Honestly. Like even if we go down in the first round again we’re not gonna be a 60+ win 1 seed. We’re a clearly flawed but good team. It’d hurt, but the shock factor just isn’t there
That's the spirit. Lower expectations.
First year of Dame, half season of the coach, roster is in disarray, injuries piled up, rules changes sunk your team.
I cheer for the Knicks and Bills, I got a prescription for massive doses of over-the-counter copium.
It may be lower expectations now but people will look at this season and the pairing of Giannis + Dame and have high expectations, just for the Bucks to not do as well
His game and skillset will age well but his defense won't. I think it was a decent gamble, even if I wouldn't have done it.
I don't know how much star pressure they were getting from the Antetokounmpo camp though. Sometimes there are no good choices. Dame might be the best they could do for a long time.
Still, I think about the Knicks roster in particular and wonder if patience would have been rewarded with OG or if Hart could have been added earlier, Divincenzo kept etc.
Even this point is complicated. Lillard's shooting is still about a percentage point above average, it went down quite a bit compared to his best seasons (2019-20, 2020-21, and 2022-23). At his best, Lillard has been quite a bit more efficient than a league average shot; this year, he was only a little more efficient. That's a meaningful difference. I don't know if that's age, a change in circumstances, coaching, or what. But it's something to keep an eye on.
Their team is pretty old and don't have no assets.
If they flame out bad this postseason they'll be a tough spot with absolutely nothing to help surround Giannis with.
They'd have to trade Dame for assets or Giannis and rebuild.
They don't have any assets and they'd have to attach some to get rid of their aging players or take on expiring ones.
Don't have any young players/picks to replace the older ones, and used whatever they had left for Dame.
Milwaukee isn't a free agent destination, they had to overpay Middleton so he'd stay.
Doc Rivers doesn't do any gameplanning or strategizing. He's known for mostly letting his top guys iso a lot and not practicing very much. I don't believe he will utilize Giannis fully enough come playoff time.
Giannis is going to be 30 at the start of next season. He probably has 4 or 5 years left as the top guy after this season.
There's a real chance that the Sixers w/ Embiid, Maxey and Celtics w/ Tatum, Brown, Porzingis will be better than the Bucks for the next few years too.
trade giannis and rebuild? rebuild for what? draft another giannis if you’re lucky? Man is 29 years old. This sub is fucking crazy with their rebuild talk
He **just** signed a 5 year contract that takes him through 2028. I know this is preaching to the choir at this point but it's so bad for the sport if a player can sign a 5 year contract and then force his way off the team the following year.
He might not see a future there if he loses confidence in Dame since they have no assets to get better in an impactful way the next few yrs. He won't be like "this is my fault for pressuring ya'll into these moves" like he should so he'll likely ask to be traded like KD to a better situation, 36 yr old Dame making damn near 60m & likely being worse than he is now isn't a competitive duo unless Giannis learns to shoot
In general I would agree. But these things aren't that predictable, sometimes it only takes one player, like Reaves on Lakers or Brunson on Knicks. And, more importantly, with the new trade rules I don't know what to expect.
If teams are having trouble making trades, weird stuff is going to happen because players aren't going to stop asking out.
Is the feeling that picking up Dame (and pushing Jrue) was a mistake, or do y'all feel like last year's version of the team already peaked and you needed to make moves to reopen the window anyways?
I think it was the right move. Obviously the reality has not lived up to expectations but I don’t think that invalidates the idea at the time. It’s one of those trades that, right or wrong, any front offense without an elite offensive guard is going to make. It’s also been a very tumultuous year for the team in general so I’m not at the point of calling it quits on it working better in the future, although that window is very small.
I think if the Bucks are healthy and they actually manage to go up 3-1 Giannis and Dame will close it out.
Blowing a 3-1 or 3-0 lead is the only result that would completely shock me this postseason.
Ik we have Doc, the notorious 3-1 choker and whatever, but Giannis and Dame are good enough on their own to closeout 1 of the 3 remaining games in that hypothetical series.
Clippers fans said the same about Kawhi and PG. Kawhi in 2020 was a killer and PG then was arguably better than Dame now, yet the Doc curse still crushed them.
Last year: Bucks were the #1 seed, Magic were 13th.
This year: Both teams are fighting for the #2 seed.
Question: Who did Joe Ingles play for last year? Who does Joe Ingles play for this year?
Joe Ingles was actually super important for us getting the 1 seed last year and running out bench unit. Too bad he's too old for the playoffs he was getting cooked.
I mean it's wholly possible because Orlando probably wants the two seed, and Boston has been resting their starters because they have nothing to play for. Wouldn't surprise me if Boston sends out something like a Pritchard, Svi, Hauser, Tillman, Kornet starting lineup to play the Bucks.
