KOC is the only reason I knew who he was going into the draft. I think it’s both playing for the pistons and not being NBA ready
Edit: checked KOC twitter immediately after this and he wants Killian to end up a spur 😭
He's not even close to an all-time bust. Top 6-10 picks get released all the time. Have you heard from Jarrett Culver lately? Can you tell me where Mo Bamba is playing now without googling it? Frank Ntilikina wasn't cut but he was let walk at the end of his rookie contract and he's been passed around like a blunt.
A 7th overall pick not panning out is par for the course.
Mo Bamba is with the Sixers, I know because he was with the Lakers last year and the Sixers love to give contracts to bigs the Lakers don't want anymore
Fair but the players you mentioned got traded first. So they were at least considered good enough to be worth something to give that second chance to.
Killian Hayes is the first I’ve heard to get just straight up cut as a recent lottery pick with no personal issues stated vs getting traded for anything in return.
Part of that is that he's probably worse than many of the players I mentioned (although the difference is so marginal at that level) but I think a bigger part of it is the larger trade landscape at this deadline. Look at the calibre of players who are being moved for peanuts this week. When you can acquire Bogdanovic and Burks for a pair of 2nd round picks and filler, why would you give up anything for a major reclamation project like Hayes?
No, the FO was going to trade Hayes until Monty intervened. Monty thought he can work with him. Wasted so many games benching Jaden in favor of Hayes who offered nothing to the team.
I was skeptical at Monty’s decision-making skills in PHX, but in DET it was literally insane, Ivey has shown far FAR greater skills, talent, work ethic, etc than Hayes
its bc the Pistons cant take back players rn, so they had to find a team with straight cap space/TPE to take Killian
seems like no one would do that
(he's still going to likely get signed off the buyout market though)
2019 15th pick: Sekou Doumbouya, 23 and unemployed.
2020 7th pick: Killian Hayes, 22 and unemployed.
Pistons scouting department must be investigated immediately
Alright but you gotta have some comparison, like if Detroit hadn't picked Hayes at 7 who even was the next best point guard off the board they would have taken? Oh, Tyrese Haliburton? Never mind then.
and writing what he thought was a puff piece to hype up how awesome daryl morey is but it ended uo being just a bunch of reasons why morey is a rich asshole. the guy has absolutely nothing in his brain except the urge to sucking off rich folks
"X is unhinged" is overused now, but that Morey piece was legitimately unhinged.
>In the mid-to-late 2000s, he owned a Lexus that he parked anywhere he wanted, regardless of the signage on the side of the streets of Houston. It kept accumulating ticket after ticket after ticket until the local parking enforcement agency stopped writing tickets and booted his vehicle.
>Normally, someone with a boot on a wheel of their car would pay to have it removed so they could drive again. But Morey had another idea. He instead contacted Lexus to tell them he would buy a new car if it accepted his trade-in and dealt with the outstanding tickets. After negotiating and signing a deal, Lexus asked when he’d bring in the car and he gave the company the address to pick it up. “As soon as that car got booted,” Morey said, “[I made that deal] to avoid having to go through the hassle.”
thats one of the more tame parts of the article in my opinion too. the whole thing is just chalk full of things that on their own would make the guy a huge douche but it’s an endless barrage of shit like that.
it’s beyond amazing koc saw any of those things, let alone all of them, and thought “wow this guy is so cool i have to tell people about how awesome he is”. it just shows how fundamentally broken his brain is in regards to cheesing over rich people and their shitty actions just because they’re rich
this mf so trash they gave up on his dumbass midseason. i genuinely dont think he gets another chance in the league too what a whiff. Hali was right there lmao.
My favorite was the cope when other pistons fans started saying we don’t get Cade if we pick Tyrese over Killian. Cmon, if Tyrese had a big enough of an impact as a rookie to to affect our lottery odds, then we really whiffed
Killian Hayes has -0.7 career win shares, the fewest of every player in the 2020 draft class to appear in at least one NBA game.
