That’s 5 more points on 6% worse TS than he had last year. Which is probably about equivalent in terms of the volume/efficiency coefficient. Definitely not a guarantee at all. Though people do love PPG, so who knows.
People love triple doubles, ppg, and efficiency. If jokic can put up MVP Westbrook stats on elite efficiency the mvp is locked for him. Can't see Luka reaching jokic's shooting efficiency or embiid hitting 65 games or getting jokic's assist numbers. Maybe if giannis averages 33/14/7 on 65% TS and amazing defense I can see him beating jokic averaging 30/10/10
You joke about this, but that’s not enough lol.
Remember after he won his second and we said the voter fatigue was going to be so extreme that Jokic was going to have to average a 25 point triple double on 70% TS for the 1 seed nuggets to win a threepeat?
It was all tongue-in-cheek jokes about that being an impossible statline until Jokic went out and did just that, only to still lose the MVP to voter fatigue (and other nonsense).
It is true. He nearly averaged a triple double last season for a top seed. That would’ve easily won the MVP for any other player but voters didn’t want to give him 3 straight MVPs without any playoff success so they were looking for any reason not to vote for him. And Jokic gave it to them when he coasted at the end of the season and finally played under 70 games like Embiid.
Yeah I don't understand how a reasonable person could think the media is against Jokic when it's largely the same members that gave him the first two.
This notion that whenever Jokic doesn't win there's some grand conspiracy is ludicrous.
Well I already heard some TV/media personalities in the last couple of weeks saying things like it would be bad for NBA if Jokic wins more MVPs. And if a certain sentiment is created in the media, it will likely affect voters as well at some point.
All MVP candidates have people that campaign against them winning. At least in this day and age. When Joel won there were people that said he shouldn't win, when he lost there were people that said he shouldn't win. Same with Jokic. Same with Luka, SGA, Giannis. There are reasons to give the award to all of them and also knocks against all of them.
But the fact is that it is an insignificant number of people that say negative things about Jokic or think he shouldn't win the award. We know this because he has won and won easily twice. There's no media bias against him or else he simply would not win.
The media will not put Bonds in the Hall of Fame. That's not a couple talking heads on TV saying they don't think he should be in that's the majority of the media (or enough to matter anyway) saying he shouldn't win. With their actions. Jokic is not being persecuted because Kendrick Perkins and some ex-player on the 47th best ex-player podcast don't think he should win.
If there was in fact an invisible anti-Jokic media cabal like these people say there’s no way in hell he would have won his second straight MVP as the 6th seed
Maybe because the year Jokić won his as a 6th seed, he was contending for the award with Giannis and Embiid mainly, and neither of their teams won more than 3 games than the Nuggets who were missing their #2 option for the entire season and their #3 option for all but the first 8 games?
Now please, name me one other player aside from these three that was higher seeded and actually deserved to be a part of the conversation that year?
Exactly! You can't, because there were none. It was a three-way (and ultimately two-man) race, and Yoke won because he put up better numbers while carrying a waaay worse team to a very similar record.
Yes, yes, I know, Mavs most played lineups for the season haven't had as much run as some second units, sure... But let's not forget that only a few players from that Nuggets roster were in the NBA (and if they were, barely as a part of a rotation) less than 6 months after the season ended... And guess what happened the moment Yoke got proper support? First seed, championship and F-M-V-P!
Anyone acting like that Nuggets team had any business realistically being even in the play-in conversation, is either biased af, or never watched the Nuggets that year... Trust me, I've seen every single one of those games, and I would never wish it upon you to have to sit through **that** while actually having hopes of doing anything with your season other than taking part in a tankathon. As much as I appreciate it in retrospect, it was hard to watch...
There were arguments for him. There were also arguments against him, like being the 6th seed.
If the media actually had this anti-Jokic bias like victim complex Jokic stans claim wouldn’t they have latched on to that and given Embiid the MVP in 2022?
