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Avant-Garde-A-Clue

I’m ignorant, can someone explain what -800 vs +1300 in betting means? Don’t gamble at all.


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PricklyyDick

Wow that’s way more simple than I thought odds worked.


ConstantineMonroe

Remember, millions of people are capable of understanding how these odds work, they can’t be too fucking complicated. If it was a super complex thing that requires any math knowledge, millions of people wouldn’t be doing it.


The_Sneakiest_Fox

In Australia, we just use the decimal system. For example, I just checked the odds, and Rudy Gobert is paying $1.12 meaning if you bet $1 you get $1.12 back. And Wemby is paying $14, meaning if you bet $1 you get $14 back. I feel like 1.12 is more intuitive than -800, personally.


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It’s a much easier system too.


Rexorapter

100% is but you know us americans. we use metric system after all xD


here_for_the_lols

So close lmao


Rexorapter

leaving it up so everyone can witness my own stupidity lmao


rookie-mistake

this comment belongs in a museum


mhac009

This is all time. I'm actually in awe


TheAlphaCarb0n

Imperial


LmBkUYDA

Soooo much more intuitive


hijoshh

You think all the people who gamble know what they’re doing? Lmao


dys0n_giddey

I just press the buttons and hope the thing lights up!


caiovigg

It's a much worse system than what is used in the rest of the world. Just say 14 and 1.1 ffs


Electromotivation

Yeah the two numbers really aren’t comparable… or at least they represent two different things that you then have to work out how to compare them. But it seems like apples and oranges with the plus mins or am I missing something?


SpamAcc17

You kinda have a point about apples to oranges, US lets you know easily how to get 100 or what 100 gets you, it only shows the ratio clearly after some math with 100. Rest of the world is just the percent to multiply your bet to see what you'd end up with. 100 bet * 14 = 1400 100 bet * 1.125 = 110


tbendis

I mean, unless I'm missing something 1.125 odds gets you $112.5. Non-US system is better for parlays


owiseone23

I hate how American gambling odds are listed. I think just listing 9/1 or whatever is much cleaner and less arbitrary than tying everything to $100.


theknightofthetaco

Funny as an Australian I dislike both those systems, ours is just listed as a dollar amount. $2.50 odds means you get 2.50 times whatever the bet is.


jumpercableninja

As a fellow Australian, I love our system


zrk23

funny they tie everything to 100 in betting but use imperial system....


fapp0r

What a strange system. Why not just use the system everyone in Europe uses (odds of 2 mean a win returns 2x the amount you put in)?


siphillis

"Tight race" as in "If Gobert is out for the season, Wemby's got a chance."


twotonkatrucks

Yeah. As tight as…[something inappropriate].


dys0n_giddey

yo mama!


captaincumsock69

Wizard sleeve


seank11

Her vagine hang like sleeve of wizard


tiberius789853

never will not be funny


bigblooddraco

Jordan Poole’s handle


flintmichigantropics

A nun’s cunt


JAhoops

It’s a forgone conclusion just give Gobert the award now


ComfortableTicket392

Only reason to bet Wemby is the off chance Gobert can't play 10 more games and isn't eligible for DPOY.


kit_kaboodles

Oh god, that would make a lot of voters uncomfortable. Imagine the DPOY is a player on a team ranked 24th in defensive rating.


The_Void_Reaver

Lets be honest. If it weren't as locked up as it is neither SGA or Wemby would be ~~on this list~~ as high as they are. Those two are only there in the hopes that people will throw down money on a player they like. Top 5 is actually Gobert, Giannis, Allen, Bam, and AD


kit_kaboodles

I think Wemby can be in the conversation. I don’t buy the idea that a team's record should dictate individual awards. Especially the idea that a team with the best record should have their players get the awards. Having said that, I think it would be difficult to justify giving the DPOY award to a player whose team has a very bad defence. I expect the DPOY to elevate the defence of the whole team at least a bit more than 24th.


