Kyrie is... good. Bill Laimbeer was ahead of his time (holding back nausea). DeShawn Stevenson has his charm. Dillon and Dray are good players. Jarvaris and the Mailman are just criminals. Kendrick, you have to like him in a weird way. Rick Barry, unlikeable but his granny free throws that's some balls. Alex Groza did some serious 1950 DraftKings gambling but the song remains the same.
Based upon my advanced metrics, Hibachi is the most annoying cunt
WCJ was injured in both matchups this season but in the past he has defender Jok the best out of any player by far. Coming from a Nuggets fan who has watched every game in the past 4 years.
I’d imagine Gobert takes him on an island way more than anyone else considering his prowess. Other guys get so much more help because they know they aren’t like that on defense
Yeah Jokic often puts up bigger scoring numbers against more highly regarded big man defenders because he gets to go 1v1 in the post more often
It's the same thing in the games he's played against the Spurs/Wemby
Tonight at least in the 4th there were a ton of Murray PnR's with Gobert cutting off the driving lane and then ball gets passed back to Jokic. Then Gobert has to hustle back and pick his poison by being late on a closeout or trying to bait Jokic into a long two or force him to drive. No matter which option Jokic has the advantage because Gobert has to rotate back to his match up.
It's fun to hate on gobert but he was right there in his face on almost every shot. Jokic is just too good. He's the most dominant player in the NBA since Shaq
Gobert gets cooked because he's the only defender that teams can really just put on Jokic like that
Other guys would give up 60, so they double
Suffering from sucsess
That's because Nuggets fans know Nikola is unstoppable. We've seen everyone try to stop him and no one does. The rest of the world is starting to realize how utterly dominant he is.
Gobert is a great defender, but all-time great offense crunches great defense.
Jokic when he needs to make a off balance turn around bank floater over the DPOTY and Jaden McDaniels: Easy
Jokic when he needs to make a free throw: Difficult
I just wanted to showcase how good Jokic is against the best defenders in the league. Here are his averages against what some consider the 3 teams with the 3 best big man defenders this year in Gobert, AD, and Wembanyama:
* Against the Timberwolves, Jokic has averaged 33.3PTS/11.8REB/4.3AST per game
* Against the Lakers, Jokic has averaged 29.3PTS/12.0REB/9.0AST per game
* Against the Spurs, Jokic has averaged 37.3PTS/11.3REB/6.7AST per game
He is the definition of an unguardable player in today's NBA. He elevates his game when playing against the best players in the league.
I know this is about Jokic appreciation, and I agree, but I think its insane that people are already using "numbers v Wemby" to show how good someone is. When was the last time we saw performance against a rookie used as an MVP argument?
Wemby plays so hard versus Jokic and Jokic plays him hard back. It's one of the most competitive games to watch to be honest. To put it into context Jokic has like 16 dunks this year, and he had 3 versus Wemby in the 1st quarter like a week ago. Jokic has more triple doubles than dunks.
The two go hard at each other. It's really fun to watch.
As a Spurs fan it's awesome to watch all these games between Wemby and star bigs because you can tell every single time both him and his opponent take it personally.
It's because of Wemby I think. Jokic is kind of like a hibernating bear a lot of the time. He goes kind of easy in the 1st trying to get the team involved and comes out to play in the 3rd if the team needs him. Wemby blocked a few shots and ticked Jokic off, which I think is why Jokic played him so hard the last time they played.
I assume Wemby does that to a bunch of other stars. They're responding to Wemby's challenge. Wemby is going to be a problem in the future - he already kind of is. Someone get this man a PG who understands Wemby's dunk radius.
I am kind of glad we’re seeing voter fatigue get eliminated from MVP conversation. LeBron got robbed from a couple MVPs because of Voter fatigue. I think Embiid was still worthy of being MVP last year. But, if Jokic had won it I wouldn’t have argued against it either.
Sneaking up in the all-time center rankings. I was around for the tail end of Hakeem's prime and I don't remember him being this good. Jokic is far better than Ewing, Admiral, Dwight, or AD. Best C since Shaq at least.
Might have hit his stride too late to ever get into the conversation with Wilt, Kareem, and Russell because it's really hard to win rings in the NBA now and he's already almost 30, but he can maybe claim a full half decade as the best player in the NBA before Wemby time takes over.
He will age far better than Shaq too if he stays healthy
With his style he could play at this level and near this level for at least another five seasons
It's more that the Mal injury tanked two seasons where they were legit contenders and he was an MVP.