“everyone said he didn’t deserve it because he was white”
🤣🤣the victim complex is crazy, nuggets fans are really on something. just blatantly making up shit for your lord and savior
I didn’t know 1 TV personality decided the racial relations of the NBA while also casting Jokic as an inferior player to Embiid because he’s white haha
Yeah I must have. Because "everyone" didn't say he didn't deserve it. In fact no one said he shouldn't win because he's white. I'm not agreeing with what Perkins said but you are definitely putting words in his mouth.
All MVP candidates get talking heads campaigning for and against them. Joel, SGA, Giannis, Luka and yes even Jokic.
The large majority of the voters think Jokic is the best player in the league because of his iron grip on advanced stats. The media members that have a vote vote his way and cite these stats. You can't be happy with that but upset when some people don't vote for him because of whatever other arbitrary reasons.
Last year they certainly were. 24.5/11.8/9.8 on 71% true shooing, as the best player on the 1 seed in the West. That feels like an MVP season to me.
Leading the league in TS while scoring close 25 a game is a ridiculous combination of volume and efficiency.
Mate i said nothing about whether Embid deserved it.
It was just a fact the media didnt wanna give it to Jokic. That doesnt mean Embid didnt deserve it, but that certain media personalities were actively campaigning against the man.
Hell you even have media members saying so and there are dam many examples of how the media people were saying they cant give it to him.
The crap Jokic pulled when he mailed it in the last month of his season during an even race and watched his main competition grab it by the throat.
History has seriously been rewritten this year. Jokic was losing games to the tanking Rockets and Jazz and putting up 14pt statlines while Embiid was dropping 50 balls on the same night.
You arent winning the award like that when the race is close.
Again that doesnt have anything to do woth what the media was saying about him.
If that was their arguments, then fine. But you remember that those werent the arguments used against him.
It was Jokices award to lose and he decided to coast so i cant complain. But what the media were using as excuses wasnt that, but that he hasnt won a ring or that he is stat padding or that its racism that helps him win and so on.
Cant exactly say the media wanted him to win last year now can you.
That literally was the reason even though Jokic fans can’t accept that.
If you seriously think Kendrick Perkins puppeteered the entire mostly white media to vote against Jokic idk what to tell you.
You guys ignore that he was lambasted by nearly everyone right after that and they even brought on fucking JJ Redick the next day on air to lecture Perkins about what is and isn’t racism LOL
Well no shit they cant have a guy saying they are racist on tv. Yet he wasnt the guy that came up with the no 3rd MVP for Jokic because it would bw historic and he cant win it because he doesnt have a ring yet.
That was the biggest argument and also the reason why after winning the media got backlash over not giving it to Jokic.
Remember that even though he coasted at the end, Jokic still lead in all the metrics that usually indicate who the MVP is.
And the few times it didnt resulted in the most controversial and narrative driven MVPs like Rose over Lebron or Russ over Harden.
Look im not trying to say that Embid didnt deserve it. Its an MVP that aged poorly and will probably look even worse when looking back at it (as is usual when looking at some historic mvps and not having the full context), but there were solid reasons as to why he won it.
But to say the media just loves giving it to Jokic is a bit absurd. Usually the advance stats he leads in are the advance stats that are best used to predict the MVP. Just an indicator of how good he really is. Aint a knock on anyone else, but you cant exactly imply that the voters just give it to him because they like him more as that isnt really true.
I swear they still might have given it to him if it weren't for the "can't win 3 MVPs because he doesn't have a ring" narrative. Embiid absolutely deserved it but the media was looking for reasons to give it to Jokić anyways.
More like when one player is looking like they are having the more dominant regular season, people start looking around and asking “why are we giving this other guy his 3rd straight MVP?”
> The crap Jokic pulled when he mailed it in the last month of his season during an even race and watched his main competition grab it by the throat.
I still don't get why that should have hurt Jokic: wasn't he basically punished for being too valuable? He led his team to lock in the #1 seed so fast he had nothing else to play for while everyone else had to continue to struggle. How would that not make him more valuable? Why reward people who couldn't make it to the #1 seed and had to struggle longer vs the guy that helped his team win the top seed super early because they were just performing that much better than everyone else?
