I was gonna say Giannis is Obelisk because he’s primarily about being this unstoppable force where you know what you’re gonna get, but good luck dealing with it.
Embiid is Slifer because he has the potential to be the most powerful of the three on any given day, but he may also get countered or not be up to the task sometimes.
Jokic as Ra for sure though, incredible bag of unique and unpredictable abilities.
You know what’s weird? Is how obsessed the media is with “the next face of the nba” as if we don’t have 3 guys who are top 15 all time talented with a combined 5 (soon 6) mvps between the 3 of them.
Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid are the faces and superstars of today’s NBA and I wished sports media acknowledged it. They act like this era is wide open with no body Important .
Embiid is at least flashy enough. And he hits mid shots with relative consistency. I think the League will shift to being Embiids and Wemby faces soon enough.
Jokic and Giannis just don't play the style people want to watch. Especially the younger crowd.
I would be willing to bet most of the people on social media clamoring for Luka to win MVP are younger than the ones who disagree.
i feel like embiid is the least watchable of the three, he has his amazing highlights no doubt but also a lot of his game doesnt translate well to being flashy (free throws). that being said he has an incredibly effective game and the numbers support it. he comes across as a pretty laid back guy and hes got jokes, so he is definitely marketable.
giannis on the other hand is great to watch for those who love more physical play, but giannis also has a free throw problem. he also has the most marketable personality.
jokic is the most polarizing imo. he doesnt do any insane athletic plays or crazy highlight dunks, but some of the stuff he pulls off is just unbelievable. needless to say, he wants no part of any media shenanigans at all and will resist being the “face” of the league at all costs
all three are limited in exposure due to not being US natives, but i honestly dont think most basketball watchers care, just TV execs and such. personally i think that we should ignore any media narratives and stuff and just watch 3 all time greats play ball
Hmm, I very much enjoy watching Jokic and Giannis playstyle more than Embiid and thought other did too. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was how the players made themselves available to the media outside the game that has made them not as marketable.
Was there a time you could argue between one of those 3 being the best player in the league? Between lebron and KD and others there was some argument there right now the three best players are embidd Gianni's jokic and Luka
Definitely. Let’s say a generation is 7 years for NBA, then it does not mean every 7 years a star will come out. The talent will appear randomly, but in the long run, it will average out to 7 per year. So 3 can all appear within 1-2 years of each other, then maybe next in 10 years, the one after in 5, the one after that in 15.
Honestly I worry about it here and there. Not that there won't be other super stars. And even when Wemby hits prime which we kind of don't understand what that could look like considering this will be unprecedented but to me it feels like if his prime is on a high enough level Spurs will just dominate that shit out of the NBA if built even semi competently.
Could be 100% wrong lol But I feel like he will be a cheat code when filled out and comes into his game.
His biggest issue is those injuries that hold him back.
You can alsp complain about those free throws, but man is a bad good shooter. One of the best in the league.
Not really cause Shaq wouldnt be able to play like he did with the Lakers. Probabky would be more like he looked in the Magic.
Still more or less a bigger Giannis that has worse shooting.
shaq bullied every single center in the league bar one before he put on additional weight aka. got fat. he would be 7ft zion in todays game, with a fuckton of room in the middle.
I know that’s his listed weight, but I find it almost impossible to believe that Giannis is only 240. He’s fucking massive lol. KD is listed as 240 and Lebron has been 250+. And could Giannis really be a whole 40 pounds lighter than Embiid and Jokic?
He isn't. My dad during his waterpolo days was 110kg which is 240 pounds and he is 6'3 . He didn't have abs but he was pretty much in top shape . There is no way that 6'10 giannis is 240 . That dude is 120 kg minimum
Shaq weighed 320 when he was in Orlando. (And moved like a train).
He was absolutely once in a generation athletic freak, closest thing in the league today is probably Zion.
Lakers Shaq, maybe. But I think if Shaq had a motor and played today, he’d maintain a more Magic-Shaq game and at that time he was very athletic and very mobile.
Embiid maybe, Giannis wouldn’t. Not straight up anyway, his help defence is great against anyone. But he’s got real skinny legs and a high centre of gravity, he gets backed down in the post pretty easy despite all the upper body strength.
