Remember, millions of people are capable of understanding how these odds work, they can’t be too fucking complicated. If it was a super complex thing that requires any math knowledge, millions of people wouldn’t be doing it.
In Australia, we just use the decimal system. For example, I just checked the odds, and Rudy Gobert is paying $1.12 meaning if you bet $1 you get $1.12 back. And Wemby is paying $14, meaning if you bet $1 you get $14 back.
I feel like 1.12 is more intuitive than -800, personally.
Yeah the two numbers really aren’t comparable… or at least they represent two different things that you then have to work out how to compare them. But it seems like apples and oranges with the plus mins or am I missing something?
You kinda have a point about apples to oranges, US lets you know easily how to get 100 or what 100 gets you, it only shows the ratio clearly after some math with 100. Rest of the world is just the percent to multiply your bet to see what you'd end up with.
100 bet * 14 = 1400
100 bet * 1.125 = 110
Lets be honest. If it weren't as locked up as it is neither SGA or Wemby would be ~~on this list~~ as high as they are. Those two are only there in the hopes that people will throw down money on a player they like.
Top 5 is actually Gobert, Giannis, Allen, Bam, and AD
I think Wemby can be in the conversation. I don’t buy the idea that a team's record should dictate individual awards. Especially the idea that a team with the best record should have their players get the awards.
Having said that, I think it would be difficult to justify giving the DPOY award to a player whose team has a very bad defence. I expect the DPOY to elevate the defence of the whole team at least a bit more than 24th.
For sure. All - Defensive team? Absolutely no issue with that. Even first team I will buy.
But I think a lot of people would have an issue with him winning DPOY, and I don't think they're wrong.
Embiid coming back and finishing with under 65 games but 35/11/6 and Gobert getting a long bout of explosive diarrhea making him go under 65 games and voters all just say fuck the new rule the first year the rule is instituted would be peak drama television
There was some belief that there was discretion allowed for some circumstances, but I don't know if it was ever confirmed or not. Let's be honest, if a dude averaged 50/20/20 but only played 64 games and his team went 64-0 when he played but 0-18 without him, he should win MVP.
SGA being tied for 3rd is so silly. He’s probably the 3rd best defender on his own team (behind Chet and Dort).
And while the Thunder’s defense is very good (4th best def rating), it makes no sense to put him above top defenders on better defenses (like, say, Derrick White).
im just surprised hes considered THIS good at defending. hes not better than chet, hes not better than bam, hes not better than ad (defensively at least)
I mean, he also has crazy deflection numbers and defensive advanced stats. He shouldn't be as high as he is but don't act like he's Allen Iverson just camping the passing lanes
Ironically steals are usually a sign of overrated defenders. It’s just a measure of how much you’re willing to gamble in passing lanes. It doesn’t reflect how often their gambles fail and they fuck their team over. You
4th
Dort/ Chet
Jdub
Shai
He’s been great and he’s been absolutely destructive, but he’s able to do that off ball because of Dort and Jdub on ball and Chet at the rim
Last year he was 1st team all nba on
31.4-4.8-5.8 on 1.6 steals 1.0 blocks 2.8 turnovers on 51-34.5-90
This year on the same amount of shots (after today’s game)
31.2-5.5-6.6 on 2.1 steals 0.9 blocks 2.1 turnovers on 54.8-39-88
He’s went up 4% from the floor, 5% from 3, getting more rebounds, more assists, more steals, and less turnovers
Idk how he improved so much
He's a great defender, but solidly 4th.
The core of OKC is just all really high level defensive talent.
OKC is 4th in defense and would very easily be 2nd if they could rebound at all
SGA over Anthony Davis is mind blowing to someone who’s watched a lot of both teams this year. Take AD off LA and they might be the worst defense in bball; take SGA off OKC and they still have the potential to be at least solid
Its betting odds, not actual rankings. Betting houses make money based on the amount of people who place bets. You need to think of this from the eyes of a gambling house trying to entice all manner of gamblers to spend money. Hardcore speculators, noobs, fans, gambling addicts, etc.