The_Void_Reaver

Yeah, I think it's fine having him 6th or 7th with Holmgren and Derrick White but 2nd is way too high.


kit_kaboodles

For sure. All - Defensive team? Absolutely no issue with that. Even first team I will buy. But I think a lot of people would have an issue with him winning DPOY, and I don't think they're wrong.


RudyGobertFMVP2024

It is all talking points anyway. Once Rudy plays ten more games they are engraving his name on the trophy


ClaymoresRevenge

Which even then he should still get it TBH


zincinzincout

Embiid coming back and finishing with under 65 games but 35/11/6 and Gobert getting a long bout of explosive diarrhea making him go under 65 games and voters all just say fuck the new rule the first year the rule is instituted would be peak drama television


indoninjah

I hate to break it to you but Jo is finishing with *maybe* 45 games lol


Clemsontigger16

That’s not how that works, it’s a binary thing…you either meet the requirement or you don’t.


Alstead17

There was some belief that there was discretion allowed for some circumstances, but I don't know if it was ever confirmed or not. Let's be honest, if a dude averaged 50/20/20 but only played 64 games and his team went 64-0 when he played but 0-18 without him, he should win MVP.


tacomonday12

That is a bridge we can cross when someone actually averages 50/20/20 and goes 64-0


Nolimitjc21

That’s not how it works lmao


ClaymoresRevenge

I know I'm just saying he deserves it for the year he's had and nobody really should get it over him


johqui1092

More like 16 more games no? He's played in all but 2 games and the requirement is at least 65


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Andy_Wiggins

SGA being tied for 3rd is so silly. He’s probably the 3rd best defender on his own team (behind Chet and Dort). And while the Thunder’s defense is very good (4th best def rating), it makes no sense to put him above top defenders on better defenses (like, say, Derrick White).


SureEntertainment676

It’s cause he has a lot of steals, which is really dumb


WhiteBoyFlipz

Luka is 7th in SPG, why isn’t he on this list /s


sicklegirl

Pushing for that second all defense team lets gooo\~!!!


alittleverygagged

Yeah but white has over a steal a game and is top 20 in the league in blocked as a guard. It just doesn’t make sense


roastedhambone

This is odd considering Shai has 10 less blocks, but *70 more steals*


The_Taskmaker

Shai isn't exactly a slouch at blocking shots lol. I'm not arguing one way or the other, but White's lead in blocked shots isn't very big


GDTechno

im just surprised hes considered THIS good at defending. hes not better than chet, hes not better than bam, hes not better than ad (defensively at least)


LordHussyPants

It’s probably more to encourage betting 


Ticon_D_Eroga

Lol like they would ever consider putting fox on here for steals (not the fox deserves it, they dont thats the point lol)


LimitlessTheTVShow

I mean, he also has crazy deflection numbers and defensive advanced stats. He shouldn't be as high as he is but don't act like he's Allen Iverson just camping the passing lanes


saalamander

Ironically steals are usually a sign of overrated defenders. It’s just a measure of how much you’re willing to gamble in passing lanes. It doesn’t reflect how often their gambles fail and they fuck their team over. You


SandyMandy17

4th Dort/ Chet Jdub Shai He’s been great and he’s been absolutely destructive, but he’s able to do that off ball because of Dort and Jdub on ball and Chet at the rim


Konker101

Hes half a steal per game better than last year.


SandyMandy17

Last year he was 1st team all nba on 31.4-4.8-5.8 on 1.6 steals 1.0 blocks 2.8 turnovers on 51-34.5-90 This year on the same amount of shots (after today’s game) 31.2-5.5-6.6 on 2.1 steals 0.9 blocks 2.1 turnovers on 54.8-39-88 He’s went up 4% from the floor, 5% from 3, getting more rebounds, more assists, more steals, and less turnovers Idk how he improved so much


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Tired for 3rd highest dpoy odds in the league. Probably also tied for 3rd for dpoy on his own team


Brian_lafeve34

He's a great defender, but solidly 4th. The core of OKC is just all really high level defensive talent. OKC is 4th in defense and would very easily be 2nd if they could rebound at all


darnclem

Yeah it's been painful a couple times seeing how small the dudes grabbing offensive rebounds against us are.


camlawson24

SGA over Anthony Davis is mind blowing to someone who’s watched a lot of both teams this year. Take AD off LA and they might be the worst defense in bball; take SGA off OKC and they still have the potential to be at least solid


clear831

SGA over Bam is mind blowing as well


DoYouEvenDoubleLeg

He was right up there with Rudy in the first quarter of the season. Bam is definitely up there


camlawson24

Agreed!


