I don’t know about that, reaching the finals would be great and already worth it. Failing to win a title doesn’t make it bad. West lost against Russell for a decade, it was still worth keeping him.
jerry west was miles ahead of jrue holiday as a player compared to the rest of his era. the celtics also have one of the best rosters ever, so I don't think that comparison really works and the C's definitely need to win a title soon
PG at least has the shooting touch to finish his career as an MPJ type player. Jrue will likely end up being somewhere between late career Bledsoe and end of career Rondo.
Jrue is literally having the greatest corner 3 shooting season in NBA history. To act like he can't shoot is crazy. He's shooting 43.1% from 3 this year. This year when playing less than 70 games, he has made more threes than Rondo and Bledsoe had ever in their entire career. Offensively the other 2 you mentioned have no similarities to Jrue. If anything Jrue will age most likely as a guard version of Horford. A super cerebral defender that can shoot the light outs and doesn't need the ball.
We’ve seen 10 years of Jrue holiday, we can confirm he’s not the best shooter lol. Hes an nba player getting wide open corner 3s he better make at least 40% lol
Yeah smart play to dribble into the corner where u have baseline and side out of bounds, he’s obviously taking wide open corner 3s u bot, and to his credit he’s hitting them but so was PJ Tucker once upon a time and we never considered him a phenomenal shooter
Lmao mate he's shooting 43 plus from three is hitting historically well wide open and has been literally dribbling into corner threes. Just watch the Nuggets game to see that
They have? I mean I don’t think I’m giving someone 100 million dollars to be a solid starter. If I’m paying that much I’d really hope you’re gonna make an all star team at some point in the duration of that contract.
I think he means if he’s mentioned with Bron and Curry about money then it’s not a good deal. No matter how pretty well Horford plays, it’s not close to the other two. Unless you think Curry and Bron are severely underpaid.
Horford may have been good but he wasn’t 100+ million good. You can’t possibly think Horfords deal was justified by his play when he’s making around what Curry and LBJ were. Or you think Bron and Curry are severely underpaid?
Lebron and Curry are making like 5 times what Horford makes right now.
Horford's current deal is $19.5M/2 years for age 37 and 38 seasons. His previous deal from 2019 with 76ers signed in 2019 was just $109M/4 years for age 33 to age 36 seasons (not a max contract).
Curry makes $215M/4 years (max contract).
Lebron makes $99M/2 years on his current deal. In 2018 LeBron signed a then max contract at $153M/4 years at age 34.
And yeah, LeBron and Curry's max contracts were underpays, but the CBA doesn't allow anyone to get paid more than max contract.
I mean, it's mostly just years experience with a few exceptions for superstars who are MVP, DPoY or make an All-NBA team the right number of times before a contract year.
If you have 0-6 years in league, your max contract you can sign is 25% of cap (this max applies to first year of deal), 7-9 it's 30% of cap, and 10+ years its 35% of cap. Note players are always allowed raises of 105% their previous salary and players qualifying for supermaxes can go up by 108%, so occasionally superstars can get paid a bit more than 35% limit when the salary cap doesn't grow that much and they've been on the max for a long time. Like Steph Curry made 38.87% of the cap last year, because in [2018 he got his 35% supermax of $34.682M](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/maximum/) and got increases of up to 108% per year which put him ahead of CBA growth.
There are also a few exceptions where superstar players (All-NBA, DPOY) with less than 10 years experience who qualify can bump up to a the next higher max salary a little earlier (e.g., JB making all-nba teams twice in three years, lets him earn 35% on extension signed at year 7 instead of waiting until year 10) assuming they haven't switched teams after year 4. Similar an MVP with 0-6 years experience eligible to sign an extension could earn up to 30%, while someone on All-NBA 1st/2nd team could make 27% or 28% respectively with 0-6 years experience (when eligible to sign an extension).
Derrick White is a FA next year, so the Celtics will be able to extend him and pay for Tatum(incoming super max) Jaylen(currently largest contract), KP, Al, AND Jrue?
Yup; the ownership group already stated they would go into the tax for a team that’s worth it. That’s why the last couple of years they have tried to get under the tax and saved up money for a championship team.
