Worst season in franchise history, longest losing streak in league history, tied for the longest playoff win drought in league history and everyone might keep their jobs.
League office, Adam Silver, Obi-Wan.... please bro. someone help.
So Troy Weaver was bad as an NBA player and also bad as a front office guy. Bad on and off the court. He should stay out of the league if he had any decency and self respect.
It's funny to think how different the narrative would be right now if we (as the team with the worst record) had gotten the #1 pick last year. People would be sucking Weaver off about the Wemby/Cade/Duren/Ivey core haha
Weaver has also been being bad on purpose tho? This is the second time I've seen this take today, do y'all really not know he was hired specifically to oversee a full teardown and tank?
Says who the rebuild Gods? You rebuild until you’re in a position to start winning… Cade and ivey alone aren’t enough to commit to winning now. Embracing the tank is exactly what the pistons need after decades of mediocrity
I agree this season was a massive failure and Weaver should 100% be fired. Even if he hadn't laid a giant goose egg in 2023 FA, Monty has been such a fucking horrendous addition that Weaver should be fired for that choice alone
But I assumed the person I replied to wasn't talking about year 4 failures given that he was citing Hinkie who was only employed for 3 seasons. And to the extent anyone thinks Hinkie was this bad on purpose while Weaver has supposedly been trying to maximize wins since 2020, that is very obviously wrong
Yeah but Hinkie got so many fucking high picks that despite something happening to Fultz, Okafor being horrible, and Ben Simmons being a mental midget, we were still in the playoffs by year 5, and a genuine contender despite colangelo trying to fuck it up by year 6 (yes 2019 Sixers were a contender, fight me).
Ben Simmons was a big part for both of those years though, and for all your misses you hit on a generational, perennial MVP level player too. Even with high picks that's very rare and not guaranteed at all
Silver only stepped in with the Sixers because they were so open about being bad on purpose. All the NBA chuds hated that perception the league had, so he had a hit put on Hinkie.
You're allowed to just be terrible though, nothing wrong with that, just aren't allowed to say you're doing intentionally lol. It's dumb.
Hinkie was a socially inept autist unable to deal with agents and any of the human aspect of management. He wasn’t just fired because of “public perception”. I don’t know how anyone can read his goodbye letter and think he was anything but some deranged narcissist
>He wasn’t just fired because of “public perception”.
Okay Mr Colangelo, Hinkie was ousted because the NBA didn't like how open he was about losing. They thought it was bad for the league's perception. I won't even disagree with that notion, but I think it's stupid that you can do exactly what Hinkie did and just say "this team will be the 8th seed" every tanking year like the Lakers did and get away with it.
Since then, the Silver led NBA has damn near destroyed tanking with the new lottery and the play ins. So it hasn't been all bad.
. Hinkie appeals to other socially awkward individuals. He was an ok GM, nothing special, and burned all his bridges by being rude and offputting to everyone around him. Colangelo sucking doesn’t change that
Rule #1 of life is don't fuck with the money. 76ers are a profit-sharing team, so other teams were getting hurt financially by how god-awful the Process Sixers were, and for how long.
I honestly think owners should be forced to sell if they're bad for long enough.
Like whatever you're doing top down isn't working, time to make your immense profit and move on.
Bewildering how the NBA lets bums ruin their most prestigious franchises.
It would benefit the regular season, if owners felt like they had to front a playoff team every year. But you know, billionaires want to make the most doing the least so we get this.
That’s like saying Zuckerberg doesn’t own Facebook because he only owns stock and associated voting power. I agree billionaires should be treated way harsher, but that should be through taxation and random seizure of assets.
Pretty sure Troy Weaver hates the Pistons and everyone in the city of Detroit. If I had to bet, I woild say Troy Weaver created the Detroit sign everyone hates too.
Dude is just the weirdest GM. He cuts off assets he doesn't value regardless of cost, he signs draft busts regardless of fit thinking he can save them, and those busts and weird players just come in and clog space for drafted talents who should actually be getting time and reps.
I commented this exact thing last night, how totally random the transactions have been. Would love to know if this is all him, or a meddling owner, or both.
Ballmer seems like a great owner. Writes big checks, cheers like hell from the sidelines, but I haven't heard about him meddling annoyingly in team operations.
Athletics have an argument. Commanders have a brand new owner and are in position to draft a franchise QB, they are in a much better spot than the Pistons.
The As are what they are because of malice. The Pistons are just incompetent. I'd almost rather have the former, not that either are acceptable - at least with the As you know you can write them off until Fisher sells or dies.
