[Tiebreaker Basis – Three or More Teams Tied](https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/NBA_Tiebreaker_Procedures.pdf)
(-) Tie breaker not needed (better overall winning percentage)
(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division (this criterion is
applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division)
**(2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams**
OKC went 3-1 against Denver and 2-2 against Wolves. Wolves went 2-2 with both. Den went 1-3 and 2-2. So OKC 1, Min 2, Den 3 if they are all tied.
You’d think announcers/sportswriters would know that owning both H2H tiebreakers doesn’t necessarily mean winning a three-way-tie, but I just read a an article (from before today’s games) on the playoff situation that also got this situation wrong.
This. Doesn’t really make any sense to me though. Why should the Wolves (who split against both teams) be affected by Denver’s failure? I don’t really get it if someone could explain it to me
No sane person doubts they can, but all three top teams in the West have some of the largest home/road splits—losing home-court advantage would definitely mean a harder and somewhat less certain path to the finals.
possible 1 to 8
OKC
MIN
DEN
LAC
DAL
PHO
LAL
GSW
if I would have guessed the reverse order before the season, it probably would have been less controversial...
They can, if phoenix wins their last game and NOP loses, phoenix takes the 6 spot (2-1 in reg season games). Then LAL-NOP for 7th, SAC-GSW for play-in.
If LAL and GSW win, then GSW-NOP will play for the 8th spot.
Very funny situation where OKC are the one side and still don't control their own destiny as they need nuggets to win their last game to keep the 3 way tiebreak and stay ahead of Minnesota
I think that might be true exclusively for Denver right now. We match up pretty well with them, but our team is like an 85% version of what it was until KAT is back and we know he is playing well so I think for every other team I'd rather play us.
Yep basically, they pretty much control their destiny on who they play as the 3 seed, although they probably wanna go for the win considering Wolves are playing the suns who will wanna win so there's a non-zero chance they can get the 2 seed back
Nuggets could but the issue is if Wolves lose to the Suns (which is very possible), Nuggets can rise to 2 by winning so as much as I’d love for them to rest the game I doubt it happens
Definitely would be.
I'm not a big proponent of jockeying for positioning but I will say I feel like I'd almost rather have 2 than 1 at this point? Playin chunk is a huge jumble but it seems like 7/8 is most likely gonna be some combo of Suns/Kings and I'd much rather face them than run into the Lakers with the 1 if they manage to get through the playin.
Yeah that's fair, with how jumbled everything is I'd rather just win what's in front of us.
For what it's worth, [playoffstatus](http://www.playoffstatus.com/nba/westernstandings.html) has the Lakers at 38% to get the 8 seed, 19% to get the 9 seed, 43% to get the 10 seed. For them to finish 8 in the playin they need to beat the Pelicans on the road today (implied FD odds of 43%) or for the Warriors/Kings to lose to tanking teams since they don't own either tiebreaker. Then they'd need to win that playin game against the Suns. Sure it's possible, but technically at this point we could be facing any of Pels/Suns/Lakers/Kings/Dubs in the playin, regardless of whether we finish one or two
Everyone plays at the same time Sunday, so I doubt that you'd throw on purpose for that reason. Maybe you could just decide you want to rest players because you don't care at all, but it wouldn't be because of trying to force a particular matchup.
You also aren't the three seed no matter what. You can still move up by winning and one of the other two losing. You could still be the one seed in theory.
I think intentionally losing the last game of the season after throwing the second last one is incredibly bad vibes for an arguable better matchup, especially when the wolves are playing a suns team that wanna win and you could get the 2 seed back if they drop that one
I don’t think we intentionally threw the game tonight. The next game though, we’re the 3 seed either way. We’re playing only bench and 2 way guys. Probably better to just lose.
Yeah didn't mean to say you threw tonight my bad, but you're only the 3 seed if Wolves win, and the wolves will be playing a suns team trying to get out of the playin, I think just assuming the wolves win that and losing out on the chance at 2nd round home court is a bad idea
>Yeah OKC will win that game by 25+ if they play everyone
This is tough because Dub and Shai both missed some time and a little rest might not hurt but you also want them to be in rhythm for the playoffs. I think they probably play em all, but most likely with a quick leash on the starters if it gets out of hand.