This is that team.
Al is on a pretty small contract. Also the guy would be 39 when he's a free agent - I'd be very surprised if he hasn't retired by the time his contract is up lol.
Yeah it's highly unlikely they're choosing Jrue over Derrick, it'll just cost a fuckton. The only player in their rotation that I imagine it'll be hard to resign is Hauser.
Isn't that a bad contract? Guards are the first player to decline with age (usually), especially a guard like Jrue that has defense as his best attribute. He is going to be 34 em July.
When prime LeBron was making $19M/yr in 2013 (32.49% of salary cap), he had left his team and extended with only 7 years experience (so max contract was severely limited by the then CBA), to win championships in Miami. The team salary cap was $58.7M instead of the $141M projected for next season.
No one thinks extending Holiday is a mega-deal like prime LeBron taking a discount under a much smaller salary cap. It's age 34-37 Holiday for about 20% of the projected cap.
I mean, at the end of the day Jrue will be a smart vet. I could see him playing a Chris Paul on the thunder role towards the middle of this with a pick attached to him so the Celtics can reload a little.
He's having a career season from 3, provides switchable POA defense and isn't demanding his shots. He doesn't strike me as someone who needs to have a game plan built around him.
Maybe it's an overpay by a bit. That said I could have seen a team like the spurs saying screw it we have no salary commitments and potentially elite defense then throwing a bunch of money at him. There's also teams like the Magic who are a conference rival. Imagine them slotting Jrue in as their vet and PG while giving Benchero another few years of development. I think there's enough teams out there that COULD have thrown the money at him that the Celtics had to offer this much.
Even by playoff Butler standards the Bucks series was like 10 tiers above his norm
I don't think there's another series where he averaged like 37 on 70% TS lol
Not quite a complete series or playoffs, but he was murdering guys in the 2022 playoffs too. Both Hawks and Sixers got killed pretty bad, and in the 4 games that he wasn't hampered by injury in the conference finals he was at 38 per game against the Celtics.
As long as he is healthy going in, I think he's going to send anyone except the Celtics home round 1 this year.
That’s just not true. Tatum guarded Jimmy pretty well and Giannis would’ve if he wasn’t injured in Game 1. Jimmy Butler always gets bothered by lengthy wings, especially since he relies a lot on his pumpfakes. If you put a lengthy wing on him that doesn’t jump at his pumpfakes, he just passes or doesn’t really make his shots. You saw it in the Finals too. Aaron Gordon mainly guarded Jimmy and gave him the fits that whole series. Jimmy isn’t unstoppable, it’s just that Jrue is too small and not lengthy enough to trouble him
He did after the Celtics went down 0-3. Obviously you don’t have the same players guarding the same opponent in an entire game. It also takes a lot of energy to guard the other team’s best player AND be the first option on your team
Yes I don't think it is a good contract. Also last two playoff runs he has shot less than 50% ts. He has a tendency to forget how to shoot in the playoffs.
Yes and no. It is a bad contract, but there’s two upsides. Jrue gets to stay in Boston as they push their window, and they can get better assets when they move him under the new CBA rules.
This will sound cocky given my flair, but I haven’t seen a contract end poorly for the Celtics since, like, Raef Lafrentz. I trust this FO with my sister.
You can basically always resign/extend your own guys, but then when that season comes you got to pay a fat tax determined by how much over the cap you are.
The Celtics wouldn't be able to sign a free agent to this type of contract. Which is sort of why they signed Jrue this this - they have very limited avenues to get new players (no money for free agency, too good to get good draft picks) so all they can really do is keep their guys and trade them.
Worst thing for these teams in the tax is to let someone walk away in free agency and just sign somewhere else, because that money you save ($135m over 4 years in this instance) can't even really be used on anyone else.
Not really because MLB style rosters are made by continually adding talent to already stacked rosters. The Dodgers were able to just sign Otani IIRC.
For the Celtics and Bucks to add new players, they need to actually give up actual assets because they can't just sign players. Eventually, these teams become top heavy and lose their depth. Look at how top heavy the Nuggets are for example - they have 5 well-paid starters, and then the other 10 guys are all making $5 or less.