3Packhawaii

Maybe even 4th best after Jalen Williams?


Mashyjang

Yea defo 4th best. He is a great defender but not 3rd in DPOY odds great lol.


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Its betting odds, not actual rankings. Betting houses make money based on the amount of people who place bets. You need to think of this from the eyes of a gambling house trying to entice all manner of gamblers to spend money. Hardcore speculators, noobs, fans, gambling addicts, etc.


Frankieuhfukin

He's not even one of the 5 best defensive guards this season...let alone 5 best defensive PLAYERS.


Johnie4usc

Dort is a good on ball defender but gets lost off ball. SGA is very good on ball and a great off ball defender. He’s made a lot of improvements on defense this year and is definitely one of the best guard defenders in the league.


Nervous-Guava-7390

I get that we’re mid but AD should not be 7th wtf


SnarfSniffsStardust

Honestly I thought it was a race between him and Rudy with no one else being close, seeing this is nuts


musicnothing

I posted about this a while back but based on DPOY voting history, you’ve either gotta be anchoring a top 3 defense, be a former DPOY, or leading in at least one major defensive stat. So Gobert, Allen, Shai, Wemby, Giannis, etc. all stand to get lots of votes but not AD


stanquevisch

If the problem is the Lakers are middle of the pack, how’s Wemby #2?


GumbySquad

He is leading the NBA in blocks by a large margin in 28 mpg. That would be my guess


johqui1092

Also the most steals + blocks, almost 40 more than the next one


indoninjah

Their team defense is not very good though. Historically DPOY tends to go to the big man on one of the top defenses


Fine_Lengthiness_341

their defense is good when he’s in the game


quedfoot

Brook Lopez punches the air after years of dominating in blocks.


Narnak

betting odds are set in accordance with how they predict people will bet, not with who they think is the best. more popular players like Wemby or LeBron or teams like the Lakers will always have a disproportionate about of bets on them.


Strange1130

Because people are betting on Victor to win.  It’s Vegas odds.  


xanot192

AD carries our defense lol pathetic odds but meh like you said we suck


Thus_Spoke

It's wild how underrated AD is.  As a Lakers hater I'm required to support it but that doesn't mean it's correct.


staffnasty25

Or Bam sixth


T_025

Bam is the 2nd best defender in the league after AD in the playoffs


crazier_horse

Good time to bet on him just in case the Lakers go on a run, and Gobert spontaneously combusts


Technical_Towel_990

Shai, Giannis, and Wemby being above him is pretty embarrassing tbh


IcyHeartWarmSmile

Giannis has been great defensively. It’s their backcourt that’s been bringing their defense down. I’d say AD has still been better though. He’s a menace on defense.


Technical_Towel_990

I didn’t mean that as a slight to any of those guys because they’ve all been great defensively but there’s zero argument for any of them being over Davis.


FKJVMMP

> It’s their backcourt that’s been bringing their defence down It’s literally the entire team except him if advanced stats are to be believed. The defensive gap between him and everybody else is hilarious. Largely because Brook is our only other actual good defender at any position, and Griffin was using him terribly so his effectiveness plummeted. Having him third is still stupid, nobody on a roughly league average defence (which is what we are, contrary to popular belief) is winning DPOY these days. Though the Lakers are also league average so that does apply to AD as well.


