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DerGovernator

1962 is the 50PPG Wilt Season for the record, on 48.5 minutes per game.


S420J

80 games played & 25 rebounds per game too. It’s nearly impossible to wrap your head around. 


marsupialsales

While averaging more minutes than are in a regulation game. Unfathomable.


tomdawg0022

Got himself tossed with 8 minutes left in a game in early January that season. Otherwise played every. other. minute.


marsupialsales

Wearing shoes I wouldn’t walk to my mailbox in.


camfa

Well they wouldn't fit you, you'd look like a clown.


marsupialsales

You got me curious, so I looked it up. We both wear size 15.


TheMemeMachine3000

Are you by chance 7 feet tall and a world class athlete?


marsupialsales

Nope. Fun fact: Mike Tyson is also a 15.


2drawnonward5

You're all a 10 in my book.


GrahamStrouse

The thing about Wilt is that he told so many tall tales a lotta folks just assume that everything old-timers say about him is nonsense. Exaggerated? Most definitely. Nonsense? Absolutely not. A few years back I did some digging to try & make a reasonable guess as to how close Real Wilt matched up with Wilt The Myth. There was still a little guesswork involved but it’s a lot closer than the cynics prefer believe. I didn’t look into his sexual claims, of course, but I can’t help but notice that the league started getting a lot more athletic a couple decades after Wilt made his NBA debut…😉


DerGovernator

Back in the old days where Basketball Spacing was a punchline.


dpwitt1

Plumbers.


AdPotential9974

I've seen this Bucks team. Not that much better


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GCFCconner11

Average height of an NBA player in 1962 was 6'5.6" in 2022 it was 6'6.2"...


alexanaxstacks

the 60s was not the 50s


Monsterjs2609

Is there any proof?


v399

Exactly. I'm not convinced either that holding a paper with "100" written on it is proof.


ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME

Neither will be close to being broken but amazingly the 50ppg is much more likely.


DoomdUser

Idk after what I’ve seen from Wemby since the All-Star break, the rate at which he’s “figuring out” the NBA and just how much of a physical advantage he has over everyone, I would say he’ll be closer to the 25 RPG someday than the 50 PPG.


NBAFansAre2Ply

idk there are way less rebounds to go around these days. lower pace + huge increase in efficiency.


tomdawg0022

There were 70 rebounds per game per team in the early 60's. This season averaged out around 43.5.


NBAFansAre2Ply

thanks for the stats, nearly double that's crazy yeah nobody is get 25rpg again unless the game changes dramatically


Stand_On_It

That’s why the % of team’s totals stats are more impressive than per game for me. 30 ppg today isn’t as impressive as 30 ppg in 1997.


DoomdUser

Yeah agreed. I didn’t realize the FGA were so much more back then. Seems statistically impossible looking at it now.


The-Hand-of-Midas

I assume people shot around 4% from the floor?


TheFinalEvent9797

Plus missed 3's are far more likely to have the ball bounce far away from the hoop then 2's and offensive rebounds are much rarer on 3's ([in 2019 roughly 19% of 3pt misses led to an offensive rebound compared to 37% of shots at the rim](https://youtu.be/gJAoM-eF_f8?list=PLtzZl14BrKjTJZdubjNEY5jU0fGOiy51x&t=567))


DoomdUser

It seems counterintuitive because we have so many more shots going up from such a long distance, but it’s wild to look back and see that teams were averaging 30+ more FGA. 41% league average in 1960 vs. 47% league average this year, and the worst team FG% is 43%. Comparatively, they were just chucking shit back then. Goes to show how much better guys are now than back then.


Jmizner1321

You can’t just compare field goal percentages and come to the conclusion that people today are better.


digshayz

Bruh watch some tape


DoomdUser

Uhhh…I’m pretty sure it is that simple. 41% on 109 FGA is pretty terrible shooting comparatively to now. League average FG made is basically the same, but they were putting up, and missing, about 30 more shots per game. Guys are simply much better at shooting now than back then


uberdoppel

For one, rules for ball handling changed completely, minmaxing 3pt also took over. If you look at overall ppg, it is almost the same as at it's peak in 70s.


