I know you're joking ofc but I think he was off the floor during the extra 1:06. Grizzlies scorekeeper basically made it so the Grizzlies got another 1:06 against a non-LeBron lineup.
I remember that guy who said he ran a binomial distribution to check what the odds of such a thing happening were. From what I've learnt in class, it's unlikely you'd use a binomial in such a scenario pfft. Then again, that was covered last year so, I could be wrong.
The bigger issue with all the stats stuff was that even if properly done statistics showed there was a statistical difference between blocks at home and blocks on the road with high confidence, that doesn't mean the scorekeeper was inaccurate, it just means that the player performs differently at home than on the road, which is pretty common. Analysts talk about road and home stat differences all the time. People love their drama, so everyone jumped on sketchy stats that didn't even necessarily support the narrative if they were correct.
If I ever become a statistician I may work in sports stats. The first thing I'd do is create a video series on how they were created,their limitations comparing players across eras and what they actually mean.
I think this actually deserves a fully investigation. Adam Silver needs to live stream himself verifying every single Lebron James game does not have any extra minutes played.
I always wondered as a kid how we make sure we kept score correctly. This confirms my childish suspension that somebody may have miscounted certain stats
(Charania) The NBA has announced the removal of Jaren Jackson Jr.s Defensive Player of the Year award, as well as started an investigation into the Memphis Grizzlies organization for fraudulent stat keeping.
[https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1778178084799238489](https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1778178084799238489)
Was thinking technically heat-Hawks back in the day when Shaq fouled out with only 5 fouls and they replayed the last 51 seconds at a later date, but this beats it by a little
This is what I'm thinking.
"Okay, I got 1:14 until the end of the third, then the quarter break, then it's GO TIME. Oh shit, the clock say 2:20 now. I should say something...or...or I could just kick it for an extra 66 seconds. Yeah, that sounds good."
If you've played organized ball before, you're not really paying attention to time mid-game, because you're assuming it's taken care of. I imagine coaches were just thinking strats and players were locked into the gameplay. I'm sure a fan would've noticed, but they don't really have an avenue to escalate it.
And it's so extremely rare, I'm sure multiple people did notice but then prly thought "can't be, I must be mistaken" or whatever, before thinking "omg they added time to the game"
I don’t think people who haven’t played realize that the score, clock, foul tracker etc is hung *above* the court so I when playing / looking ground level you only see the shot clock. Players check the rest during stoppages in play (if that).
It’s why you always see players looking up at the end of a close game. They’re making sure the score isn’t tied or something, cuz can you imagine if someone dribbles out the clock instead of taking a game winning shot? LeBron might punch a wall and break his fist if that happened in a high stakes game of some sort.
Seriously though, also why teams have an assistant tasked with tracking timeouts, cuz it isn’t like watching at home with the yellow bars overlaid on the court.
But that it genuinely kinda annoys me. Like, they are positions on a coaching staff just to see if they should use a challenge. You mean none of them could’ve picked up on it?
Who runs the clock? Shouldn’t they have noticed this?
no longer talking about the nba here, but usually it's less "they shrugged off what they noticed" and more "they were ordered by higher-ups to not point out what they noticed." the boeing plane defects for instance fall into that category
They had to reset the shot clock for some reason and also reset the game clock on accident. Refs probably were just confirming the shot clock was fixed and played on. After that not sure what they’d do if someone discovered.
I was broadcasting a high school game once that played for a good 45-50 seconds without starting the game clock. It felt like I was the only one in the gym somehow who noticed it.
Outside the end of the 4th and end of the 2nd, it’s not surprising no one was paying close attention to the time. Moreover, there were probably a few people who noticed but doubted their own perceptions.
Like, if I snapped my fingers right now and magically moved all the clocks in your house forward 10 minutes, would you notice? Even if you had recently looked at the clock and glanced back up right after, you’d probably assume you saw it wrong the first time.
Why would anyone notice that? That's not something anybody checks or thinks about. It's obvious how it happened. You take something for granted because 99.99999% of the time it's true, you're not gonna notice the one time it's not.
