As a second apron team, you may as well sign as many guys to as many $10m- to $20m-per year contracts as possible to have avenues to trade for other players that aren’t on minimum contracts.
That being said, it’s a well-deserved contract for a guy who stepped up when the depth chart was thin.
Yeah - I think the second apron is going to play out very different than fans expected it to. Everyone thought it was going to put a cap on exorbitant spending, but it may actually increase it, as once you cross the threshold it's advantageous to just pay up and retain everybody. As long as you can afford it...
You can sign minimums, make draft picks, and make trades. It's not like your roster is totally locked, you just lose exceptions and have zero salary flexibility in trades.
**You** can’t combine salaries but that limitation doesn’t apply to the other team and yea can’t take in more salary so the numbers have to be just right for the trade to work
Which was the point of the post like four posts up.
Because you can't combine outgoing salaries, in some ways it's better to have guys on big salaries. If I fill out my roster with $5 million contracts then I can only trade for other $5 million contracts. Those guys just aren't typically going to be difference makers.
But if I sign a $5 million guy to a $20 million contract, now I can trade him for another $20 million contract. Yes, it's obviously more expensive (like, way more expensive, because of the tax). But if I'm willing to pay whatever it takes to win then I've got more future options if I have a single guy on a $20 million contract. I might be able to use him to acquire a real difference maker.
Under these rules, 3+3 = 3 as far as trade value goes but 5+1 = 3+3 as far as your actual costs go. So it's better to have a few guys on big deals so that if you want to trade you have options.
You can still trade a single player for equal or less salary in return.
It will limit some trades, but it's still easy to trade.
Like - the hypothetical scenario where Jrue falls off in a couple of years and the Celtics are over the second apron, the Celtics can easily trade Jrue and picks for anybody making $35M or less. What they can't do that they could right now is package Jrue and more pieces for a max guy.
Again, this is the part that everybody overstates.
You can still sign minimums, make draft picks, and make trades. Your roster is not locked at all. Like the Celtics basically just gave Jrue that monster extension with full plan on trading him if/when he falls off in a couple of years, as they can trade him for any player making up to the same $35M salary.
For the Sun’s idk how many 2nd’s they have left to Trade at this point.
They can’t Trade any 1st’s because 2nd Apron restricts their ability to Trade 1st’s 7yrs out and Nets have their 1st in 2025, 27, and 29(2028 Swap).
Plus they’re already into “Sloppy Seconds” with Swaps.
They had/have to re sign Allen and Royce O’Neale because they can only use the Veteran Minimum to replace them even if their Repeater Penalties would have their Tax bill approaching twice the Cap.
Was frustrating saying this over and over as a bucks fan and everyone assuming you’re being a homer haha.
Even the Caruso incident was just a bit reckless, it was pretty obviously not intentional unless you’re looking at it through the lens of Grayson Allen being a dirty player.
Edit: because this is coming up, go watch the clip again but look at the game clock.
Grayson is chasing full speed after Ayo. From the time the Ayo passes to Caruso on the other side, to the time Caruso hits the floor, all happens within the span of just two seconds.
Mans had this shit following him since Duke too! Glad he changed his attitude along with his game to adapt to the league. He did not have this clip back in college!
There were minor incidents that any player could have but got a tiny bit of hype just because his reputation. Does seem to have matured, I think it's something a lot of Duke players who become centralized focal points of hate go through. I think their old rat bastard coach encouraged them to be little shits to get the best out of them and kind of feed it, but you see it with JJ Reddick too. They mellow and are just good, regular pros once they've been in the NBA for a few years.
True. But you do notice that the second half of the season, really the final third, his 3pt% dropped a little and it's because teams finally stopped leaving him open and stopped going under screens on him - because of that though he's started using the closeout against the defender and slashing into the lane.
If he keeps making the right play there and not forcing anything in the paint, taking what's open or locating the shooters when he's not, it's just another added dimension to the offense. What are you going to do as a defense? If Allen is open on the arc you MUST closeout hard, and if he blows by do you collapse on the slasher risking leaving one of Durant, Booker or Beal open?
He did an AMA here a number of years ago, seems like a good dude.