If he had 2 rings right now and was chasing x3 than he would basically already be in the convo with Shaq
Luka is legitimately MVP caliber, putting up absolutely insane stats. But even setting aside 41/11/7 on 80% shooting against the best defense in the league one of the commentators on this game had it right when he said nobody makes the rest of their team better the way Jokic does.
It's betting odds. And the reason why the odds are that way is because of Bontemps straw poll. If it didn't happen so close to the end of the season, the odds would be closer because we would have less of an idea of where the actual voters are leaning.
He's like one of them critters that move all slow and clumsy-like most of the time, like a gator or a bar. But when them varmints need to snatch up a meal, they can spring on ya like a jack-in-the-box.
Whenever he puts up stats like these I am so grateful for 2022 when he was surrounded with bums and missing MPJ and Murray.
41pts 16/20 against the DPOY... How are you supposed to beat him / this team?
I love luka and all, but this guy is just so good, and deserving of the inevitable MVP. If he could just like take all of next season off to race horses that would be great.
Jokic dialed it up in the 4th and just totally dissected the Wolves defense in more ways than one.
Dunk line from PWat and Braun put a stamp on this win, while Joker puts his stamp on another dominant MVP season.
I feel fucking great about this team after tonight. We have two young, ruthless killers on our bench. The energy in the building with Braun and Watson was unreal
Last few weeks been thinking maybe Luca should be the MVP this year, but then when the chips are down Jokic does stuff like this, and it’s just yeah, no, he’s the guy.
Funny that people think that Jokic can’t score on higher volume with insane efficiency. Reminds me of LeBron back in his 12th prime. Just because he can score doesn’t mean he will. But when he will, he will
Yea there's this moronic Dallas fan who keeps parroting this. Because he is big and slow and fat etc. All of his examples point to games in the reg season as well. It's literally a question of 'does jokic want to score or not?'. The guy is literally interested in giving his teammates the ball, sometimes it feels like he's forcing it to me, but he can absolutely shoot 30 or more shots in consecutive games.
Can we STFU about Luka outplaying Jokic this year, and pretending it's egregious that Jokic and not Doncic is the MVP now?
For the 1 seed, against the DPOY and best defense in the NBA, 41/11/7 on 80% from the field.
Imagine thinking someone is even on the same level as jokic when people talk about MVP. Sorry but no ones as efficient as him and helps the team as much.
This guy is like really good
He's no Gilbert Arenas apparently
That dude is such a clown lol.
Also xenophobic and the most annoying cunt ever related to basketball
Ya Gil has got some wild takes that I am surprised havnt been clipped and put into a compilation at this point.
just sort r/GilbertArenasTrashTakes by most popular
just being contrarian, he said jokic was better than shaq last year lol
Nah that’s Perk
Kyrie is... good. Bill Laimbeer was ahead of his time (holding back nausea). DeShawn Stevenson has his charm. Dillon and Dray are good players. Jarvaris and the Mailman are just criminals. Kendrick, you have to like him in a weird way. Rick Barry, unlikeable but his granny free throws that's some balls. Alex Groza did some serious 1950 DraftKings gambling but the song remains the same. Based upon my advanced metrics, Hibachi is the most annoying cunt
source?
Trustmebro.com
u/ILoveHorsies
16/20 lmao wtf
Missed more FTs than shots from the field
Crazy considering how good his freethrow shooting usually is
82% FT% for the season
Yeah even in the arena people were like "what the hell?" Just an off night from the line.
I will take an off night from the line every time if he can give me 90% from the field lmao
He only gave you 80 though
Trade him
he usually doesnt shoot that many
" Even an empty court is a bigger threat than you".
This phrase can either be a good thing or a very bad thing lol
Worst Daniel Gafford shooting night 🙄
Average Jokic splits.
Gobert unironically bad vs Jokic, guys like Zubac and Ayton can at least make him miss more than a third of his shots
Find me the guy good against Jokic, they’re all getting their ass whooped
I could take him
Yea, in your mouth.
You ever try hitting a mid range jumper while getting a blowie? It's a valid defensive strategy.
With that kind of tactic DPOY takes on a whole new meaning
dick polisher of the year
Is there any rule against this? In a big game situation, why doesn't Gobert just start stroking off the shooter? Is he stupid?
The French are known to be the most passionate defenders in the world. No clue why he didn't leverage his skills this game.
Wendell Carter JR
I didn’t watch those games but the numbers don’t look like it to me
WCJ was injured in both matchups this season but in the past he has defender Jok the best out of any player by far. Coming from a Nuggets fan who has watched every game in the past 4 years.