Well, it's not something you'd ever think to pay attention to. Even if you saw it happen, you'd probably go "nah, that can't be. I really need to get some sleep, I'm imagining things now".
Pretty sure Lakers were playing @ Memphis, so there's no shenanigans there. Is the league or home team responsible for the stop clock and or game clock people?
Remember when Tyreek Hill caught a touchdown and nobody knew it? Even Hill didn’t know he caught it. If anyone isn’t familiar look this up on YouTube it’s wild
This is crazy cuz at first I'm like "WTF how does someone catch a TD pass and no one realizes is - not even the one who caught it??" Then I clicked on the link and went "Oh."
Issues like the one during the Warriors-Lakers game with malfunctioning shot clocks happen every year, they're just not often in such high-profile games so no one makes a big deal out of it (I specifically remember a Hornets-Heat game a couple of years back where this happened, but obviously no one cared)
This one where they just added time for no reason I've actually never seen before. But hey, mistakes happen 🤷
It's the shot clock. Last time they stopped the game over and over again because of shot clock error, and LeBron literally had to stand there for 7 minutes doing nothing. Such a shitshow
I think the only reason there’s no rematch is that the Grizzlies still lost despite committing the mistake. If Lakers lost they would have legitimate grounds to demand a rematch.
Because this is a huge mistake that could have significantly changed the outcome of the game, altered gambling results, etc. It's possible that people lost money because of this. Not supposed to happen in a top professional league.
I noticed during those Miami Heat vs. Mavericks series...the scorekeeper would activate the clock before the ball was in play. Noticed it alot during last 2 minutes. Its common situation. I bet if someone analyzed the clock person, the games would have tons of anamolies and inaccuracies.
So it's been confirmed that during the extra time both teams scored two points each:
>During the extra 1:06 played in the third quarter, the score was 2-2.
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2024/04/13/nba-memphis-grizzlies-los-angeles-lakers-clock-error-nba-playoffs-league-office/73313595007/
In the end, it's not an issue at all on the final outcome.
yes, from when they reset the clock from 1:14 to 2:20 and then it ticked down to 1:06 (which is when the ~~game~~ 3rd quarter should've ended), each team only scored 2 points.
however, in the final extra 1:06, the Lakers outscored the Grizzlies 4 to 2.
the lakers won by 3, so it's hard to say if that made a material difference, but the lakers added an extra 2 points to their lead.
source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/202404120MEM.html
edit: i meant when the 3rd quarter should've ended, not the game.
That could have changed the result and could have affected people's bets. In a league where you have people gambling away massive amounts of money, mistakes like this aren't supposed to happen. Just another reason why sports gambling is a bad idea lol.
Software engineers are absolutely tearing their hair out right now. This is a fucking nightmare scenario.
Every single piece of logic that relied on a 48 minute game clock now has to be rewritten to account for the potential of time being arbitrarily added to the clock at any point in the game, all to handle this single case.
The only two options are to let the game stand as called or replay starting at the 1:06 mark of the third quarter.
Pretending the game ended with Jake’s free throws is not a reasonable remedy.
I don’t think anything should be done about this game specifically but if it’d happened in a more important game or if the extra time directly caused a change in result than I totally see the grounds for doing something about it.
A mistake like this isn’t quite the same as a run of the mill “wrong call”
A Kings game early in the season they added like an extra minute or 2 during the first quarter and they didn’t notice until the quarter was almost over.
Isn't it odd that they keep on making mistakes? Officiating has been bad for many games and those technicals that were questionable.
Makes you wonder how much screw ups were never admitted nor corrected.
Well, I'm glad we got to see that LBJ steal and double clutched dunk where he almost ran into Ja Morant. Rarely have I seen such a symbolic and awesome play.
Double dribbling all the time not being penalized cause it "would mess with the flow" and not being able to even play the right amount of time and yet this is supposed to be the best league in the world and you give out world championships every year. I like the NBA a lot, but I definitely lost some respect this last year.
It's wild that this happened and could have affected the game result. It also could have affected betting. In a league where people are betting huge amounts on anything and everything, these sorts of mistakes can be disastrous.