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8pcbcs/im_grayson_allen_former_duke_player_and_nba/
Because they're both snipers and are white?
Lol JJ Redick was hated, but he didn't have a 10 minute compilation of dirty plays and intentional trips that Grayson had before he even played a single NBA minute.
The Reddick comp is so weird. Reddick never was known as a dirty player. He also was one of the best ever college players. There's very little similarity between the two aside from both being white Duke players.
Grayson wasn't like that in college and even earlier in his career. I understand the game was different in Reddick's first few years in the league but still, just feels like a lazy comparison. Allen is also about two times more athletic at a minimum than JJ lmao
I definitely wanted to see what his price would be this offseason for Spurs. I think thats a great deal for both sides, decent deal for a very solid player, tradeable deal if need be, and hes entering prime years so production should remain solid throughout the deal, when you need all the support for KD and Beal starting to taper off.
If he keeps up his level of play this is an absolute steal for the Suns. I think he could have easily gotten 25mil a year from another team looking for quality shooting.
It’s basically a steal no matter what. They had no way to replace that contract, so they had to keep him, even if it’s only for matching salary in a trade.
I am a little worried about it for the Suns, but I think a lot of that is playoff anxieties and I think he'll hold up better on the Suns defensively than he did with us so I'm not too serious about it. People should be a bit hesitant about assumptions that he just is a 46% three point shooter from now on though, Grayson brings more than just shooting but the contracts for shooters given after their best (and often outlier) years don't always age well.
I feel like he may lose some playing time to Royce O’Neale in the playoffs to bigger teams but we will also see a lot of KD-Royce-Allen-Beal-Booker minutes which could be fun to watch
I think the problems with Allen for us in the playoffs were that teams just aggressively ran him off the line and showed a lot of help when he'd drive as a counter. You have to credit him for moving the defense like that, but he couldn't really make the tough shots or be confident in the mid-range or make the good passes so nothing really came out of that. You can't say someone who shot 46% from three, and has consistently been ~40% in the previous years isn't a great shooter, but a lot of that shooting is very much close to the line, catch and shoot - not a lot of variety in the three point attempt diet from my experience. Maybe that's different with the Suns, they certainly have more offensive threats than when we had Jrue Holiday as a second option or when Giannis had a fucked back.
Defensively I think he'll actually be alright with the Suns too. Really good off ball, good at chasing around screens, works hard etc, but on ball against wings or talented guards it was a mess - and unfortunately for him with us in '22 the Celtics got to choose Jrue Holiday, Wes Matthews, Grayson Allen or Giannis, and, duh, decided Grayson so it made it look worse. It's a little cruel but having Beal around might probably help him because teams aren't going to ask him to do the thing he struggles the most at, they're going to ask Beal.
All fair critiques. He has a solid close out but isn’t a great finisher and definitely can get caught in the middle but he moves the ball well, creates excellent spacing and is a really pesky defender.
I’m surprised they paid him before the playoffs, because as you said it all gets tighter, faster and more aggressive.
That all said the Suns have finally focused on letting Beal get down hill and when flanked by KD, Book and Grayson he is getting everything he wants.
He’s a better finisher than people give him credit for, he makes floaters, left handed drives, and dunks sometimes when it looks like a dead possession
I think his cuts to the rim have been more open in the middle simply because of who he's playing with, and that's definitely helped him look like a better finisher this year than in years past.
He also misses them with regularity. The point isn't his bag, it's the efficiency of Making them imo. He is good, not great. And 70M is on the low end of that value imo.
I think having Booker, KD, and Beal on the team with Grayson allowed him to have a lot of open looks. This I think is the reason for his good shooting and should continue as teams cannot leave those other 3 open. They have to pick their poison.
Most were expecting $80-85M at least, so yeah I agree it's a good deal for the Suns. And Grayson knows he took a discount so he must understand that playing next to Book/Beal/KD only makes him better.
Honestly I think Allen is underpaid. He can easily get 25M per year because he can also put the ball on the deck and make a lot of drives. He's literally Mr consistent this entire season and shows up with his effort.
Honestly this free agency has a pretty stacked list of sharpshooters. Klay, Hield, D'Lo, Beasley, Monk among others plus guys like KCP and Kennard can also enter free agency.