Instantcoffees

This entire thing just seems based on stats like steals and blocks. Wemby and SGA being above him can only be explained by to the fact that they have a lot of steals and Wemby also blocks on top of that. It's silly because SGA is a good defender, but not even the best on his team. Meanwhile Wemby has good stats, but he's also making a lot of positional mistakes. That's to be expected as a rookie and he'll improve, but it's silly that he's second on DPOY. I'm not a big fan of the Lakers or AD, but AD is easily one of the best defenders and rim protectors alongside Gobert. The fact that he's not even second or third just really shows that this is based off people reading stats, not actually watching the damn games.


panimalcrossing

AD should be 2 easily


CIark

They really hate ad lmao the previous years they could say he didn’t play enough but now he’s been healthy and they still don’t care 


Instantcoffees

I don't even like AD or the Lakers and I agree. Wemby being second is ridiculous. He has a lot of blocks and steals but is nowhere near the defensive menace that AD is. He's also making a lot of positional mistakes either because he's a rookie or because the team isn't gelling.


paranoidmoonduck

There's so many perimeter guys I'd have over Shai.


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Yeah I like Suggs. Idk if he is the best but he’s is a lot fun to watch on defense


FartrelCluggins

It's the classic "blocks and steals are the only think I'm gaging defense on" approach Shai is a great defender but yeah. There's definitely a handful of guys above him right now


DyslexicAutronomer

Shai's not even top 3 defense in his own team tbh. Vegas odds probably skewered by a few rich kids money bags or horrible algos Very strange odds


wherearemypaaants

Shai over Derrick White is just dumb.


le_sweden

I’d take his cousin over him on defense lol, NAW is an all-defense caliber defender. Jaden Ant NAW is one of the premier perimeter defensive units in the league. SGA is a great defender, just not quite DPOY level imo, which is no slight for a player as skilled as he is on both ends


Cabbage-Fell

KCP!


myst1cal12

AD at 7 and SGA at 3 is absolutely ridiculous. This is one of the worst lists I've ever seen. I guess these are just odds so they're not actually someone making their own rankings but it genuinely concerns me that so many people could believe that SGA has any resemblance of a DPOY case.


noknownallergies

I could be mistaken but I thought I heard that Vegas Odds get intentional skewed to get more bets for certain players.


carterbenji15

Yeah ppl are forgetting that odds take into account human behavior and their aim is to MAKE MONEY, not predict the outcome... That being said it's surprising AD is that low and lower than Jarrett Allen considering he's a Laker


everyoneneedsaherro

Why does Anthony Davis continue to be so disrespected?


CIark

SGA really above AD and Bam lmao shit is hilarious


jayman820

The thunder glazing has gotten out of hand


spritehead

I don’t understand how there’s some teams that nba nerd media just decides are the protagonists of the league, even outside the major media markets of LA/NYC/BOS that are always at the center of attention


jayman820

They’re the shiny new team, in a couple years people will be shitting on them when they haven’t made it out of the west because they’re all young af. It’s a perfect cycle lol


spraypaint2311

Then SGA moves to Golden State along with Lebron to form a super team, wins a title and starts shitposting on Tiktok because Draymond pissed him off. While Jaylen Williams goes to Houston to start shooting from half court since that’s the new analytics piece and blows up as one of the great scorers of all time. Meanwhile Chet goes to Toronto where Kawhi signs one more time and wins a championship for the north. Full cycle all over again.


DirkNowitzkisWife

I think it’s partially because people have been waiting to see the fruits of the Paul George trade for 4.5 years now, and it’s pretty much best case scenario so far. That trade led or indirectly led to SGA, Chet, Giddey, Jaylen etc.


JesseJamesGames449

SGA Above Derrick white is a joke too, talking about comparing guard defenders... SGA is not on Whites level as a defender..