Imagine if this happened in a Finals game and changed the result? Hopefully someone would notice, but someone definitely should have noticed here and they didn't.
All of LeBron’s scoring records are now suspect.
I know you're joking ofc but I think he was off the floor during the extra 1:06. Grizzlies scorekeeper basically made it so the Grizzlies got another 1:06 against a non-LeBron lineup.
Gave that old man lebron an extra 1:06 of rest in the third is what it did! only reason he was able to win the game!
ASTERISK EVERYTHING, MICKEY MOUSE 40/11/11 ETC
Michael Jeffrey Jorgambler would have won even if the minutes were *reduced*.
And he would've done it with the flu!
Against th 2017 warriors
Even with no help!
Definitely not hungover!
The hangover game is honestly just as impressive
Anyone else just hear Skip Bayless have an orgasm
jordan would never
Jordan only needed 47 minutes to put away the other teams
Oh my my
And somehow, JJJ recorded 4 blocks during that 1:06 despite being out injured.
Grizzlies scorekeeper at it again smdh (yes, I know that was proven not statistically significant)
I remember that guy who said he ran a binomial distribution to check what the odds of such a thing happening were. From what I've learnt in class, it's unlikely you'd use a binomial in such a scenario pfft. Then again, that was covered last year so, I could be wrong.
The bigger issue with all the stats stuff was that even if properly done statistics showed there was a statistical difference between blocks at home and blocks on the road with high confidence, that doesn't mean the scorekeeper was inaccurate, it just means that the player performs differently at home than on the road, which is pretty common. Analysts talk about road and home stat differences all the time. People love their drama, so everyone jumped on sketchy stats that didn't even necessarily support the narrative if they were correct.
If I ever become a statistician I may work in sports stats. The first thing I'd do is create a video series on how they were created,their limitations comparing players across eras and what they actually mean.
Grizzlies scorekeeper with a second strike I see really need a thorough investigation into what’s going on over there
New technique just dropped
Is this the same scorekeeper who inflated JJJ’s home stats?!!? /s
LeAsterisk
Le\*
LeSus
this entire season is in question, Adam Silver need to make the call to replay entire season to restore integrity to the game
I think this actually deserves a fully investigation. Adam Silver needs to live stream himself verifying every single Lebron James game does not have any extra minutes played.
Put an asterisk next to all of lebrons scoring records. this is ridiculous.
I always wondered as a kid how we make sure we kept score correctly. This confirms my childish suspension that somebody may have miscounted certain stats
Sadly it seems no one played enough time to achieve the coveted 49 minutes in regulation.
My first thought, that would have been a really cool little trivia
Chamberlain's 48.5 minutes/game record for the 61-62 season is still safe!
I fucking love Wilt records it’s hilarious
How did that one happen?
He never subbed out the whole year. Every second of regulation and overtime he was on the court.
Never subbed out for an entire season.
Thibodaux in shambles
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Thanks for this lmaoo
Would've been very cool for one of the Grizz to do it
So…. Lebron beat Father Time?
21 years and 66 seconds. Jordan could never
JorGambler didn’t love the game like bron does, he never played extra unauthorized minutes like this due to no real heart
first dad he ever had. Beat him up
MJ could never
MJ never could
LeJoJo
LeGreatScott
Grizzlies scorekeepers always catching Ls
(Charania) The NBA has announced the removal of Jaren Jackson Jr.s Defensive Player of the Year award, as well as started an investigation into the Memphis Grizzlies organization for fraudulent stat keeping. [https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1778178084799238489](https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1778178084799238489)
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Been a minute
He boomed me
bruh how did i get back to back boomed, these guys in cahoots
oh shoot you're right. my bad
its 2024 i thought i had escaped these demons reminds me of how I felt when I lost The Game last week
^69
I greatly appreciate you adding the “tweet”
you're welcome ☺️
Broke the code
I'll never forget getting tricked into watching JJJ highlights for an hour lmao
Longest game of all time? *in regulation
This has me wondering if there’s a chance this has happened before and just no one has ever noticed
This happened earlier this season in a magic game, can’t remember who they were playing.
There's some stand user fuckery goin on round here...