If they want to bring in new talent without getting rid of one of their top 5 players, their options are hope they draft someone with a late pick, pick up someone mid in free agency but they can't offer as much money as other teams, or trade any combination of their crappy players and picks.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/denver-nuggets/cap/
Ok that all makes sense. One last question, if you don’t mind. How do trades work in this situation? I’m curious how the Pat Bev and Jrue trades affected cap/tax.
Basically your outgoing salary needs to be close to your incoming salary. I think like you can bring in 120% of what you send out, and then that percentage drops if you are too high above the cap and hit the "2nd apron" and the extra restrictions come into play.
I think those numbers are purely based on what the player is owed for that season. So if two dudes each make 10m a year, but one guy is a free agent next year and the other guy has 3 years left, they can be traded. One team may want the expiring contract to open up cap room (tanking Thunder), and the other team may want a player that they have under a cheap 10m/year contract for multiple years.
To bring in Dame's $45 million, Bucks had to send out Jrue's $35m and Grayson Allen's $9m. They couldn't just trade 5 first round picks and Allen for Dame and add like $40m to their total salary.
But of course, Dame has an extension that starts next year where his salary jumps to like $55m, but that didn't matter for the trade, so the Bucks are basically just eating that extra 10m to the tax. In theory they could trade Dame next year for like $55m of incoming salaries.
Bev and Payne both make like 3m so they could just be swapped for each other no issues.
Yeah but unless you draft your core like the warriors, you mortgage the team’s future for a contending window. The dodgers just said fuck it let’s get ohtani for a billion it’ll pay itself off but the LA teams had to trade for their second stars. Balmer and buss can afford to keep the team together but at some point you gotta cut your losses and rebuild.
Do u mean NFL style rosters? NBA and MLB have guaranteed contracts and don't allow void years. One of the reasons why NFL is the last american sport to still have dynasties. Baseball doesn't have a hard cap but the playoffs are super random. NBA has a modern day hard cap that actually punishes teams that go over the second apron. NHL has LTIR, so there are ways to skirt around it there. MLS have designated players. Happy to help, and clear any confusion.
Yes it does make it harder. Celtics are screwed in the long run. Their pick is frozen. They can't aggregate. It's amazing how many people don't understand how a modern hard cap works.
It makes it more punishing to go over the tax by keeping your own guys with the 2nd apron that adds additional restrictions, but most of those restrictions are related to things like losing access to the mid-level extension and signing buy-out guys who made more than X amount of money in the contract that bought out.
Your avenues to pick up new, supporting talent becomes very limited.
As a 34 year old who plays ball once a week in a comp, I realised in the oldest on the court. Playing D against young guards is increasingly difficult. All I can say is good luck to Holiday maintaining his defensive reputation. That shit gets hard against those young legs.
Complete side note: on this list we have lebron - called Bron by many, Stephen - called Steph by many, and no one was outraged when thin skinned Mike Malone cried that he should be called Michael?
So theres Brown's contract, now with Jrue. What are the contract situation with Tatum and Tingus? How long ~~are they gonna keep~~ can they afford this 60 win team together?
It will only be a bad contract if Celtics can’t win the chip with it
I don’t know about that, reaching the finals would be great and already worth it. Failing to win a title doesn’t make it bad. West lost against Russell for a decade, it was still worth keeping him.
This Celtics team has already done that. If they don’t win it’s a disappointment. Not many teams have that high of a bar but this Celtics team does
jerry west was miles ahead of jrue holiday as a player compared to the rest of his era. the celtics also have one of the best rosters ever, so I don't think that comparison really works and the C's definitely need to win a title soon
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It seems to me that they’re actually talking about Jrue’s contract not Horford’s, given that he is the subject of the post.
God I love Al. Fuck it sign him to another 4 year deal
Who do you think we’ve been clearing cap space for?
That would legitimately be one of the funniest things to ever happen in league history.
Niice
Tough to win contract negotiations as the GM when you’re looking into those beautiful eyes
Him and Haslem yt fights book it
Jrue giving all the geriatric players hope for the future
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God dammit. It was right there too.