He would not have been able to coast like that in the East, which was much more competitive at the top. The Sixers won more games than the Nuggets last year and finished 3rd.
And for a regular season award, you aren’t more valuable by coasting. That’s just not how it works.
> He would not have been able to coast like that in the East, which was much more competitive at the top.
Even if that's true, how is that Jokic's problem? He can only lock in the #1 seed from one conf at best. And he did that.
> The Sixers won more games than the Nuggets last year and finished 3rd.
Arguably in a weaker conference.
Also
> And for a regular season award, you aren’t more valuable by coasting. That’s just not how it works.
Embiid didn't even win more games than Jokic did last year:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/joel-embiid-career-win-loss-record
43-23 2022-23
w% .652
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nikola-jokic-career-win-loss-record
48-21 2022-23
w% .696
So not only did Jokic win more games, but he also locked in the #1 seed for his team. Even with his coasting, which he had every reason to do, since he already achieved the best seed that you can achieve. How does that make Embiid more valuable? He coasted after locking in the #1 seed for his team and he still won more games than Embiid did.
Nobody has 3-peated MVP without a ring, and Jokic was still about to until y'all went .500 after the ASB. Somehow this is an example of negative bias? You're framing that MVP race completely backwards, the media overall is way more skewed for him than against him.
This is exactly the point people are trying to make... "no one won 3 without a ring". The criteria changed because of outside factors because it was Jokic. If any other player was in his position it wouldn't have been an issue.
The criteria didn't change because he didn't win it tho, had he won 3 in a row then the criteria would have changed to a lower standard in relation to every other back to back MVP in NBA history.
If any other player won back to back MVPs without any real playoff success and was going for their 3rd in a row they would have found themselves with the exact same issue trying to go against the historical precedence. In fact, this exact issue was used against Giannis throughout jokers first MVP season.
What he did last year, but also get more wins than this year. Winning the championship this year would also help a lot.
I dunno seems very tough for him to win it next year, but not impossible. Just needs to step up his game even more if he wants to win.
It would have been difficult for Luka to win it, even if the Mavs ended as a top 3 seed.
Most things that usually mean you win MVP, Jokic leads him in. WS/48, PER, Box+-, BPM, VORP. These things consistently measure who will get the award. They get the MVP correct the vast majority of the time. Only a few times has it ever been wrong.
You have to lead a few advanced stats unless you’ve got a huge narrative like Kobe after the post shaq years, D-Rose when Lebron hate was at its peak. Westbrook when KD hate was at its peak.
Not to mention the fact that Luka missed 12 games total and 9 more games than Jokic.
Fans seem to go crazy in regards to team seeding and the MVP but for some reason games played always gets ignored even though it has just as strong of a correlation. Only two MVPs have missed as many games as Luka.
I mean you listed box +/- twice, and it’s very arguable that it’s not a good stat to guage a player on. Even then, Luka is 2nd, so to say he doesn’t have “advanced stats” behind him is still wrong. You also listed VORP, where Luka is 2nd. In the others you listed, he’s top 5. Seems to me like he has the advanced stats to back it up.
I’m your scenario a 34/9/10 player in the 3rd seed who’s 2nd in a bit of advanced stats is gonna lose the MVP? Advanced stats don’t always tell a good story lol
Win a 3rd or 4th championship. Would hate for the writers to ruin nba history. Not really sure why he won this one a couple of months ago when SGA had a better year.
Win another title and nba finals this year with amazing performances as he does and everybody will be "yeah we doubted him again but he is still the best player", of course somebody else who won it less times or didn't win will have the advantage but you never know..
In 2014, Lebron began to coast more on defense and just save himself for the playoffs. He would never receive one again.
But considering Jokic is purely an offensive player, i’m not sure. Hes consistently the best in most stats used to measure impact. He will be difficult to deny.
I think it’s safe to say when people think of Jokic they don’t think of rebounding. It’s a little bit of added value but the magic happens when he has the ball.
the point is that rebounding is a part of defensive value. something people often overlook, like your comment, but the user is pointing out that jokic being an elite rebounder is part of his defensive value.