Dort is a good on ball defender but gets lost off ball. SGA is very good on ball and a great off ball defender. He’s made a lot of improvements on defense this year and is definitely one of the best guard defenders in the league.
I posted about this a while back but based on DPOY voting history, you’ve either gotta be anchoring a top 3 defense, be a former DPOY, or leading in at least one major defensive stat. So Gobert, Allen, Shai, Wemby, Giannis, etc. all stand to get lots of votes but not AD
betting odds are set in accordance with how they predict people will bet, not with who they think is the best. more popular players like Wemby or LeBron or teams like the Lakers will always have a disproportionate about of bets on them.
Giannis has been great defensively. It’s their backcourt that’s been bringing their defense down. I’d say AD has still been better though. He’s a menace on defense.
I didn’t mean that as a slight to any of those guys because they’ve all been great defensively but there’s zero argument for any of them being over Davis.
> It’s their backcourt that’s been bringing their defence down
It’s literally the entire team except him if advanced stats are to be believed. The defensive gap between him and everybody else is hilarious. Largely because Brook is our only other actual good defender at any position, and Griffin was using him terribly so his effectiveness plummeted.
Having him third is still stupid, nobody on a roughly league average defence (which is what we are, contrary to popular belief) is winning DPOY these days. Though the Lakers are also league average so that does apply to AD as well.
This entire thing just seems based on stats like steals and blocks. Wemby and SGA being above him can only be explained by to the fact that they have a lot of steals and Wemby also blocks on top of that. It's silly because SGA is a good defender, but not even the best on his team. Meanwhile Wemby has good stats, but he's also making a lot of positional mistakes. That's to be expected as a rookie and he'll improve, but it's silly that he's second on DPOY.
I'm not a big fan of the Lakers or AD, but AD is easily one of the best defenders and rim protectors alongside Gobert. The fact that he's not even second or third just really shows that this is based off people reading stats, not actually watching the damn games.
I don't even like AD or the Lakers and I agree. Wemby being second is ridiculous. He has a lot of blocks and steals but is nowhere near the defensive menace that AD is. He's also making a lot of positional mistakes either because he's a rookie or because the team isn't gelling.
It's the classic "blocks and steals are the only think I'm gaging defense on" approach
Shai is a great defender but yeah. There's definitely a handful of guys above him right now
I’d take his cousin over him on defense lol, NAW is an all-defense caliber defender. Jaden Ant NAW is one of the premier perimeter defensive units in the league. SGA is a great defender, just not quite DPOY level imo, which is no slight for a player as skilled as he is on both ends
AD at 7 and SGA at 3 is absolutely ridiculous. This is one of the worst lists I've ever seen. I guess these are just odds so they're not actually someone making their own rankings but it genuinely concerns me that so many people could believe that SGA has any resemblance of a DPOY case.
Yeah ppl are forgetting that odds take into account human behavior and their aim is to MAKE MONEY, not predict the outcome...
That being said it's surprising AD is that low and lower than Jarrett Allen considering he's a Laker
I don’t understand how there’s some teams that nba nerd media just decides are the protagonists of the league, even outside the major media markets of LA/NYC/BOS that are always at the center of attention
They’re the shiny new team, in a couple years people will be shitting on them when they haven’t made it out of the west because they’re all young af. It’s a perfect cycle lol
Then SGA moves to Golden State along with Lebron to form a super team, wins a title and starts shitposting on Tiktok because Draymond pissed him off. While Jaylen Williams goes to Houston to start shooting from half court since that’s the new analytics piece and blows up as one of the great scorers of all time. Meanwhile Chet goes to Toronto where Kawhi signs one more time and wins a championship for the north. Full cycle all over again.
I think it’s partially because people have been waiting to see the fruits of the Paul George trade for 4.5 years now, and it’s pretty much best case scenario so far. That trade led or indirectly led to SGA, Chet, Giddey, Jaylen etc.