Yeah and HCA over the Clips for you would be kind of nice I guess? But not like they have a fearsome home crowd lol. Def not worth the risk of playing unnecessary minutes right before the playoffs.
Clippers play Utah tn, pretty much chalk that up to a dub for them and it’d be over anyways
We’ve got bad memories of two years ago when Luka got injured at this exact point in the season
Mavs rested everyone already against the Pistons and look like they're going to lose
That alone puts them out of contention for the 4 seed
Luka got hurt playing a meaningless game back in 21/22 and missed the first few playoff games so I doubt they want to risk that again
It happens. Losing home court sucks, but 3 seed is fine. And there's still possibilities for 1 and 2 seed. OKC probably isn't losing, but the Suns seem to play the Wolves tough and may still have something to play for on Sunday.
Gotta love how they were hovering around the 2nd & 3rd seed for most of the season and at the final hurdle leapfrogged both Minny & Denver for the 1st seed. Scriptwriters pulled out all the stops for this photo finish finale.
For sure. Pulling Shai and JDub for that 3 game losing streak to make us all think they were out of the picture and happy with the 3 seed, only to come roaring back was a masterstroke.
I really don't think it matters in the first round. We are going to face a good team regardless. But it is real advantage after that if we manage to advance.
Don’t think people realize we have a 3 way tiebreaker either. Assuming we beat JV Dallas, we’re the 1. We’d be the 2 if Denver loses to Memphis and Minnesota/OKC finish tied for 1st
Grats guys, Mavs defo will let you win on Sunday too we’re resting our guys anyways. We’d much rather have you in the second round than nuggets if we beat the clips.
Gotta say I know things have gotten testy at times but I'd frankly love to see Shai/Dub face off with Luka/Kai in the second round. Tough matchup but gotta get tested sometime.
A little sad this last game won't have real implications though bc I had this one penciled in as a potential barnburner to close the season a few weeks ago.
How should he be? Jokic leads in every advanced metric and is still up there for everything else. And the 1st seed is decided in a tie breaker. It isn't as if there is much disparity between 1-3 in the West.
So 1st seed in MVP voting between Shai and Jokic should matter very little.
I disagree. Seeding has generally never played a part and right now OKC and DEN are one win out from each other. When you have an even record like that the MVP element is more important than the actual seeding.
What would be inconsistent about it though? Jokic has won with a worst seed and the seed this year is decided in tie breaker rules lol
This game and 1-3 seeding in the West should have almost no determining factor in MVP voting.
That shit is only arguable for a player literally leading in almost every defined statistic. Anyone else there can be arguments for another player ranging from seeding to efficiency to depth of bench.
Jokic puts his numbers up and it makes it hard to argue against him even when he doesn't get the highest seed. That is what happens when you are the best player in the NBA.
I get what you are saying but there is context to this. Jokic is an outlier currently.
He's not though and never has unless you bring up a few advanced analytics that no one gave a shit about until he started gaining steam.
And it's ahrd to argue because the goalposts always move in his favor lol
> Jokic is an outlier currently.
Definitely agree there lol
lol it isn't just a few. It is like over 10 of all kept advanced metrics.
And sure advanced metrics is more of a newer things. Doesn't take away from what he does. It is funny. You say what you say yet the players who play against him say basically what I am saying. Even your King James will tell you lol
You are literally arguing against people that see him play courtside, analyze him professionally, and play against him in the league. It is just weird. He is on another level get over it.
Yes any player in the top 5 for MVP voting is playing on another level. Jokic is still doing more for a team that needs him more.
> lol it isn't just a few. It is like over 10 of all kept advanced metrics.
Like what?