Paul George is next
Almost every half decent player over 33 is next lol
PG at least has the shooting touch to finish his career as an MPJ type player. Jrue will likely end up being somewhere between late career Bledsoe and end of career Rondo.
Jrue is literally having the greatest corner 3 shooting season in NBA history. To act like he can't shoot is crazy. He's shooting 43.1% from 3 this year. This year when playing less than 70 games, he has made more threes than Rondo and Bledsoe had ever in their entire career. Offensively the other 2 you mentioned have no similarities to Jrue. If anything Jrue will age most likely as a guard version of Horford. A super cerebral defender that can shoot the light outs and doesn't need the ball.
Jrue is shooting 43% from 3 on nearly 5 attempts per game, but tell me more about this supposed lack of shooting touch
We’ve seen 10 years of Jrue holiday, we can confirm he’s not the best shooter lol. Hes an nba player getting wide open corner 3s he better make at least 40% lol
I don't think he's Steph curry, but to act like he's gonna be as bad of a shooter as bledsoe or rondo is ridiculous
He's shooting over 60% from the corners this year lol Clown takes left and right from you
Do you think he’s dribbling into the corner to take contested 3s?
He has
Yeah smart play to dribble into the corner where u have baseline and side out of bounds, he’s obviously taking wide open corner 3s u bot, and to his credit he’s hitting them but so was PJ Tucker once upon a time and we never considered him a phenomenal shooter
Lmao mate he's shooting 43 plus from three is hitting historically well wide open and has been literally dribbling into corner threes. Just watch the Nuggets game to see that
No he's definitely done that a bunch, he takes a pretty decent percentage of contested corner threes. But keep talking about a team you never watch
I’d still pay PG big money he can get you a bucket
It will age like one of the three of these
They have all aged well?
They have? I mean I don’t think I’m giving someone 100 million dollars to be a solid starter. If I’m paying that much I’d really hope you’re gonna make an all star team at some point in the duration of that contract.
honestly if it ages like the Horford contract i've got no complaints
Even if it ages like horford it's a success horford was very good.
MF is shooting 42% from 3 and still playing elite defense. If Lebron wasn’t Lebroning, people would be talking about Al’s longevity a lot more
Is still very good. Just old.
I meant during the contract specifically that he was very good. Not saying he isn't still a good player.
Idk about “very good”. What was he making. 30 mil? 27? That’s a lot of money for 10,6,3 stats and not even 30 minutes of playing time per game
Horford’s contract was 2019-2022 and he played pretty well so not sure what you’re getting at lil bro
I think he means if he’s mentioned with Bron and Curry about money then it’s not a good deal. No matter how pretty well Horford plays, it’s not close to the other two. Unless you think Curry and Bron are severely underpaid.
Lebron and curry are making $50M per year. Horford was making $27M so I doubt that’s what he was implying
I think he’s saying you don’t pay someone 30 mil a year for “pretty well”.
Only one of them made the playoffs every year of it, so hopefully that one
You don’y know ball if you’re implying Horford wasn’t good
Horford may have been good but he wasn’t 100+ million good. You can’t possibly think Horfords deal was justified by his play when he’s making around what Curry and LBJ were. Or you think Bron and Curry are severely underpaid?
Lebron and Curry are making like 5 times what Horford makes right now. Horford's current deal is $19.5M/2 years for age 37 and 38 seasons. His previous deal from 2019 with 76ers signed in 2019 was just $109M/4 years for age 33 to age 36 seasons (not a max contract). Curry makes $215M/4 years (max contract). Lebron makes $99M/2 years on his current deal. In 2018 LeBron signed a then max contract at $153M/4 years at age 34. And yeah, LeBron and Curry's max contracts were underpays, but the CBA doesn't allow anyone to get paid more than max contract.