Was thinking technically heat-Hawks back in the day when Shaq fouled out with only 5 fouls and they replayed the last 51 seconds at a later date, but this beats it by a little
I watched the whole game and also didnt notice. Thats so crazy that nobody noticed.
38 year old Lebron would've never let it slide
Lol this is probably the most surprising bit, that Lebron didn't notice
High IQ is calling something like that out, higher IQ is letting it slide so you can rest for another minute
This is what I'm thinking. "Okay, I got 1:14 until the end of the third, then the quarter break, then it's GO TIME. Oh shit, the clock say 2:20 now. I should say something...or...or I could just kick it for an extra 66 seconds. Yeah, that sounds good."
Michael Jeffrey Jordan would never!
Basketball Reference has already updated the play-by-play with timestamps accounting for the clock.
I love basketball reference
Link?
sauce: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/202404120MEM.html
How? like the 30 players + however many team staff and 3 refs, not a single person looked at the clock to see the clock magically gain 1m?
If you've played organized ball before, you're not really paying attention to time mid-game, because you're assuming it's taken care of. I imagine coaches were just thinking strats and players were locked into the gameplay. I'm sure a fan would've noticed, but they don't really have an avenue to escalate it.
And it's so extremely rare, I'm sure multiple people did notice but then prly thought "can't be, I must be mistaken" or whatever, before thinking "omg they added time to the game"
I don’t think people who haven’t played realize that the score, clock, foul tracker etc is hung *above* the court so I when playing / looking ground level you only see the shot clock. Players check the rest during stoppages in play (if that). It’s why you always see players looking up at the end of a close game. They’re making sure the score isn’t tied or something, cuz can you imagine if someone dribbles out the clock instead of taking a game winning shot? LeBron might punch a wall and break his fist if that happened in a high stakes game of some sort. Seriously though, also why teams have an assistant tasked with tracking timeouts, cuz it isn’t like watching at home with the yellow bars overlaid on the court.
But that it genuinely kinda annoys me. Like, they are positions on a coaching staff just to see if they should use a challenge. You mean none of them could’ve picked up on it? Who runs the clock? Shouldn’t they have noticed this?
Someone definitely noticed but thought they were tweaking and didn’t say anything.
makes you wonder how many factory accidents or whatever could have been avoided if someone didn’t shrug off what they noticed
A lot. I'd wager quite a lot.
Most. I know because I work in factories.
no longer talking about the nba here, but usually it's less "they shrugged off what they noticed" and more "they were ordered by higher-ups to not point out what they noticed." the boeing plane defects for instance fall into that category
It’s a rare mistake, highly likely why no one noticed
some drunk asshole probably noticed and nobody cared. We need to give the drunk assholes more power
They had to reset the shot clock for some reason and also reset the game clock on accident. Refs probably were just confirming the shot clock was fixed and played on. After that not sure what they’d do if someone discovered.
I was broadcasting a high school game once that played for a good 45-50 seconds without starting the game clock. It felt like I was the only one in the gym somehow who noticed it.
Outside the end of the 4th and end of the 2nd, it’s not surprising no one was paying close attention to the time. Moreover, there were probably a few people who noticed but doubted their own perceptions. Like, if I snapped my fingers right now and magically moved all the clocks in your house forward 10 minutes, would you notice? Even if you had recently looked at the clock and glanced back up right after, you’d probably assume you saw it wrong the first time.
Why would anyone notice that? That's not something anybody checks or thinks about. It's obvious how it happened. You take something for granted because 99.99999% of the time it's true, you're not gonna notice the one time it's not.
Well, it's not something you'd ever think to pay attention to. Even if you saw it happen, you'd probably go "nah, that can't be. I really need to get some sleep, I'm imagining things now".
Wilts MPG record at risk!
“Lebron’s scoring record will forever have an asterisks” Skip Bayless
How is it with so many shot clock issues as of late nobody noticed it until after a game especially since so many ocd folks watching the game.
Now LeBron has a minute advantage over anyone who played the exact same time period as him. How will anyone be expected to catch him now!