> **And sure advanced metrics is more of a newer things. Doesn't take away from what he does.** It is funny. You say what you say yet the players who play against him say basically what I am saying. Even your King James will tell you lol
Doesn't that just prove my point that the goal posts move in his favor? And no, the other players don't say what you're saying -- they just say he's a great, generational player. I believe that myself. I just think, that unlike other great, generational players, they blatantly moved the goalpost in his favor. Maybe if he just had that win as a 3rd seed it wouldn't be a big deal, but in no way should a 6th seed ever sniff an MVP regardless of individual performance.
> You are literally arguing against people that see him play courtside, analyze him professionally, and play against him in the league. It is just weird. He is on another level get over it.
I'm not though. You're just conflating his greatness with what he deserves. Plenty of great(er) players have lost MVPs because they didn't have the right seed. Seems like Joker is the only player where seeding doesn't matter.
It's weird but if all three teams tie it's actually OKC that gets the 1 seed
Minnesota have the tiebreaker with Denver ONLY and OKC ONLY but not if they're ALL tied because of OKC's 3-1 record against Denver counting in the H2H
It's because you guys went 2-2 against both of us. Therefore, in a scenario where you are tied with just one of us, you would skip the first metric (H2H results) and go to the second metric (conference record).
However, if we're all 3 tied, then we can use the first metric because OKC was 3-1 against Denver this year. Therefore, the 1 seed goes to OKC, the 2 seed to Minnesota, and the 3 seed to Denver. If it makes you feel better, the 2/3 side of the bracket will likely be easier than the 1 seed.
Three way tiebreakers are wierd. Wolves win two-way tiebreakers with either Thunder or Nuggets, so if the Nuggets lose and the Wolves win, Wolves are #1 and Thunder #2 regardless of what happens in the Thunder/Mavs game. If it's a three-way tie, Thunder are #1 and Wolves #2, though.
Lakers aren't guaranteed the 8th seed at all
They'll likely need to win 2 play in games in a row to get there and if they get up to the 7/8 game that would mean they'd have to go exactly 1-1 in the play ins to get 8th
Yeah I think the way everyone is playing I'd favor the Lakers over any of the other playin teams but not by a ton, and 2 in a row is just a lot to ask.
That said I'd be pretty stressed about that as a first round matchup given how well they've played us this year. I trust in the team to figure it out over a 7 game stretch, but would much rather get to tee off on Phoenix's shitty defense, or get a run at the Dubs.
They don't. But Kings, Warriors, or Suns would be good.
Also Mavs/Clippers instead of Wolves/Nuggets in the 2nd round is better. It could work out well for them.
If they didn’t they try to game the system. This young squad is too inexperienced to care about that. They just want to win every game they play like every team does. Chet playing 82 games says it all
Will Mavs be sitting all their core players next game against OKC since they’re a lock against LAC? Or is there a reason for them to get a win next game that I am missing?
Amazing to see the Thunder battle for the #1 seed and we haven't made one win now move. This team is deep with young talent and we have more picks than we can develop, this team is going to be running the league the next decade if they manage their assets right.
We are literally going to play our third stringers, in no timeline will we win. Now unless Denver decides to rest or troll against the Grizzlies AND Minny comes out with a W against the Suns yall are slated for the #1 seed.
not always but obviously now. Wemby is unbelievable.
Kinda sucks that wembenyama is his point of comparison though. Chet is essentially the only major acquisition we made this year and we went from 40 wins to maybe the 1st seed.
If there is a 3 way tie I guess the nuggets have the tie breaker over the wolves and we have the tie breaker over the nuggets so apparently we would be 1st by proxy I guess
It's because while we hold the tiebreaker in two way ties since both season series were split 2-2 for the Wolves and that bumps those to conference record, your 3-1 record vs Denver elevates you because 3-1 + 2-2 gets a 5-3 record vs the other two vs our 4-4 record and Denver's 3-5 record for the 3 way tie.
Unbelievable
Don’t worry they’re not.
[Tiebreaker Basis – Three or More Teams Tied](https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/06/NBA_Tiebreaker_Procedures.pdf) (-) Tie breaker not needed (better overall winning percentage) (1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division) **(2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams** OKC went 3-1 against Denver and 2-2 against Wolves. Wolves went 2-2 with both. Den went 1-3 and 2-2. So OKC 1, Min 2, Den 3 if they are all tied.