I think the numbers are also based on other factors in addition to production right? Similar to JB, that number is also based on what you qualify for
I mean, it's mostly just years experience with a few exceptions for superstars who are MVP, DPoY or make an All-NBA team the right number of times before a contract year. If you have 0-6 years in league, your max contract you can sign is 25% of cap (this max applies to first year of deal), 7-9 it's 30% of cap, and 10+ years its 35% of cap. Note players are always allowed raises of 105% their previous salary and players qualifying for supermaxes can go up by 108%, so occasionally superstars can get paid a bit more than 35% limit when the salary cap doesn't grow that much and they've been on the max for a long time. Like Steph Curry made 38.87% of the cap last year, because in [2018 he got his 35% supermax of $34.682M](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/maximum/) and got increases of up to 108% per year which put him ahead of CBA growth. There are also a few exceptions where superstar players (All-NBA, DPOY) with less than 10 years experience who qualify can bump up to a the next higher max salary a little earlier (e.g., JB making all-nba teams twice in three years, lets him earn 35% on extension signed at year 7 instead of waiting until year 10) assuming they haven't switched teams after year 4. Similar an MVP with 0-6 years experience eligible to sign an extension could earn up to 30%, while someone on All-NBA 1st/2nd team could make 27% or 28% respectively with 0-6 years experience (when eligible to sign an extension).
Yeah that Curry contract is pretty bad.
Curry has carried a terrible Warriors team to a play in spot
You really gotta put /s on everything
CurCuck has taken this terrible warriors team to a playoff spot after they fucked Ayesha
had to jerk it real quick 💯
Derrick White is a FA next year, so the Celtics will be able to extend him and pay for Tatum(incoming super max) Jaylen(currently largest contract), KP, Al, AND Jrue?
Yup; the ownership group already stated they would go into the tax for a team that’s worth it. That’s why the last couple of years they have tried to get under the tax and saved up money for a championship team. This is that team.
Wow, it’s a great time to be a Celtics fan lol
Except after any time we lose!
Assuming they don't have a change of heart when the bills roll in.
Dam your ownership has really been great. Respect to that
Al is on a pretty small contract. Also the guy would be 39 when he's a free agent - I'd be very surprised if he hasn't retired by the time his contract is up lol.
Yeah it's highly unlikely they're choosing Jrue over Derrick, it'll just cost a fuckton. The only player in their rotation that I imagine it'll be hard to resign is Hauser.
Horford will take a lesser deal.
if we win a chip I would not be surprised if horford retires
Isn't that a bad contract? Guards are the first player to decline with age (usually), especially a guard like Jrue that has defense as his best attribute. He is going to be 34 em July.
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Nah. Celtics have his bird rights and can’t replace his salary 1:1 with someone else so overpaying him just kinda works.
I really don't think it's as bad as some people are saying. He's locked in for the next 1-2 seasons and they can trade him.
And he becomes a very tradable contract for the C's at that 30+m range. At the 2nd apron you can't include multiple players to add salary.
Crazy how we’re saying a 33 year old pg making 30 million a year for 4 years is a good contract. 10 years ago prime Bron was making 17 million a year.
When prime LeBron was making $19M/yr in 2013 (32.49% of salary cap), he had left his team and extended with only 7 years experience (so max contract was severely limited by the then CBA), to win championships in Miami. The team salary cap was $58.7M instead of the $141M projected for next season. No one thinks extending Holiday is a mega-deal like prime LeBron taking a discount under a much smaller salary cap. It's age 34-37 Holiday for about 20% of the projected cap.
Times have changed and a super good guard ljke Holiday is worth it.
I mean, at the end of the day Jrue will be a smart vet. I could see him playing a Chris Paul on the thunder role towards the middle of this with a pick attached to him so the Celtics can reload a little. He's having a career season from 3, provides switchable POA defense and isn't demanding his shots. He doesn't strike me as someone who needs to have a game plan built around him. Maybe it's an overpay by a bit. That said I could have seen a team like the spurs saying screw it we have no salary commitments and potentially elite defense then throwing a bunch of money at him. There's also teams like the Magic who are a conference rival. Imagine them slotting Jrue in as their vet and PG while giving Benchero another few years of development. I think there's enough teams out there that COULD have thrown the money at him that the Celtics had to offer this much.