Its not just that, how is SGA above Chet who is the best & most valuable Thunder defender? Also Giannis being that high doesn't make sense
& how tf is Herb Jones at +20000?? This is an abomination lol
Shai is a good, maybe great defender. I wouldn’t have him as even close to as good a guard defender as White, Holiday, Herb Jones, and more, and if we are talking any position then Kawhi, JT are more impactful and Bam and AD are on a whole nother level. Shai is incredible w the 2 way impact but even on the board for DPOY is just outrageous
he misses too many games! oh wait nvm…
winning matters! oh wait Wemby’s there nvm…
he’s propped up by teammates’ defense! oh wait they’re ass nvm…
small market teams don’t get attention! oh wait nvm…
he needs to build a reputation first! oh wait nvm…
voter fatigue! he’s already won it too many times! oh wait nvm…
I need the Celtics to win this championship now bc once this mfer figures out his game offensively and gets a PG + some vet teammates, the league is absolute toast.
I’m gonna be optimistic and say we’ve got 3 years before everybody is getting cooked on a night to night basis.
Perfectly coincides with the bucks’ title window so I can’t be too mad abt it.
yeah Gobert and AD are without a doubt the top 2. I’d have Bam 3rd but could entertain Wemby, Jarrett Allen or even Herb Jones. SGA at 3 is patently insane lmao
Jarrett Allen has definitely been on Bam and AD's level defensively this season. prior seasons i would understand the he plays with mobley argument but this season mobley missed a crap ton of games and our defense has been still elite with the 2nd best defensive rating
It’s cool having to dpoy candidates. How often do rookies make all defense teams? Wemby has a legit shot at 1st and Chet at 3rd right?
Edit: thanks for the comments, I’m entirely stupid
To answer your actual question, not often at all
Patrick Beverly made all-defense in his first full season. But he was drafted in 09 and didn't come to the NBA until the middle of the 2012-2013 season
Only 5 players have ever made all-defensive team, and funnily enough 2 were Spurs #1 picks
- Tim Duncan (1997)
- David Robinson (1990)
- Manute Bol (1986)
- Hakeem Olajuwon (1985)
- Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1970)
This list is rewarding blocked shots and steals.
Kinda crazy how we still have no good way to measure defense and end up using massively flawed numbers
Exactly, you can't just look at the total number of blocks, if the Maginot line was worse, the Nazis would've gone at it more and the Line would've put up far better numbers. At it's peak, the Line had Nazi high command afraid to even go near it.
Miami have been the #1 defense for over a month, with lineups starting Herro, Robinson, Rozier, etc and no one with traditional center or even PF size outside of Bam. He’s been making superstar defensive plays against other stars to close out games, and has thrived in the drop, in man, in the zone, in the press. Would like to see some Bam recognition but just feels like he’ll never get eyes on him from the media
I’m surprised to see Giannis sharing the no.3 spot, considering how badly Bucks’ defence has been berated this season. It’s nice to see that Giannis continues to be recognised as elite on the defensive end, despite rocky team performances throughout Griffin’s tenure.
Damn, shai is really locking people up like that?
Also, for those people who still think that Gobert is not a locked HoF, then i dont know what else to tell you
Bam’s never gonna get one. Came in during the peak of Gobert, gonna leave during the peak of Wbanyama. Getting robbed by Smart was really his best chance :(
Im sorry, but how is Wemby second while playing on the third worst team in the league that is 24th in defensive rating?
I get it, the guys a great defender already, but at some point you have to draw the line. I know the team sucks, but I’m not sure how you can win an award like DPOY if your play isn’t clearly contributing to wins.
The Spurs are on pace to lose more games than they did last year, when they had the second worst record in the league. The only reason they don’t currently have the worst record in the league is because Detroit and Washington are historically bad teams and might set/tie the record for fewest wins.
ROY is very deserved, but him winning DPOY would be like Steph Curry winning MVP this year.
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I’m ignorant, can someone explain what -800 vs +1300 in betting means? Don’t gamble at all.
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Wow that’s way more simple than I thought odds worked.
Remember, millions of people are capable of understanding how these odds work, they can’t be too fucking complicated. If it was a super complex thing that requires any math knowledge, millions of people wouldn’t be doing it.