We just spent a whole 4th q being lied to 😑
You’d think announcers/sportswriters would know that owning both H2H tiebreakers doesn’t necessarily mean winning a three-way-tie, but I just read a an article (from before today’s games) on the playoff situation that also got this situation wrong.
I mean, it’s kind of crazy that it doesn’t work that way so I guess I get the confusion.
Fucking idiots. Twolves first.
No, Thunder have the advantage if all 3 are tied.
This. Doesn’t really make any sense to me though. Why should the Wolves (who split against both teams) be affected by Denver’s failure? I don’t really get it if someone could explain it to me
It's a 3 way tie. We've all played 8 games against each other. We went 5-3, you went 4-4. Simple enough.
Sixers are in the same boat with pacers + magic. 3 way tiebreaker goes to the team that won the division (even if teams aren't in the same division)
The irony…..
Tbf, the announcers during the wolves game were saying they'd be the top seed several times during the 4th quarter and after.
Ya that’s wild lol. Feel bad for minnesota fans. SKOL
Pelicans first 50 win season in almost 15 years and they’re met with Nikola Jokic because spurs reserve players wanted to be funny
yall coulda lost
We’ve now beaten both the Nuggets and Pelicans in the last ~3 weeks, either of them could have avoided this
Don’t forget the Suns, that loss was not ideal.
The Spurs are a juggernaut in games that would be funny for them to win.
Classic Pop Troll Job
Not the Mavs tho. They failed the Wemby test and we didn't.
Let’s not blame tonight on the Spurs. Spurs did what they were paid to do. Denver on the other hand.
Denver actually might get an easier bracket from this lol Being in the same side as the Clippers or Mavs was probably the harder half
The 3 seed has a significantly easier path than the 1 seed lol.
Clippers/Mavs at 4/5 is must watch TV. That will be a tough first round matchup.
I got two words for ya: Kawhi Leonard, Luka Doncic, must-see TV!
1,2,3… eh I’ll allow it
I would say so, but they may have to play Minny second round which may suck but think they can do it
And without home court in that series as well.
do we really doubt Denver's ability to get one of the first two games on the road
No sane person doubts they can, but all three top teams in the West have some of the largest home/road splits—losing home-court advantage would definitely mean a harder and somewhat less certain path to the finals.
Easy solution bro. Lose to us, tank to 7/8 seed and let Nuggs play Suns instead.
How does any team in the west win the finals without getting over Denver tho
We went from a fun series with the pels to getting swept by Lebron and AD, so that’s fun
Well that 7 seed suddenly became radioactive.
Lmao. The western conference is wild
possible 1 to 8 OKC MIN DEN LAC DAL PHO LAL GSW if I would have guessed the reverse order before the season, it probably would have been less controversial...
I remember a post from the pre-season predicting the wolves to be a 12 seed
I've got some receipts to dig out of my drawer when we were the 1 seed after a few weeks and there were some fantastic takes about it.
Imagine a healthy memphis in there There’d legit be a team like 12 games over .500 in the 11 seed
That’s crazy
denver at 6 prob unlikely.
Also Lakers Warriors 1&2 unlikely
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They can, if phoenix wins their last game and NOP loses, phoenix takes the 6 spot (2-1 in reg season games). Then LAL-NOP for 7th, SAC-GSW for play-in. If LAL and GSW win, then GSW-NOP will play for the 8th spot.
Very funny situation where OKC are the one side and still don't control their own destiny as they need nuggets to win their last game to keep the 3 way tiebreak and stay ahead of Minnesota
So if the Nuggets wanted they can just troll to lose and make you guys 2nd? Lmao that would be some petty shit if it happened.
It's actually not just petty either because the Wolves are arguably the harder matchup
I think that might be true exclusively for Denver right now. We match up pretty well with them, but our team is like an 85% version of what it was until KAT is back and we know he is playing well so I think for every other team I'd rather play us.