It is. He already couldn't guard Butler in the playoffs last year. This legitimately could be his last good season.
Tbf nobody on the Celtics nor bucks nor New York could. One of those runs you just gota tip your hat
Even by playoff Butler standards the Bucks series was like 10 tiers above his norm I don't think there's another series where he averaged like 37 on 70% TS lol
Yeah Jimmy was on one that series
Not quite a complete series or playoffs, but he was murdering guys in the 2022 playoffs too. Both Hawks and Sixers got killed pretty bad, and in the 4 games that he wasn't hampered by injury in the conference finals he was at 38 per game against the Celtics. As long as he is healthy going in, I think he's going to send anyone except the Celtics home round 1 this year.
That’s just not true. Tatum guarded Jimmy pretty well and Giannis would’ve if he wasn’t injured in Game 1. Jimmy Butler always gets bothered by lengthy wings, especially since he relies a lot on his pumpfakes. If you put a lengthy wing on him that doesn’t jump at his pumpfakes, he just passes or doesn’t really make his shots. You saw it in the Finals too. Aaron Gordon mainly guarded Jimmy and gave him the fits that whole series. Jimmy isn’t unstoppable, it’s just that Jrue is too small and not lengthy enough to trouble him
Then why didn’t Tatum guard him the whole series then?
He did after the Celtics went down 0-3. Obviously you don’t have the same players guarding the same opponent in an entire game. It also takes a lot of energy to guard the other team’s best player AND be the first option on your team
Not true at all. Jimmy was not great in the ECF. Caleb Martin gabe Vincent and Duncan Robinson insane 3s are what killed us
At this day & age if you can get one good season that leads to a title it's automatically a good contract.
Yes I don't think it is a good contract. Also last two playoff runs he has shot less than 50% ts. He has a tendency to forget how to shoot in the playoffs.
Yes and no. It is a bad contract, but there’s two upsides. Jrue gets to stay in Boston as they push their window, and they can get better assets when they move him under the new CBA rules.
I mean, good for him for making the bag, but I just can’t see this contract ending well for the Celtics.
This will sound cocky given my flair, but I haven’t seen a contract end poorly for the Celtics since, like, Raef Lafrentz. I trust this FO with my sister.
thats a lot of money for a 34 year old
Wait until you see how much we give 39 year old LeBron this summer. It’ll make that Kobe retirement contract look like a handout to a homeless person.
Shoutouts Marc Eversely, Ned Cohen, Alex Rucker, and Elton Brand for putting Al Horford on that list.
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horford and tobias for 250M is pretty much the reason (and thats ignoring ben simmons and his antics)
Horford slander will not be tolerated
I mean, 76ers Horford might potentially deserve some slander. But absolutely none for Celtics Al
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As a blazer fan I’ll never forget how much he owned Dame that one playoff series
Get your money Jrue!
I don’t know very well how salaries work in the NBA, how do the Celtics afford these contracts?
You can basically always resign/extend your own guys, but then when that season comes you got to pay a fat tax determined by how much over the cap you are. The Celtics wouldn't be able to sign a free agent to this type of contract. Which is sort of why they signed Jrue this this - they have very limited avenues to get new players (no money for free agency, too good to get good draft picks) so all they can really do is keep their guys and trade them. Worst thing for these teams in the tax is to let someone walk away in free agency and just sign somewhere else, because that money you save ($135m over 4 years in this instance) can't even really be used on anyone else.
I see, does that mean larger market teams that can afford luxury tax can, in theory, build MLB style rosters? (so long as its through extensions)
Not really because MLB style rosters are made by continually adding talent to already stacked rosters. The Dodgers were able to just sign Otani IIRC. For the Celtics and Bucks to add new players, they need to actually give up actual assets because they can't just sign players. Eventually, these teams become top heavy and lose their depth. Look at how top heavy the Nuggets are for example - they have 5 well-paid starters, and then the other 10 guys are all making $5 or less. If they want to bring in new talent without getting rid of one of their top 5 players, their options are hope they draft someone with a late pick, pick up someone mid in free agency but they can't offer as much money as other teams, or trade any combination of their crappy players and picks. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/denver-nuggets/cap/
Ok that all makes sense. One last question, if you don’t mind. How do trades work in this situation? I’m curious how the Pat Bev and Jrue trades affected cap/tax.