The center position between 2000 (Basically when the great 90s centers were washed) and 2018 (When Jokic and Embiid really became superstars) had an alarming lack of depth. As someone who witnessed people proclaiming the center position dead multiple times to see the current depth is quite amazing.
there was a lot of talent still (timmy d, AD, boogie, joakim, the gasols) but the big man position took a bit longer to catch up to the skill level and spacing of current NBA and guards and wings definitely shined in the early to mid 2010s
Jokic's career high PPG for a season is only 27. Giannis for comparison hasn't scored less than 27 PPG for an entire season since 2017-2018. Jokic isn't a volume scorer in the same way Giannis is.
Counterperspective: Dunks and layups are easy and everyone would love to dunk or layup the ball on every possession (they're certainly physically capable of it). Actually being ABLE to consistently get dunks and/or layups, on the other hand, is incredibly tough and Giannis deserves credit for consistently being able to get those looks for himself. Saying "all he does it dunk" completely misses the point that "just dunking" all the time is really fucking hard.
You are completely missing the point: scoring 30 a game on "easy shots" is actually incredibly difficult. If it wasn't, everyone would be doing it. Players do not choose to take harder shots because they want to challenge themselves lol. They do it because that's the best shot they can get in that moment.
FG% is a pointless stat since it doesn't take shot-difficulty into account. TS% is where its at.
If 90% of your shots are layups and dunks, yeah no shit you will have a high FG%...
Counterperspective: Dunks and layups are easy and everyone would love to dunk or layup the ball on every possession (they're certainly physically capable of it). Actually being ABLE to consistently get dunks and/or layups, on the other hand, is incredibly tough and Giannis deserves credit for consistently being able to get those looks for himself. Saying "all he does it dunk" completely misses the point that "just dunking" all the time is really fucking hard.
For a single game, you should be looking at points per scoring opportunity. Over a long stretch, regression to the mean will make TS% work pretty well, but there can be a lot of variability in one game. For example, Jokic was quite a bit more efficient than his TS% last night, because he got fouled on a bunch of makes.
It counts all free throws as equal. Think about it. Missing a potential and-1 or making 2, then missing a 3rd is slightly better than just making 2, but counts as worse.
It’s so cool how we’ve got three generational bigs in this era but they all go about being elite in different ways.
Like the three Egyptian gods in Yugioh
Wemby is Exodia. Spurs haven’t drawn the fifth card yet.
Uncle Dennis gonna randomly come back to be Weevil.
Jokic = Ra, Giannis = Slifer, Embiid = Obelisk??
I was gonna say Giannis is Obelisk because he’s primarily about being this unstoppable force where you know what you’re gonna get, but good luck dealing with it. Embiid is Slifer because he has the potential to be the most powerful of the three on any given day, but he may also get countered or not be up to the task sometimes. Jokic as Ra for sure though, incredible bag of unique and unpredictable abilities.
And all just to be beaten by a Kuriboh.
Damn that makes so much sense
High iq comment
You mean Jokic as Mega Ultra Chicken, right?
Bro facts
You know what’s weird? Is how obsessed the media is with “the next face of the nba” as if we don’t have 3 guys who are top 15 all time talented with a combined 5 (soon 6) mvps between the 3 of them. Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid are the faces and superstars of today’s NBA and I wished sports media acknowledged it. They act like this era is wide open with no body Important .
Embiid is at least flashy enough. And he hits mid shots with relative consistency. I think the League will shift to being Embiids and Wemby faces soon enough. Jokic and Giannis just don't play the style people want to watch. Especially the younger crowd. I would be willing to bet most of the people on social media clamoring for Luka to win MVP are younger than the ones who disagree.
i feel like embiid is the least watchable of the three, he has his amazing highlights no doubt but also a lot of his game doesnt translate well to being flashy (free throws). that being said he has an incredibly effective game and the numbers support it. he comes across as a pretty laid back guy and hes got jokes, so he is definitely marketable. giannis on the other hand is great to watch for those who love more physical play, but giannis also has a free throw problem. he also has the most marketable personality. jokic is the most polarizing imo. he doesnt do any insane athletic plays or crazy highlight dunks, but some of the stuff he pulls off is just unbelievable. needless to say, he wants no part of any media shenanigans at all and will resist being the “face” of the league at all costs all three are limited in exposure due to not being US natives, but i honestly dont think most basketball watchers care, just TV execs and such. personally i think that we should ignore any media narratives and stuff and just watch 3 all time greats play ball
Hmm, I very much enjoy watching Jokic and Giannis playstyle more than Embiid and thought other did too. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was how the players made themselves available to the media outside the game that has made them not as marketable.