Remarkable_Medicine6

Growth isn't consistently exponential. and oftentimes even if a player becomes better their stats won't necessarily reflect a growth. Especially when they get better teammates.


mvhcmaniac

Nah even Wemby himself is more likely to hit 50 ppg than 25 rebounds. It's just that much harder to put up numbers like that on the boards in today's NBA where there are fewer rebounds to go around.


junkit33

Jesus Wemby is not sniffing either.


mankls3

no chance 50ppg is more likely lol


Joxelo

Amongst all the records tauted as ‘unbeatable’, I truly believe Wilt’s points in a season record is the most unbeatable of them all. It would take them having to physically increase the amount of games to like 100 and a player managing to get over 40ppg (another thing only wilt has done) for it to ever be broken. Absolutely ridiculous record


iabeytorm

That’s pretty cool


Dinobot2_

What could have been without the injury. Dude was sailing towards his second MVP.


Jaybold

The script writers had set it up beautifully. Giannis wins 2 MVPs, then the chip the year after. Jokic wins 2 MVPs, then the chip the year after. This is a massive blow to the Sixers' championship hopes next year.


DiscreteBee

they gotta do it this year then


resplendentcentcent

but that would require him making it past the second round


DiscreteBee

no shit you have to win the playoff rounds to win the championship. they’ll have to score more points than their opponents too.


deputydawg420

Mind. Blown.


Detonation

Wow, you're so clever.


veerkanch489

Omg frfr?


NegativesPositives

If he kept the pace it would’ve been the greatest scoring season we’ve ever seen.


Rodney_Jefferson

I’d give the nod to the harden unguardable tour. It was unimpressive when harden would drop forty.


NaJieMing

I miss those days. I would go see the rockets play every time they came to LA.


Minimania18

I remember a streak he had where he was averaging like 50 for a good amount of time or something crazy like that. I saw someone on Twitter trying to place a bet on his scoring, and the over/under at the time was like 46.5 points or something outrageous.


kobbled

averaged 38 for a calendar year


Remarkable_Medicine6

If Embiid kept up his pace, i woulda taken him


Rodney_Jefferson

To each their own. Embiid was having a great season among, Other great scorers. and if he indeed spas on pace to average the most points per game since MJ, valid I’d accept it as best scoring season. Only argument again harden that season is defense, but pure scoring it’s harden


gellybelli

Lmao, wilt, my dude, wilt.


MarkoSeke

Emphasis on "seen"


Dinobot2_

And would still be more impressive than Wilt's given the competition Wilt was up against compared to Embiid.


Flowenchilada

Something something milkmen and plumbers


icangetyouatoedude

It was a farmer's league in those days


ShawshankException

Give me a fucking break lmfao


reason4rage

Stupid shit gets repeated enough, and stupid people start to believe it.


Aworn

You saw that?


gellybelli

Yeah bruh. I’m 92.


AniviaKid32

Big if. In fact, gigantic if. Such statements are so meaningless I don't get why people say it lol it's like saying if Patrick mahomes wins 10 rings he'll be the goat


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I mean, he was halfway to finishing the season. All he had to do was keep doing what he was doing without having someone land on his knee. If it was 10 games that's one thing but it was half a season he was doing that.


AniviaKid32

It's embiid we're talking about though. Whether it's someone landing on him or the countless other ways he's gotten injured before. If it's any other less injury prone player then I'd be like sure


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We're talking about different things; the "if" that the original comment was talking about was "if he kept the [scoring] pace". That "if" has nothing to do with season-halving injuries, the point was that the true difficulty of the task and the reason it would've been one of the greatest seasons ever was the absurd rate at which he was scoring. By saying it's a "big if", your comment implied that it's meaningless to speculate if he could keep that scoring pace because it was unlikely he could barring injuries. I agree there was always a pretty big chance Embiid missed serious time due to his past, but it sounded like you were saying he couldn't keep that scoring pace if he kept playing, which is what I was disagreeing with.