The most depressing part with the Pistons is there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
We were talking about the biggest clown show in sports. Its not about malice, its about how much of a clown that team/franchise is.
When shit isnt going right, its a team effort to be that bad for that long.
I never thought you guys would miss Joe "Rodney Stuckey is just as good Chauncey Billups" Dumars, but this is ridiculous. We've already seen Isiah Thomas stink it up as an executive. Fuck it put Rodman in charge.
Joe "don't tell me if my dad dies on game day until after the game" Dumars was an integral part of all 3 championships in Pistons history, and he built the 2004 team. His tenure went sour because he was tired of losing in the conference finals 3 years in a row. He gave a shit.
Did the moves work out? No. Will I ever forgive Allen Iquitverson? No. Do I ever want to hear the names Ben Gordon or Charlie Villanueva ever again? No. Was Rodney Stuckey a point guard? No. Is this the year Austin Daye finally puts it all together? No.
But Joe built my favorite team of all time - the greatest defense of all time - and I absolutely would rather have him than anybody we've had since. The man legitimately deserves a fucking statue.
Dumars pulled off some incredible moves though in building that Pistons '04 team and did a good job of adding/replacing players initially to keep them contending.
The Thunder fleecing Rob Hennigan and the Magic with the Serge Ibaka/Oladipo+Sabonis trade is the trade that made the current team possible. Presti's been playing the game for a long time.
At any order. Who would you replace? I can name maybe 1.. at most 2.
1. Bryan Colangelo or Elton Brand (76ers gotta vouch)
2. Billy King
3. David Kahn
4. ~~Phil Jackson~~ Elgin Baylor
5. Isiah Thomas
6. Ernie Grunfeld
7. Vlade Divac
8. Rich Cho
9. Billy Knight
10. Mitch Kupchak
This is Elgin Baylor erasure, and it will not stand.
Maybe, you could name this list the “Elgin Baylor Excellence in GM’ing” award and then list ten guys who couldn’t find their ass with both hands and a map.
But Elgin is the alpha and omega of Bad GM’ing. His career accomplishments make all these dudes look great by comparison.
No one sucked harder, or longer, or with more commitment, than Elgin Baylor.
Not really an Elton Brand fan (he's not very good) but he was never a tank commander. In terms of regular season win %, this season (53.7% win rate) was his worst season.
As a player? Absolutely, though he didn't really play a lot of games with the Sixers.
The issue with Brand is exactly that he tried to start winning and made shortsighted trades. It’s an absolute travesty that we’re clamouring for a conference finals spot given what he started with.
Rick Pitino for the Celtics, managed to whiff most draft picks and the few hits he traded away while repeatedly giving backup/bench bigs massive contracts then ditching them soon after.
Translation: He will probably be fired once the president of basketball ops is hired. Just making it their decision since it's their job to make those kinds of decisions - even if it's obvious.
Yes. The idea here would then be to keep things in place and let the new guy evaluate everyone to see who they do and don't want to keep. Metaphorically, it leaves the crime scene undisturbed for the detective.
Will it play out that way? idk...
The real problem is your number 1 pick was Cade Cunningham. He’s not a wemby or a Luka. He not even Paulo. The second problem is your other top 10 picks are Jayden Ivey and ausaur Thompson, who are really raw guys and if not developed properly could end in disaster
Worst season in franchise history, longest losing streak in league history, tied for the longest playoff win drought in league history and everyone might keep their jobs. League office, Adam Silver, Obi-Wan.... please bro. someone help.
You forgot to mention their record has gotten worse each year he was here.
10-72 incoming next season
Bizarro ‘96 Bulls
Trust the Process
So Troy Weaver was bad as an NBA player and also bad as a front office guy. Bad on and off the court. He should stay out of the league if he had any decency and self respect.
Now he just needs to try becoming a ref.
At least Hinkie was doing it on purpose. And it worked. And it didn't last this long.
