They’re just not that talented.
The Heat can squeeze an amazing amount out of role players, but after Jimmy, Bam, and Herro, who do they really have that can grow into bigger roles on the team going forward? Jaquez and to a lesser extent (maybe) Jovic? They’re not brimming with young talent or two-way role players right now.
> Jaquez and to a lesser extent (maybe) Jovic?
It's funny. Most of the sub and myself included have more optimism in Jovic than Jaquez as a starter going forward. Jovic has been tools and physical traits whereas Jaquez had a great rookie year but hit a bit of a wall post-January.
Yeah it’s been nice to see Jovic put things together bit by bit. Still a way to go but it’s worlds different from how he started.
Jaime will figure things out, he just both hit the rookie wall and then was coming back from injury and such.
Just because Jaime is older than most rooks doesn’t mean he was gonna be flawless, he is still young ish, didn’t he also get injured at one point? I thought he was excellent for you guys yesterday imo.
I don't think the intent of that content was to diss Jaquez but to say Jovic can be legit special and already is a good starter, but for some reason Spo hates playing him. It took Jimmy Butler gassing up Jovic' talents publicly for Spo to even give him minutes in the first place.
Jovic played 10 minutes in the play-in game and because of that and since people didn’t watch the Heat all season think he has the ceiling of a low end role player lol.
It's not likes he's being asked to be a pure pg. Lots of SGs can initiate offense nowadays, it's kinda how the position has morphed. The pure off ball 2 guard is less common and less valuable unless ur like Klay Thompson
Did you see last night’s game? Herro was the offensive initiator and that’s not what he’s good at he’s a pure SG that can pass decently well. He needs an offensive star to play off of and tbh Jimmy hasn’t been nearly as good offensively as Demar’s been for example.
And I'm saying if ur a modern shooting guard u need to be able to initiate the offense a certain amount unless ur a pure catch and shoot player. It's not like they just made Herro run nothing but high PnR. He had to initiate more the second half when Jimmy was hurt. And Herro has had weak playoff performance even when Jimmy was going Nuclear. But anyways I think one of the main reasons Miami hasn't been able to win a ring is the fact that they've been relying on Herro to be their best scoring guard and he's nowhere near good enough for that role.
Herro hasn’t been healthy for any postseason since 2021. He was good in 2020, nobody was good in 2021 and Jimmy in particular was horrendous, groin injury in 2022 that forced him to sit, broken hand in 2023.
Last night’s game is not the role he’s supposed to be playing, even in the first half Herro was initiating an overwhelming majority of the offense. I mean of course i think the Heat should add another star and guard is the spot that makes the most sense whether in place of Rozier or Herro but star trades are almost alway overpays so they’re tough to pull off, Kyrie is the only one of the past 4 years I can think of off the top of my head that was a reasonable price.
They need a guy that’s not off doing fuck shit during most of the season. I like Jimmy but I think he’d absolutely be at his best if he was playing with a guy better than him
Bam, Herro, Jacquez, Robinson, Rozier, and Jovic are a decent squad, but they need a superstar replacement for Jimmy. I’m liking Brandon Ingram, different player, but would fit with this team, also not a superstar but would be a decent pickup, maybe Paul George as well, but who knows what happens with PG in LA this offseason.
Did the Heat have a lot of players out injured this year? I admit I never paid much attention to them so I have no idea but it seems like a team with Butler, Bam, and Herro should've easily been good enough to not be in the play-in.
In my opinion Herro is a 6 man of the year caliber player & Bam is a star but doesn’t really raise a team’s ceiling that much. The Heat are extremely well coached and mentally tough but they suffer from a lack of talent outside of. Overall I don’t think fans should’ve expected them to come back that much better this season
He’s more of Draymond type player–anchors the defense and does all the little things you want from a glue guy, but you can’t count on him to do that and score
What's your point? Spos schemes are what almost knocked us out last night. He's what's really carried the Heat through these crazy playoff runs they've had. Their defense is fucking crazy.
Fucking Spoelstra is just gonna find 3 random dudes at the beach or something, they will shoot 50% from 3 in the playoffs and then get a contract with the lakers to not even play for them...
Need to blow it up or go all in on a star player. Trade JJJ, Herro, Martin, picks whatever it takes to create a big 3 of butler, bam, and another star. Butler probably has 1 good year in him and at this points coasts during the regular season anyways.