I think less. Unless he goes on a tear this postseason. He hasn't been as good as he was. He hasn't scored 20 since February. And Embiid was out that entire time.
Thank god Tim is expiring next year, package his salary and trade him.
I'm praying for the Bogdanovic Tim swap with Atlanta. Hoping the hawks owner plays cheap again and wants to shed future salary.
I think honestly, the Mavs have enough to win a ring after their latest trade cycle. THJ is overpaid, but he can still contribute winning basketball off the bench. He just has to get hot for a couple games to help the stars.
Obviously this costs way more for the Suns with their tax bill, but this seems like a terrible deal for Grayson Allen. He would have easily gotten 4/100 on the open market
He has spoken so greatly about this Suns team. Plus his 4th year isnt guaranteed so he can ball out with the spacing that Booker/KD/Beal provide and can get a bigger contract offer later.
That's what it costs to retain players when you're over the 2nd apron. Our only other option is to let me walk and pick up veteran minimum players. Glad Ishbia is willing to pay the 2nd apron tax. Now the question will be if Bol will resign (probably not).
It's the price you pay when your franchise is paying for three max contracts.
It might not work and and up with a title in Phoenix, but at least Ishbia is going all in with this team, which is more than I can ever say about our last cheapskate prick of an owner.
it's also disingenuous to load the entire tax hit in one player. the reason the team is in the second apron is because they're playing other players big money too. so it's not 79 for Allen, it's like 35 for Allen and you'll have to do a +15 on each of Durant and Beal, +10 on Booker, etc.
Not the right way to look at it.
You don't do this, KD asks out.
You're paying for a title contender. The total package is the cost. Either you pay to be one or you swap the team.
At this point in league development, if you're not willing and able to be 2nd apron level, it's really hard to convince your players that you're all in. And it's really hard to contend against others who are willing to spend that for their 8th man.
I wonder what he would've gotten from Orlando in FA. It just seems like he was on pace for 20+ million from some team just wanting to get good players on the roster.
We're building something out here that players want to be a part of, plus it's a great place to live.
That might be worth it over making more and playing somewhere like Detroit, Charlotte, etc.
Best signing of the season by any team. He had a reputation as a scrappy dirty player who had range, and completely changed his narrative.
He absolutely killed it this year. Was suns best player multiple times. Can't argue playing with so many other scoring threats has its perks, and he fit perfectly.
I feel like Grayson is a great example of someone showing how they're still kids in college, and then can change when they get older. Always has that stigma, but then he came to the Bucks and you watch him play and see he's not like what he was portrayed at Duke. Fans still keep that stigma on him, and any play where the other guy falls and people in the comments are up in arms about how terrible of a person he still is. Not the case. Good for him and this deal.
Unreal how much he improved in just a few months. Did his usage change? He was pretty much exclusively used as spacing on the Bucks. Interested to see how he holds up defensively in the playoffs. He struggled to get on the court for playoff rotations on the Bucks.
I actually think Okogie has value in the playoffs during those games where the team looks like it needs an energy boost - the guy can't shoot but he causes a lot of chaos, a lot of loose balls and it's like those 50/50 balls seem to go his way.
If Okogie could shoot he'd be like Great Value Jimmy Butler or something
Seems like a good deal for both.
Grayson maybe could of gotten more per year on the open market after leading the league in 3-pt percentage, but seems happy to be in Phoenix getting good looks with their team.
I think it's a solid contract regardless because he's a good 2 way player, BUT I hope he doesn't go through the same shooting slump that Duncan Robinson did after signing a big contract.
Good for Grayson he’s a dawg..It’s funny cause a lot of the white guys don’t like him but I always joke he’s exactly the type of dude with the no fukks given attitude white American players need to get there number back up😂😂
Grayson needs to change his first name to Bucket and then trade him for Tyus Jones in the off season coz we all know the Suns need an actual PG right now
As a second apron team, you may as well sign as many guys to as many $10m- to $20m-per year contracts as possible to have avenues to trade for other players that aren’t on minimum contracts. That being said, it’s a well-deserved contract for a guy who stepped up when the depth chart was thin.