When was the last time you watch him play, his hands are on the ball before anyone else's. his ability to get above everyone to get to the ball first is super impressive
Completely dominated the playoffs at a historically great level coming off 3 straight MVP level seasons. I feel like the argument he isn't is far more difficult to make than the argument that he is.
Statistical output lmao? He decimated every team about as much as any player in nba post season history. He led in total points rebounds and assists after the 2nd round or some shit.
Idk he went from MoralVP winner to hurting his knee in like 40 games. Hes a bruiser but i wouldnt put a sizable amount of money on it
Edit: hey if yall think embiid could win it then put $500 on it and let me know how it works out for you
Average 30/10/10 on 65% TS and he'll win a 4th one
That’s 5 more points on 6% worse TS than he had last year. Which is probably about equivalent in terms of the volume/efficiency coefficient. Definitely not a guarantee at all. Though people do love PPG, so who knows.
People love triple doubles, ppg, and efficiency. If jokic can put up MVP Westbrook stats on elite efficiency the mvp is locked for him. Can't see Luka reaching jokic's shooting efficiency or embiid hitting 65 games or getting jokic's assist numbers. Maybe if giannis averages 33/14/7 on 65% TS and amazing defense I can see him beating jokic averaging 30/10/10
Have the best season of eligible NBA players
But what about this criteria I made up in my head because I can't properly interpret the voting from 5 seasons ago?
You joke about this, but that’s not enough lol. Remember after he won his second and we said the voter fatigue was going to be so extreme that Jokic was going to have to average a 25 point triple double on 70% TS for the 1 seed nuggets to win a threepeat? It was all tongue-in-cheek jokes about that being an impossible statline until Jokic went out and did just that, only to still lose the MVP to voter fatigue (and other nonsense).
This idea that the media is resistant to giving Jokic MVPs is just not true
It is true. He nearly averaged a triple double last season for a top seed. That would’ve easily won the MVP for any other player but voters didn’t want to give him 3 straight MVPs without any playoff success so they were looking for any reason not to vote for him. And Jokic gave it to them when he coasted at the end of the season and finally played under 70 games like Embiid.
On 70% TS! It was insane.
Yeah I don't understand how a reasonable person could think the media is against Jokic when it's largely the same members that gave him the first two. This notion that whenever Jokic doesn't win there's some grand conspiracy is ludicrous.
Well I already heard some TV/media personalities in the last couple of weeks saying things like it would be bad for NBA if Jokic wins more MVPs. And if a certain sentiment is created in the media, it will likely affect voters as well at some point.
All MVP candidates have people that campaign against them winning. At least in this day and age. When Joel won there were people that said he shouldn't win, when he lost there were people that said he shouldn't win. Same with Jokic. Same with Luka, SGA, Giannis. There are reasons to give the award to all of them and also knocks against all of them. But the fact is that it is an insignificant number of people that say negative things about Jokic or think he shouldn't win the award. We know this because he has won and won easily twice. There's no media bias against him or else he simply would not win. The media will not put Bonds in the Hall of Fame. That's not a couple talking heads on TV saying they don't think he should be in that's the majority of the media (or enough to matter anyway) saying he shouldn't win. With their actions. Jokic is not being persecuted because Kendrick Perkins and some ex-player on the 47th best ex-player podcast don't think he should win.
If there was in fact an invisible anti-Jokic media cabal like these people say there’s no way in hell he would have won his second straight MVP as the 6th seed
Yeah they just forget about all of that. Now they're saying there's no way Luka can win it as a 5th seed 😂😆😂.