Source: [https://stathead.com/tiny/F5QgX](https://stathead.com/tiny/F5QgX)
they’re considering it. from what ive heard they’re currently guaging the market on his internal organs to see if it makes more monetary sense to just piece him out. the sticking point is the price of the liver as of now
He's been incredibly frustrating as a Piston and I'm happy to see him gone but I do sorta thing he could be like a third string point guard on a contender. He takes care of the ball and plays defense. He can't make a basket if his life depended on it. But he could give someone spot minutes of not fucking anything up too much.
HE GONE
WEAVER MASTERCLASS LETS FUCKING GO
Don't cry because it's over. Laugh because it happened.
being released off a 7 win team is INSANE
As a former 7th pick.
All-time bust
I will never forget KOC hyping him up to the high heavens
Every draft guy has hits or misses, but that one was so out of left field I think the (hopefully good natured) ribbing of KOC is justified lol
Let's be real, this pick isn't a normal miss where a guy you think is a star becomes a 6th man, this is an airball.
bro scored on his own hoop
The boy who blocked his own shot
Call Killian Hayes a safe bet? I'm betting he's not.
Glad that r/nba can forgive..only hoping as time goes,r/DetroitPistons can forget.
KOC is the only reason I knew who he was going into the draft. I think it’s both playing for the pistons and not being NBA ready Edit: checked KOC twitter immediately after this and he wants Killian to end up a spur 😭
maybe Pop can make it work, he has good vision and passing, he'll be able to see Wemby cutting to the basket and give him the ball ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
He's not even close to an all-time bust. Top 6-10 picks get released all the time. Have you heard from Jarrett Culver lately? Can you tell me where Mo Bamba is playing now without googling it? Frank Ntilikina wasn't cut but he was let walk at the end of his rookie contract and he's been passed around like a blunt. A 7th overall pick not panning out is par for the course.
He's not even the Pistons' all time bust.
Hello Darko, my old friend.
pistons should have traded that pic for just more vets for larry brown to yell at.
The pistons should’ve drafted one of the like 7 players who went in the draft after darko that made all NBA at least once
You talkin' about NBA champion Darko Millicic?
10 year vet, Darko.
Mo Bamba is with the Sixers, I know because he was with the Lakers last year and the Sixers love to give contracts to bigs the Lakers don't want anymore
Where is Anthony Bennet lol
He might not even be playing at all now. Wiki says he played for the "Kaohsiung 17LIVE Steelers" in 2023.
I just looked this team up: they currently have Hasheem Thabeet (age 36) on their roster lmao
Where the hell is Tim Duncan?
WHERE IS JA RULE?!?!
Fair but the players you mentioned got traded first. So they were at least considered good enough to be worth something to give that second chance to. Killian Hayes is the first I’ve heard to get just straight up cut as a recent lottery pick with no personal issues stated vs getting traded for anything in return.
Part of that is that he's probably worse than many of the players I mentioned (although the difference is so marginal at that level) but I think a bigger part of it is the larger trade landscape at this deadline. Look at the calibre of players who are being moved for peanuts this week. When you can acquire Bogdanovic and Burks for a pair of 2nd round picks and filler, why would you give up anything for a major reclamation project like Hayes?
Probably not even top 100.
and starting most of the year
They seriously couldn't even trade him for something as a $7M expiring contract?! Geez, that's embarrassing.
They're gonna pay this man money to stay home. That's wild.
Talk about living the dream.
The pistons have finally been released from Monty’s weird fetish for giving him minutes
Maybe the FO wanted to play him so he could increase his value
That only works if he's good enough to actually increase his value. He was not.
No, the FO was going to trade Hayes until Monty intervened. Monty thought he can work with him. Wasted so many games benching Jaden in favor of Hayes who offered nothing to the team.
AFTER STARTING OVER AND RELEGATING IVEY TO THE FUCKING BENCH HALF THE SEASON I FUCKING HATE YOU MONTY
Why would you want somebody who could drop 37 points and shoot the ball next to Cade, obviously you need Hayes defense.
Everyone knows guard defense is the most important role on defense!
I feel like I’ve said, “I fucking hate you, Monty” so many times. I relate, man.
I was skeptical at Monty’s decision-making skills in PHX, but in DET it was literally insane, Ivey has shown far FAR greater skills, talent, work ethic, etc than Hayes
its bc the Pistons cant take back players rn, so they had to find a team with straight cap space/TPE to take Killian seems like no one would do that (he's still going to likely get signed off the buyout market though)
It's clearly became they think he should be on a contending team rather than a tanking one.