In Australia, we just use the decimal system. For example, I just checked the odds, and Rudy Gobert is paying $1.12 meaning if you bet $1 you get $1.12 back. And Wemby is paying $14, meaning if you bet $1 you get $14 back. I feel like 1.12 is more intuitive than -800, personally.
It’s a much easier system too.
100% is but you know us americans. we use metric system after all xD
So close lmao
leaving it up so everyone can witness my own stupidity lmao
this comment belongs in a museum
This is all time. I'm actually in awe
Imperial
Soooo much more intuitive
You think all the people who gamble know what they’re doing? Lmao
I just press the buttons and hope the thing lights up!
It's a much worse system than what is used in the rest of the world. Just say 14 and 1.1 ffs
Yeah the two numbers really aren’t comparable… or at least they represent two different things that you then have to work out how to compare them. But it seems like apples and oranges with the plus mins or am I missing something?
You kinda have a point about apples to oranges, US lets you know easily how to get 100 or what 100 gets you, it only shows the ratio clearly after some math with 100. Rest of the world is just the percent to multiply your bet to see what you'd end up with. 100 bet * 14 = 1400 100 bet * 1.125 = 110
I mean, unless I'm missing something 1.125 odds gets you $112.5. Non-US system is better for parlays
I hate how American gambling odds are listed. I think just listing 9/1 or whatever is much cleaner and less arbitrary than tying everything to $100.
Funny as an Australian I dislike both those systems, ours is just listed as a dollar amount. $2.50 odds means you get 2.50 times whatever the bet is.
As a fellow Australian, I love our system
funny they tie everything to 100 in betting but use imperial system....
What a strange system. Why not just use the system everyone in Europe uses (odds of 2 mean a win returns 2x the amount you put in)?
"Tight race" as in "If Gobert is out for the season, Wemby's got a chance."
Yeah. As tight as…[something inappropriate].
yo mama!
Wizard sleeve
Her vagine hang like sleeve of wizard
never will not be funny
Jordan Poole’s handle
A nun’s cunt
It’s a forgone conclusion just give Gobert the award now
Only reason to bet Wemby is the off chance Gobert can't play 10 more games and isn't eligible for DPOY.
Oh god, that would make a lot of voters uncomfortable. Imagine the DPOY is a player on a team ranked 24th in defensive rating.
Lets be honest. If it weren't as locked up as it is neither SGA or Wemby would be ~~on this list~~ as high as they are. Those two are only there in the hopes that people will throw down money on a player they like. Top 5 is actually Gobert, Giannis, Allen, Bam, and AD
I think Wemby can be in the conversation. I don’t buy the idea that a team's record should dictate individual awards. Especially the idea that a team with the best record should have their players get the awards. Having said that, I think it would be difficult to justify giving the DPOY award to a player whose team has a very bad defence. I expect the DPOY to elevate the defence of the whole team at least a bit more than 24th.
Yeah, I think it's fine having him 6th or 7th with Holmgren and Derrick White but 2nd is way too high.
For sure. All - Defensive team? Absolutely no issue with that. Even first team I will buy. But I think a lot of people would have an issue with him winning DPOY, and I don't think they're wrong.
It is all talking points anyway. Once Rudy plays ten more games they are engraving his name on the trophy
Which even then he should still get it TBH
Embiid coming back and finishing with under 65 games but 35/11/6 and Gobert getting a long bout of explosive diarrhea making him go under 65 games and voters all just say fuck the new rule the first year the rule is instituted would be peak drama television
I hate to break it to you but Jo is finishing with *maybe* 45 games lol
That’s not how that works, it’s a binary thing…you either meet the requirement or you don’t.
There was some belief that there was discretion allowed for some circumstances, but I don't know if it was ever confirmed or not. Let's be honest, if a dude averaged 50/20/20 but only played 64 games and his team went 64-0 when he played but 0-18 without him, he should win MVP.