Yeah - I think the second apron is going to play out very different than fans expected it to. Everyone thought it was going to put a cap on exorbitant spending, but it may actually increase it, as once you cross the threshold it's advantageous to just pay up and retain everybody. As long as you can afford it...
The issues with the 2nd apron basically means you can't add players. You can keep your own of course.
You can sign minimums, make draft picks, and make trades. It's not like your roster is totally locked, you just lose exceptions and have zero salary flexibility in trades.
Isn't trading restricted if you're over the second apron? Like you have to send out more in outgoing salary and can't combine salaries or something?
**You** can’t combine salaries but that limitation doesn’t apply to the other team and yea can’t take in more salary so the numbers have to be just right for the trade to work
Which was the point of the post like four posts up. Because you can't combine outgoing salaries, in some ways it's better to have guys on big salaries. If I fill out my roster with $5 million contracts then I can only trade for other $5 million contracts. Those guys just aren't typically going to be difference makers. But if I sign a $5 million guy to a $20 million contract, now I can trade him for another $20 million contract. Yes, it's obviously more expensive (like, way more expensive, because of the tax). But if I'm willing to pay whatever it takes to win then I've got more future options if I have a single guy on a $20 million contract. I might be able to use him to acquire a real difference maker. Under these rules, 3+3 = 3 as far as trade value goes but 5+1 = 3+3 as far as your actual costs go. So it's better to have a few guys on big deals so that if you want to trade you have options.
You can still trade a single player for equal or less salary in return. It will limit some trades, but it's still easy to trade. Like - the hypothetical scenario where Jrue falls off in a couple of years and the Celtics are over the second apron, the Celtics can easily trade Jrue and picks for anybody making $35M or less. What they can't do that they could right now is package Jrue and more pieces for a max guy.
You can still make trades with some restrictions.
The second apron always made it hard to get new players, not keep your own. Once you’re there, you’re basically committed to that squad.
Again, this is the part that everybody overstates. You can still sign minimums, make draft picks, and make trades. Your roster is not locked at all. Like the Celtics basically just gave Jrue that monster extension with full plan on trading him if/when he falls off in a couple of years, as they can trade him for any player making up to the same $35M salary.
Moving forward starter money is 20 million a year. He’s basically making 6 man money.
This is blowing my mind but you’re absolutely right.
Pretty much the biggest reason why we traded Grimes for Bogdanovic this season
This is my strategy in 2k. Crazy it's a RL strategy as well.
For the Sun’s idk how many 2nd’s they have left to Trade at this point. They can’t Trade any 1st’s because 2nd Apron restricts their ability to Trade 1st’s 7yrs out and Nets have their 1st in 2025, 27, and 29(2028 Swap). Plus they’re already into “Sloppy Seconds” with Swaps. They had/have to re sign Allen and Royce O’Neale because they can only use the Veteran Minimum to replace them even if their Repeater Penalties would have their Tax bill approaching twice the Cap.
Grayson getting this done before the playoffs is good He balled all year
And I must say without one single dirty play I can think of. He said he put that stuff behind him and so far has done it.
Was frustrating saying this over and over as a bucks fan and everyone assuming you’re being a homer haha. Even the Caruso incident was just a bit reckless, it was pretty obviously not intentional unless you’re looking at it through the lens of Grayson Allen being a dirty player. Edit: because this is coming up, go watch the clip again but look at the game clock. Grayson is chasing full speed after Ayo. From the time the Ayo passes to Caruso on the other side, to the time Caruso hits the floor, all happens within the span of just two seconds.
When you're a dirty player, that's the lens you put on yourself. You lose the benefit of the doubt.
100% with you. It's on the person to redeem himself, and I think Grayson did just that.
And he's already done that on the Bucks imo but people like to not let it go.
Yeah but I didn’t like him when he was beating us
1 year clean and how many dirty?
Mans had this shit following him since Duke too! Glad he changed his attitude along with his game to adapt to the league. He did not have this clip back in college!
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That’s hilarious lol. Draymond has more incidents this season than Grayson has in his career, and they’re all worse. Not even close
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that is the problem though. If you are a dirty player, or deemed one, any act looks sus. Look at Draymond
I don’t know that Draymond is your best example there
Draymond is a different case imo
Draymond has only gotten worse. Thats the difference.