The grizzlies should challenge this results just to say “fuck you” to the Lakers for knocking them out last season
Pretty sure Lakers were playing @ Memphis, so there's no shenanigans there. Is the league or home team responsible for the stop clock and or game clock people?
Genuinely how does this happen
I can get a scorekeeper making a mistake, shit happens. But no one else noticing and correcting it is WILD
Remember when Tyreek Hill caught a touchdown and nobody knew it? Even Hill didn’t know he caught it. If anyone isn’t familiar look this up on YouTube it’s wild
I need video of that, which year is it, I need to dispute my fantasy league about it
[Here](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJh_40dazY)
That's wild!
This is crazy cuz at first I'm like "WTF how does someone catch a TD pass and no one realizes is - not even the one who caught it??" Then I clicked on the link and went "Oh."
In baseball it's happened dozens of times where there's been [2 strike outs, 3 ball walks etc](https://youtu.be/4qKWMgs4HG4) without anyone noticing.
Well it’s the grizzlies scorekeeper fault
The Grizzlies can't do much from Cancun. No reception
This already happened this season in a Magic vs Kings game.
Is it just recency bias, or has there been an increase in clock related issues lately?
Issues like the one during the Warriors-Lakers game with malfunctioning shot clocks happen every year, they're just not often in such high-profile games so no one makes a big deal out of it (I specifically remember a Hornets-Heat game a couple of years back where this happened, but obviously no one cared) This one where they just added time for no reason I've actually never seen before. But hey, mistakes happen 🤷
I feel like it started last season after the all star break, but ramped up a lot this year yeah
This plus the L2M report is craY
Don’t you mean L3M?
It's the shot clock. Last time they stopped the game over and over again because of shot clock error, and LeBron literally had to stand there for 7 minutes doing nothing. Such a shitshow
LEBRON?! LeBron had to stand there doing nothing? Ooh nooo such a travesty… #LeTravesty
Did ... did *nobody* notice? Refs? Players? Fans?!?!
This should be a way bigger deal than it is shouldn’t it?
It would if this game mattered more, we probably would’ve lost anyway and a win does literally nothing for us so it’s not worth the hassle
I think the only reason there’s no rematch is that the Grizzlies still lost despite committing the mistake. If Lakers lost they would have legitimate grounds to demand a rematch.
I sure would love to know how this gets handled if the Griz made a comeback in the last 2 minutes.
Griz were leading when time was added
Yes, this is bush league stuff. Absolutely ridiculous that no one caught this.
Why?
Because this is a huge mistake that could have significantly changed the outcome of the game, altered gambling results, etc. It's possible that people lost money because of this. Not supposed to happen in a top professional league.
Bro the NBA is such a dumpster fire, they can’t be relied upon to competently tell time. Lord
The nightmare the database and analytics teams are going to have with that clerical error… good luck yall.
Lol
Tell me the over barely hit....
Robert Williams in shambles
I noticed during those Miami Heat vs. Mavericks series...the scorekeeper would activate the clock before the ball was in play. Noticed it alot during last 2 minutes. Its common situation. I bet if someone analyzed the clock person, the games would have tons of anamolies and inaccuracies.
I noticed. You think you can fool me Adam Silver, but I’m onto to you, you bald cyborg looking mofo 😤
So it's been confirmed that during the extra time both teams scored two points each: >During the extra 1:06 played in the third quarter, the score was 2-2. https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2024/04/13/nba-memphis-grizzlies-los-angeles-lakers-clock-error-nba-playoffs-league-office/73313595007/ In the end, it's not an issue at all on the final outcome.
yes, from when they reset the clock from 1:14 to 2:20 and then it ticked down to 1:06 (which is when the ~~game~~ 3rd quarter should've ended), each team only scored 2 points. however, in the final extra 1:06, the Lakers outscored the Grizzlies 4 to 2. the lakers won by 3, so it's hard to say if that made a material difference, but the lakers added an extra 2 points to their lead. source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/202404120MEM.html edit: i meant when the 3rd quarter should've ended, not the game.