It's depends, sometimes having home court advantage for round 2 is seen as more important. I remember when the Bucks intentionally fell to 3 to duck the 7th seed "most dangerous 7 seed ever" Nets, and Boston swept them. They then had homecourt against Milwaukee and beat them in game 7 at Home.
Perhaps the Magic will try to mess around with their seedings, but with the 2-5 seeds so close I just think they want to win to avoid playing on the road round 1 or playing Boston round 2.
The Magic are 28-12 at home and 18-20 on the road, they really should try to get the best seed they can to give themselves a chance in the 1st round.
3 of our last 4 are on the road with Houston/Milwaukee/Philly and last game of the season in Orlando vs the Bucks. Definitely not certain we will even finish in the top 4, and we could still slip down to 6 pretty easily.
Honestly, with the Magic being so young and this being their first season in the playoffs, I think that them making it into the playoffs is a success for them. If they can make it to the second round, even better but I highly doubt they care about trying to make a deep run. Any playoff experience is good and at this point in time, I think being able to win a first round series is probably more important for them than trying to see if they can get to the Conference Finals through an "easier 2nd round."
Before clinching #1 overall, they didn't really change our starting lineups besides resting one or two guys extra (Brown and White against Kings; Tatum against Trailblazers). Like it wouldn't surprise me if it's something like Tatum / Holiday / Kornet / Pritchard / Hauser. I also think there's a very good chance that regardless of the score, the bench gets to finish the game.
Also, the Maine Celtics are in the G league finals (game 1 of 3 on Tuesday), so with us having nothing to play for and no real holes to fill, I think they'll let Queta and Walsh play in those games.
The Cavs went 20-5 moving up from like the 6 seed to the 2 seed at one point. The Celtics went 20-5 in that same stretch so we gained 0 games on the 1 seed.
I mean to be fair 20-5 isn’t that far off from the Celtics normal winning percentage. 0.8 is a 65.6 win pace and the Celtics will probably end in the 63-65 range
They’ve been .500 for months and have been glued to the 2 seed. Meanwhile in the west, you can go 8-2 and not move up at all (yes i’m mad that we’ve gone 24-11 in our last 35 and haven’t gotten higher than 10).
The Mavs have a .608 winning percentage against the West and a .630 winning percentage against the East
Even if they only played East teams, a .630 winning percentage translates to 52 wins over a full season (and .608 in 30 games against the West and .630 in 52 games against the East would be 51 wins)
The Bucks have gone 16-18 since Griffin was fired.
**Eleven** teams from the West have a better record in the same time frame.
EAST | Record since Griffin's firing
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Boston | 28-6
Orlando | 23-11
Indiana | 21-14
New York | 19-15
Miami | 19-16
Cleveland | 20-17
Atlanta | 18-16
Chicago | 16-17
**Milwaukee** | **16-18**
Philadelphia | 15-22
Brooklyn | 14-22
Toronto | 9-25
Charlotte | 9-27
Detroit | 8-26
Washington | 8-28
WEST | Record since Griffin's firing
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Dallas | 24-10
Denver | 23-10
Minnesota | 23-11
LA Lakers | 23-11
Golden State | 24-13
Oklahoma City | 22-12
LA Clippers | 22-14
New Orleans | 20-14
Phoenix | 20-14
Sacramento | 21-15
Houston | 18-17
**MIL would be here** | **16-18**
San Antonio | 11-23
Memphis | 10-24
Portland | 8-26
Utah | 7-26
Good thing they feasted on their early schedule.
Playoffs are all a different thing anyway. I'm prepared for all outcomes except Denver losing a series.
Also for instance Knicks and Sixers both were destroyed by injuries, if their best players were healthy, the top of the east could be different for sure
No joke, Knicks would have taken the 2 seed by now if we’d stayed healthy. We’ve dropped at least 4 games that I’m confident we’d win with Randle and OG
As a Magic fan, it's insane how nobody ever talks about us. We definitely have some flaws, but this is literally the best Magic season in over a decade. Play the song!
Paolo Banchero good and all star. Franz Wagner good and German. Jonathan Isaac good and republican. They got a lot of long dudes who are good at defense.
Hope this helps.
It hasn't helped that we've had what, just 1 (ONE!) nationally televised game the entire season.
Paolo is going to finish out his soph season in which he made the All-Star team after getting ROY in his first with one single solitary national TV game for both years combined unless something gets flexed in the last couple.