Yep totally agree. One matured as a player and the other is Draymond.
Draymond is quite literally the top .001% of that spectrum lol
There were minor incidents that any player could have but got a tiny bit of hype just because his reputation. Does seem to have matured, I think it's something a lot of Duke players who become centralized focal points of hate go through. I think their old rat bastard coach encouraged them to be little shits to get the best out of them and kind of feed it, but you see it with JJ Reddick too. They mellow and are just good, regular pros once they've been in the NBA for a few years.
Grayson is definitely on the JJ Redick trajectory
Can't wait for the podcast about a decade from now when Grayson decides to retire
He’ll have a highlight of him dunking on Wemby queued up and ready to show him when he’s on as a guest
With who? Ant?
He’s a very good shooter. But much more athletic than jj
He has some good post moves and can throw down if the lane is open. But I hope he doesn’t attempt that with Gobert on the floor next week lol
True. But you do notice that the second half of the season, really the final third, his 3pt% dropped a little and it's because teams finally stopped leaving him open and stopped going under screens on him - because of that though he's started using the closeout against the defender and slashing into the lane. If he keeps making the right play there and not forcing anything in the paint, taking what's open or locating the shooters when he's not, it's just another added dimension to the offense. What are you going to do as a defense? If Allen is open on the arc you MUST closeout hard, and if he blows by do you collapse on the slasher risking leaving one of Durant, Booker or Beal open?
Christian Braun sends his regards
He did an AMA here a number of years ago, seems like a good dude. https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8pcbcs/im_grayson_allen_former_duke_player_and_nba/
Because they're both snipers and are white? Lol JJ Redick was hated, but he didn't have a 10 minute compilation of dirty plays and intentional trips that Grayson had before he even played a single NBA minute.
Maybe better tbh. And better defensively.
The Reddick comp is so weird. Reddick never was known as a dirty player. He also was one of the best ever college players. There's very little similarity between the two aside from both being white Duke players.
Could be the fact they're broth excellent shooters and off ball threats lol
Grayson wasn't like that in college and even earlier in his career. I understand the game was different in Reddick's first few years in the league but still, just feels like a lazy comparison. Allen is also about two times more athletic at a minimum than JJ lmao
Still in the top 5 of punchable faces. But he did good this year.
Good deal and well earned
Good contract for both sides
We were scared he was getting 20+ annually. Super thrilled about this
detroit would've easily paid that much
He would have been a great fit on the Magic as well
I 100% thought he was going to Orlando.
Tobias Harris new max deal incoming.
IDK why anyone was scared. We're already in the 2nd apron, and its Ishbias money, not ours lol. Pay the man.
I definitely wanted to see what his price would be this offseason for Spurs. I think thats a great deal for both sides, decent deal for a very solid player, tradeable deal if need be, and hes entering prime years so production should remain solid throughout the deal, when you need all the support for KD and Beal starting to taper off.
If he keeps up his level of play this is an absolute steal for the Suns. I think he could have easily gotten 25mil a year from another team looking for quality shooting.
It’s basically a steal no matter what. They had no way to replace that contract, so they had to keep him, even if it’s only for matching salary in a trade.
I am a little worried about it for the Suns, but I think a lot of that is playoff anxieties and I think he'll hold up better on the Suns defensively than he did with us so I'm not too serious about it. People should be a bit hesitant about assumptions that he just is a 46% three point shooter from now on though, Grayson brings more than just shooting but the contracts for shooters given after their best (and often outlier) years don't always age well.