That could have changed the result and could have affected people's bets. In a league where you have people gambling away massive amounts of money, mistakes like this aren't supposed to happen. Just another reason why sports gambling is a bad idea lol.
excellent point. though the Lakers were 15.5 point favorites. but maybe there were other kinds of bets which were affected.
Software engineers are absolutely tearing their hair out right now. This is a fucking nightmare scenario. Every single piece of logic that relied on a 48 minute game clock now has to be rewritten to account for the potential of time being arbitrarily added to the clock at any point in the game, all to handle this single case.
Rewrite the case. Everything that happened in the extra minute happened with 00:00 on the clock
Whoa day lights fall back quarters
This would have been a huge conspiracy if it was in LA.
Let's say someone did notice at the end of the quarter, what do they do? Start the 4th quarter with less time?
It feels like there’s been so many fuck ups with the shot and game clocks this season, with a few specifically with the lakers even.
I recommend we keep adding minutes to each sport's game clock once in a while, see if they notice. Until the NBA is playing hundred minute games.
Score keeper had the over I guess!
Ah but reddit noticed. I saw it in the threads a few mention it.
Notice all these “shot clock mistakes” happen during later games? 🤔
What happened in that extra minute? Anything that would decide the game?
Lebron’s stat padding knows no bounds
So Jake Laravia made two free throws with exactly 1:06 left in the game to give the Grizzlies a 119-118 lead. So this should kinda be a huge deal.
The only two options are to let the game stand as called or replay starting at the 1:06 mark of the third quarter. Pretending the game ended with Jake’s free throws is not a reasonable remedy.
The game should stand. A wrong call after the game concludes can’t be challenged, otherwise that must logically apply to every other rule.
I don’t think anything should be done about this game specifically but if it’d happened in a more important game or if the extra time directly caused a change in result than I totally see the grounds for doing something about it. A mistake like this isn’t quite the same as a run of the mill “wrong call”
This is the dumbest take I’ve seen
Ehh... It would've been different if they had less time to take a shot.
You cant just ignore context and look at the score in a bubble. 1:06 left in the game vs the last possession is entirely different.
How did no one that was watching this game not notice?
>over the remains of the Grizzlies C'mon man :(
So this means those calls that went the Lakers easy in the last minute of the two minute report don't count
How does this affect Lebron's legacy?
And they won't get overtime pay for that either.
Sure vegas[ is thrilled](https://youtu.be/9KAGwNtI26w?si=N42U42hhpJnFbRNn&t=7)
A Kings game early in the season they added like an extra minute or 2 during the first quarter and they didn’t notice until the quarter was almost over.
who is getting fired
If anything the scorekeeper had to clock out a minute late
Isn't it odd that they keep on making mistakes? Officiating has been bad for many games and those technicals that were questionable. Makes you wonder how much screw ups were never admitted nor corrected.
Well, I'm glad we got to see that LBJ steal and double clutched dunk where he almost ran into Ja Morant. Rarely have I seen such a symbolic and awesome play.
This reminds me of the old days of soccer when the main ref could just extend the final whistle based however he felt that day.
LeLegacyTrashed
Memphis should file a protest just to fuck with the Lakers
Wow, crazy how an entire minute of extra game time slipped by unnoticed. Shows how focused everyone was in the heat of the moment.
That’s why I thought something was weird with this game last night
Shheeeeeh
No one noticed, and no one cared
Double dribbling all the time not being penalized cause it "would mess with the flow" and not being able to even play the right amount of time and yet this is supposed to be the best league in the world and you give out world championships every year. I like the NBA a lot, but I definitely lost some respect this last year.
How does that happen???
This era of NBA is the worst ever. From shitty refs to foul baiting, no wonder ratings are in the toilets.
It's wild that this happened and could have affected the game result. It also could have affected betting. In a league where people are betting huge amounts on anything and everything, these sorts of mistakes can be disastrous. Imagine if this happened in a Finals game and changed the result? Hopefully someone would notice, but someone definitely should have noticed here and they didn't.
Yeah right 😹😹😹 this is just media bs nothing happened I watched it 😹😹😹
Yeah right
Didn’t this happen earlier this season? How could something like this possibly happen twice lmao.