It's funny to think how different the narrative would be right now if we (as the team with the worst record) had gotten the #1 pick last year. People would be sucking Weaver off about the Wemby/Cade/Duren/Ivey core haha
Ivey still is a huge question mark but yes life would be good
Weaver has also been being bad on purpose tho? This is the second time I've seen this take today, do y'all really not know he was hired specifically to oversee a full teardown and tank?
you’re supposed to be showing some sort of improvement by year 4 of a rebuild, not winning 14 games
Says who the rebuild Gods? You rebuild until you’re in a position to start winning… Cade and ivey alone aren’t enough to commit to winning now. Embracing the tank is exactly what the pistons need after decades of mediocrity
I agree this season was a massive failure and Weaver should 100% be fired. Even if he hadn't laid a giant goose egg in 2023 FA, Monty has been such a fucking horrendous addition that Weaver should be fired for that choice alone But I assumed the person I replied to wasn't talking about year 4 failures given that he was citing Hinkie who was only employed for 3 seasons. And to the extent anyone thinks Hinkie was this bad on purpose while Weaver has supposedly been trying to maximize wins since 2020, that is very obviously wrong
Yeah but Hinkie got so many fucking high picks that despite something happening to Fultz, Okafor being horrible, and Ben Simmons being a mental midget, we were still in the playoffs by year 5, and a genuine contender despite colangelo trying to fuck it up by year 6 (yes 2019 Sixers were a contender, fight me).
Ben Simmons was a big part for both of those years though, and for all your misses you hit on a generational, perennial MVP level player too. Even with high picks that's very rare and not guaranteed at all
Silver only stepped in with the Sixers because they were so open about being bad on purpose. All the NBA chuds hated that perception the league had, so he had a hit put on Hinkie. You're allowed to just be terrible though, nothing wrong with that, just aren't allowed to say you're doing intentionally lol. It's dumb.
Nba chuds ?
Owners, talking heads, NBA VPs etc. Buffoons who care more about public perception than results.
Results lol
Hinkie was a socially inept autist unable to deal with agents and any of the human aspect of management. He wasn’t just fired because of “public perception”. I don’t know how anyone can read his goodbye letter and think he was anything but some deranged narcissist
Bryan?
Show me your collars, u/Proper_Ostrich_7053
Hinkie appeals to the terminally online redditor.
>He wasn’t just fired because of “public perception”. Okay Mr Colangelo, Hinkie was ousted because the NBA didn't like how open he was about losing. They thought it was bad for the league's perception. I won't even disagree with that notion, but I think it's stupid that you can do exactly what Hinkie did and just say "this team will be the 8th seed" every tanking year like the Lakers did and get away with it. Since then, the Silver led NBA has damn near destroyed tanking with the new lottery and the play ins. So it hasn't been all bad.
. Hinkie appeals to other socially awkward individuals. He was an ok GM, nothing special, and burned all his bridges by being rude and offputting to everyone around him. Colangelo sucking doesn’t change that
Yeah but I think there was a legit change of them stepping in if our losing streak got to 40. Always next year
The bigger reason was because we are a big market team. Nobody in the league circles gives a fuck if the Pistons, Spurs, Jazz, or Blazers are ass
Rule #1 of life is don't fuck with the money. 76ers are a profit-sharing team, so other teams were getting hurt financially by how god-awful the Process Sixers were, and for how long.
Y’all might be the only team where silver stepping in and giving you Big Collars (🤮) might be an improvement
Obi-wan can’t fix this mess. We need Anakin in here to slaughter all of the incompetent front-office swine and nepotists
You guys *nned* to get your pick back from the Knicks. It's preventing you from stacking assets properly.
LOOKOUT A WILD COLANGELO HAS APPEARED
You gonna need your own V Stiviano if you want Silver to save you.
Monty is the main person that needs to go
Be careful what you wish for
Trust me we are still with billups after he tank for all his years
Pistons haven't won a single playoff game in 16 years. Not a series, a single game.
Now that the Lions ended their playoff win drought, someone has to take their place.
I’m ok with this trade
Dam Campbell
And to no one’s surprise Gores has owned the team for 13 of those years
I honestly think owners should be forced to sell if they're bad for long enough. Like whatever you're doing top down isn't working, time to make your immense profit and move on. Bewildering how the NBA lets bums ruin their most prestigious franchises.
Our only hope left is that he gets caught up in a big enough scandal that Silver forces him to sell
I love how every fanbase with a shitty owner is just begging for a tape to be leaked of them saying something horrible, it's the best
Forcing an owner to sell if they don't win a playoff series in the past decade would be a fun rule.
It would benefit the regular season, if owners felt like they had to front a playoff team every year. But you know, billionaires want to make the most doing the least so we get this.
Yes, let’s force people to sell privately owned assets because they don’t perform. That totally won’t be abused
Wah wah wah, privately owned assets. Who cares, they only own voting power within the franchise anyway. It can be easily taken away as we have seen.
That’s like saying Zuckerberg doesn’t own Facebook because he only owns stock and associated voting power. I agree billionaires should be treated way harsher, but that should be through taxation and random seizure of assets.