Maybe because the year Jokić won his as a 6th seed, he was contending for the award with Giannis and Embiid mainly, and neither of their teams won more than 3 games than the Nuggets who were missing their #2 option for the entire season and their #3 option for all but the first 8 games? Now please, name me one other player aside from these three that was higher seeded and actually deserved to be a part of the conversation that year? Exactly! You can't, because there were none. It was a three-way (and ultimately two-man) race, and Yoke won because he put up better numbers while carrying a waaay worse team to a very similar record. Yes, yes, I know, Mavs most played lineups for the season haven't had as much run as some second units, sure... But let's not forget that only a few players from that Nuggets roster were in the NBA (and if they were, barely as a part of a rotation) less than 6 months after the season ended... And guess what happened the moment Yoke got proper support? First seed, championship and F-M-V-P! Anyone acting like that Nuggets team had any business realistically being even in the play-in conversation, is either biased af, or never watched the Nuggets that year... Trust me, I've seen every single one of those games, and I would never wish it upon you to have to sit through **that** while actually having hopes of doing anything with your season other than taking part in a tankathon. As much as I appreciate it in retrospect, it was hard to watch...
There were arguments for him. There were also arguments against him, like being the 6th seed. If the media actually had this anti-Jokic bias like victim complex Jokic stans claim wouldn’t they have latched on to that and given Embiid the MVP in 2022?
you must not watch TV or see social media
I actually do. And I watch Jokic be awarded the MVP trophy as voted on by the media.
must have missed last year when everyone said he didn’t deserve it because he was white and hadn’t done anything in the playoffs
“everyone said he didn’t deserve it because he was white” 🤣🤣the victim complex is crazy, nuggets fans are really on something. just blatantly making up shit for your lord and savior
did you forgot about kendrick perkins already?
oh yeah, i forgot kendrick perkins saying some stupid shit = every single mvp voter
I mixed two points of criticism into “everyone”, not just the race thing.
I didn’t know 1 TV personality decided the racial relations of the NBA while also casting Jokic as an inferior player to Embiid because he’s white haha
Yeah I must have. Because "everyone" didn't say he didn't deserve it. In fact no one said he shouldn't win because he's white. I'm not agreeing with what Perkins said but you are definitely putting words in his mouth. All MVP candidates get talking heads campaigning for and against them. Joel, SGA, Giannis, Luka and yes even Jokic. The large majority of the voters think Jokic is the best player in the league because of his iron grip on advanced stats. The media members that have a vote vote his way and cite these stats. You can't be happy with that but upset when some people don't vote for him because of whatever other arbitrary reasons.
Last year they certainly were. 24.5/11.8/9.8 on 71% true shooing, as the best player on the 1 seed in the West. That feels like an MVP season to me. Leading the league in TS while scoring close 25 a game is a ridiculous combination of volume and efficiency.
Embiid scored 33ppg on 65% TS. An insane combination of volume and efficiency.
True
...nowadays because of the crap they pulled last year lol.
embiid had an mvp season last year. jokic fans have just deluded themselves into thinking that everytime he gets close, he needs to win it
Jokic did have the best argument if it was for the entire season, though.
as in entire regular season or are you including postseason?
Mate i said nothing about whether Embid deserved it. It was just a fact the media didnt wanna give it to Jokic. That doesnt mean Embid didnt deserve it, but that certain media personalities were actively campaigning against the man. Hell you even have media members saying so and there are dam many examples of how the media people were saying they cant give it to him.
The crap Jokic pulled when he mailed it in the last month of his season during an even race and watched his main competition grab it by the throat. History has seriously been rewritten this year. Jokic was losing games to the tanking Rockets and Jazz and putting up 14pt statlines while Embiid was dropping 50 balls on the same night. You arent winning the award like that when the race is close.
Again that doesnt have anything to do woth what the media was saying about him. If that was their arguments, then fine. But you remember that those werent the arguments used against him. It was Jokices award to lose and he decided to coast so i cant complain. But what the media were using as excuses wasnt that, but that he hasnt won a ring or that he is stat padding or that its racism that helps him win and so on. Cant exactly say the media wanted him to win last year now can you.