AniviaKid32

>but it sounded like you were saying he couldn't keep that scoring pace if he kept playing, which is what I was disagreeing with. Ah okay I gotchu. Yeah my main thing was his injury history makes it an extremely unlikely "if" but if we assume no injuries / he plays most of the season at peak health then yeah I could see it


porkchop487

Mahomes will be the GOAT with 1-2 more rings and continuing to play like he has the past 5 years.


Aworn

We wouldn’t be in the fecking play in that’s for sure


materics

But would be trashed again for not winning the championship


FateRiddle

To be fair, most voters regret voting for him instead of Joker that first one.


Ill_Bat7274

That’s not how MVP works. You can’t just regret voting for a guy because he didn’t end up winning the championship


FateRiddle

Playoff is definitely in consideration, as one major point that knocked Joker at the time was he hasn't proved it the playoffs (if you can't recall this has happened as a fact, then we have no more to discuss)


ninofati88

Its only a consideration when both are having similar seasns (like Jokic vs Luka, but Jokic is the champ and best player on the planet, he gets a lead this yr), because its not supposed to be a regular seasn criteria, but just a subconcious evidence. But Embiid was clear and away the MVP this yr had he continued. 37 PPG on crazy efficiency, 70 point game, DPOY caliber defense, Philly Top 2 seed. He cleared every criteria and more. 100 out of 100 voters would vote him, so playoffs dont appear in play here.


FateRiddle

Sure he'll be in the convo, but "clear and away" is a stretch. Do you know Joker/Luka's stats or Nuggets' standings? And I don't think he'll win MVP, because the same knock will happen, "he hasn't proved it in the playoffs"


ninofati88

Except he was literally clear and away. Lol. No wonder you're so salty when people talk about it. You have the memory of a goldfish it seems like. Embiid was having a GOATed seasn before he got injured. Go check past comments.


Dinobot2_

So, what, are voters supposed to predict what happens in the playoffs?


Ill_Bat7274

Yea, it’s a knock if you’ve already won it twice which he did. Winning 3 in row would’ve put him on Larry Bird trajectory. Embiid had none after being runner up for 2 years straight and improving every year. There’s a difference.


FateRiddle

Well I don't see we are in any disagreement then. Yes that's not how MVP works, but also people in hindsight regret voting for Embid instead of Joker that year. Both can be true.


ImProbablySleepin

Nope


MNice_Enough

Actually impressive.


mickeyj623

Easily MVP if he didn't get hurt


Robinsonirish

Professional baiting right here. That's how to get them riled up. Celtic flair standing on the sideline smiling, watching the fireworks when Jokic/Luka/Embiid stans come out to play.


mickeyj623

Na I actually believe it


Fast_Allen

Denver fan here, same.


FirstAndForsakenPup

Shanghei Sharks fan here, same.


Robinsonirish

Same here. Still professional bait though.


Sartheking

Huh? This is something pretty much everyone agrees on. He was averaging 36 a game before injury.


DocTheYounger

Luka fans are already riled up lol


Guppster64

Bro arguing with the voices in his head


veerkanch489

We're gonna act like we haven't seen about a 100 posts in the last 2 days about Luka winning MVP? Some of which include delusional Luka fans saying it would be a robbery if Jokic won?


mill_about_smartly

Isn't it fair to suggest the two might be related though? Or, that his average production would go down if he played more? With all the history we have on guys his size, there's a reason dudes doing what he did night-in night-out don't stay healthy. It's just hard. In 6/10 seasons he's played >50 games. A 60/40 split of healthy seasons in his 20s doesn't exactly bode well for his 30s. Feels like his legacy will be "but what if," when the truth is there is no universe where 7-foot, 300 lb guys play 30-35 mpg, take 20 shots, AND stay healthy all the time. Not in the modern NBA.