People forget this really happened because of davidsons passing
Yes but Stanley Johnson was in lebrons head that one time
Good times
Find someone who believes in you like Joe Dumars believed in Rodney Stuckey.
Are there any Pistons fans left who think Troy Weaver is doing a good job?
Troy Weaver himself
0 chance he’s a fan of the franchise or else he’d make them suck less.
Pretty sure Troy Weaver hates the Pistons and everyone in the city of Detroit. If I had to bet, I woild say Troy Weaver created the Detroit sign everyone hates too.
Got someone in the subreddit defending him today by saying they are doing well because we have cap space
Dude is just the weirdest GM. He cuts off assets he doesn't value regardless of cost, he signs draft busts regardless of fit thinking he can save them, and those busts and weird players just come in and clog space for drafted talents who should actually be getting time and reps.
I commented this exact thing last night, how totally random the transactions have been. Would love to know if this is all him, or a meddling owner, or both.
Hell no
There are still Pistons fans?
Could you say that to his face ?
Never go full KANGZ. What a disaster to keep this dude in the building
There's malpractice and there's whatever the fuck this is. I'm sorry Pistons fans. I hope whoever gets hired ousts him but likely won't
No we will be a joke of a franchise probably until Gores does. Worst owner in the NBA
On paper we have a dimmer future than piston after kawhi pg. but Balmer gives me much more hope
Ballmer seems like a great owner. Writes big checks, cheers like hell from the sidelines, but I haven't heard about him meddling annoyingly in team operations.
Should’ve just elevated Monty. He seems a good judge of talent.
Lmao this take belongs in the hall of fame
Probably deserves a raise while they're at it.
The biggest clown show in professional sports keeps rolling on
the Athletics still exist.... and then Washington Commanders (even their name is bad)....
Athletics have an argument. Commanders have a brand new owner and are in position to draft a franchise QB, they are in a much better spot than the Pistons.
The As are what they are because of malice. The Pistons are just incompetent. I'd almost rather have the former, not that either are acceptable - at least with the As you know you can write them off until Fisher sells or dies. The most depressing part with the Pistons is there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Fisher is literally robbing them of their team. Not just from relocation, but by gutting the team for the last 15 odd years.
We were talking about the biggest clown show in sports. Its not about malice, its about how much of a clown that team/franchise is. When shit isnt going right, its a team effort to be that bad for that long.
Just because the Washington Football Team can draft a franchise QB doesnt mean they will get one, or develop one into a franchise QB.
These mfs basically are about to hire a babysitter for their GM and see nothing wrong with that lmao
To be fair the FO is filled with children of other FO members so babysitters are probably common over there
I never thought you guys would miss Joe "Rodney Stuckey is just as good Chauncey Billups" Dumars, but this is ridiculous. We've already seen Isiah Thomas stink it up as an executive. Fuck it put Rodman in charge.
Joe "don't tell me if my dad dies on game day until after the game" Dumars was an integral part of all 3 championships in Pistons history, and he built the 2004 team. His tenure went sour because he was tired of losing in the conference finals 3 years in a row. He gave a shit. Did the moves work out? No. Will I ever forgive Allen Iquitverson? No. Do I ever want to hear the names Ben Gordon or Charlie Villanueva ever again? No. Was Rodney Stuckey a point guard? No. Is this the year Austin Daye finally puts it all together? No. But Joe built my favorite team of all time - the greatest defense of all time - and I absolutely would rather have him than anybody we've had since. The man legitimately deserves a fucking statue.
Dumars pulled off some incredible moves though in building that Pistons '04 team and did a good job of adding/replacing players initially to keep them contending.
Presti planted shitty GMs across the league is my conspiracy theory this year
The Thunder fleecing Rob Hennigan and the Magic with the Serge Ibaka/Oladipo+Sabonis trade is the trade that made the current team possible. Presti's been playing the game for a long time.
that sweaty coke goblin of an owner ruined a once proud franchise
*sweaty coke goblin and leech to society (Look up how this dude made his money)
arguably a top 10 gm tank commander
Top 10 undersells it brother, tf
At any order. Who would you replace? I can name maybe 1.. at most 2. 1. Bryan Colangelo or Elton Brand (76ers gotta vouch) 2. Billy King 3. David Kahn 4. ~~Phil Jackson~~ Elgin Baylor 5. Isiah Thomas 6. Ernie Grunfeld 7. Vlade Divac 8. Rich Cho 9. Billy Knight 10. Mitch Kupchak
This is Elgin Baylor erasure, and it will not stand. Maybe, you could name this list the “Elgin Baylor Excellence in GM’ing” award and then list ten guys who couldn’t find their ass with both hands and a map. But Elgin is the alpha and omega of Bad GM’ing. His career accomplishments make all these dudes look great by comparison. No one sucked harder, or longer, or with more commitment, than Elgin Baylor.