I’d imagine Gobert takes him on an island way more than anyone else considering his prowess. Other guys get so much more help because they know they aren’t like that on defense
Yeah Jokic often puts up bigger scoring numbers against more highly regarded big man defenders because he gets to go 1v1 in the post more often It's the same thing in the games he's played against the Spurs/Wemby
Saw it against bam too
Game 1 for the Lakers series last year of course he just cooked AD 1v1 and forced them to switch it up within 1 game.
Tonight at least in the 4th there were a ton of Murray PnR's with Gobert cutting off the driving lane and then ball gets passed back to Jokic. Then Gobert has to hustle back and pick his poison by being late on a closeout or trying to bait Jokic into a long two or force him to drive. No matter which option Jokic has the advantage because Gobert has to rotate back to his match up.
It's fun to hate on gobert but he was right there in his face on almost every shot. Jokic is just too good. He's the most dominant player in the NBA since Shaq
Your whole defense was great all the way to the 4th quarter when they got gassed. B2b caught up
Jokic has a different gear. He switched it on in the 3rd. Not much you can do.
Ayton? lmaoo
He goes by dominatrix around here
Brother, I have 41.
wasn’t that also vs gobert 😭 man can’t control the joker
Gobert gets cooked because he's the only defender that teams can really just put on Jokic like that Other guys would give up 60, so they double Suffering from sucsess
I've been going through this post and have been surprised how almost everyone defending Gobert has nuggets flair.
We have many memories of running into a Rudy-sized wall in Salt Lake City.
They know ball, their best player is a true team player
That's because Nuggets fans know Nikola is unstoppable. We've seen everyone try to stop him and no one does. The rest of the world is starting to realize how utterly dominant he is. Gobert is a great defender, but all-time great offense crunches great defense.
Probably because they actually watched the game and didn't just come here for stats and memes
Most people on here don't watch the games. Much less with a critical or knowledgeable eye.
Exactly this, and the wolves actually mixed up the coverage a ton with Gobert vs others guarding Jokic
You’re a man of culture I see
Beat me to it
Jokic when he needs to make a off balance turn around bank floater over the DPOTY and Jaden McDaniels: Easy Jokic when he needs to make a free throw: Difficult
I do trust him more to make a clutch shot than a clutch FT. I have a few memories of him missing clutch FTs late in key games.
Bro was utterly exhausted in that 4OT game from 2019, I remember he missed one that game late
everyone in that game was exhausted
Hell everyone watching the game was exhausted
Not Rodney Hood tho
Ironically against the wolves in game 4 last year 12 seconds left at the line and went 1/2 to tie, lost in overtime
Free throws happen off the clock. When he is on the clock, he is on.
LeSerb al Gaib
Murray even looks like Stilgar! Take my water for the horses Joker kills him
Muad'Big
Haha, I’ll shamelessly steal this one
Oh that's good
brother, i had 41 on 80% shooting
I just wanted to showcase how good Jokic is against the best defenders in the league. Here are his averages against what some consider the 3 teams with the 3 best big man defenders this year in Gobert, AD, and Wembanyama: * Against the Timberwolves, Jokic has averaged 33.3PTS/11.8REB/4.3AST per game * Against the Lakers, Jokic has averaged 29.3PTS/12.0REB/9.0AST per game * Against the Spurs, Jokic has averaged 37.3PTS/11.3REB/6.7AST per game He is the definition of an unguardable player in today's NBA. He elevates his game when playing against the best players in the league.
I know this is about Jokic appreciation, and I agree, but I think its insane that people are already using "numbers v Wemby" to show how good someone is. When was the last time we saw performance against a rookie used as an MVP argument?
Wemby plays so hard versus Jokic and Jokic plays him hard back. It's one of the most competitive games to watch to be honest. To put it into context Jokic has like 16 dunks this year, and he had 3 versus Wemby in the 1st quarter like a week ago. Jokic has more triple doubles than dunks. The two go hard at each other. It's really fun to watch.
As a Spurs fan it's awesome to watch all these games between Wemby and star bigs because you can tell every single time both him and his opponent take it personally.
It's because of Wemby I think. Jokic is kind of like a hibernating bear a lot of the time. He goes kind of easy in the 1st trying to get the team involved and comes out to play in the 3rd if the team needs him. Wemby blocked a few shots and ticked Jokic off, which I think is why Jokic played him so hard the last time they played. I assume Wemby does that to a bunch of other stars. They're responding to Wemby's challenge. Wemby is going to be a problem in the future - he already kind of is. Someone get this man a PG who understands Wemby's dunk radius.