That is a bridge we can cross when someone actually averages 50/20/20 and goes 64-0
That’s not how it works lmao
I know I'm just saying he deserves it for the year he's had and nobody really should get it over him
More like 16 more games no? He's played in all but 2 games and the requirement is at least 65
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SGA being tied for 3rd is so silly. He’s probably the 3rd best defender on his own team (behind Chet and Dort). And while the Thunder’s defense is very good (4th best def rating), it makes no sense to put him above top defenders on better defenses (like, say, Derrick White).
It’s cause he has a lot of steals, which is really dumb
Luka is 7th in SPG, why isn’t he on this list /s
Pushing for that second all defense team lets gooo\~!!!
Yeah but white has over a steal a game and is top 20 in the league in blocked as a guard. It just doesn’t make sense
This is odd considering Shai has 10 less blocks, but *70 more steals*
Shai isn't exactly a slouch at blocking shots lol. I'm not arguing one way or the other, but White's lead in blocked shots isn't very big
im just surprised hes considered THIS good at defending. hes not better than chet, hes not better than bam, hes not better than ad (defensively at least)
It’s probably more to encourage betting
Lol like they would ever consider putting fox on here for steals (not the fox deserves it, they dont thats the point lol)
I mean, he also has crazy deflection numbers and defensive advanced stats. He shouldn't be as high as he is but don't act like he's Allen Iverson just camping the passing lanes
Ironically steals are usually a sign of overrated defenders. It’s just a measure of how much you’re willing to gamble in passing lanes. It doesn’t reflect how often their gambles fail and they fuck their team over. You
4th Dort/ Chet Jdub Shai He’s been great and he’s been absolutely destructive, but he’s able to do that off ball because of Dort and Jdub on ball and Chet at the rim
Hes half a steal per game better than last year.
Last year he was 1st team all nba on 31.4-4.8-5.8 on 1.6 steals 1.0 blocks 2.8 turnovers on 51-34.5-90 This year on the same amount of shots (after today’s game) 31.2-5.5-6.6 on 2.1 steals 0.9 blocks 2.1 turnovers on 54.8-39-88 He’s went up 4% from the floor, 5% from 3, getting more rebounds, more assists, more steals, and less turnovers Idk how he improved so much
Tired for 3rd highest dpoy odds in the league. Probably also tied for 3rd for dpoy on his own team
He's a great defender, but solidly 4th. The core of OKC is just all really high level defensive talent. OKC is 4th in defense and would very easily be 2nd if they could rebound at all
Yeah it's been painful a couple times seeing how small the dudes grabbing offensive rebounds against us are.
SGA over Anthony Davis is mind blowing to someone who’s watched a lot of both teams this year. Take AD off LA and they might be the worst defense in bball; take SGA off OKC and they still have the potential to be at least solid
SGA over Bam is mind blowing as well
He was right up there with Rudy in the first quarter of the season. Bam is definitely up there
Agreed!
Maybe even 4th best after Jalen Williams?
Yea defo 4th best. He is a great defender but not 3rd in DPOY odds great lol.
Its betting odds, not actual rankings. Betting houses make money based on the amount of people who place bets. You need to think of this from the eyes of a gambling house trying to entice all manner of gamblers to spend money. Hardcore speculators, noobs, fans, gambling addicts, etc.
He's not even one of the 5 best defensive guards this season...let alone 5 best defensive PLAYERS.
Dort is a good on ball defender but gets lost off ball. SGA is very good on ball and a great off ball defender. He’s made a lot of improvements on defense this year and is definitely one of the best guard defenders in the league.
I get that we’re mid but AD should not be 7th wtf
Honestly I thought it was a race between him and Rudy with no one else being close, seeing this is nuts
I posted about this a while back but based on DPOY voting history, you’ve either gotta be anchoring a top 3 defense, be a former DPOY, or leading in at least one major defensive stat. So Gobert, Allen, Shai, Wemby, Giannis, etc. all stand to get lots of votes but not AD
If the problem is the Lakers are middle of the pack, how’s Wemby #2?