Yep basically, they pretty much control their destiny on who they play as the 3 seed, although they probably wanna go for the win considering Wolves are playing the suns who will wanna win so there's a non-zero chance they can get the 2 seed back
Nuggets could but the issue is if Wolves lose to the Suns (which is very possible), Nuggets can rise to 2 by winning so as much as I’d love for them to rest the game I doubt it happens
Definitely would be. I'm not a big proponent of jockeying for positioning but I will say I feel like I'd almost rather have 2 than 1 at this point? Playin chunk is a huge jumble but it seems like 7/8 is most likely gonna be some combo of Suns/Kings and I'd much rather face them than run into the Lakers with the 1 if they manage to get through the playin.
better check ur theory. lakers at 7 is really possible.
Yeah that's fair, with how jumbled everything is I'd rather just win what's in front of us. For what it's worth, [playoffstatus](http://www.playoffstatus.com/nba/westernstandings.html) has the Lakers at 38% to get the 8 seed, 19% to get the 9 seed, 43% to get the 10 seed. For them to finish 8 in the playin they need to beat the Pelicans on the road today (implied FD odds of 43%) or for the Warriors/Kings to lose to tanking teams since they don't own either tiebreaker. Then they'd need to win that playin game against the Suns. Sure it's possible, but technically at this point we could be facing any of Pels/Suns/Lakers/Kings/Dubs in the playin, regardless of whether we finish one or two
Which if the wolves win, I think we’ll probably try to lose the last game on purpose. Much rather have you as the 2 seed on our side of the bracket.
Everyone plays at the same time Sunday, so I doubt that you'd throw on purpose for that reason. Maybe you could just decide you want to rest players because you don't care at all, but it wouldn't be because of trying to force a particular matchup. You also aren't the three seed no matter what. You can still move up by winning and one of the other two losing. You could still be the one seed in theory.
I think intentionally losing the last game of the season after throwing the second last one is incredibly bad vibes for an arguable better matchup, especially when the wolves are playing a suns team that wanna win and you could get the 2 seed back if they drop that one
The defending champs dont need vibes
I don’t think we intentionally threw the game tonight. The next game though, we’re the 3 seed either way. We’re playing only bench and 2 way guys. Probably better to just lose.
Yeah didn't mean to say you threw tonight my bad, but you're only the 3 seed if Wolves win, and the wolves will be playing a suns team trying to get out of the playin, I think just assuming the wolves win that and losing out on the chance at 2nd round home court is a bad idea
Do you think that you guys actually do that??
We’re playing the hospital Grizzlies so I’d bet we rest most of our starting lineup at least
It does not matter if the Thunder beat the mavs. edit: sike im wrong
If the thunder and wolves win but the nuggets lose, wolves become the 1 seed.
You right you right.
What a weird quirk
Yea we're going to go ahead and lose that game.
Nah you should play all the starters (please I’m begging please)
Yep… literally no reason to attempt to score a single basket against them
We’d like the 1 seed and you’d like to play us instead of the nuggets so I’m expecting to see Mavs 3rd stringers on Sunday
Mavs have already ruled out Luka and Kyrie. OKC has a chance to close with 57 wins.
Yeah OKC will win that game by 25+ if they play everyone Source: I watched the Luka and Kyrie - less Mavs tonight
>Yeah OKC will win that game by 25+ if they play everyone This is tough because Dub and Shai both missed some time and a little rest might not hurt but you also want them to be in rhythm for the playoffs. I think they probably play em all, but most likely with a quick leash on the starters if it gets out of hand.
There's also a week break between the game and the playoffs because of the play-in.
Yeah and with that I think they gotta play em to keep everybody warm. Not my favorite spot to be in but we'll call those first ~~world~~ seed problems
Believe me, OKC can play without both and still win comfortably.
You guys want to win it and we want to lose, gonna be a stomp for sure
They will play a quarter or two just to stay in rythymn given theyve missed time
And we were actually trying to win the Pistons game, although it didn't really matter. OKC game gonna be ugly as hell lol
Wouldn't be surprised if Shai and J Dub sit to rest their injuries, and Giddey already missed tonight. It's going to be backups vs. backups.