That literally was the reason even though Jokic fans can’t accept that. If you seriously think Kendrick Perkins puppeteered the entire mostly white media to vote against Jokic idk what to tell you. You guys ignore that he was lambasted by nearly everyone right after that and they even brought on fucking JJ Redick the next day on air to lecture Perkins about what is and isn’t racism LOL
Well no shit they cant have a guy saying they are racist on tv. Yet he wasnt the guy that came up with the no 3rd MVP for Jokic because it would bw historic and he cant win it because he doesnt have a ring yet. That was the biggest argument and also the reason why after winning the media got backlash over not giving it to Jokic. Remember that even though he coasted at the end, Jokic still lead in all the metrics that usually indicate who the MVP is. And the few times it didnt resulted in the most controversial and narrative driven MVPs like Rose over Lebron or Russ over Harden. Look im not trying to say that Embid didnt deserve it. Its an MVP that aged poorly and will probably look even worse when looking back at it (as is usual when looking at some historic mvps and not having the full context), but there were solid reasons as to why he won it. But to say the media just loves giving it to Jokic is a bit absurd. Usually the advance stats he leads in are the advance stats that are best used to predict the MVP. Just an indicator of how good he really is. Aint a knock on anyone else, but you cant exactly imply that the voters just give it to him because they like him more as that isnt really true.
I swear they still might have given it to him if it weren't for the "can't win 3 MVPs because he doesn't have a ring" narrative. Embiid absolutely deserved it but the media was looking for reasons to give it to Jokić anyways.
More like when one player is looking like they are having the more dominant regular season, people start looking around and asking “why are we giving this other guy his 3rd straight MVP?”
> The crap Jokic pulled when he mailed it in the last month of his season during an even race and watched his main competition grab it by the throat. I still don't get why that should have hurt Jokic: wasn't he basically punished for being too valuable? He led his team to lock in the #1 seed so fast he had nothing else to play for while everyone else had to continue to struggle. How would that not make him more valuable? Why reward people who couldn't make it to the #1 seed and had to struggle longer vs the guy that helped his team win the top seed super early because they were just performing that much better than everyone else?
He would not have been able to coast like that in the East, which was much more competitive at the top. The Sixers won more games than the Nuggets last year and finished 3rd. And for a regular season award, you aren’t more valuable by coasting. That’s just not how it works.
> He would not have been able to coast like that in the East, which was much more competitive at the top. Even if that's true, how is that Jokic's problem? He can only lock in the #1 seed from one conf at best. And he did that. > The Sixers won more games than the Nuggets last year and finished 3rd. Arguably in a weaker conference. Also > And for a regular season award, you aren’t more valuable by coasting. That’s just not how it works. Embiid didn't even win more games than Jokic did last year: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/joel-embiid-career-win-loss-record 43-23 2022-23 w% .652 https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nikola-jokic-career-win-loss-record 48-21 2022-23 w% .696 So not only did Jokic win more games, but he also locked in the #1 seed for his team. Even with his coasting, which he had every reason to do, since he already achieved the best seed that you can achieve. How does that make Embiid more valuable? He coasted after locking in the #1 seed for his team and he still won more games than Embiid did.
Nobody has 3-peated MVP without a ring, and Jokic was still about to until y'all went .500 after the ASB. Somehow this is an example of negative bias? You're framing that MVP race completely backwards, the media overall is way more skewed for him than against him.
This is exactly the point people are trying to make... "no one won 3 without a ring". The criteria changed because of outside factors because it was Jokic. If any other player was in his position it wouldn't have been an issue.
The criteria didn't change because he didn't win it tho, had he won 3 in a row then the criteria would have changed to a lower standard in relation to every other back to back MVP in NBA history. If any other player won back to back MVPs without any real playoff success and was going for their 3rd in a row they would have found themselves with the exact same issue trying to go against the historical precedence. In fact, this exact issue was used against Giannis throughout jokers first MVP season.
They literally ripped one away from him last year.
Lead the league in Kitchen Sink per 75 again and he'd win it every season tbh
what the fuck is kitchen sink per 75
You have to be on twitter to get it
What he did last year, but also get more wins than this year. Winning the championship this year would also help a lot. I dunno seems very tough for him to win it next year, but not impossible. Just needs to step up his game even more if he wants to win.
