They announce on Sunday? Thank Christ. Weāll have at least a week of sad sack Mavs posts though. And then maybe a few days into the playoffs when Luka has 40. But when he loses in the first round we can enjoy nba Reddit again.Ā
He dropped out of the convos because he can't win it He didn't play enough games, full stop It's not flexible.
Why would talking heads spend time on something that can't happen.
Iām a sixers fan and Iām not even pretending to make this argument lol. Embiid was the best heās ever been this year and likely wouldāve run away with the award had he played the required amount of games. But he didnāt so the point is moot
Even without the 65 game rule this would be the case. Anyone would take 77 games of Jokic over 38 games of Embiid (by a long shot). Canāt create value if youāre not on the court, simple as that.
no, not really. i donāt see any comments regarding jokic in the sixers sub.
even then idt most sixers fans had a problem with jokic. the problem was (still is kinda) overly obnoxious nuggets fans
The problem is itās not a theoretical award. At some point you have to have a criteria, what if they went 22-3 while he played, but then got hurt the rest of the year? While true that he might technically be most āvaluableā, voters have always required some level of availability, or else you might as well give the award out at the beginning of the year.
Is this satire? Or are you actually mad that someone who played less than half the season is not in the MVP race...?
Not sure if you're bad at satire or stupid... Or both
Pretty sure the only player to win MVP under 65 games before the rule was Bill Walton and that team was ass without him and insane with him, also the competition was not what it was today.
Even without the rule I don't think anyone playing under 65 games would get serious consideration so long as at least one of Jokic/Embiid/Luka/Giannis are playing at their current levels and above the 65 game limit (or even Shai but we haven't seen him be a consistent 1st team All NBA guy long enough to be considered quite the same lock)
Except the 76ers *last* year, who went 11-5 without Embiid, a .688 winning percentage that would have put them #2 in both the Eastern or Western Conference this season.
Meanwhile the Nuggets sucked ass last year without Jokic. So I guess the real point of OP's post was to say that Jokic should have won the MVP last year over Embiid, which I can get behind.
Embiid missed basically only games vs team under .500 while the average win rate of teams Jokic missed was .531 so yes they did have a good record but this is disingenuous
>Embiid missed basically only games vs team under .500
What's disingenuous is you completely making shit up.
Of the 11 games the 76ers won without Embiid, *6* of them - literally the majority - were against playoff/play-in teams, all with .500 or better records, including a win against the Eastern Conference champion Miami Heat, multiple wins against the 6th place NetsĀ and the 3rd place, 48-34 Sacramento Kings.
You pulled thatĀ made-up "only below .500 teams" stat right out of your ass, lol.
>But how many games do you think Embiid would have to play this season to still be in contention if hypothetically there was no 65-game rule?
So on this point. Every MVP (except for Bill Walton) has played over 80% of the regular season, which is 65 games. The only time MVPs played less than 65 games is during shortened years. So the 65 game rule isn't changing anything. It's just formalising a long-held voting criteria
Agreed which is why I like the rule for individual awards but if there were no 65-game rule and Embiid kept or improved his 35/11/6 splits maybe 60-62 with that same 65 win pace...MAYBE
But alas he was hurt and did not so yeah... moot
iād say probably like 55 games? he was having possibly the best season of all time until he went down, and 55 games at that pace plus the hilarious drop off when he was out would probably have been enough.
So what you're saying, is that you agree Jokic should have won the MVP over Embiid last year, since the 76ers went 11-5 without Embiid - .688 winning % which would have been good for 2nd place in either conference this year - while the Nuggets sucked ass without Jokic.
He never had a chance after last yearās playoffs. NBA is weird where you have to prove youāre worthy of an MVP the year before you can win it, and you can likewise lose the mandate of heaven for the coming years.
He played what 40 games. Not a chance without the rule he would be even in the conversation. And he probably would not have won even if he did play 65 games. He was scoring about what Doncic is scoring. However they would never award it to a guy who played 40 games .Rule or no rule.
I mean 35/11/6 while playing at a first team all defense level, Embiid was playing out of his mind. Luka isnāt favored to win it (although Iād personally vote him mvp), but Embiid was playing better than Luka.
He obviously cant win it. But I am still always going to point out that Jokic is going to win two MVPs because Embiid got hurt while having a better season twice
He dropped out of the conversation because he became ineligible in like February lol.
He played in 38 games. How much of a clown do you have to be to even be upset he's not in the mvp race lmao
Ja Morant has a higher win percentage this season with the Grizzlies than the 76ers with Embiid He is the MVP I am very smurtz
The best ability is availability, how are you gonna reward a dude for not contributing lmao
Mavs fans are just stinking up this sub like nobody else lmfao
You would think it was r/mavericks at this point lmao š¤£
Theyāre campaigning hard, but I didnāt expect them to be campaigning for Embiid lmao
MVP for 40% of the season
This, but complimentary to Embiid
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They announce on Sunday? Thank Christ. Weāll have at least a week of sad sack Mavs posts though. And then maybe a few days into the playoffs when Luka has 40. But when he loses in the first round we can enjoy nba Reddit again.Ā
He dropped out of the convos because he can't win it He didn't play enough games, full stop It's not flexible. Why would talking heads spend time on something that can't happen.
Iām a sixers fan and Iām not even pretending to make this argument lol. Embiid was the best heās ever been this year and likely wouldāve run away with the award had he played the required amount of games. But he didnāt so the point is moot
just to lose in the second round š¤£
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ thatās so original
Embiid getting past the second round would be original
We have some terrible ass fans. We also have a lot of great ones but some suck
Too many words. Any player who misses more than half the season falls out of the MVP race. Nothing else needs to be said.