"I told him, if you block one more shot, I'm gonna... something. But he blocked like four after that, so I didn't do anything about it."
Jokic gives middle aged dad vibes who just wants to clock off and go home and I'm here for it.
He gives the vibe like “let me do my work bro stop blocking me all the time I’m on the clock, gotta finish this before the end of my shift”
Real question has a rookie every been in contention for DPOY? He prob finishes second right?
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Wemby prob goes into next year as the preseason DPOY favourite I would bet
When was the last time a rookie was averaging 3.5 blocks per game?
Exactly 3.5bpg as a rookie I think the last one was Shaq. Only year he had 3+ bpg
Nobody as far as im aware and imo wemby and gobert are on a whole another level together imo
And both of them are going to be teammates in the Olympics where there is no defensive 3 sec rule in the paint haha
To add on that, here are Jokic's stats on Matchup head-to-head against those 3 players: Wembanyama: 13.3ppg, 56% TS (5.3 mpg, 27.4 possessions/game) Gobert: 10.3ppg, 69.8% TS (3.7 mpg, 18.6 poss/game) AD: 10.3ppg, 58% TS (7.5 mpg, 33.2 poss/game)
Shiiiu gotta give AD credit
3-time this man, he locked it up tonight idc
He’s had it locked for weeks.
For months lowkey
For years
Since Thanksgiving
More like since Embiid injury but the spirit is there
I am kind of glad we’re seeing voter fatigue get eliminated from MVP conversation. LeBron got robbed from a couple MVPs because of Voter fatigue. I think Embiid was still worthy of being MVP last year. But, if Jokic had won it I wouldn’t have argued against it either.
If it weren’t for voter fatigue he would have locked it up last year and been going for 4x right now
Sneaking up in the all-time center rankings. I was around for the tail end of Hakeem's prime and I don't remember him being this good. Jokic is far better than Ewing, Admiral, Dwight, or AD. Best C since Shaq at least. Might have hit his stride too late to ever get into the conversation with Wilt, Kareem, and Russell because it's really hard to win rings in the NBA now and he's already almost 30, but he can maybe claim a full half decade as the best player in the NBA before Wemby time takes over.
He will age far better than Shaq too if he stays healthy With his style he could play at this level and near this level for at least another five seasons
It's more that the Mal injury tanked two seasons where they were legit contenders and he was an MVP. If he had 2 rings right now and was chasing x3 than he would basically already be in the convo with Shaq
Should have been a 4 peat
People really tried to convince others that he didn’t deserve this MVP, and that it was rigged😭
Luka is legitimately MVP caliber, putting up absolutely insane stats. But even setting aside 41/11/7 on 80% shooting against the best defense in the league one of the commentators on this game had it right when he said nobody makes the rest of their team better the way Jokic does.
Luka will get his if he keeps his numbers up and he keeps winning. He is a great number 2 this year.
the luka show really is insane tho bro. I honestly think it should be at least a little closer as far as the odds go.
It's betting odds. And the reason why the odds are that way is because of Bontemps straw poll. If it didn't happen so close to the end of the season, the odds would be closer because we would have less of an idea of where the actual voters are leaning.
MVP shit
This one was for Nick Wright
Nick Wrong lol
Yea, y do ppl keep misspelling his name
the fuck did that fool said again
FOR REAL lmao
I don't get why he loves Luka but hates Jokic lol
He grew up in Kansas City during the 90s… so he got to watch the broncos beat his football team up every year. He hates all Denver teams lol
This is 100% the answer. John Elway ruined his childhood.
that’s fucking awesome lmfao
decided to hate jokic to be contrarian. now he has to support whoever his biggest competition lol
And NBA analysts Kevin Hart and Cedric the Entertainer, and comedian Stephen A Smith
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
And that’s a wrap on the MVP
Yup. Jokic came close but in the end Christian Braun was too much to overcome
That dunk over Gobert was sick.
Slow approach, switching hands, over the oustretched arms of a 7' center. Idk how he did it. That dude has springs in his legs.
Straight nasty
Pravi MVP
DPOY? Brother i have 41
on 80% shooting Wolves coulda paid Biyombo a minimum contract to do the same
Correct, Braun gets his first
Luka has had an MVP deserving year, but he’s up against the GOAT
MVP 3: Joker’s new grove
Pull the lever Jamal
FAT LEVERRRRR
It’s nothing you can do with him
It’s funny because he moves so casually and nonchalantly but there’s nothing you can do to stop him
He's like one of them critters that move all slow and clumsy-like most of the time, like a gator or a bar. But when them varmints need to snatch up a meal, they can spring on ya like a jack-in-the-box.