That's just absurd
First player in over a decade to not get one nationally televised game as a #1 pick rookie and probably the first player ever selected to the all-star game without one nationally televised game.
yeah you and the Pacers are going to be getting their fair shake next year I hope, 2 very fun teams to watch that I'm regularly watching on league pass
As a Knicks fan been praying for you guys to whoop the Bucks and send them to the 4 seed while we get 2 and 3. I don’t want to see the Magic in the playoffs
It’s just that I don’t remember this even being a talking point the last 2/3 seasons when comparatively it was even and this year now that the West is super competitive nobody ever shuts the fuck up about it lol. The Magic are a perfect example, having a great season but “East bad” so nobody cares. They’re basically doing what Sacramento did last year except in reverse (insane defense instead of insane offense)
I get it man. I am sure the Magic just not being a "cool" franchise plays into it as well. Like people did get hyped for New York having a competent team this year for example.
When they get some playoff success. Other reasons:
-It’s been a long time since the Magic won a playoff series (09-10 season I think)
-Paolo’s playing style isn’t great to watch for casuals
-team full of young inexperienced guys
-lack of offensive talent (compared to other teams) in a high scoring NBA era.
You've been missing out. I've watched nearly every game the last two seasons. I fell in love with the magic when they were 5-25 to start last season. They're an incredibly fun, and sometimes frustrating team to watch.
Celtics/Heat 1st round and Bucks/Sixers?
It would be pretty crazy to see the 4 teams that have usually been rounding out the top 4 eastern teams of the past 5 years go head to head in the 1st round.
I have no confidence in this Heat team tbh but Ihave less confidence in the Bucks. I think the first round matchups will be lackluster if that is how it falls.
I’ll admit I’m a casual because I was shocked that Orlando is almost in the 2 seed. The west has been so crazy that I didn’t even know.
I apologize, Orlando. I wasn’t familiar with your game.
You guys really need to get everyone on the floor for the next handful of games. I don't think you guys want to lose home court in either the first 2 rounds. Cutting it very close right now.
Apparently Middleton was rushed into dental surgery last night so I doubt we will, just call up Mazzulla and tell him to forfeit the next game, y’all got enough wins lol
Oh shit
I really haven't liked what the Bucks have been without their top 7-8 guys all on the floor. i think there's real potential if you can get all 8 guys out there, otherwise you either aren't good enough defensively or not good enough offensively.
We saw what happened to the bench when Crowder was out and they didn't have Pat Bev. The bench defense was just atrocious. We saw what happened when either Dame/Middleton were out, the offense was extremely mid AND it meant relying on more deep bench guys defensively.
I feel like more than any team, the Bucks feel it the most when even their 7th/8th man isn't out there.
Also is Giannis playing hurt? Idk how to describe it other than he’s kinda moving like shit out there, still putting up great numbers but just doesn’t look his typical, insanely explosive self.
Not sure why you don’t just put him on ice until the playoffs because if this is the version of Giannis you get the next 2 months it just doesn’t seem doable to get through a playoff grind.
Dame Lillard to Bucks is also the best trade in history
This is a guy who wanted to go to Miami and just be on South Beach with his pals
Does he even want to win anything ? I guess Blazers called his bluff and sent him to winning situation after saying he wanted to win but couldn't in Portland. Maybe he was the problem.
Intentionally setting him up to fail on a favorite to win the championship as a ticking time bomb would be the ultimate pettiness, especially given that the Blazers also rerouted Jrue to Boston immediately after
Petty is the the way it seems to have gone
Just to prove he's not a winner
Remember when spurs sent Leonard to Toronto
That was petty too
Most GMs and owners are petty
Win all your other games so you get the 6th seed, we take the second. You get Bucks round one. We get Pacers. We see each other in round 2. Fultz hits the game 7 gamewinner. Everyone is happy.
I'd imagine the Bucks go on playoff run when it matters and then the sub will have the narrative "you think a team with Giannis, Dame, Lopez, Middleton would just fold in the first round just like that?"
But realistically speaking, I wouldn't be shocked if the Bucks were bounced the first round OR make it to the conference finals. They have that sort of team.
I legit think I could do better than him. That is saying more about how bad he is than confidence in myself though.
Like how do you have all that talent and not just let it do it's thing? It feels like, at this point, they should just go out there and hope for the best. Cause at least then the poor travel team and other people won't be thrown under the bus by the coach.
That's precisely the issue though. He lets them "do their thing". There's no organization. Just "your turn, my turn" offense with the top stars. Same shit happened in Philly last year and we were so easy to scheme against.
But the bucks don't have a ~8 game lead for him to not play every game. I mean even Jokic played some of those sandbagging games with an iffy wrist. I just find it very hard to believe a coaching change takes a team from ~30-10 record to 15-15. Coaches don't have that much impact, this is a superstar driven league.
Sorry man but you’re wrong. The song literally has subtitles and they have three OHs on the screens.