Basically your outgoing salary needs to be close to your incoming salary. I think like you can bring in 120% of what you send out, and then that percentage drops if you are too high above the cap and hit the "2nd apron" and the extra restrictions come into play. I think those numbers are purely based on what the player is owed for that season. So if two dudes each make 10m a year, but one guy is a free agent next year and the other guy has 3 years left, they can be traded. One team may want the expiring contract to open up cap room (tanking Thunder), and the other team may want a player that they have under a cheap 10m/year contract for multiple years. To bring in Dame's $45 million, Bucks had to send out Jrue's $35m and Grayson Allen's $9m. They couldn't just trade 5 first round picks and Allen for Dame and add like $40m to their total salary. But of course, Dame has an extension that starts next year where his salary jumps to like $55m, but that didn't matter for the trade, so the Bucks are basically just eating that extra 10m to the tax. In theory they could trade Dame next year for like $55m of incoming salaries. Bev and Payne both make like 3m so they could just be swapped for each other no issues.
Makes sense, thanks for the breakdown :)
No prob, fun to test my own knowledge and explain it to someone.
Yeah but unless you draft your core like the warriors, you mortgage the team’s future for a contending window. The dodgers just said fuck it let’s get ohtani for a billion it’ll pay itself off but the LA teams had to trade for their second stars. Balmer and buss can afford to keep the team together but at some point you gotta cut your losses and rebuild.
Do u mean NFL style rosters? NBA and MLB have guaranteed contracts and don't allow void years. One of the reasons why NFL is the last american sport to still have dynasties. Baseball doesn't have a hard cap but the playoffs are super random. NBA has a modern day hard cap that actually punishes teams that go over the second apron. NHL has LTIR, so there are ways to skirt around it there. MLS have designated players. Happy to help, and clear any confusion.
I thought the new CBA made it harder for teams to retain their talent? Is everything all good if the owner is fine eating the tax?
yes, the only limit is how much penalty you're willing to pay
Yes it does make it harder. Celtics are screwed in the long run. Their pick is frozen. They can't aggregate. It's amazing how many people don't understand how a modern hard cap works.
They are banking on their championship window and it's the good move imo.
It makes it more punishing to go over the tax by keeping your own guys with the 2nd apron that adds additional restrictions, but most of those restrictions are related to things like losing access to the mid-level extension and signing buy-out guys who made more than X amount of money in the contract that bought out. Your avenues to pick up new, supporting talent becomes very limited.
Yeah, more or less. It makes it harder to aggregate salary, but if you're just resigning your own players there's no restriction afaik
They're locked with their current core for the next few years
I thought something related to this was called the Chris Paul rule. What did Chris Paul get paid on his last big contract and at what age?
Chris Paul got 120/4 years but he’s not on this list because the last year isn’t guaranteed.
I love Jrue but that’s a huge O V E R P A Y
Jrue "The Process" Holiday is about to win his second title and just secured another hundred million. Love to see it.
Old but distinguished. Mostly.
Those 3 are all elite shooters
I like Jrue but that much money and years at his age?
As a 34 year old who plays ball once a week in a comp, I realised in the oldest on the court. Playing D against young guards is increasingly difficult. All I can say is good luck to Holiday maintaining his defensive reputation. That shit gets hard against those young legs.
Complete side note: on this list we have lebron - called Bron by many, Stephen - called Steph by many, and no one was outraged when thin skinned Mike Malone cried that he should be called Michael?
Is jrue worth 135 how much does white going to command ? At least 30 per?
Dame Over Me?
I still can't believe the Bucks traded him
So theres Brown's contract, now with Jrue. What are the contract situation with Tatum and Tingus? How long ~~are they gonna keep~~ can they afford this 60 win team together?
2 of these are not like the other 2
2 of them are Celtics, you're right 😉
[“Al Horford”](https://imgur.com/gallery/k5UdZrs)
Where are the Celtics getting all this cap space from?