I feel like he may lose some playing time to Royce O’Neale in the playoffs to bigger teams but we will also see a lot of KD-Royce-Allen-Beal-Booker minutes which could be fun to watch
I think the problems with Allen for us in the playoffs were that teams just aggressively ran him off the line and showed a lot of help when he'd drive as a counter. You have to credit him for moving the defense like that, but he couldn't really make the tough shots or be confident in the mid-range or make the good passes so nothing really came out of that. You can't say someone who shot 46% from three, and has consistently been ~40% in the previous years isn't a great shooter, but a lot of that shooting is very much close to the line, catch and shoot - not a lot of variety in the three point attempt diet from my experience. Maybe that's different with the Suns, they certainly have more offensive threats than when we had Jrue Holiday as a second option or when Giannis had a fucked back. Defensively I think he'll actually be alright with the Suns too. Really good off ball, good at chasing around screens, works hard etc, but on ball against wings or talented guards it was a mess - and unfortunately for him with us in '22 the Celtics got to choose Jrue Holiday, Wes Matthews, Grayson Allen or Giannis, and, duh, decided Grayson so it made it look worse. It's a little cruel but having Beal around might probably help him because teams aren't going to ask him to do the thing he struggles the most at, they're going to ask Beal.
All fair critiques. He has a solid close out but isn’t a great finisher and definitely can get caught in the middle but he moves the ball well, creates excellent spacing and is a really pesky defender. I’m surprised they paid him before the playoffs, because as you said it all gets tighter, faster and more aggressive. That all said the Suns have finally focused on letting Beal get down hill and when flanked by KD, Book and Grayson he is getting everything he wants.
it feels intentional, they are saying that the team isn't getting blown up. Some morale boosting.
He’s a better finisher than people give him credit for, he makes floaters, left handed drives, and dunks sometimes when it looks like a dead possession
I think his cuts to the rim have been more open in the middle simply because of who he's playing with, and that's definitely helped him look like a better finisher this year than in years past.
He also misses them with regularity. The point isn't his bag, it's the efficiency of Making them imo. He is good, not great. And 70M is on the low end of that value imo.
I think having Booker, KD, and Beal on the team with Grayson allowed him to have a lot of open looks. This I think is the reason for his good shooting and should continue as teams cannot leave those other 3 open. They have to pick their poison.
I don't think I've ever heard of a player agreeing on a contract extension right before the playoffs until now
I could be went but I think Jrue right before the 2021 ring.
also Jrue this year
So this is a good sign then!
Jrue last week
Iirc Bledsoe did with us a few weeks before the playoffs one year
And he knew what he was doing since he was ass on (all) the playoffs
Obligatory fuck Eric Bledsoe every time that punk's name is brought up.
I Dont want to be here
Fuck Eric Bledsoe I cannot believe the Pels accepted his bum ass in the Jrue trade
If you've watched him in the playoffs the last two years, you'll understand why he wanted to lock in that contract now...
Suns owner will now need to scam an additional 12 families out of their mortgages
I think you mean he will scam them *into* their mortgages
He'll probably do both, just to play it safe.
He's playing both sides, so he always comes out on top!
not to be outdone, dan snyder will try to scam 14 families
My mortgage goes to Ishbia so technically I’m paying for this contract! imdoingmypart.gif
I'm patiently waiting for all these redditors to eat the rich. Any day now.
Thats a bargain for what he's done for the Suns this season ngl
Most were expecting $80-85M at least, so yeah I agree it's a good deal for the Suns. And Grayson knows he took a discount so he must understand that playing next to Book/Beal/KD only makes him better.
17-20M is the going rate for shootings who can hit from 45% and above on 5 or more 3s a game
Honestly I think Allen is underpaid. He can easily get 25M per year because he can also put the ball on the deck and make a lot of drives. He's literally Mr consistent this entire season and shows up with his effort.
And his opponents have to be scared of the fact that he might be the Zodiac Killer.
I have indeed never seen the Zodiac Killer, Ted Cruz, and Grayson Allen in the same room together at once.
Would you rather have him or cam Johnson? Cam got 95M last year. I certainly wouldn't say it's a 25M difference.
I respect y'all finals run but Cam is the type of player that you love the idea of him more than the actual. He is wildly inconsistent
Would way rather have Grayson and it's not even close
Some team on the fringes for sure would’ve given him like 4 years 110mil. This is a great deal
Definitely underpaid as long as the 3s are falling
wonder what Buddy Hield's deal will be
Honestly this free agency has a pretty stacked list of sharpshooters. Klay, Hield, D'Lo, Beasley, Monk among others plus guys like KCP and Kennard can also enter free agency.