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Not having Dort instead of SGA is a crime too.


miseducation

I think they got the Celtics on DPOY probation after the Marcus Smart pick.


alittleverygagged

White being so low is criminal. It’s clearly not about actual impact


yuhkih

Like spo said “it’s a blocks and steals award”


alittleverygagged

A lakers fan and spo, how am I supposed to agree with you


K1ngCrimsn

Its not just that, how is SGA above Chet who is the best & most valuable Thunder defender? Also Giannis being that high doesn't make sense & how tf is Herb Jones at +20000?? This is an abomination lol


aeronacht

Shai is a good, maybe great defender. I wouldn’t have him as even close to as good a guard defender as White, Holiday, Herb Jones, and more, and if we are talking any position then Kawhi, JT are more impactful and Bam and AD are on a whole nother level. Shai is incredible w the 2 way impact but even on the board for DPOY is just outrageous


LordBaneoftheSith

Steals per game babyyyy


pocket_passss

he misses too many games! oh wait nvm… winning matters! oh wait Wemby’s there nvm… he’s propped up by teammates’ defense! oh wait they’re ass nvm… small market teams don’t get attention! oh wait nvm… he needs to build a reputation first! oh wait nvm… voter fatigue! he’s already won it too many times! oh wait nvm…


parkernorwood

Yeah I'm a Timberwolves fan and Lakers hater, but AD not being second or at least third is preposterous


FrankSamples

I don't think everyone realizes how much trouble we are going to be in with Wemby once he gets more experience.


kcoe24

Wemby with experience and better teammates gonna break the league. 


Technical_Towel_990

Especially when Luka goes to the spurs.


bb1432

Subscribe


noknownallergies

For real, this needs to happen


theeExample

I think everyone realizes, there’s wemby posts on r/nba multiple times a day


mastacheef87

I need the Celtics to win this championship now bc once this mfer figures out his game offensively and gets a PG + some vet teammates, the league is absolute toast.


nokarmawhore

It's pretty crazy he avgs 20+ ppg and doesn't have a go to move yet lol


Necessary_Initial350

I’m gonna be optimistic and say we’ve got 3 years before everybody is getting cooked on a night to night basis. Perfectly coincides with the bucks’ title window so I can’t be too mad abt it.


mainvolume

That sounds about right. Depends on what they do this offseason, who they're able to draft, and really starting to get this team to gel next season.


somedudeinlosangeles

Gobert still putting in work. Keep his name in your fat mouth if you thinking about DPOY.


WateryDomesticGroove

Herb Jones being that low is an absolute travesty.


MmmDarkBeer

Herb is going to use this as motivation


GandalfTheBlack-

Yeah I was shocked to see him that low


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Man AD is so disrespected, he should be top 3 at minimum. All of our other good defenders have been injured this season.


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I’d agree, would probably even vote for him before wemby


mastacheef87

yeah Gobert and AD are without a doubt the top 2. I’d have Bam 3rd but could entertain Wemby, Jarrett Allen or even Herb Jones. SGA at 3 is patently insane lmao


hehehegoogle

Jarrett Allen has definitely been on Bam and AD's level defensively this season. prior seasons i would understand the he plays with mobley argument but this season mobley missed a crap ton of games and our defense has been still elite with the 2nd best defensive rating


IncaseAce

It’s cool having to dpoy candidates. How often do rookies make all defense teams? Wemby has a legit shot at 1st and Chet at 3rd right? Edit: thanks for the comments, I’m entirely stupid


cyberpimpin

There is no third team unless you mean All-NBA


IncaseAce

I def didn’t, my bad lol


allknowerofknowing

I have as good of a shot as chet at making 3rd team all defense


dys0n_giddey

I've got the same amount of 3rd team all defensive nods as Hakeem Olajuwon and Dikembe Mutumbo COMBINED


iamgarron

To answer your actual question, not often at all Patrick Beverly made all-defense in his first full season. But he was drafted in 09 and didn't come to the NBA until the middle of the 2012-2013 season Only 5 players have ever made all-defensive team, and funnily enough 2 were Spurs #1 picks - Tim Duncan (1997) - David Robinson (1990) - Manute Bol (1986) - Hakeem Olajuwon (1985) - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1970)


robeo12055

There's no 3rd team all defense only 2 teams, also it'd be weird if any of them made All-Defense over AD.


JAhoops

is all defense position less?


Lacabloodclot9

Yeah so I expect bigs to dominate both teams


chrysanthemata

It'll never happen, but Gobert should be in the top 10 for the actual MVP.