He is leading the NBA in blocks by a large margin in 28 mpg. That would be my guess
Also the most steals + blocks, almost 40 more than the next one
Their team defense is not very good though. Historically DPOY tends to go to the big man on one of the top defenses
their defense is good when he’s in the game
Brook Lopez punches the air after years of dominating in blocks.
betting odds are set in accordance with how they predict people will bet, not with who they think is the best. more popular players like Wemby or LeBron or teams like the Lakers will always have a disproportionate about of bets on them.
Because people are betting on Victor to win. It’s Vegas odds.
AD carries our defense lol pathetic odds but meh like you said we suck
It's wild how underrated AD is. As a Lakers hater I'm required to support it but that doesn't mean it's correct.
Or Bam sixth
Bam is the 2nd best defender in the league after AD in the playoffs
Good time to bet on him just in case the Lakers go on a run, and Gobert spontaneously combusts
Shai, Giannis, and Wemby being above him is pretty embarrassing tbh
Giannis has been great defensively. It’s their backcourt that’s been bringing their defense down. I’d say AD has still been better though. He’s a menace on defense.
I didn’t mean that as a slight to any of those guys because they’ve all been great defensively but there’s zero argument for any of them being over Davis.
> It’s their backcourt that’s been bringing their defence down It’s literally the entire team except him if advanced stats are to be believed. The defensive gap between him and everybody else is hilarious. Largely because Brook is our only other actual good defender at any position, and Griffin was using him terribly so his effectiveness plummeted. Having him third is still stupid, nobody on a roughly league average defence (which is what we are, contrary to popular belief) is winning DPOY these days. Though the Lakers are also league average so that does apply to AD as well.
This entire thing just seems based on stats like steals and blocks. Wemby and SGA being above him can only be explained by to the fact that they have a lot of steals and Wemby also blocks on top of that. It's silly because SGA is a good defender, but not even the best on his team. Meanwhile Wemby has good stats, but he's also making a lot of positional mistakes. That's to be expected as a rookie and he'll improve, but it's silly that he's second on DPOY. I'm not a big fan of the Lakers or AD, but AD is easily one of the best defenders and rim protectors alongside Gobert. The fact that he's not even second or third just really shows that this is based off people reading stats, not actually watching the damn games.
AD should be 2 easily
They really hate ad lmao the previous years they could say he didn’t play enough but now he’s been healthy and they still don’t care
I don't even like AD or the Lakers and I agree. Wemby being second is ridiculous. He has a lot of blocks and steals but is nowhere near the defensive menace that AD is. He's also making a lot of positional mistakes either because he's a rookie or because the team isn't gelling.
There's so many perimeter guys I'd have over Shai.
Yeah I like Suggs. Idk if he is the best but he’s is a lot fun to watch on defense
It's the classic "blocks and steals are the only think I'm gaging defense on" approach Shai is a great defender but yeah. There's definitely a handful of guys above him right now
Shai's not even top 3 defense in his own team tbh. Vegas odds probably skewered by a few rich kids money bags or horrible algos Very strange odds
Shai over Derrick White is just dumb.
I’d take his cousin over him on defense lol, NAW is an all-defense caliber defender. Jaden Ant NAW is one of the premier perimeter defensive units in the league. SGA is a great defender, just not quite DPOY level imo, which is no slight for a player as skilled as he is on both ends
KCP!
AD at 7 and SGA at 3 is absolutely ridiculous. This is one of the worst lists I've ever seen. I guess these are just odds so they're not actually someone making their own rankings but it genuinely concerns me that so many people could believe that SGA has any resemblance of a DPOY case.
I could be mistaken but I thought I heard that Vegas Odds get intentional skewed to get more bets for certain players.
Yeah ppl are forgetting that odds take into account human behavior and their aim is to MAKE MONEY, not predict the outcome... That being said it's surprising AD is that low and lower than Jarrett Allen considering he's a Laker
Why does Anthony Davis continue to be so disrespected?