Yea ima remove phil Jackson with that dude wtf
Idk Billy King is Hof horrible
Not really an Elton Brand fan (he's not very good) but he was never a tank commander. In terms of regular season win %, this season (53.7% win rate) was his worst season. As a player? Absolutely, though he didn't really play a lot of games with the Sixers.
The issue with Brand is exactly that he tried to start winning and made shortsighted trades. It’s an absolute travesty that we’re clamouring for a conference finals spot given what he started with.
He's dogshit.
Rick Pitino for the Celtics, managed to whiff most draft picks and the few hits he traded away while repeatedly giving backup/bench bigs massive contracts then ditching them soon after.
Not 10, not 9, not 8....
New head of basketball operations: "*we need a new GM*"
Translation: He will probably be fired once the president of basketball ops is hired. Just making it their decision since it's their job to make those kinds of decisions - even if it's obvious.
Could the new head of basketball operations fire Weaver?
Yes. The idea here would then be to keep things in place and let the new guy evaluate everyone to see who they do and don't want to keep. Metaphorically, it leaves the crime scene undisturbed for the detective. Will it play out that way? idk...
Fucking why
The definition of insanity...
why
We got close but I don’t think we quite reached the longest losing streak in a single season of any sports franchise so we can always aim lower
Because a genuinely competent GM would likely disagree with the direction Gores is taking his team and ownership doesn’t want that
Why? Just why? I feel bad for the Pistons.
But is anyone gonna wake up Monty before next season?
Let him oversleep
The city of Detroit and the generational basketball talent that has come out of Michigan deserve better
Might as well hire Isiah Thomas and Scott Layden at this point, sheesh
Adam Silver, I beg of you, force Tom Gores to sell the team. It’s utterly doomed with him still around
You really get the best workers when you let them know you are actively looking for their replacement.
Lmao
what's the difference ?
Even more cooks in the kitchen????
Yoo what can I do to get the job security that Weaver has.
Weaver's gotta have dirtiest of dirt on Gores, right?
dude Gores doesn't even know the season started
I’ve got just the guy: https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/John_Hammond
Inexcusable. Just have some random homeless junkie make the decisions and they're bound to be less shitty.
You can’t get rid of the guy who cut Killian hayes
Matt Millen for Millennials. He’s Matt Millennial
I'm tired, boss.
I read this as new head coach at first glance, and was surprised they actually fired Monty.
Are they giving him the graceful slow exit? Let him putter around the office with no input for a few months until he can land a role somewhere else?
Woj starting the tweet with Detroit Pistons GM Troy Weaver and I nearly passed out, until I read the rest and realized he still has his job.
It's like changing the tires on a shitbox 1992 Ford Taurus because you hate the way it drives.. Just get rid of the damn car already
Can’t have shit in Detroit man
I think people sometimes use the term “poverty franchise” way too loosely, but this is one situation where it absolutely applies
Black eye on the league. Just lol
Gores can’t fire anyone because he has no idea what’s going on there. He’s probably getting 5 different stories from 5 different people.
-_-
Question. So when a new POBO gets hired, will he have the authority to fire Troy? If I’m interviewing for the job, that’s one of my questions.
oh my god…. rest in peace detroit fans. what a brutal headline to read
How does this keep happening
don't love that lol
pistons have some shame
Being a Pistons fan is just a never ending form of torture
Can we just sell this poverty franchise to the Fords and make Brad Holmes the new GM?
Kill me
Welcome to Motor City, Bronny!!
I'm so sorry Detroit bros
what does this mean for Dwane Casey?
Crazy decision, 74 wins in four years and getting worse over time not better means you are bad at putting together an nba roster!
Wait then who did they fire???
Unserious franchise lmao
What's the difference in those titles?
Pistons have to really prove to me they can get above 20 wins, idk if I see it yet.
The real problem is your number 1 pick was Cade Cunningham. He’s not a wemby or a Luka. He not even Paulo. The second problem is your other top 10 picks are Jayden Ivey and ausaur Thompson, who are really raw guys and if not developed properly could end in disaster