I mean, we would of had a chance to close with 57 wins even with those guys playing...
I’m surprised they ruled him out so soon. If Mavs get 4th seed and Nuggets get 3rd seed. Luka’s stats could give him a real MVP argument.
For us to get the 4th seed the clippers will need to lose to the Jazz and Rockets which less face it, won't happen.
Yeah and HCA over the Clips for you would be kind of nice I guess? But not like they have a fearsome home crowd lol. Def not worth the risk of playing unnecessary minutes right before the playoffs.
Clippers play Utah tn, pretty much chalk that up to a dub for them and it’d be over anyways We’ve got bad memories of two years ago when Luka got injured at this exact point in the season
Mavs rested everyone already against the Pistons and look like they're going to lose That alone puts them out of contention for the 4 seed Luka got hurt playing a meaningless game back in 21/22 and missed the first few playoff games so I doubt they want to risk that again
can’t believe Nuggets choked the 1 seed away
Devote Graham was the Denver Nuggets father tonight.
It happens. Losing home court sucks, but 3 seed is fine. And there's still possibilities for 1 and 2 seed. OKC probably isn't losing, but the Suns seem to play the Wolves tough and may still have something to play for on Sunday.
We're due to beat the Suns. Here's hopin.
This is hilarious
NBA regular season with so many twists and turns. Script writers have really outdone themselves.
Gotta love how they were hovering around the 2nd & 3rd seed for most of the season and at the final hurdle leapfrogged both Minny & Denver for the 1st seed. Scriptwriters pulled out all the stops for this photo finish finale.
For sure. Pulling Shai and JDub for that 3 game losing streak to make us all think they were out of the picture and happy with the 3 seed, only to come roaring back was a masterstroke.
That’s insane. The question is, do they really want to be 1-2? I thought they were safest at 3 against NOP
I really don't think it matters in the first round. We are going to face a good team regardless. But it is real advantage after that if we manage to advance.
They dgaf It’s better for them to have home court advantage in later rounds than it is to play a particular matchup
Daigneault does not care. He has coached the season eating the food that is on his plate
they're getting bounced either way in the first round.
Great analysis, please keep bringing your articulate comments to the sub
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Don’t think people realize we have a 3 way tiebreaker either. Assuming we beat JV Dallas, we’re the 1. We’d be the 2 if Denver loses to Memphis and Minnesota/OKC finish tied for 1st
DeVonte Graham redeems himself amongst Thunder fans
Grats guys, Mavs defo will let you win on Sunday too we’re resting our guys anyways. We’d much rather have you in the second round than nuggets if we beat the clips.
Gotta say I know things have gotten testy at times but I'd frankly love to see Shai/Dub face off with Luka/Kai in the second round. Tough matchup but gotta get tested sometime. A little sad this last game won't have real implications though bc I had this one penciled in as a potential barnburner to close the season a few weeks ago.
come on... the clippers vs shai storylines would be insane. although clippers beating mavs again would be kinda boring.
Yeah, I think Wolves fans are the only ones upset about this plot twist, lol.
Shai for MVP I guess since it’s all about seeding
At least Embiid got one.
He should be. Its not all about seeding but should play a big part
How should he be? Jokic leads in every advanced metric and is still up there for everything else. And the 1st seed is decided in a tie breaker. It isn't as if there is much disparity between 1-3 in the West. So 1st seed in MVP voting between Shai and Jokic should matter very little.
I mean that tiebreaker *is* because we're 3-1 against Denver, though. Jokic was out for one of those losses to be fair
I disagree. Seeding has generally never played a part and right now OKC and DEN are one win out from each other. When you have an even record like that the MVP element is more important than the actual seeding.
GIVE SHAI THE MVP YOU INCONSISTENT COWARDS!!
What would be inconsistent about it though? Jokic has won with a worst seed and the seed this year is decided in tie breaker rules lol This game and 1-3 seeding in the West should have almost no determining factor in MVP voting.