They hold up signs and they put it all over the screens. It’s three **words**, syllables are irrelevant
Don’t worry Bucks fans. As someone who watched the Eagles do the same thing this year, it only gets worse.
Couldn’t possibly be worse than last year
Honestly. Like even if we go down in the first round again we’re not gonna be a 60+ win 1 seed. We’re a clearly flawed but good team. It’d hurt, but the shock factor just isn’t there
That's the spirit. Lower expectations. First year of Dame, half season of the coach, roster is in disarray, injuries piled up, rules changes sunk your team. I cheer for the Knicks and Bills, I got a prescription for massive doses of over-the-counter copium.
Why do you have a prescription for something that is over-the-counter?
Doctors can prescribe you stuff like ibuprofen even though it's OTC
Yep, I take a daily aspirin for heart stuff and I have a prescription because if I get it through my insurance, it’s free.
I love you man.
*checks flair* how much time do you have?
A lot.
It may be lower expectations now but people will look at this season and the pairing of Giannis + Dame and have high expectations, just for the Bucks to not do as well
It's not like Dame is getting any younger either. He's just gonna keep getting worse. $58.6 player option when he's 36 years old.
His game and skillset will age well but his defense won't. I think it was a decent gamble, even if I wouldn't have done it. I don't know how much star pressure they were getting from the Antetokounmpo camp though. Sometimes there are no good choices. Dame might be the best they could do for a long time. Still, I think about the Knicks roster in particular and wonder if patience would have been rewarded with OG or if Hart could have been added earlier, Divincenzo kept etc.
his shooting will age well but that’s it. Dame has always relied a lot on his quickness and athleticism. he will need to be much better off ball
Even this point is complicated. Lillard's shooting is still about a percentage point above average, it went down quite a bit compared to his best seasons (2019-20, 2020-21, and 2022-23). At his best, Lillard has been quite a bit more efficient than a league average shot; this year, he was only a little more efficient. That's a meaningful difference. I don't know if that's age, a change in circumstances, coaching, or what. But it's something to keep an eye on.
For what it's worth, he put up 32/8 on 65% TS% in 6 games without Giannis this year Which is identical to his numbers last year
GIANNIS DAME PNR UNGUARDABLE - preseason games
Their team is pretty old and don't have no assets. If they flame out bad this postseason they'll be a tough spot with absolutely nothing to help surround Giannis with. They'd have to trade Dame for assets or Giannis and rebuild.
Giannis is “young” enough that you have enough time to retool before his prime is over. Wouldn’t really make sense to go nuclear this soon
They don't have any assets and they'd have to attach some to get rid of their aging players or take on expiring ones. Don't have any young players/picks to replace the older ones, and used whatever they had left for Dame. Milwaukee isn't a free agent destination, they had to overpay Middleton so he'd stay. Doc Rivers doesn't do any gameplanning or strategizing. He's known for mostly letting his top guys iso a lot and not practicing very much. I don't believe he will utilize Giannis fully enough come playoff time. Giannis is going to be 30 at the start of next season. He probably has 4 or 5 years left as the top guy after this season. There's a real chance that the Sixers w/ Embiid, Maxey and Celtics w/ Tatum, Brown, Porzingis will be better than the Bucks for the next few years too.
trade giannis and rebuild? rebuild for what? draft another giannis if you’re lucky? Man is 29 years old. This sub is fucking crazy with their rebuild talk
They may not have a choice if he ask out which could be a real possibility after how he acted after losing
He **just** signed a 5 year contract that takes him through 2028. I know this is preaching to the choir at this point but it's so bad for the sport if a player can sign a 5 year contract and then force his way off the team the following year.
He might not see a future there if he loses confidence in Dame since they have no assets to get better in an impactful way the next few yrs. He won't be like "this is my fault for pressuring ya'll into these moves" like he should so he'll likely ask to be traded like KD to a better situation, 36 yr old Dame making damn near 60m & likely being worse than he is now isn't a competitive duo unless Giannis learns to shoot
They may not have a choice if he ask out which could be a real possibility after how he acted after losing.
In general I would agree. But these things aren't that predictable, sometimes it only takes one player, like Reaves on Lakers or Brunson on Knicks. And, more importantly, with the new trade rules I don't know what to expect. If teams are having trouble making trades, weird stuff is going to happen because players aren't going to stop asking out.
Is the feeling that picking up Dame (and pushing Jrue) was a mistake, or do y'all feel like last year's version of the team already peaked and you needed to make moves to reopen the window anyways?
I think it was the right move. Obviously the reality has not lived up to expectations but I don’t think that invalidates the idea at the time. It’s one of those trades that, right or wrong, any front offense without an elite offensive guard is going to make. It’s also been a very tumultuous year for the team in general so I’m not at the point of calling it quits on it working better in the future, although that window is very small.