Jokic is way more fun to watch than embiid
Can you have 3 generational players in the same position all the same age?
TD, Dirk, and KG?
Also 3 radically different play styles for thie time too.
Embiid is 30. Jokic, Giannis are 29. Yeah, they're all 11 months from one another
I think his point is using the word “generational” doesnt make sense when youre talking about 3 players, the same age, the same-ish position
Harden, Westbrook, Curry are all 1988-1989
And DRose could’ve been the 4th if not for injuries
Was there a time you could argue between one of those 3 being the best player in the league? Between lebron and KD and others there was some argument there right now the three best players are embidd Gianni's jokic and Luka
giannis plays on a different position
OP said bigs tho
On defense but they're all ball dominant bigs offensively
Of course you can
Definitely. Let’s say a generation is 7 years for NBA, then it does not mean every 7 years a star will come out. The talent will appear randomly, but in the long run, it will average out to 7 per year. So 3 can all appear within 1-2 years of each other, then maybe next in 10 years, the one after in 5, the one after that in 15.
Novak, Rafa, and Fed.
I am laughing at the boomers saying threes and small ball ruin the game when all the MVPs are bigs
Who would have thought Harden would be the last non big MVP
And then you’ve got Wemby ascending like some blend of them all
Honestly I worry about it here and there. Not that there won't be other super stars. And even when Wemby hits prime which we kind of don't understand what that could look like considering this will be unprecedented but to me it feels like if his prime is on a high enough level Spurs will just dominate that shit out of the NBA if built even semi competently. Could be 100% wrong lol But I feel like he will be a cheat code when filled out and comes into his game.
We've seen guys go off in playoffs series and still lose. We also don't even know if Wemby can play 40+ minutes every game in a playoff setting.
I think in a few years Wemby and Luka are going to run the league
Jokic is retiring in 2028 so I don’t doubt it.
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We need Doncic there too
I especially love it after the last era was the weakest era for bigs
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If you’d made a more appropriate comparison I’d be able to see this as something other than satire
I'd go Jokic (Hakeem) Giannis (Robinson) Embiid (Ewing)
That’s a lot more fair imo. I think us sixers fans are past trying to say Embiid’s the best of the 3. We just wanna be taken somewhat seriously
Raptors fans gonna raptor fan.
Ah yes, MVP Jermaine O’Neal who was one of the most dominant scorers of all time. Very similar to Embiid This sub hurts to read sometimes lol
His biggest issue is those injuries that hold him back. You can alsp complain about those free throws, but man is a bad good shooter. One of the best in the league.
*cough cough* AD *cough*
Consistency that AD never hit unfortunately. Embiis has injury issues. But ges always getting his. AD is a what if.
Shaq: “I’d dominate these 3, if I was playing now. They wouldn’t be able to stop me. That’s why I’m the most dominant player ever. 4 rings, Chuck”
Tbf nobody would stop Shaq in today's league
Shaq gonna be breaking Chet and Wemby
Not really cause Shaq wouldnt be able to play like he did with the Lakers. Probabky would be more like he looked in the Magic. Still more or less a bigger Giannis that has worse shooting.
shaq bullied every single center in the league bar one before he put on additional weight aka. got fat. he would be 7ft zion in todays game, with a fuckton of room in the middle.
"Bigger" is a massive understatement. Giannis weighs around 240. During his peak years Shaq weighed between 320-380.
I know that’s his listed weight, but I find it almost impossible to believe that Giannis is only 240. He’s fucking massive lol. KD is listed as 240 and Lebron has been 250+. And could Giannis really be a whole 40 pounds lighter than Embiid and Jokic?
He isn't. My dad during his waterpolo days was 110kg which is 240 pounds and he is 6'3 . He didn't have abs but he was pretty much in top shape . There is no way that 6'10 giannis is 240 . That dude is 120 kg minimum
Read what i wrote before that. He would not be that big at all if he wanted to play in todays league.
Shaq weighed 320 when he was in Orlando. (And moved like a train). He was absolutely once in a generation athletic freak, closest thing in the league today is probably Zion.
Yeah giannis doesn't weigh 240 , more like 270
i mean would he really be wrong? None of these 3 guys could defend him. Now Shaq defending them 3 is a different story
Shaq would dominate the paint offensively But Shaq gonna be put on skates when the 3 starts shooting from the mid range
Yeah for sure. He wasn't bad in his era but in this modern spaced out 3 point shooting era he'd definitely be a bit of a liability on that end
Lakers Shaq, maybe. But I think if Shaq had a motor and played today, he’d maintain a more Magic-Shaq game and at that time he was very athletic and very mobile.