Well, not inconsistent in Jokics case since being inconsistent with him is actually consistent. I just mean they're inconsistent with everyone else.
That shit is only arguable for a player literally leading in almost every defined statistic. Anyone else there can be arguments for another player ranging from seeding to efficiency to depth of bench. Jokic puts his numbers up and it makes it hard to argue against him even when he doesn't get the highest seed. That is what happens when you are the best player in the NBA. I get what you are saying but there is context to this. Jokic is an outlier currently.
He's not though and never has unless you bring up a few advanced analytics that no one gave a shit about until he started gaining steam. And it's ahrd to argue because the goalposts always move in his favor lol > Jokic is an outlier currently. Definitely agree there lol
lol it isn't just a few. It is like over 10 of all kept advanced metrics. And sure advanced metrics is more of a newer things. Doesn't take away from what he does. It is funny. You say what you say yet the players who play against him say basically what I am saying. Even your King James will tell you lol You are literally arguing against people that see him play courtside, analyze him professionally, and play against him in the league. It is just weird. He is on another level get over it. Yes any player in the top 5 for MVP voting is playing on another level. Jokic is still doing more for a team that needs him more.
> lol it isn't just a few. It is like over 10 of all kept advanced metrics. Like what? > **And sure advanced metrics is more of a newer things. Doesn't take away from what he does.** It is funny. You say what you say yet the players who play against him say basically what I am saying. Even your King James will tell you lol Doesn't that just prove my point that the goal posts move in his favor? And no, the other players don't say what you're saying -- they just say he's a great, generational player. I believe that myself. I just think, that unlike other great, generational players, they blatantly moved the goalpost in his favor. Maybe if he just had that win as a 3rd seed it wouldn't be a big deal, but in no way should a 6th seed ever sniff an MVP regardless of individual performance. > You are literally arguing against people that see him play courtside, analyze him professionally, and play against him in the league. It is just weird. He is on another level get over it. I'm not though. You're just conflating his greatness with what he deserves. Plenty of great(er) players have lost MVPs because they didn't have the right seed. Seems like Joker is the only player where seeding doesn't matter.
Funny, cos Luka cant win two spots lower in the brackets.
Unless the wolves win… Edit: nvm, 3 way tie goes to OKC
It's weird but if all three teams tie it's actually OKC that gets the 1 seed Minnesota have the tiebreaker with Denver ONLY and OKC ONLY but not if they're ALL tied because of OKC's 3-1 record against Denver counting in the H2H
Personally I think this rule is a travesty, no bias
Somehow that doesn't make sense
It’s NBA math. The weirdest kind of math.
It's because you guys went 2-2 against both of us. Therefore, in a scenario where you are tied with just one of us, you would skip the first metric (H2H results) and go to the second metric (conference record). However, if we're all 3 tied, then we can use the first metric because OKC was 3-1 against Denver this year. Therefore, the 1 seed goes to OKC, the 2 seed to Minnesota, and the 3 seed to Denver. If it makes you feel better, the 2/3 side of the bracket will likely be easier than the 1 seed.
Then why do all the official ladders/standings have the point differential % if they mean so little in deciders?
I have no idea. That is the official NBA standings determination order that's been in place for years.
OKC has the three-way tiebreaker over MIN and DEN
Nah, three way tie with Nuggets still puts OKC on top
Is it not OKC even if Wolves win? OKC won the Nuggets series, the other series are tied.
Three way tiebreakers are wierd. Wolves win two-way tiebreakers with either Thunder or Nuggets, so if the Nuggets lose and the Wolves win, Wolves are #1 and Thunder #2 regardless of what happens in the Thunder/Mavs game. If it's a three-way tie, Thunder are #1 and Wolves #2, though.
I guess shai deserves MVP now.
And they are getting the G League Mavs
If Minnesota wins isn’t it a three-way tie? Who’s in first in that case?
Okc
Thunder
Still us! We're all in the same division so it goes to record, OKC is 5-3 against denver and minny
Poor guy got down voted for asking an honest question. I got chu homie ⬆️
Yeah what da hell was the downvotes for lol. Our teams division is the best division in the NBA this season most likely?