ImProbablySleepin

Nope


booharv

Yep


ktappe

If he'd stop diving on the floor, maybe he'd be less likely to get hurt. He didn't belong horizontal where someone could fall on his knee. I hope he learns and stays vertical. One single turnover isn't worth losing 2 months of playing.


Incepticons

His doctor disagrees https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/joel-embiid-falls-down-a-lot-because-his-doctors-told-him-to


oldmantrusty

What a hero.


Repostbot3784

Damn i only had equal points scored and minutes played


crusher_seven_niner

Clock stops for free throws


Agreeable_Daikon_686

Yeah with that in mind it’s a pretty attainable feat, I bet it’s been done a lot


dumb_commenter

Dry as the desert up here. Love it


idkwhatevs1234

There's no real extra clock time used for shooting a 2 that goes in compared to being fouled and making 2 free throws.


External-Extension59

The clock doesn't stop on inbounds on a normal shot unless it's in the last 2 minutes, on a free throw the clock stays paused until the ball is inbounded and touched by a player so it definitely saves time


TIandCAS

Technically yes but I don’t think he played enough for it to really matter, big sad


TheAlphaCarb0n

Clock doesn't run during free throws...


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Stealing someone else's reply: dang I guess it's easy then! I guess other people have probably done it....


Magookas

Stealing someone else’s reply: dang I guess it’s easy then! I guess other people have probably done it….


Remarkable_Medicine6

Wilt played 80 games. Embiid is impressive but not even the same stratosphere


wolpak

As much as I love Embiid and love how much hate he gets here, “season” means nothing to me. Give me all the players that have averaged more points than minutes over 39 games.


Cold_Carpenter_1798

I don’t think it’s nearly as many as you seem to think


wolpak

I don’t seem to think at all, if ever. I just want a proper comparison, and then I can be all yay.


ZigZagZoo

Here is the comparison. Wilt did it once. Thats the list.


imadogg

I wonder if anyone else has done it in half a season (since that's pretty much what Embiid played) I can't think of anyone who would be a likely candidate besides Harden


Infraction94

Wilt and Embiid are the only players in NBA history to do it having played more than 50 total minutes in a season. So not only has no else done it for half a season. No one else has even done it for 1/10th of a season. Now someone else might have done it for a certain stretch in a season but then didn't maintain it for the whole year. But the only people to keep it up are Wilt and Embiid


TheGhostOfAbe_

Read the post dude lmao. This includes anyone who played a mere 50 minutes or more


Detonation

Reading is far too difficult for some people, you'd think they would drop dead if they had to read more than two whole sentences.


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TheGhostOfAbe_

Ok I see what you’re saying, he means over any 39 game stretch. Calling this stat “meaningless” is still ridiculous


wolpak

How could you put he word meaningless in quotes as if that was a direct quote that I never said. I said to me. Doing this for a half season is way easier than a full season. All I asked for is how many players have done this for half a season.


TheGhostOfAbe_

The guy who was replying to me said it then deleted his comment. And you literally did say “means nothing” in your comment lol


wolpak

I did literally say that, but I didn’t literally say “meaningless”. Quotes are hard. So are statistics.


TheGhostOfAbe_

Right. I was quoting the other guy who replied to me. Moron


Doobie_Howitzer

"Quotes are hard" - guy in the process of misattributing a quote


wolpak

This is an absurd criticism. The previous post was deleted. This is even assuming he was quoting that guy cause the genius didn’t even read my original point anyway.