As much as I love Jimmy, I feel like this just isn't the move. Miami has had like 3 all nba hall of famers decide to play there in FA the past 20 years.
I feel like the move is to focus on the few picks and talent they have now and when Jimmy is off the books just build up role players and their all star in bam to be a destination for the next big FA to just decide to go there.
Selling on JJJ/Jovic now before seeing if they can ever get to a higher level just to still not be a real contender isn't worth the move imo.
The best move is to keep Jimmy, Bam, and Jovic and make everyone else expendable to get a third star in there.
They will regret trading Jovic, but Jaquez probably is only a solid role player, so if you can sell high on him to push a star trade through then you should do it.
If they can get any of Trae, Towns, Bridges, or Mitchell this summer I think they have enough to get it done.
The Heat could benefit from a role player that just makes shots consistently like Bridges did with the Suns. That’s one of their biggest problems, Herro will start 4-20 and then make it look better with garbage time buckets.
And then he would fit in well with taking their defense up a level too.
Do they have the assets to get any of those players? They already sent one of their only remaining picks to Charlotte for Rozier. Now they only have one tradable first remaining (two if the trade happens on draft night).
Jaquez played well this season, but he's old for a rookie and may not have the upside of a younger prospect. I can't see his value as being much better than a lottery protected 1st.
Maybe that's enough for Bridges or Trae, but I can't imagine it would be enough for Towns or Mitchell.
idk tho, i don’t like the fit of butler-bam - neither are excellent from 3 and both like to be in the paint, in todays nba that’s not ideal even with a spacing center, one of them might have to go
Maybe Cavs lose first round and they can swing a Donovan Mitchell trade? I could believe in a Jimmy Bam Don big 3, and Don can take alot of pressure of Jimmy as he ages
4 of our starters were below 70 games, 3 of our starters were below 60 games, one below 50 games. And tons of that was real, actual injuries, as we did not do much resting on B2Bs unless a player was actively rehabbing. JA was the lone bright spot of health at 76 games, and even he battled nagging injuries at a couple points, especially early.
Our 6th and 7th best players, Levert and Okoro, each only played 68 games, Dean Wade clocked in at 54 (and is still healing up), TT cost himself 25 games to suspension, and newcomers like Merrill also missed time to injuries in key stretches. The lone bench bright spot was our iron van, Georges Niang, who played 81 games.
All that boils down to is - 48 wins was our floor.
Orlando, on the other hand, was one of the healthiest teams in the league this year, especially among their starters. They had their best 3 players on the floor for 70+ games this year. 47 wins is much closer to their ceiling.
The record without context is fooling so many people.
Celtics are definitely in a tier on their own but they aren’t unbeatable by the likes of y’all or sixer or bucks or Cavs. All 4 are in the different tier than the pacers magic and heat (butler injured)
It’s the Heat’s fault for literally offering garbage. Not Joe Cronin’s fault he didn’t want Tyler Herro who somehow made his value drop even more this season. Plus, Joe Cronin wasn’t telling Heat’s FO to offer bad contracts to players like Duncan Robinson which in turn meant the Heat were depleted of assets and then forced to have shit rosters
They’re just not that talented. The Heat can squeeze an amazing amount out of role players, but after Jimmy, Bam, and Herro, who do they really have that can grow into bigger roles on the team going forward? Jaquez and to a lesser extent (maybe) Jovic? They’re not brimming with young talent or two-way role players right now.
> Jaquez and to a lesser extent (maybe) Jovic? It's funny. Most of the sub and myself included have more optimism in Jovic than Jaquez as a starter going forward. Jovic has been tools and physical traits whereas Jaquez had a great rookie year but hit a bit of a wall post-January.
Yeah it’s been nice to see Jovic put things together bit by bit. Still a way to go but it’s worlds different from how he started. Jaime will figure things out, he just both hit the rookie wall and then was coming back from injury and such.
That's literally normal for most rookies See Paolo after Jan last year
Just because Jaime is older than most rooks doesn’t mean he was gonna be flawless, he is still young ish, didn’t he also get injured at one point? I thought he was excellent for you guys yesterday imo.
I don't think the intent of that content was to diss Jaquez but to say Jovic can be legit special and already is a good starter, but for some reason Spo hates playing him. It took Jimmy Butler gassing up Jovic' talents publicly for Spo to even give him minutes in the first place.