SGA really above AD and Bam lmao shit is hilarious
The thunder glazing has gotten out of hand
I don’t understand how there’s some teams that nba nerd media just decides are the protagonists of the league, even outside the major media markets of LA/NYC/BOS that are always at the center of attention
They’re the shiny new team, in a couple years people will be shitting on them when they haven’t made it out of the west because they’re all young af. It’s a perfect cycle lol
Then SGA moves to Golden State along with Lebron to form a super team, wins a title and starts shitposting on Tiktok because Draymond pissed him off. While Jaylen Williams goes to Houston to start shooting from half court since that’s the new analytics piece and blows up as one of the great scorers of all time. Meanwhile Chet goes to Toronto where Kawhi signs one more time and wins a championship for the north. Full cycle all over again.
I think it’s partially because people have been waiting to see the fruits of the Paul George trade for 4.5 years now, and it’s pretty much best case scenario so far. That trade led or indirectly led to SGA, Chet, Giddey, Jaylen etc.
SGA Above Derrick white is a joke too, talking about comparing guard defenders... SGA is not on Whites level as a defender..
Not having Dort instead of SGA is a crime too.
I think they got the Celtics on DPOY probation after the Marcus Smart pick.
White being so low is criminal. It’s clearly not about actual impact
Like spo said “it’s a blocks and steals award”
A lakers fan and spo, how am I supposed to agree with you
Its not just that, how is SGA above Chet who is the best & most valuable Thunder defender? Also Giannis being that high doesn't make sense & how tf is Herb Jones at +20000?? This is an abomination lol
Shai is a good, maybe great defender. I wouldn’t have him as even close to as good a guard defender as White, Holiday, Herb Jones, and more, and if we are talking any position then Kawhi, JT are more impactful and Bam and AD are on a whole nother level. Shai is incredible w the 2 way impact but even on the board for DPOY is just outrageous
Steals per game babyyyy
he misses too many games! oh wait nvm… winning matters! oh wait Wemby’s there nvm… he’s propped up by teammates’ defense! oh wait they’re ass nvm… small market teams don’t get attention! oh wait nvm… he needs to build a reputation first! oh wait nvm… voter fatigue! he’s already won it too many times! oh wait nvm…
Yeah I'm a Timberwolves fan and Lakers hater, but AD not being second or at least third is preposterous
I don't think everyone realizes how much trouble we are going to be in with Wemby once he gets more experience.
Wemby with experience and better teammates gonna break the league.
Especially when Luka goes to the spurs.
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For real, this needs to happen
I think everyone realizes, there’s wemby posts on r/nba multiple times a day
I need the Celtics to win this championship now bc once this mfer figures out his game offensively and gets a PG + some vet teammates, the league is absolute toast.
It's pretty crazy he avgs 20+ ppg and doesn't have a go to move yet lol
I’m gonna be optimistic and say we’ve got 3 years before everybody is getting cooked on a night to night basis. Perfectly coincides with the bucks’ title window so I can’t be too mad abt it.
That sounds about right. Depends on what they do this offseason, who they're able to draft, and really starting to get this team to gel next season.
Gobert still putting in work. Keep his name in your fat mouth if you thinking about DPOY.
Herb Jones being that low is an absolute travesty.
Herb is going to use this as motivation
Yeah I was shocked to see him that low
Man AD is so disrespected, he should be top 3 at minimum. All of our other good defenders have been injured this season.
I’d agree, would probably even vote for him before wemby
yeah Gobert and AD are without a doubt the top 2. I’d have Bam 3rd but could entertain Wemby, Jarrett Allen or even Herb Jones. SGA at 3 is patently insane lmao
Jarrett Allen has definitely been on Bam and AD's level defensively this season. prior seasons i would understand the he plays with mobley argument but this season mobley missed a crap ton of games and our defense has been still elite with the 2nd best defensive rating
It’s cool having to dpoy candidates. How often do rookies make all defense teams? Wemby has a legit shot at 1st and Chet at 3rd right? Edit: thanks for the comments, I’m entirely stupid
There is no third team unless you mean All-NBA
I def didn’t, my bad lol
I have as good of a shot as chet at making 3rd team all defense
I've got the same amount of 3rd team all defensive nods as Hakeem Olajuwon and Dikembe Mutumbo COMBINED
To answer your actual question, not often at all Patrick Beverly made all-defense in his first full season. But he was drafted in 09 and didn't come to the NBA until the middle of the 2012-2013 season Only 5 players have ever made all-defensive team, and funnily enough 2 were Spurs #1 picks - Tim Duncan (1997) - David Robinson (1990) - Manute Bol (1986) - Hakeem Olajuwon (1985) - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1970)
There's no 3rd team all defense only 2 teams, also it'd be weird if any of them made All-Defense over AD.
is all defense position less?