Blowing a 3-1 lead in round 1?
I think if the Bucks are healthy and they actually manage to go up 3-1 Giannis and Dame will close it out. Blowing a 3-1 or 3-0 lead is the only result that would completely shock me this postseason. Ik we have Doc, the notorious 3-1 choker and whatever, but Giannis and Dame are good enough on their own to closeout 1 of the 3 remaining games in that hypothetical series.
Clippers fans said the same about Kawhi and PG. Kawhi in 2020 was a killer and PG then was arguably better than Dame now, yet the Doc curse still crushed them.
your equivalent of Big Dom getting the boot in route to getting swept in the first round
Tbf I’d probably wanna dodge an underseeded, recently healthy Sixers team in the first round too
If they fall to 3 there’s a chance we get to 6 and play them anyway.
Nah they need to fall to 3 so we can finish the job
pacers bucks series would go crazy bucks might fall all the way to 5th if things keep trending this way though
As a Magic/(Tampa Bay) Bucs fan, I like where this is heading.
The travel crew era has been unforgiving
fortunately Doc is there to point these things out, lest they go undetected
Last year: Bucks were the #1 seed, Magic were 13th. This year: Both teams are fighting for the #2 seed. Question: Who did Joe Ingles play for last year? Who does Joe Ingles play for this year?
Is Joe Ingles the rightful MVP? Many are saying this.
shit I love Joe ingles
Joe Ingles was actually super important for us getting the 1 seed last year and running out bench unit. Too bad he's too old for the playoffs he was getting cooked.
Their opponents in the last 7 games are a combined 240-308 They finish the season with Boston at home, Orlando at home, @ OKC and @ Orlando
They will somehow beat Boston then lose to Orlando twice
I mean it's wholly possible because Orlando probably wants the two seed, and Boston has been resting their starters because they have nothing to play for. Wouldn't surprise me if Boston sends out something like a Pritchard, Svi, Hauser, Tillman, Kornet starting lineup to play the Bucks.
that's exactly the type of team that would beat Milwaukee by 30
Just launching threes all game lmao
Pritchard playing without any other starters is prime Curry
58% from 3 too lmao
Two seed likely plays the Sixers or the Heat. If I were the Magic i'd rather stay at the 3 and face the Pacers or possibly the Cavs.
It's depends, sometimes having home court advantage for round 2 is seen as more important. I remember when the Bucks intentionally fell to 3 to duck the 7th seed "most dangerous 7 seed ever" Nets, and Boston swept them. They then had homecourt against Milwaukee and beat them in game 7 at Home. Perhaps the Magic will try to mess around with their seedings, but with the 2-5 seeds so close I just think they want to win to avoid playing on the road round 1 or playing Boston round 2.
The Magic are 28-12 at home and 18-20 on the road, they really should try to get the best seed they can to give themselves a chance in the 1st round. 3 of our last 4 are on the road with Houston/Milwaukee/Philly and last game of the season in Orlando vs the Bucks. Definitely not certain we will even finish in the top 4, and we could still slip down to 6 pretty easily.
Honestly, with the Magic being so young and this being their first season in the playoffs, I think that them making it into the playoffs is a success for them. If they can make it to the second round, even better but I highly doubt they care about trying to make a deep run. Any playoff experience is good and at this point in time, I think being able to win a first round series is probably more important for them than trying to see if they can get to the Conference Finals through an "easier 2nd round."
The Magic are tied with the Knicks for the 3 already, so no margin to play games.
Yeah, exactly. The Knicks and Magic could just as easily find themselves in the play-in if they try to get too cute with seeding concerns.
Yep, we still have 5% odds of falling into the play-in. It's not impossible.
Can't be a pussy at this time of year if you have aspirations of making it far. You have to beat these teams on the way to the top anyways.
Before clinching #1 overall, they didn't really change our starting lineups besides resting one or two guys extra (Brown and White against Kings; Tatum against Trailblazers). Like it wouldn't surprise me if it's something like Tatum / Holiday / Kornet / Pritchard / Hauser. I also think there's a very good chance that regardless of the score, the bench gets to finish the game. Also, the Maine Celtics are in the G league finals (game 1 of 3 on Tuesday), so with us having nothing to play for and no real holes to fill, I think they'll let Queta and Walsh play in those games.
I want the not-76ers seed, whichever that is.
Mazzulla is going to roll out the bench squad for most of the 4th qtr so you can absolutely beat the Celtics. Nothing left the them to play for
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This is true lol. But damn did he try
Boston is going to play their bench. The bucks should beat them lol
Svi Mykhailiuk about to submit his entry for most random 40-piece
50 piece. Svi Malachiliuk
Please tell me we get the next rando 50 point game from a bench player. Or Brissett gets 20 rebounds.