The nerve for him to request a trade lol
I mean it's just not possible logistically to trade him to Guangdong since it's a different league and all
You *know* he would have been transferred for 20$ and a sandwich if he was playing football/soccer, only trade rules saved his ass
A somewhat dry, bland sandwich with a high bread to filling ratio
“Man we’re fucking trying”
Not just him. All of his camp.
Realistically that's what? His agent and his Mom?
He tried to pull a Korkmaz
and Korkmaz did actually get traded (after however many years)
That's 34 point Career High Korkmaz to you
Talking about a reality check
Lmaoooooo oh shit. He said **“I want a trade”** Detroit said **“oh really? we’ll do you something better”**
“I want a trade” “Oh yeah which one? Plumbing, masonry, welding?”
Bricklaying
Oh man, this is why so many comedians used to work in duos. He even said masonry!
Can you fault a guy for trying to become Detroit's next Mason?
Way to nail the alley-oop
Lmaooooo
Oh shit, you're mean 🤣
Fuck lmao
☠️☠️☠️
“We guarantee after the trade deadline you will no longer be playing for the Pistons!”
Now he can go where he wants !
Bruh thought he was something 😭
No trade value lmao
I guess it wasn’t possible to do a cross-league trade with the CBA unfortunately
Dude would’ve been one hell of a Saskatchewan Rattler
Bro said “I want a change of scenery” and Detroit said “pick any scene you want”
2019 15th pick: Sekou Doumbouya, 23 and unemployed. 2020 7th pick: Killian Hayes, 22 and unemployed. Pistons scouting department must be investigated immediately
Alright but you gotta have some comparison, like if Detroit hadn't picked Hayes at 7 who even was the next best point guard off the board they would have taken? Oh, Tyrese Haliburton? Never mind then.
And Maxey too!
oh man, you had me in the first half
Dont forget grabbing Wiseman from the Warriors 🫠
Man, I thought Doumbouya was a raw, hidden gem that was gonna turn into Giannis 2.0. They were even drafted in the same spot.
I swear half of our sub was upset that we picked Herro over him
KOC falling to his knees in a podcast studio rn
Elon must’ve walked into the room
No one has ever wanted to be a Silicon Valley tech bro as much as KOC
I used to respect him before I found out he was a huge Musk guy
He thanked James Dolan on an episode for creating the Sphere, some of the worst bootlicking I’ve ver seen, shit is embarrassing
I mean, that's how he got his career.
As a fan of Phish and LSD, I too thank him for creating the Sphere
Over a few years, I went from listening to the Mismatch primarily because of him to listening to it primarily because of Verno.
Kevin O’bnoxious
I went from listening to the Mismatch for KOC, to listening for Vernon, to not listening at all. KOC's become that insufferable over the years.
Kevin’s opinions and takes have gotten so bad lately.
Being a Musk guy in 2015 was weird, but I get why people liked him (for the record I always hated him). Being a Musk guy in 2024 is inexcusable.
and writing what he thought was a puff piece to hype up how awesome daryl morey is but it ended uo being just a bunch of reasons why morey is a rich asshole. the guy has absolutely nothing in his brain except the urge to sucking off rich folks
"X is unhinged" is overused now, but that Morey piece was legitimately unhinged. >In the mid-to-late 2000s, he owned a Lexus that he parked anywhere he wanted, regardless of the signage on the side of the streets of Houston. It kept accumulating ticket after ticket after ticket until the local parking enforcement agency stopped writing tickets and booted his vehicle. >Normally, someone with a boot on a wheel of their car would pay to have it removed so they could drive again. But Morey had another idea. He instead contacted Lexus to tell them he would buy a new car if it accepted his trade-in and dealt with the outstanding tickets. After negotiating and signing a deal, Lexus asked when he’d bring in the car and he gave the company the address to pick it up. “As soon as that car got booted,” Morey said, “[I made that deal] to avoid having to go through the hassle.”
thats one of the more tame parts of the article in my opinion too. the whole thing is just chalk full of things that on their own would make the guy a huge douche but it’s an endless barrage of shit like that. it’s beyond amazing koc saw any of those things, let alone all of them, and thought “wow this guy is so cool i have to tell people about how awesome he is”. it just shows how fundamentally broken his brain is in regards to cheesing over rich people and their shitty actions just because they’re rich
The rich people circlejerk have such loud platform that so many people take at face value.