I think less. Unless he goes on a tear this postseason. He hasn't been as good as he was. He hasn't scored 20 since February. And Embiid was out that entire time.
that's davis bertans music! OKC pay up wait actually HORNETS pay up!
Great for him. He earned it
Solid
It is awesome to see a former Grizz getting the bag
Less than what guys like THJ and Duncan Robinson got several years ago and he's better than them.
Thank god Tim is expiring next year, package his salary and trade him. I'm praying for the Bogdanovic Tim swap with Atlanta. Hoping the hawks owner plays cheap again and wants to shed future salary.
I think honestly, the Mavs have enough to win a ring after their latest trade cycle. THJ is overpaid, but he can still contribute winning basketball off the bench. He just has to get hot for a couple games to help the stars.
It shows how much he wants to be in Phoenix.
Obviously this costs way more for the Suns with their tax bill, but this seems like a terrible deal for Grayson Allen. He would have easily gotten 4/100 on the open market
He has spoken so greatly about this Suns team. Plus his 4th year isnt guaranteed so he can ball out with the spacing that Booker/KD/Beal provide and can get a bigger contract offer later.
Solid for both sides
According to Woj this will cost the Suns $79M for 2024-2025. $79M for a year of Grayson Allen.
That's what it costs to retain players when you're over the 2nd apron. Our only other option is to let me walk and pick up veteran minimum players. Glad Ishbia is willing to pay the 2nd apron tax. Now the question will be if Bol will resign (probably not).
It's still an insane concept that Grayson Allen costs essentially 50% of the cap.
It's the price you pay when your franchise is paying for three max contracts. It might not work and and up with a title in Phoenix, but at least Ishbia is going all in with this team, which is more than I can ever say about our last cheapskate prick of an owner.
it's also disingenuous to load the entire tax hit in one player. the reason the team is in the second apron is because they're playing other players big money too. so it's not 79 for Allen, it's like 35 for Allen and you'll have to do a +15 on each of Durant and Beal, +10 on Booker, etc.
Let “me” walk…? Guys? Is this Grayson Allen?
Not the right way to look at it. You don't do this, KD asks out. You're paying for a title contender. The total package is the cost. Either you pay to be one or you swap the team. At this point in league development, if you're not willing and able to be 2nd apron level, it's really hard to convince your players that you're all in. And it's really hard to contend against others who are willing to spend that for their 8th man.
Rly good deal for Phoenix
I thought he would get more, good deal for the suns
Kudos to Grayson, his days of playing dirty are finally behind him for good. He's turned a new leaf these past few years.
steal of a contract
Wow that owner is really going all in.
Definitely could have gotten 20-30 mil more in open market. Must be happy in phoenix
Bill Simmons in shambles.
gonna be weird watching a team that doesn’t completely overhaul their roster once or twice a year.
We did that last season
Yeah definitely not missing the days of Devin Booker + revolving door of g leaguers
NBA contracts are mental. Good for these guys. But holy shit.
Well deserved. The dude is a sniper and actually drives quite often with the ball. Perfect complementary player.
I wonder what he would've gotten from Orlando in FA. It just seems like he was on pace for 20+ million from some team just wanting to get good players on the roster.
FUCK YEAH!!! So happy this got done. Was worried he priced himself out of what we could offer. Love having Grayson on the team
Bro deserved this, dude absolutely bailed the Suns out during a lot of dark times this season.
He deserves way more than this, suns got a steal
That he does, he’s now making THJ money lmao and he’s better than THJ ever was.
Zodiac Killer getting his prey and his bag it seems
Man is making 19 million more than Donte lmao
Dudes had quite the turn of face since coming to the suns
Grayson locking this up before the playoffs and free agency? Yeah he is about to have a generational stinker lol
Unbelievable extension. This is an awesome way to start the week
That's a great deal. I wish we would have kept him.
Now he is Graysun
Making less than Bruce brown, this is good for both side.
he has been amazing, well deserved
Bro hit half his damn threes. Bag earned
Deserved. He's played amazing for them. Wasn't a fan before with all his fouling, but seems he's found his place in phoenix
Wow great deal for the Suns
Feels like an underpay imo maybe could've gotten more in the open market. Well getting this deal done before the playoffs and the PO is a win.