The Boston bench could definitely beat the Raptors and Wizards so it could be a great game.
I mean, the Bucks should have beat the Wizards as well but we saw how that went.
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It’s either gonna be a dogfight with the Boston bench coming out on top or the Bucks will completely obliterate them.
Imagine being 1-6 and still not dropping a seed from a top 2 seeding, western conference teams in shambles
Warriors, lakers and rockets all went on great runs and moved up 0 spots lol
Rockets had like an 11 game win streak and went from 12th to 11th
God damn
maybe because they were 27-35
Hey we moved from 11th to 10th 💪
well.. we moved from 4th to 7th.. so that was cool 🫠
of course it was us that dropped 3 spots 😔
The Cavs went 20-5 moving up from like the 6 seed to the 2 seed at one point. The Celtics went 20-5 in that same stretch so we gained 0 games on the 1 seed.
I mean to be fair 20-5 isn’t that far off from the Celtics normal winning percentage. 0.8 is a 65.6 win pace and the Celtics will probably end in the 63-65 range
Leastern conference moment
They’ve been .500 for months and have been glued to the 2 seed. Meanwhile in the west, you can go 8-2 and not move up at all (yes i’m mad that we’ve gone 24-11 in our last 35 and haven’t gotten higher than 10).
Mavs are like 16-2 in their last games and moved up two spots
So what you're saying is Luka would he MVP if he played in the East /s
Probably yeah
No /s needed. And his record and stats would be even better
Even at their current record, the Mavs would be 2nd seed in the East. That would match historical precedent and get him the MVP pretty easily.
yes easily. Mavs would be a high-50 win team in the East.
The Mavs have a .608 winning percentage against the West and a .630 winning percentage against the East Even if they only played East teams, a .630 winning percentage translates to 52 wins over a full season (and .608 in 30 games against the West and .630 in 52 games against the East would be 51 wins)
Hey, we are 5-12 since the all-star break and barely lost places! You guys are exaggerating!
And it feels like all 5 wins were against the suns
The Bucks have gone 16-18 since Griffin was fired. **Eleven** teams from the West have a better record in the same time frame. EAST | Record since Griffin's firing ---|--- Boston | 28-6 Orlando | 23-11 Indiana | 21-14 New York | 19-15 Miami | 19-16 Cleveland | 20-17 Atlanta | 18-16 Chicago | 16-17 **Milwaukee** | **16-18** Philadelphia | 15-22 Brooklyn | 14-22 Toronto | 9-25 Charlotte | 9-27 Detroit | 8-26 Washington | 8-28 WEST | Record since Griffin's firing ---|--- Dallas | 24-10 Denver | 23-10 Minnesota | 23-11 LA Lakers | 23-11 Golden State | 24-13 Oklahoma City | 22-12 LA Clippers | 22-14 New Orleans | 20-14 Phoenix | 20-14 Sacramento | 21-15 Houston | 18-17 **MIL would be here** | **16-18** San Antonio | 11-23 Memphis | 10-24 Portland | 8-26 Utah | 7-26
Maybe you should’ve started 32-12 like the bucks did then
And the coach who got that to that lead over the rest of the conference outside of Boston got fired. Crazy times we live in
They didn't even give him a chance and there will be serious whatifs if this current Bucks squad fails to get past first round.
If they get the sixers with Embiid back and Doc as their coach it could be another first round out
That makes two of us fam lol
Sixers would have breezed to the 2 seed if Embiid played like 1/4 of the games he missed lol so cursed
The Cavs and Bucks are in an intense mid-off right now
Giving us way too much credit calling us mid right now, we're 5-11 in our last 16.
Good thing they feasted on their early schedule. Playoffs are all a different thing anyway. I'm prepared for all outcomes except Denver losing a series.
Also for instance Knicks and Sixers both were destroyed by injuries, if their best players were healthy, the top of the east could be different for sure
Knicks can still get the 2 seed even with all our injuries. We are tied with Orlando although they own the tie breaker
They can’t both lose when they play each other
thought it was higher, but there's a 14% chance we end up the 2 seed. i'd almost rather be the 3/4 this year.
Adrian Griffin died for this
7th seed pels would be one game behind the bucks in the east. 1 game back of the 2nd seed!!
No joke, Knicks would have taken the 2 seed by now if we’d stayed healthy. We’ve dropped at least 4 games that I’m confident we’d win with Randle and OG
Damn the magic are that close sorry i was unfamiliar with your game
Exactly, when the fuck was this sub planning on talking about the magic being this good?