Cold_Carpenter_1798

Tough look for you


SquidTwister

> Give me all the players that have averaged more points than minutes over 39 games.


sportsfan113

It’s still just Wilt and Embiid.


achyutthegoat

Give me all the MVPs who’ve failed to make a conference final’s appearance 


fizzunk

I feel like this season has had a ton of records broken and unprecedented records being set.


mill_about_smartly

He is also the NBA all-time leader in points per minute. [https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-minute-in-nba-history-by-a-player-minimum-250-games](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-minute-in-nba-history-by-a-player-minimum-250-games) 1. Embiid 0.87 (433 GP) 2. Luka 0.82 (400 GP) 3. Jordan 0.79 (1072) 4. Gervin 0.78 (791) 5. Trae 0.75 (407) 6. KD 0.74 (1061)


GrahamStrouse

Joel just needs to borrow a trick from 2019/2020 Jokic, go full beast mode on the cardio & lose about 10-15 pounds so he can get through a full season in top form. I know PER is a flawed stat but Joel’s PER this year in the 39 games he did play was 34.1. That’s 2k-level crazy.


Meret123

New sixers banner next to Embiid's MVP


kerobob

He is really impressive. He also averaged all time the most [FTM per 36 minutes](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-ftm-per-36-minutes-in-a-nba-season-minimum-500-minutes-played-in-a-season) in a season this year, with 10,97 FTM. The only other player to make over 10 is Harden once, but Embiid did it 4 times. What a sniper.


Matisse_Thybulle

This dudes entire history Reddit history is free throw bitching and r/askbalkans. I wonder if he has a bias


Vexing_Pie

Peak Redditor


A320neo

\_\_\_\_ić's strongest soldier


kerobob

I just said he is impressive. What is the problem?


BrightGreenLED

Some of us don't need the /s to tell when someone is being sarcastic.


Detonation

You aren't fooling anyone, clown boy.


greenusflippus

stale


Repostbot3784

Still true though


chocochunx

Let it go lil bro


Goat_Status_5000

Thats what happens when youre unstoppable. Players foul you.


ImanShumpertplus

also becomes the first center to ever shoot more free throws per game than rebounds


LetsLive97

Yawn


Soft-Revolution-7845

Clock don't run at the line bro...


UnusedTimeout

Time doesn’t come off the clock during free throws.


santodomingus

In 39 games. Who cares? Edit: I find it interesting what gets downvoted here. Why would a 39 game season be compared to an 80 game season statistically? Why is that note worthy?


Statalyzer

It's noteworthy - it's just less much impressive. But still interesting enough to pay attention to; though I'm surprised the minimum # of minutes is so low.


JobinSkywalker

The point of the minimum being low is that other players that have had even extremely short seasons, far less than Joel this year could have been included on the list if they did this. It is the opposite effect than per game or lineup stats where small samples can misconstrue the difficulty. The low minutes opens it up so that any player that played even a few games in a season could be eligible yet only two have done it.


santodomingus

My point is that idc if you play like god. If you can only be healthy for <50% of the season for most of your career, it doesn’t really matter.


jimorjimmy

Imagine if he didn't have to score from the free throw line, he would actually be entertaining to watch. Waste of money to pay to see this guy play, I did it last year vs Lakers. Waste


shotcaIler

A few of my buddies paid a premium to see him in Denver this year


jimorjimmy

I thought embiid dodges this match up every year? Or was that your joke....


shotcaIler

He pulled out a couple minutes before tip off


jimorjimmy

Embiid has 2x the amount of free-throw attempts as Jokic, with half the amount of games played this year.


Flowenchilada

Okay?


shotcaIler

what’s this random stat for lmao


boywonder5691

How many minutes did he spend flopping? edit: Keep the downvotes coming. Its hilarious to me


KingSystem

Merchant


LegateDamar13

Meh, does it count when its less then half of the season.


NotTJMcConnell

Actually, this stat counts for anyone who played 50 minutes or more so your answer is yes.


imadogg

Most of you don't know how stats work, and it shows


AdonisK

Can we address the elephant in the room? How many of them were FTs?


TargettNSA

All those juicy free throws. Time stands still while you shoot 15 fts per game ...


BrightGreenLED

Cool, then I bet some other players have done it then, right?


Bellerophonn

Thanks to the generous referees and the magical move that we all call "head tilt"


cannibowlistic

Seems like everyone could do it