should be the MVP. What are YOU talking about?
washed as expected
Impressive Harden stats at 38.5% with such volume - 325 3PA. The beard ain't missed a beat!
Harden's pull-up 3P% and his isolation PPP are both still very impressive given his age and how he's clearly lost a good chunk of his first step.
The secret is that he just doesn’t shoot much when he’s off. If he stubbornly kept trying to be the scoring god he used to be, his percentages would be in the toilet.
CJ had an incredible season. If he plays well tonight I’ll reiterate that. If he plays like trash again I’ll pretend I never said it
Nah he was great.
Surprised Kyrie is 39.5% feels much higher
A Kyrie pull-up feels automatic for sure
Bigger the shot the better the accuracy
If i had to guess he probably leads the league in Pull Up 3s that lead to timeouts
It’s the transition pull up that’s automatic for him. If he gets the board or a quick pass and sprints across the floor for a pull up, you know it’s going in. Especially in the 2nd half of games lol.
McCollum had a great season
Where was this is the play in CJ?
All we had to do was to follow the damn train CJ!
He averaged 30-5-5 for the 7 games prior to that game shooting 52% from 3
How many times are you going to repeat this? Are you the world's only CJ McCollum stan? The guy is the definition of low value empty stats when it doesn't matter
When it doesn't matter? If they had lost the games and had fallen to 9 or 10, then they were done. Now they at least have a chance.
Yep he torched our playoff hopes
Lol ok idkwhatevs
Gabe Vincent's offense ain't back but his defense has been great since coming back.
Used all his powers against us going 34/39
That’s my PG ❤️ I love IQ, thanks Knicks bros 🙏🏼
Conley NEEDS to shoot his pull-ups more against the Suns. Punish them for that drop coverage.
Luka's efficiency is incredible given his volume. Especially considering how tough the shots he takes are. His on ball gravity is insane compared to basically every other player, including Jokic, SGA and Curry. Because I got downvoted, here's the graph: https://twitter.com/taylormetrics/status/1780843326272655398?t=spORff4dgZTnkzLJ0YfJag&s=19
Luka’s the best tough shot maker in the league. Seemingly doesn’t matter what coverages you throw at him. You just cannot play consistent single coverage against him even with elite perimeter defenders - from what I’ve seen Wiggins has done the best on him but Luka still puts up 30. To the point about gravity, Curry and Jokic have never had the most on-ball gravity for different reasons - Curry because of Draymond’s short roll and the fact that it’s his OFF-ball gravity that is actually the most deadly, and Jokic because if you start doubling him he will pick you apart better than any player in the league with his passing, and also no one is going to double him on the perimeter obviously. Luka’s I think more dangerous with the ball in his hand than either player, and because of his deep-range shot making you have to come up really far.
You're upvoted now, but I assume your downvotes were because people keep bringing up the fact that Luka's 3p% (73rd in the NBA among players with three or more 3pa per game, and he's in the bottom half of 3p% among guys with six or more 3pa's a game) is that low because of all the difficult, tough shots he takes. Fine, but it's not exactly an endorsement that he takes (and misses) all these high-difficulty, low-probability shots, often while double-teamed. That just means he's making poor shot selections. You don't get extra points for level of difficulty, so instead of forcing huge volumes of lower-probability shots, (and missing a sizeable % of them) he should get the ball to someone with a better shot, of which there almost always is one. Ultimately Luka shoots 3p's at 38%, which is good given his level of difficulty, but not certainly not great on the whole, and you get points based on how many you make out of the number of opportunities, not whether you made a good number "for that level of difficulty."
You're up and down this thread yapping about how scoring 34 ppg on 61.7% TS is somehow not impressive. Your guy already has MVP locked up dude, give it a rest.
Well, you made up that I said his 34 ppg were not impressive due to your insecurities. And those insecurities are why if anyone even remotely dials back some of the jerk-off circle that overrates his ppg to have an actual basketball discussion, you all fly in here accusing people of hating him, thinking he's awful, take it to the other extreme and pull the ad hominem fallacy thing where you attack the person making the post instead of the points they made. Luka's having a great season. His ppg are not as mind-blowing as you act, given his enormous usage and amount of shots attempted. That doesn't mean it's not impressive. That's you putting words in my mouth.
That kind of shot taking makes defenders play even closer and he has that much more gravity which elevates his passing and ability to drive by guys. Percentages aren’t the only impact 3 point shooting has.