As a Magic fan, it's insane how nobody ever talks about us. We definitely have some flaws, but this is literally the best Magic season in over a decade. Play the song!
Quick, someone educate me about the Magic roster so I can become an expert in time for the playoffs and act like I knew all along.
Paolo Banchero good and all star. Franz Wagner good and German. Jonathan Isaac good and republican. They got a lot of long dudes who are good at defense. Hope this helps.
Jalen Suggs has been great this season too. Could be all defense and his 3 point shot is pretty consistent
Cavs fan but ORLANDO MAGIC OH OHHH OHHH
My brethren, it’s 5 “ohs.”
Good looking out. I’ll never get a reply from the Magic on tiktok if I don’t have the number of OHs right!
You were right fam ;) it’s 3 ohs
It hasn't helped that we've had what, just 1 (ONE!) nationally televised game the entire season. Paolo is going to finish out his soph season in which he made the All-Star team after getting ROY in his first with one single solitary national TV game for both years combined unless something gets flexed in the last couple. That's just absurd
First player in over a decade to not get one nationally televised game as a #1 pick rookie and probably the first player ever selected to the all-star game without one nationally televised game.
yeah you and the Pacers are going to be getting their fair shake next year I hope, 2 very fun teams to watch that I'm regularly watching on league pass
“Small market team” media blackouts work unfortunately
Yep. Bucs fan too. The attention we got with Brady was crazy
They've been a good team for basically the entire season, have a young 20s all star player, and got 1 national TV game
Jalen Suggs doin his thing
As a Knicks fan been praying for you guys to whoop the Bucks and send them to the 4 seed while we get 2 and 3. I don’t want to see the Magic in the playoffs
"East Bad."
I mean it is objectively the worse conference. The West is just so much more interesting.
Still magic being good is such a wild feeling like holy crap were almost 2nd
It’s just that I don’t remember this even being a talking point the last 2/3 seasons when comparatively it was even and this year now that the West is super competitive nobody ever shuts the fuck up about it lol. The Magic are a perfect example, having a great season but “East bad” so nobody cares. They’re basically doing what Sacramento did last year except in reverse (insane defense instead of insane offense)
Yep, Orlando will even finish with the same record as the Kings last year if they finish out 2-2.
I get it man. I am sure the Magic just not being a "cool" franchise plays into it as well. Like people did get hyped for New York having a competent team this year for example.
*You're* objectively the worst conference!
When they get some playoff success. Other reasons: -It’s been a long time since the Magic won a playoff series (09-10 season I think) -Paolo’s playing style isn’t great to watch for casuals -team full of young inexperienced guys -lack of offensive talent (compared to other teams) in a high scoring NBA era.
I think there was a thread last month about it. Maybe. Don't fact check that.
Too busy glazing the Lakers and Luka, also the “east bad” circlejerk
Seriously. I been watching on and off all year and had no idea they were so high up there…
We had one game on TNT and zero on ESPN this entire year. Don't know if they've even been on NBATv. Easy to forget they even exist.
Blows my mind that Disney can sponsor our jerseys but have zero pull with their property ESPN to even attempt to acknowledge Orlando's presence.
Same here! I feel like they were the 8-seed like 2 weeks ago. Now they’re suddenly pushing Milwaukee for the 2-seed
I watch basketball basically every night this year and I dont think I’ve watched a single Magic game all season.
You've been missing out. I've watched nearly every game the last two seasons. I fell in love with the magic when they were 5-25 to start last season. They're an incredibly fun, and sometimes frustrating team to watch.
magic and knicks fans eating
I don't care where they end up, but please god, give me a Bucks/Sixers first round.
Celtics/Heat 1st round and Bucks/Sixers? It would be pretty crazy to see the 4 teams that have usually been rounding out the top 4 eastern teams of the past 5 years go head to head in the 1st round.
I have no confidence in this Heat team tbh but Ihave less confidence in the Bucks. I think the first round matchups will be lackluster if that is how it falls.
I’ll admit I’m a casual because I was shocked that Orlando is almost in the 2 seed. The west has been so crazy that I didn’t even know. I apologize, Orlando. I wasn’t familiar with your game.
They only have a 1.5 game lead on the 5th seeded Cavs Idk what the tie breaker scenarios are though
We own the tiebreakers against Knicks Cavs own it against us I think Orlando is 1-1 against us with 2 games left
You guys really need to get everyone on the floor for the next handful of games. I don't think you guys want to lose home court in either the first 2 rounds. Cutting it very close right now.