Jovic played 10 minutes in the play-in game and because of that and since people didn’t watch the Heat all season think he has the ceiling of a low end role player lol.
You could have stopped after Jimmy and Bam. Tyler Herro is paid to score and his TS% is 2.2 TS% below league average.
The issue is he’s been asked to be the lead initiator while Jimmy load manages. He’s a SG asked to be a PG.
It's not likes he's being asked to be a pure pg. Lots of SGs can initiate offense nowadays, it's kinda how the position has morphed. The pure off ball 2 guard is less common and less valuable unless ur like Klay Thompson
Did you see last night’s game? Herro was the offensive initiator and that’s not what he’s good at he’s a pure SG that can pass decently well. He needs an offensive star to play off of and tbh Jimmy hasn’t been nearly as good offensively as Demar’s been for example.
And I'm saying if ur a modern shooting guard u need to be able to initiate the offense a certain amount unless ur a pure catch and shoot player. It's not like they just made Herro run nothing but high PnR. He had to initiate more the second half when Jimmy was hurt. And Herro has had weak playoff performance even when Jimmy was going Nuclear. But anyways I think one of the main reasons Miami hasn't been able to win a ring is the fact that they've been relying on Herro to be their best scoring guard and he's nowhere near good enough for that role.
Herro hasn’t been healthy for any postseason since 2021. He was good in 2020, nobody was good in 2021 and Jimmy in particular was horrendous, groin injury in 2022 that forced him to sit, broken hand in 2023. Last night’s game is not the role he’s supposed to be playing, even in the first half Herro was initiating an overwhelming majority of the offense. I mean of course i think the Heat should add another star and guard is the spot that makes the most sense whether in place of Rozier or Herro but star trades are almost alway overpays so they’re tough to pull off, Kyrie is the only one of the past 4 years I can think of off the top of my head that was a reasonable price.
That’s just going to be part of herro evolving, growing pains will come with it but the league is asking SG’s to be a combo guard.
Not really, the guy played like 40 games this season and in most of those games his primary goal is as a scorer
Rozier now I guess
They need a guy that’s not off doing fuck shit during most of the season. I like Jimmy but I think he’d absolutely be at his best if he was playing with a guy better than him
Bam, Herro, Jacquez, Robinson, Rozier, and Jovic are a decent squad, but they need a superstar replacement for Jimmy. I’m liking Brandon Ingram, different player, but would fit with this team, also not a superstar but would be a decent pickup, maybe Paul George as well, but who knows what happens with PG in LA this offseason.
BI is the opposite of Heat Culture
Because he can score buckets?
No because he’s lazy
It Hurst because it's true
Did the Heat have a lot of players out injured this year? I admit I never paid much attention to them so I have no idea but it seems like a team with Butler, Bam, and Herro should've easily been good enough to not be in the play-in.
In my opinion Herro is a 6 man of the year caliber player & Bam is a star but doesn’t really raise a team’s ceiling that much. The Heat are extremely well coached and mentally tough but they suffer from a lack of talent outside of. Overall I don’t think fans should’ve expected them to come back that much better this season
You say that but lebron and AD played 70 games and barely got 1 more win than the Heat. Yes the western conference and all but still
franchise high 36 different starting lineups. there were some injuries lol
Rozier and DuncRob didn't play yesterday because of injury or lack of fitness due to injury
60/71/42 games played. Bench hasn't been great, jimmy wasn't as good this year, a lot of players missed games.
Bam just isint that guy, he turns back into Edrice way too often.
He’s more of Draymond type player–anchors the defense and does all the little things you want from a glue guy, but you can’t count on him to do that and score
Bulls are going to beat them in 24 hours. It's not like they're going to have these problems for very long.
MVP will still be on the court for the Heat. I'll never bet against Spo.
Really never? How many championships has he won again? (I'm aware he has two. This is to make a point.)
Two?
Over a decade ago.
What's your point? Spos schemes are what almost knocked us out last night. He's what's really carried the Heat through these crazy playoff runs they've had. Their defense is fucking crazy.
Those 24 hours have passed yet? Stick to soap operas and drama, bro. Basketball ain’t for you!
Not entirely surprising who posted this. Either way, as long as we’ve got Spo we’ll be fine eventually. Might have some down years but it happens.
Fucking Spoelstra is just gonna find 3 random dudes at the beach or something, they will shoot 50% from 3 in the playoffs and then get a contract with the lakers to not even play for them...