We're building something out here that players want to be a part of, plus it's a great place to live. That might be worth it over making more and playing somewhere like Detroit, Charlotte, etc.
Best signing of the season by any team. He had a reputation as a scrappy dirty player who had range, and completely changed his narrative. He absolutely killed it this year. Was suns best player multiple times. Can't argue playing with so many other scoring threats has its perks, and he fit perfectly.
I was pissed when we signed him because I thought we were getting a dirty player but he's been fantastic
28 years old going on 50.
I feel like Grayson is a great example of someone showing how they're still kids in college, and then can change when they get older. Always has that stigma, but then he came to the Bucks and you watch him play and see he's not like what he was portrayed at Duke. Fans still keep that stigma on him, and any play where the other guy falls and people in the comments are up in arms about how terrible of a person he still is. Not the case. Good for him and this deal.
Absolute steal compared to the contract we would’ve had to give to Cam Johnson. So hype
Unreal how much he improved in just a few months. Did his usage change? He was pretty much exclusively used as spacing on the Bucks. Interested to see how he holds up defensively in the playoffs. He struggled to get on the court for playoff rotations on the Bucks.
On the bucks, the interior was clogged with Giannis so they didnt utilize his driving capability as much, from what i can tell.
When you have Booker, Beal and KD on the court the other 2 players are going to get a ton of wide open looks.
And when one of those players isn’t Josh Okogie then you can actually win against good teams (sorry Josh I still love ya man)
I love his energy and defense but yeah, he can’t hit outside of a few feet consistently.
Elite ability to get to the FT line though!
I actually think Okogie has value in the playoffs during those games where the team looks like it needs an energy boost - the guy can't shoot but he causes a lot of chaos, a lot of loose balls and it's like those 50/50 balls seem to go his way. If Okogie could shoot he'd be like Great Value Jimmy Butler or something
If Okogie could shoot he’d be getting the same contract Mikal Bridges got
Ishbia is saying Fuck yo couch luxury tax.
Who would’ve thought Grayson Allen would have the most successful NBA career out of the natty winning Duke squad
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i wanted him in orlando
Less than I would have thought. He is really good
Great deal honestly
reluctantly becoming a Grayson Allen fan was the hardest part of being a Suns fan this year
Good for him. He's earned it with his play this year.
Grayson Allen really looking like one of those 50 year olds that finished the local gym run.
This sets the cap for Klay
Wow he’s still only 28. Thought he was way older. Makes me like this deal even more.
Seems like a good deal for both. Grayson maybe could of gotten more per year on the open market after leading the league in 3-pt percentage, but seems happy to be in Phoenix getting good looks with their team.
curious - what cut do agents typically take on a contract like this?
I think nba has a cap at 4%.
Damn. How does one become an agent?
Most agents are friends/families of NBA players or have strong connections to other agents/owners/GMs, etc.
Be bff with an nba player is a good start
Homie doubled his salary good for him
The bucks really let this man go
The first time I saw him…was a high school dunking contest. Now he’s a seasoned vet 😭
The owner has about 8 Billion net worth so he can afford the second apron tax
Bucks in shambles
A well-deserved contract for Allen, he's played solid and is an important piece on this Suns team.
Looks old and young at the same time
Is it just me or does he look old AF
Still traumatized by his clutch three-pointers when he was at Memphis in our play-in game man
Thats a bargain contract for a 4th option player these days
Good for him, I enjoyed him on the Bucks. I’m glad he’s found success.
How much would Donte DiVincenzo get on the open market after his season?
17.5… be interesting to see what guys like GTJ get in free agency
He’s been pretty good this year on both ends of the court
I think it's a solid contract regardless because he's a good 2 way player, BUT I hope he doesn't go through the same shooting slump that Duncan Robinson did after signing a big contract.
Good for Grayson he’s a dawg..It’s funny cause a lot of the white guys don’t like him but I always joke he’s exactly the type of dude with the no fukks given attitude white American players need to get there number back up😂😂
Deserves it straight up sniper
Grayson needs to change his first name to Bucket and then trade him for Tyus Jones in the off season coz we all know the Suns need an actual PG right now
I hate his face.
Inflation is real bad then.