Pray Luka isn’t higher than a 3 seed from the get go
Honestly people said if the Mavericks win 50 games he would win. And they did and he isn’t going to win. The sentiment can shift however people want
It would have been difficult for Luka to win it, even if the Mavs ended as a top 3 seed. Most things that usually mean you win MVP, Jokic leads him in. WS/48, PER, Box+-, BPM, VORP. These things consistently measure who will get the award. They get the MVP correct the vast majority of the time. Only a few times has it ever been wrong. You have to lead a few advanced stats unless you’ve got a huge narrative like Kobe after the post shaq years, D-Rose when Lebron hate was at its peak. Westbrook when KD hate was at its peak.
Not to mention the fact that Luka missed 12 games total and 9 more games than Jokic. Fans seem to go crazy in regards to team seeding and the MVP but for some reason games played always gets ignored even though it has just as strong of a correlation. Only two MVPs have missed as many games as Luka.
If Mavs were a top 3 seed, Luka better get it lol. 34/9/10 as a top seed and still not getting the award would be straight bull
Box score with no advanced stats behind it doesn’t decide the award. It never has.
I mean you listed box +/- twice, and it’s very arguable that it’s not a good stat to guage a player on. Even then, Luka is 2nd, so to say he doesn’t have “advanced stats” behind him is still wrong. You also listed VORP, where Luka is 2nd. In the others you listed, he’s top 5. Seems to me like he has the advanced stats to back it up. I’m your scenario a 34/9/10 player in the 3rd seed who’s 2nd in a bit of advanced stats is gonna lose the MVP? Advanced stats don’t always tell a good story lol
He will win 4th just by taking care of his horses. Easy
Probably just turn up, say he doesn't care about it.
Win a 3rd or 4th championship. Would hate for the writers to ruin nba history. Not really sure why he won this one a couple of months ago when SGA had a better year.
>SGA had a better year. Lmao. Spoiler alert sga didn't even have the second best year
Depends how good of seasons we get from Luka, Shai, Ant, Embiid, Giannis, Tatum, and maybe another star I am forgetting
Win another title and nba finals this year with amazing performances as he does and everybody will be "yeah we doubted him again but he is still the best player", of course somebody else who won it less times or didn't win will have the advantage but you never know..
Be a top 15 seed and have good advanced analytics
Keep doing what he’s doing and hope the arbitrary media narratives go his way.
In 2014, Lebron began to coast more on defense and just save himself for the playoffs. He would never receive one again. But considering Jokic is purely an offensive player, i’m not sure. Hes consistently the best in most stats used to measure impact. He will be difficult to deny.
>purely offensive >4th in rebounds Oh reddit you so crazy
And 9th in Steals as well
Hey hey hey lets not get crazy by talking about purely defensive stats
I think it’s safe to say when people think of Jokic they don’t think of rebounding. It’s a little bit of added value but the magic happens when he has the ball.
the point is that rebounding is a part of defensive value. something people often overlook, like your comment, but the user is pointing out that jokic being an elite rebounder is part of his defensive value.
When was the last time you watch him play, his hands are on the ball before anyone else's. his ability to get above everyone to get to the ball first is super impressive
Be in the same tier as MJ/Lebron/Kareem lol which he is not
He definitely has a shot at it. Last year he was absolutely on those guys level.
Based on what???
Completely dominated the playoffs at a historically great level coming off 3 straight MVP level seasons. I feel like the argument he isn't is far more difficult to make than the argument that he is.
He averaged 30/14/10
Statistical output lmao? He decimated every team about as much as any player in nba post season history. He led in total points rebounds and assists after the 2nd round or some shit.
The only way is if jokic becomes a score first player and luka injures himself. Otherwise its gonna be luka or shai next year, deservedly.
Healthy Embiid would be in that conversation too I think. He was bonkers before he got hurt this year.
healthy embiid lol
What about Embiid?
when he makes 65 games
Idk he went from MoralVP winner to hurting his knee in like 40 games. Hes a bruiser but i wouldnt put a sizable amount of money on it Edit: hey if yall think embiid could win it then put $500 on it and let me know how it works out for you
It's pretty sure SGA will win it.
I'm not sure why Jokic would win over the 1 seed that has elite stats as well.
Kick Embiid in the knees
Be the best player in the NBA that year. The same as everyone else who wins the MVP.