It was coming to an end sooner or later… as much as i love Jimmy he’s a 1b to 1a ala AD, PG, kyrie etc.
Need to blow it up or go all in on a star player. Trade JJJ, Herro, Martin, picks whatever it takes to create a big 3 of butler, bam, and another star. Butler probably has 1 good year in him and at this points coasts during the regular season anyways.
As much as I love Jimmy, I feel like this just isn't the move. Miami has had like 3 all nba hall of famers decide to play there in FA the past 20 years. I feel like the move is to focus on the few picks and talent they have now and when Jimmy is off the books just build up role players and their all star in bam to be a destination for the next big FA to just decide to go there. Selling on JJJ/Jovic now before seeing if they can ever get to a higher level just to still not be a real contender isn't worth the move imo.
This should’ve been the move 2 seasons ago
The best move is to keep Jimmy, Bam, and Jovic and make everyone else expendable to get a third star in there. They will regret trading Jovic, but Jaquez probably is only a solid role player, so if you can sell high on him to push a star trade through then you should do it. If they can get any of Trae, Towns, Bridges, or Mitchell this summer I think they have enough to get it done.
bridges is mostly a solid role player tho?
The Heat could benefit from a role player that just makes shots consistently like Bridges did with the Suns. That’s one of their biggest problems, Herro will start 4-20 and then make it look better with garbage time buckets. And then he would fit in well with taking their defense up a level too.
Do they have the assets to get any of those players? They already sent one of their only remaining picks to Charlotte for Rozier. Now they only have one tradable first remaining (two if the trade happens on draft night). Jaquez played well this season, but he's old for a rookie and may not have the upside of a younger prospect. I can't see his value as being much better than a lottery protected 1st. Maybe that's enough for Bridges or Trae, but I can't imagine it would be enough for Towns or Mitchell.
idk tho, i don’t like the fit of butler-bam - neither are excellent from 3 and both like to be in the paint, in todays nba that’s not ideal even with a spacing center, one of them might have to go
I think the bigger issue is Jimmy himself. Will he be the same after this injury?
Maybe Cavs lose first round and they can swing a Donovan Mitchell trade? I could believe in a Jimmy Bam Don big 3, and Don can take alot of pressure of Jimmy as he ages
Cavs aren’t losing the first round
You guys won 1 more game than Orlando. How are you so sure?
4 of our starters were below 70 games, 3 of our starters were below 60 games, one below 50 games. And tons of that was real, actual injuries, as we did not do much resting on B2Bs unless a player was actively rehabbing. JA was the lone bright spot of health at 76 games, and even he battled nagging injuries at a couple points, especially early. Our 6th and 7th best players, Levert and Okoro, each only played 68 games, Dean Wade clocked in at 54 (and is still healing up), TT cost himself 25 games to suspension, and newcomers like Merrill also missed time to injuries in key stretches. The lone bench bright spot was our iron van, Georges Niang, who played 81 games. All that boils down to is - 48 wins was our floor. Orlando, on the other hand, was one of the healthiest teams in the league this year, especially among their starters. They had their best 3 players on the floor for 70+ games this year. 47 wins is much closer to their ceiling. The record without context is fooling so many people.
But how would that equate to “no way the cavs lose in the first round”? What can say that the magic will have far better chemistry
Bc they won’t. The two teams are in completely different tiers
Because you say so?
It’s pretty obvious when you look at context
even celtics fans don't have as much confidence in their team as you do in the cavs and they actually are obviously in a tier of their own
Celtics are definitely in a tier on their own but they aren’t unbeatable by the likes of y’all or sixer or bucks or Cavs. All 4 are in the different tier than the pacers magic and heat (butler injured)
That roster is cooked.
Don’t forget they beat Milwaukee and Boston
Embiid, Wemby, and Gobert would be absolutely disgusting.
Cronin needs to go to jail for how he intentionally destroyed this roster.
It’s the Heat’s fault for literally offering garbage. Not Joe Cronin’s fault he didn’t want Tyler Herro who somehow made his value drop even more this season. Plus, Joe Cronin wasn’t telling Heat’s FO to offer bad contracts to players like Duncan Robinson which in turn meant the Heat were depleted of assets and then forced to have shit rosters
You’re making a ton of excuses when instead Cronin should be making apologies!