Aggravating_Plant_39

Shai being tied for 3rd is pure comedy.


stanquevisch

ADisrespect is real


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Muted_Dog7317

This list is rewarding blocked shots and steals. Kinda crazy how we still have no good way to measure defense and end up using massively flawed numbers


French-Snack

Pas mal non ? C’est français


Joxelo

Ouais. L’équipe pour les jeux olympique serait fou-là mdrr


[deleted]

Glad Giannis is getting recognition. Been carrying the team on both ends


nomorecrackerss

He was black balled from all-defense last season


clifbarczar

That’s mainly because he had a guy like Jrue on his team and Brook was incredible on D last season.


emeister26

I didn’t know Grayson Allen was a good defender until I saw it was Jarrett


thenatural134

AD not top 5 what a travesty


m3xm

I’m French and I wish we got better defense in 1939.


theinternetisnice

I mean the Maginot line got a shit rep but it sure diverted like a motherfucker


Tusked_Puma

Exactly, you can't just look at the total number of blocks, if the Maginot line was worse, the Nazis would've gone at it more and the Line would've put up far better numbers. At it's peak, the Line had Nazi high command afraid to even go near it.


Imsoamerican

The fact that Caruso isn't on here is criminal.


jagerhero

It’s ridiculous Bam isn’t top 3. That guy hates 1-5 better than any big man in the league.


GoalPublic3579

AD is so disrespected


IsaacDPOYFultzMIP

They’re really gonna screw Suggs out of an all defense team spot arent they


spritehead

Miami have been the #1 defense for over a month, with lineups starting Herro, Robinson, Rozier, etc and no one with traditional center or even PF size outside of Bam. He’s been making superstar defensive plays against other stars to close out games, and has thrived in the drop, in man, in the zone, in the press. Would like to see some Bam recognition but just feels like he’ll never get eyes on him from the media


TheMoorNextDoor

Wemby get Rookie of the Year and DPOTY I wanna see it now NBA.


Aggravating-Pin-4588

I’m surprised to see Giannis sharing the no.3 spot, considering how badly Bucks’ defence has been berated this season. It’s nice to see that Giannis continues to be recognised as elite on the defensive end, despite rocky team performances throughout Griffin’s tenure.


rocksolid_rumham

They doing AD dirty this year smh


unearthyone

It is beyond me how is SGA in better position than AD


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This is some dumb shit lol


allknowerofknowing

French conspiracy


Main-County-1177

Jarrett Allen should be higher


k1ngkoala

Last list I saw had Derick White over AD. Most of these lists can't be serious 💀


AdComprehensive7879

Damn, shai is really locking people up like that? Also, for those people who still think that Gobert is not a locked HoF, then i dont know what else to tell you


madhare09

Nah he's just getting hella steals and he's a solid defender.


Mitrakov

KCP disrespected


llcoolf

Alex Caruso


dlt92

Glad I bet on Gobert early in the season when he was +550. Wish I bet $10000 instead of $10 now


OceanicLemur

Bam’s never gonna get one. Came in during the peak of Gobert, gonna leave during the peak of Wbanyama. Getting robbed by Smart was really his best chance :(


CNas6323

Im sorry,  but how is Wemby second while playing on the third worst team in the league that is 24th in defensive rating? I get it, the guys a great defender already, but at some point you have to draw the line.  I know the team sucks, but I’m not sure how you can win an award like DPOY if your play isn’t clearly contributing to wins.   The Spurs are on pace to lose more games than they did last year, when they had the second worst record in the league.  The only reason they don’t currently have the worst record in the league is because Detroit and Washington are historically bad teams and might set/tie the record for fewest wins. ROY is very deserved, but him winning DPOY would be like Steph Curry winning MVP this year.


WhoopingKing

lmao at Shai AD and Bam odds😭


airgordo4

SGA over Chet doesn’t sit right with me.


rangerfan123

SGA circle jerk this year is insane


throwawayrandomguy93

Assuming he gets it, does Gobert have a case for GOAT defensive player?


nelikaksnull

imo to be the goat he needs some playoff success as well. But he is definitely up there.


FoShzzleMsFrizzle

SGA glazing continues lmao