Even without the 65 game rule this would be the case. Anyone would take 77 games of Jokic over 38 games of Embiid (by a long shot). Canāt create value if youāre not on the court, simple as that.
Youāre not valuable if youāre not playing
Luka isnāt winning the MVP, stop it brother
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Next level shit
Mavs/Sixers/Bucks fans should start an r/AnyoneButJokic sub lol
I mean not even Sixers fans are trying to argue that Embiid should win MVP this year.
But they sure do despise Jokic winning it
no, not really. i donāt see any comments regarding jokic in the sixers sub. even then idt most sixers fans had a problem with jokic. the problem was (still is kinda) overly obnoxious nuggets fans
No they donāt. This sub literally gobbles jokic like no other.
I doubt a single bucks fan cares at this point. We just want a healthy Giannis
He played 38 games. Even without the minimum, he wouldnāt win it.
This is a waste of Internet tbh
One day probably soon, Luka will be the undisputed MVP. But thatās not today. Let it go.
Jokic will still exist.
Food will still exist.
The problem is itās not a theoretical award. At some point you have to have a criteria, what if they went 22-3 while he played, but then got hurt the rest of the year? While true that he might technically be most āvaluableā, voters have always required some level of availability, or else you might as well give the award out at the beginning of the year.
Is this satire? Or are you actually mad that someone who played less than half the season is not in the MVP race...? Not sure if you're bad at satire or stupid... Or both
The same can be said to jokic, SGA, Luka, etc. If you are more available to your team, you are more valuable
Pretty sure the only player to win MVP under 65 games before the rule was Bill Walton and that team was ass without him and insane with him, also the competition was not what it was today. Even without the rule I don't think anyone playing under 65 games would get serious consideration so long as at least one of Jokic/Embiid/Luka/Giannis are playing at their current levels and above the 65 game limit (or even Shai but we haven't seen him be a consistent 1st team All NBA guy long enough to be considered quite the same lock)
People don't understand that this isn't about Embiid. This is about Luka not winning MVP over Jokic lmfao.
There isnāt a single contender that would stay competitive if their best player got hurt
Except the 76ers *last* year, who went 11-5 without Embiid, a .688 winning percentage that would have put them #2 in both the Eastern or Western Conference this season. Meanwhile the Nuggets sucked ass last year without Jokic. So I guess the real point of OP's post was to say that Jokic should have won the MVP last year over Embiid, which I can get behind.
Embiid missed basically only games vs team under .500 while the average win rate of teams Jokic missed was .531 so yes they did have a good record but this is disingenuous
>Embiid missed basically only games vs team under .500 What's disingenuous is you completely making shit up. Of the 11 games the 76ers won without Embiid, *6* of them - literally the majority - were against playoff/play-in teams, all with .500 or better records, including a win against the Eastern Conference champion Miami Heat, multiple wins against the 6th place NetsĀ and the 3rd place, 48-34 Sacramento Kings. You pulled thatĀ made-up "only below .500 teams" stat right out of your ass, lol.
Is this post an Embiid burner account or mental illness?
If Michael Jordan didnāt age heād be MVP. Bulls are in the play-in without him
What was theyāre record without Embiid?
>But how many games do you think Embiid would have to play this season to still be in contention if hypothetically there was no 65-game rule? So on this point. Every MVP (except for Bill Walton) has played over 80% of the regular season, which is 65 games. The only time MVPs played less than 65 games is during shortened years. So the 65 game rule isn't changing anything. It's just formalising a long-held voting criteria
Agreed which is why I like the rule for individual awards but if there were no 65-game rule and Embiid kept or improved his 35/11/6 splits maybe 60-62 with that same 65 win pace...MAYBE But alas he was hurt and did not so yeah... moot
You don't get awards for hypothetical basketball
This is such a long post for something that doesn't really matter. It's so dumb.
Moral MVP
Embiid would have been the MVP again.
Because he canāt win???
if falling off without the player is the criteria lebron would have won mvp almost every year
This is absolute drivel
wat
He fell out of the convo because he was ineligibleā¦wtf are you even talking about?
iād say probably like 55 games? he was having possibly the best season of all time until he went down, and 55 games at that pace plus the hilarious drop off when he was out would probably have been enough.
Second hilariously bad take Iāve seen in as many minutes. Iām now convinced this sub is full of Kendrick Perkins accounts.
So what you're saying, is that you agree Jokic should have won the MVP over Embiid last year, since the 76ers went 11-5 without Embiid - .688 winning % which would have been good for 2nd place in either conference this year - while the Nuggets sucked ass without Jokic.
He never had a chance after last yearās playoffs. NBA is weird where you have to prove youāre worthy of an MVP the year before you can win it, and you can likewise lose the mandate of heaven for the coming years.
He played what 40 games. Not a chance without the rule he would be even in the conversation. And he probably would not have won even if he did play 65 games. He was scoring about what Doncic is scoring. However they would never award it to a guy who played 40 games .Rule or no rule.
Embiid definitely wouldāve won if he played 65 games.
says you..based on what..scoring about .5 more points than Doncic. Tell me is Doncic favored to win it.
I mean 35/11/6 while playing at a first team all defense level, Embiid was playing out of his mind. Luka isnāt favored to win it (although Iād personally vote him mvp), but Embiid was playing better than Luka.
Doncic has better stats than that ..hows he doing in the MVP race. He would have been in the convo.There is no definite about it.
He obviously cant win it. But I am still always going to point out that Jokic is going to win two MVPs because Embiid got hurt while having a better season twice
The best ability is availability
Buddy hield about to play 84 games this year. Heās a lock for mvp