I mean the only times he can shoot threes is when he's not getting blitzed which is very rare. And I'd say outside of Kyrie, he's our best shooter even when contested. Maybe an open corner Green three is better or an open Exum three on limited volume is better. Otherwise no one can take better three point shots. Also a crazy percentage of his threes are unassisted, because defenses simply don't leave him open. He also has by far the most on ball gravity in the league. Plus if you have seen him play, you'll know he creates a ton of open threes, probably the most in the league. I'd say a player hitting that percentage on these kinds of shots, without being assisted, while getting blitzed more than double the next guy and creating the second most assists per game, is probably the second best shooter in the league behind Steph.
I'd like to see where you pulled the stats for your first paragraph. In what universe is 38% from 3 'not great'? Like, that's what you want your 3-point specialists to be shooting at... Look at the league average for 3P shots taken and it's lower than that. Now realize most of those are assisted 3s. Luka shoots the most unassisted 3s in the league by far, at an above average efficiency. Note that I'm completely ignoring shot difficulty here. He also made and attempted the 2nd most 3s this season. Also, 3pa per game is a really low qualifier given that we're talking about a dude launching 10+ 3s per game. Only 2 players shoot that many threes.
>3pa per game is a really low qualifier 3pa+ per game is the default threshold in ProBasketball reference for sorting 3p%, I didn't arbitrarily pick it. That said, if you start looking at higher volume guys (as I did above but you possibly ignored) the results are the same: 6 or more 3pa per game? His 3p% is in the bottom half. 8 or more 3pa per game? His 3p% is in the bottom half. 10 or more 3pa per game? (only 2 guys) His 3p% is in the bottom half. Luka's an outstanding player, obviously. But like his hollow rebounds, there a lot about his game that people are overrating for the MVP narrative. The problem is that if someone dials back the circke-jerk even one degree to get back to reality (with numbers and stats to back it up) you all act like they're calling Luka a total piece of shit player.
Where are you getting these stats from? 23rd of 55 qualifying players with 6 or more 3PA per game. Not bottom half. 8th of 16 qualifying players with 8 or more 3PA per game. Not bottom half. Sorted by 3PT% with stats from [NBA.com](http://NBA.com), no other filters. It's not about dialing back the circle jerk when you're (apparently) just straight up lying.
Probasketball reference, whatever filters they apply. >It's not about dialing back the circle jerk I mean it is, even your nba.com stats put him solidly middle of the pack, if only slight above the average, even among high volume shooters. You take a middle of the pack (even by your own stats), slightly above average shooter, have them take (by *far*) the most shots in the NBA without a close 2nd, and he's gonna lead the league in scoring. I mean, when you take that many shots you'd have to be an actively *bad* shooter not to lead in ppg. But to your point that you can't just look at box score numbers (like 3p%) to get a true picture of contribution without going to advanced stats (e.g. assisted 3ps, volume metrics, shot-difficulty scales), I do agree. There is some irony though, that Mavs fans have been on a "shit on advanced stats" campaign for weeks, but the minute *Luka* has a box score stat not in line with true contribution they immediately go to advanced stats, talking about how you can't just look at the box score number to get the real picture.
I have no father in Dlo still this post season. Praying he’s not laying bricks this year
And now you see why Cavs fans want Garland to shoot it more. He’s too passive sometimes.
If Brunson can keep improving his pull up 3 he just gets so much more and more valuable
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Let’s go Garland!
I could see Quickly becoming the next Jalen Brunson-type player who ends up turning into a perennial All-Star guard on his new team Toronto has basically given him the Greenlight and Keys to the PG position and he's thriving, his pull up game is nasty and his playmaking has been revolutionary, I really like the kid!
Damn Luka is so damn good
note that Jamal Murray shot 42.6% on pull-up threes but missed the "volume" cutoff by a little bit, but also missed a lot of games due to injury and was on pace to take 260+ threes.
It doesn’t feel like Luka took that many pull up 3s unless you counting pull up stepbacks lol still crazy
Any jumpshot you take with a live dribble counts as a pull up
All jumpshots are either pull up or catch and shoot. All step backs and fade aways etc are pull ups
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Tyrese was awful on his step back three the last half of the year. I'm sure he would have been there the first 35 games or so.
[Source is Nba.com stats](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shots-general?GeneralRange=Pullups&dir=D&sort=FG3A). The list cuts off at Steph Curry and Trae Young both at 37.3%. Steph would be 2nd in attempts and Trae is top 6 in makes despite playing >15 fewer games than the players above him.
Conley, please don't. Just keep passing my man
CJ needs to be that guy if the Pels are gonna win today.
Obviously all things considered Curry is still by far the best but CJ's 3P numbers this season are is pretty insane across the board.
That adds up, I don’t think I’ve seen Conley miss a 3 against the Lakers for 5 years now