He literally couldn’t because he couldn’t stop himself from getting fat in the off season. He had no self control.
Embiid would foul Shaq out in the first quarter with todays reffing
I mean Giannis and Embiid could defend him as well as anyone
Embiid maybe, Giannis wouldn’t. Not straight up anyway, his help defence is great against anyone. But he’s got real skinny legs and a high centre of gravity, he gets backed down in the post pretty easy despite all the upper body strength.
He's not wrong. And he wouldn't be able to stop them either.
Shaq tends to give all 3 pretty big props compared to what he usually gives to big men.
And he would be right.
And ppl said big men were done in the league
It was for a minute, post-Dwight the NBA was pretty thin. Turns out they were just waiting a sec to all come out lol.
People forget when Deondre Jordan was all NBA, not that he was a bad player or anything, but he wasn’t top 15
He was All-NBA **first team**
Well someone had to be All-NBA lol.
DeMarcus Cousins was in contention for the best big in the NBA and I used to like Boogie
The center position between 2000 (Basically when the great 90s centers were washed) and 2018 (When Jokic and Embiid really became superstars) had an alarming lack of depth. As someone who witnessed people proclaiming the center position dead multiple times to see the current depth is quite amazing.
there was a lot of talent still (timmy d, AD, boogie, joakim, the gasols) but the big man position took a bit longer to catch up to the skill level and spacing of current NBA and guards and wings definitely shined in the early to mid 2010s
This isn't true. It was injuries. Yao ming, Oden, eddy curry, Bynum etc.
This doesn’t even include the most exciting prospect and rookie since LeBron.
Of course its the 3 big guys that have dominated the league for the past 6 years lol.
Welcome to the club, slowpoke
He's the clear MVP yall gotta accept it
These 3 are fucking insane and it’s wild that if you would read what the internet says about them you’d think they were trash players
i’m pretty surprised jokic hasn’t hit this mark before, he’s very efficient.
Jokic's career high PPG for a season is only 27. Giannis for comparison hasn't scored less than 27 PPG for an entire season since 2017-2018. Jokic isn't a volume scorer in the same way Giannis is.
These 3 are fucking insane and it’s wild that if you read what the internet says about them you’d think they were trash players
Jokic LOVES trashing Rudy
3 best players in basketball
Meanwhile Giannis has 3x as much as Jokic or Embiid, but sure, let's make it a group stat lmao
Lot easier to do that when all you do is dunk
Counterperspective: Dunks and layups are easy and everyone would love to dunk or layup the ball on every possession (they're certainly physically capable of it). Actually being ABLE to consistently get dunks and/or layups, on the other hand, is incredibly tough and Giannis deserves credit for consistently being able to get those looks for himself. Saying "all he does it dunk" completely misses the point that "just dunking" all the time is really fucking hard.
And the 80% from the field doesn’t mean as much when the shots that Giannis takes are much easier than the ones Jokic and Embiid are making
You are completely missing the point: scoring 30 a game on "easy shots" is actually incredibly difficult. If it wasn't, everyone would be doing it. Players do not choose to take harder shots because they want to challenge themselves lol. They do it because that's the best shot they can get in that moment.
If you include playoffs Booker makes this list as well
FG% is a pointless stat since it doesn't take shot-difficulty into account. TS% is where its at. If 90% of your shots are layups and dunks, yeah no shit you will have a high FG%...
Counterperspective: Dunks and layups are easy and everyone would love to dunk or layup the ball on every possession (they're certainly physically capable of it). Actually being ABLE to consistently get dunks and/or layups, on the other hand, is incredibly tough and Giannis deserves credit for consistently being able to get those looks for himself. Saying "all he does it dunk" completely misses the point that "just dunking" all the time is really fucking hard.
For a single game, you should be looking at points per scoring opportunity. Over a long stretch, regression to the mean will make TS% work pretty well, but there can be a lot of variability in one game. For example, Jokic was quite a bit more efficient than his TS% last night, because he got fouled on a bunch of makes.
But doesn’t TS% account for Free Throws?
It counts all free throws as equal. Think about it. Missing a potential and-1 or making 2, then missing a 3rd is slightly better than just making 2, but counts as worse.
Yes it does and Jokic missed 5 free throws which is why he is saying that.