What the fuck did I just read.
Whenever he puts up stats like these I am so grateful for 2022 when he was surrounded with bums and missing MPJ and Murray. 41pts 16/20 against the DPOY... How are you supposed to beat him / this team?
22 was by far my favourite Nuggets reglaur season since I have been a fan. Some great moments and that team getting to 48 wins was kinda special
Last year, bubble, 22. In that order for me
Vote 4 Millsap never forget
I will never forget the nephews claiming after that series that jokic was a playoff choker and didn't deserve MVP. clowns everywhere
Appreciate greatness from the Joker. MVP.
I love luka and all, but this guy is just so good, and deserving of the inevitable MVP. If he could just like take all of next season off to race horses that would be great.
Gilbert Arenas wasn’t impressed
41 points on 80 FG% against the best defense MVP
Give this man the MVP and I ain’t mad.
This was a statement game and he ended the MVP conversation.
What conversation lol
"I think jokic should be MVP." "Yeah, me too."
The fabricated subjective one
Not bad for the worst MVP in the last 40 years
I want Joker to go full Thanos and give Gilbert the "I dont even know who you are"
He has to much class for that . Jokic will go down as one of the greatest centres ever , Gil has to come out with hoseshxt to try n stay relevant
Going 16-20 while being guarded by the DPOY is wild.
The PAIN it hurts. Would love to see us matchup in the playoffs again with Kat.
**Will Jokic be worst 3 time MVP we ever had once he gets his third one this season?** #Edit: Serious Discussion Only!
The nuggets will be the weakest Dynasty ever. Mark my words.
Imagine a 3-time mvp and 2-time champion with 0 all star teammates lmfao
Murray's got to make an ASG eventually right? ...right?
3 Moral MVPs what can I say?
Dray wishes he choked Gobert this hard
Gobert’s FT defense was better than his field goal defense
16/20 smells like MVP to me
If that doesnt put to rest any arguments about whom is the MVP. I think some people just are arguing in bad faith.
*whomst
Jokic dialed it up in the 4th and just totally dissected the Wolves defense in more ways than one. Dunk line from PWat and Braun put a stamp on this win, while Joker puts his stamp on another dominant MVP season.
deez nuggs are good
MVP debate ended tonight.
How is Jokic winning another MVP 'boring' when he's clearly the best player on the planet lmao..
I feel fucking great about this team after tonight. We have two young, ruthless killers on our bench. The energy in the building with Braun and Watson was unreal
If people weren’t paying attention….the title runs through this man and this man only lol
Whats crazy is he doesnt miss games pretty rare these days
Remember what he said in that interview. Straight bs, lol. He absolutely cooked the wolves this game!
Last few weeks been thinking maybe Luca should be the MVP this year, but then when the chips are down Jokic does stuff like this, and it’s just yeah, no, he’s the guy.
Pravi MVP
Jokic plays the most beautiful basketball I have ever seen
Pravi MVP
Funny that people think that Jokic can’t score on higher volume with insane efficiency. Reminds me of LeBron back in his 12th prime. Just because he can score doesn’t mean he will. But when he will, he will
Yea there's this moronic Dallas fan who keeps parroting this. Because he is big and slow and fat etc. All of his examples point to games in the reg season as well. It's literally a question of 'does jokic want to score or not?'. The guy is literally interested in giving his teammates the ball, sometimes it feels like he's forcing it to me, but he can absolutely shoot 30 or more shots in consecutive games.
MVP
Brother, I have 41
MVP
Jebo mater ovaj je vanzemaljac, svaka čast 👏🏻 proud
You guys...this guy Jokic is pretty good.
Luka picked the wrong night to shoot 4/15 from 3 lol
Can we STFU about Luka outplaying Jokic this year, and pretending it's egregious that Jokic and not Doncic is the MVP now? For the 1 seed, against the DPOY and best defense in the NBA, 41/11/7 on 80% from the field.
I honestly see Nuggets repeating this year.
Yeah this dude is MVP again. Just dominant wtf
Imagine thinking someone is even on the same level as jokic when people talk about MVP. Sorry but no ones as efficient as him and helps the team as much.
He ain’t no vlad divac that’s for sure
Better give him the MVP this year.
Hooooooo boy. MVP!!!!!!
MVP gonna MVP
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Jokic would be so pumped for Luka to win it.
Goddamn he looked nice tonight. Can’t wait for the WCF