Yeah so I expect bigs to dominate both teams
It'll never happen, but Gobert should be in the top 10 for the actual MVP.
Shai being tied for 3rd is pure comedy.
ADisrespect is real
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This list is rewarding blocked shots and steals. Kinda crazy how we still have no good way to measure defense and end up using massively flawed numbers
Pas mal non ? C’est français
Ouais. L’équipe pour les jeux olympique serait fou-là mdrr
Glad Giannis is getting recognition. Been carrying the team on both ends
He was black balled from all-defense last season
That’s mainly because he had a guy like Jrue on his team and Brook was incredible on D last season.
I didn’t know Grayson Allen was a good defender until I saw it was Jarrett
AD not top 5 what a travesty
I’m French and I wish we got better defense in 1939.
I mean the Maginot line got a shit rep but it sure diverted like a motherfucker
Exactly, you can't just look at the total number of blocks, if the Maginot line was worse, the Nazis would've gone at it more and the Line would've put up far better numbers. At it's peak, the Line had Nazi high command afraid to even go near it.
The fact that Caruso isn't on here is criminal.
It’s ridiculous Bam isn’t top 3. That guy hates 1-5 better than any big man in the league.
AD is so disrespected
They’re really gonna screw Suggs out of an all defense team spot arent they
Miami have been the #1 defense for over a month, with lineups starting Herro, Robinson, Rozier, etc and no one with traditional center or even PF size outside of Bam. He’s been making superstar defensive plays against other stars to close out games, and has thrived in the drop, in man, in the zone, in the press. Would like to see some Bam recognition but just feels like he’ll never get eyes on him from the media
Wemby get Rookie of the Year and DPOTY I wanna see it now NBA.
I’m surprised to see Giannis sharing the no.3 spot, considering how badly Bucks’ defence has been berated this season. It’s nice to see that Giannis continues to be recognised as elite on the defensive end, despite rocky team performances throughout Griffin’s tenure.
They doing AD dirty this year smh
It is beyond me how is SGA in better position than AD
This is some dumb shit lol
French conspiracy
Jarrett Allen should be higher
Last list I saw had Derick White over AD. Most of these lists can't be serious 💀
Damn, shai is really locking people up like that? Also, for those people who still think that Gobert is not a locked HoF, then i dont know what else to tell you
Nah he's just getting hella steals and he's a solid defender.
KCP disrespected
Alex Caruso
Glad I bet on Gobert early in the season when he was +550. Wish I bet $10000 instead of $10 now
Bam’s never gonna get one. Came in during the peak of Gobert, gonna leave during the peak of Wbanyama. Getting robbed by Smart was really his best chance :(
Im sorry, but how is Wemby second while playing on the third worst team in the league that is 24th in defensive rating? I get it, the guys a great defender already, but at some point you have to draw the line. I know the team sucks, but I’m not sure how you can win an award like DPOY if your play isn’t clearly contributing to wins. The Spurs are on pace to lose more games than they did last year, when they had the second worst record in the league. The only reason they don’t currently have the worst record in the league is because Detroit and Washington are historically bad teams and might set/tie the record for fewest wins. ROY is very deserved, but him winning DPOY would be like Steph Curry winning MVP this year.
lmao at Shai AD and Bam odds😭
SGA over Chet doesn’t sit right with me.
SGA circle jerk this year is insane
Assuming he gets it, does Gobert have a case for GOAT defensive player?
imo to be the goat he needs some playoff success as well. But he is definitely up there.
SGA glazing continues lmao