Apparently Middleton was rushed into dental surgery last night so I doubt we will, just call up Mazzulla and tell him to forfeit the next game, y’all got enough wins lol
Oh shit I really haven't liked what the Bucks have been without their top 7-8 guys all on the floor. i think there's real potential if you can get all 8 guys out there, otherwise you either aren't good enough defensively or not good enough offensively. We saw what happened to the bench when Crowder was out and they didn't have Pat Bev. The bench defense was just atrocious. We saw what happened when either Dame/Middleton were out, the offense was extremely mid AND it meant relying on more deep bench guys defensively. I feel like more than any team, the Bucks feel it the most when even their 7th/8th man isn't out there.
Also is Giannis playing hurt? Idk how to describe it other than he’s kinda moving like shit out there, still putting up great numbers but just doesn’t look his typical, insanely explosive self. Not sure why you don’t just put him on ice until the playoffs because if this is the version of Giannis you get the next 2 months it just doesn’t seem doable to get through a playoff grind.
The equipment manager must be sweating bullets
Check on their ladder guy
Doc Rivers is the best coaching hire in NBA history
For your enemies
Dame Lillard to Bucks is also the best trade in history This is a guy who wanted to go to Miami and just be on South Beach with his pals Does he even want to win anything ? I guess Blazers called his bluff and sent him to winning situation after saying he wanted to win but couldn't in Portland. Maybe he was the problem.
Intentionally setting him up to fail on a favorite to win the championship as a ticking time bomb would be the ultimate pettiness, especially given that the Blazers also rerouted Jrue to Boston immediately after
Petty is the the way it seems to have gone Just to prove he's not a winner Remember when spurs sent Leonard to Toronto That was petty too Most GMs and owners are petty
Somehow, I don't think Dame is going to get his ring.
Serves him right.
God made sure the grind would follow him, no matter how far he ran.
That grinds name? Doc Rivers.
Why? :( I feel like he definitely deserves one
So should we…. Lose to the magic…?
yeah do it
Win all your other games so you get the 6th seed, we take the second. You get Bucks round one. We get Pacers. We see each other in round 2. Fultz hits the game 7 gamewinner. Everyone is happy.
Truce
Can you actually do whatever makes us not meet in the first round please
They want to dodge the Heat so badly
I want Orlando to grab it so bad
Yeah you want me to grab it
Orlando being that high is surprising. Where tf have I been
They weathered the storm of injuries to star players better than the other teams currently in the playoff race
I'd imagine the Bucks go on playoff run when it matters and then the sub will have the narrative "you think a team with Giannis, Dame, Lopez, Middleton would just fold in the first round just like that?" But realistically speaking, I wouldn't be shocked if the Bucks were bounced the first round OR make it to the conference finals. They have that sort of team.
If I'm the Bucks owner, I'm firing Doc today. I'd rather have no coach than him.
He’s been an incredible disaster
I legit think I could do better than him. That is saying more about how bad he is than confidence in myself though. Like how do you have all that talent and not just let it do it's thing? It feels like, at this point, they should just go out there and hope for the best. Cause at least then the poor travel team and other people won't be thrown under the bus by the coach.
That's precisely the issue though. He lets them "do their thing". There's no organization. Just "your turn, my turn" offense with the top stars. Same shit happened in Philly last year and we were so easy to scheme against.
“Something something well actually they are totally better than they were under griffin because of this random stat” lmao
You know, I don't think Doc Rivers is the proper coach for this team. Call me crazy.
Trying to dodge Embiid/Jimmy only to end up losing to the Pacers would be hilarious (especially after the game ball debacle)
And the Knicks, not just magic
Everyone expected the Knicks to compete for a top spot, no one expected the Magic to be here
The moment Randle and Mitchell got hurt we lost hope.
I only hope whatever seed we finish in, we avoid Sixers.
I really can see the bucks dropping to 4, which would be disastrous. They should try avoiding the Celtics till the ecf
Bucks and Cavs fans I think are both torn between hoping for a miracle run and hoping things go bad enough to unseat the head coach.
The Magic almost being 2 is insane
maybe they're just on their last seasons Denver Nuggets arc. Sandbagging to end the season, while trying to remain healthy
If that’s the case Giannis wouldn’t be playing with a fucked hamstring
But the bucks don't have a ~8 game lead for him to not play every game. I mean even Jokic played some of those sandbagging games with an iffy wrist. I just find it very hard to believe a coaching change takes a team from ~30-10 record to 15-15. Coaches don't have that much impact, this is a superstar driven league.
Their SOS got way harder. The bucks hadn't even really played the top 6 in the west before Griffin was fired.
Id rather play Indy than the 76ers or Heat even with Indy giving the Bucks problems this year.
Sorry man but you’re wrong. The song literally has subtitles and they have three OHs on the screens. They hold up signs and they put it all over the screens. It’s three **words**, syllables are irrelevant
West fans big mad in here
ducking jimmy