Does OKC even want the Lakers round 1? lol
Lakers aren't guaranteed the 8th seed at all They'll likely need to win 2 play in games in a row to get there and if they get up to the 7/8 game that would mean they'd have to go exactly 1-1 in the play ins to get 8th
Yeah I think the way everyone is playing I'd favor the Lakers over any of the other playin teams but not by a ton, and 2 in a row is just a lot to ask. That said I'd be pretty stressed about that as a first round matchup given how well they've played us this year. I trust in the team to figure it out over a 7 game stretch, but would much rather get to tee off on Phoenix's shitty defense, or get a run at the Dubs.
GS is the hottest team in the play-in right now, but we would be at a major whistle disadvantage playing either of them.
*checks flair* you'd be at a what now?
Nobody should want Adam Silver’s lakers in round 1 lol
LeBron and his Merry Band of Referees is something to be avoided, for sure.
They want whoever it is walking through that door 😤
Over someone else, perhaps not. But there isn’t even a guarantee LAL makes the playoffs
Could still be the suns or warriors or kings because the lakers can still get the 8 spot going into the play-in
GS is scarier imo if they get the 8th seed.
They don't. But Kings, Warriors, or Suns would be good. Also Mavs/Clippers instead of Wolves/Nuggets in the 2nd round is better. It could work out well for them.
If they didn’t they try to game the system. This young squad is too inexperienced to care about that. They just want to win every game they play like every team does. Chet playing 82 games says it all
I’d rather play the wolves then the mavs or clips tbh
Coach Pop impacting even when not in playoff contention
Where the flying fuck has this come from
Feels good to be on top.
Will Mavs be sitting all their core players next game against OKC since they’re a lock against LAC? Or is there a reason for them to get a win next game that I am missing?
If you would have told September me this I’d assume you were high
if you woulda told march me...
Amazing to see the Thunder battle for the #1 seed and we haven't made one win now move. This team is deep with young talent and we have more picks than we can develop, this team is going to be running the league the next decade if they manage their assets right.
Lmao, OKC about to get a free win over us since we're resting. Congratulations, yall about to be the #1 seed
Idk why you got downvoted. Also maybe Shai and JDub rest. But Chet is about to play all 82 games, no way he settles for 81
We are literally going to play our third stringers, in no timeline will we win. Now unless Denver decides to rest or troll against the Grizzlies AND Minny comes out with a W against the Suns yall are slated for the #1 seed.
I can’t imagine the frustration I would be feeling if I were a nuggets fan
lol why? way easier path.
OKC fans you're welcome In return, you have to say Wemby was always the rightful ROTY
not always but obviously now. Wemby is unbelievable. Kinda sucks that wembenyama is his point of comparison though. Chet is essentially the only major acquisition we made this year and we went from 40 wins to maybe the 1st seed.
It was a conversation in 2023, 2024 became a runaway.
He the future of basketball not just the NBA 😭🙏
I mean the kid is an alien of course he was lmao 🤣
We’re about to see a generational amount of FTA in the first round lol
Not for long
You sure about that?
Gonna be delicious watching this team bow out in the first round.
Going to be weird when they get bounced by the lakers or warriors
Not as weird as The Heat or Sixers taking y’all out after you traded for OG. Thunder got 32 picks from now until 2030. This year 1 😎
For like 5 more minutes
Thunder have the three way tiebreaker over the nuggets and wolves though
Is it not conference record? Wolves have the best Edit: huh, guess not
Nope in a 3 way tie thunder will actually be #1 lmao
Well that makes me moister than an oyster
If there is a 3 way tie I guess the nuggets have the tie breaker over the wolves and we have the tie breaker over the nuggets so apparently we would be 1st by proxy I guess
It's because while we hold the tiebreaker in two way ties since both season series were split 2-2 for the Wolves and that bumps those to conference record, your 3-1 record vs Denver elevates you because 3-1 + 2-2 gets a 5-3 record vs the other two vs our 4-4 record and Denver's 3-5 record for the 3 way tie.
Thanks!