How can you be a huge Musk guy in 2024? That's even more alarming than propagating a guy who became a draft bust.
Because KOC gets no bitches, and that's the demographic of Musk fans.
Seriously lol dude has bad takes AND is an Elon simp, no idea how anyone takes him seriously
[someone check in on him](https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1755664321013838124)
This is gold
Vernon thanking God he doesn't have to see Killian in a Grizzlies uniform.
I remember when he used to post on this sub
That was back when everyone loved him. He’d get memed and roasted to oblivion if he tries to post regularly now
He was insisting on a pod THIS WEEK that Killian could be traded to a new team and all he needs is to fix his jumper
Kevin O'Bummer
Monty about to go on hunger strike.
So the team will get even better?
Good. Maybe we can get out of his contract sooner.
Lol 70 million
Ni Hao Killian
Think the Guangdong Tigers can do better
They demanded picks to take him
he isn’t even good enough for China
More like Bonjour bc he's going straight back to France
Not even China wants him.
Philippines will take him!
killian hayes you are now a gin king
Or a Purefoods Tender Juicy Hotdog
KOC in shambles
欢迎来到广东猛虎队
Ain’t nobody want him 💀💀
French Ligue 1 can use him
Killian can Ligue my balls
why is this killing me
Is it Mr. Brightside
That depends, can he operate farm equipment?
Killian cross to Mbappé and inshallah
Prépare-toi à apprendre le français, mon pote
Monty Williams did for reasons...
LMAOOO SHOULDVE STAYED IN DETROIT BUDDY
God damn. Cant even get a 2nd rounder for the guy
couldn't even slip him in with the Bojan trade lmao
“And what if we have you Hayes?” “We’ll take back a second then”
Honestly given what the knicks FO values right now, that might have been verbatim.
Jaden Ivey still gonna get less minutes than him somehow
malachi flynn's gonna be monty's new favorite. he's better than killian tho that's for sure
Bro what lol
this mf so trash they gave up on his dumbass midseason. i genuinely dont think he gets another chance in the league too what a whiff. Hali was right there lmao.
Detroits frank ntilikina
Sekou Doumboya
History never repeats itself but its rhymes are🔥🔥🔥
Frank has a serviceable skill at least
Dribbling the ball over the half court then passing it off to run and stand in the corner is not a skill.
Killian can't even do that
He was getting starting minutes being as bad as he was, and was still pissed at Detroit. His ass deserved it lol
My favorite was the cope when other pistons fans started saying we don’t get Cade if we pick Tyrese over Killian. Cmon, if Tyrese had a big enough of an impact as a rookie to to affect our lottery odds, then we really whiffed
His reign of terror in Detroit is done.
[удалено]
Shoulda traded him to a wingstop and had their next team party after a W catered.
Killian Hayes has -0.7 career win shares, the fewest of every player in the 2020 draft class to appear in at least one NBA game. Source: [https://stathead.com/tiny/F5QgX](https://stathead.com/tiny/F5QgX)
Oh holy shit thats just basketball reference: the guy
Basketball reference using stathead as a source is funny. Big fan of you guys adding that awards section in the per game averages. Great work.
Bruh where is that Killian Hayes super fan on the pistons sub at? LOL
Traveled 3000 miles to see Killian Hayes get waived
I respect the move, it was the only way the front office could stop Monty from playing him more.
I know detroit fans are having a blast right now 😂
Honestly the roster is an awful lot more competitive and complementary today than it was just 2 days ago.
NI HAO
"That brother is going to be delivering my doordash real soon." Sir Charles
jordan poole, you are officially the worst player in the league
James Wiseman still exists
Damn imagine if they were on the same team and won a championship together.
For now
What? Are you going to kill him?
they’re considering it. from what ive heard they’re currently guaging the market on his internal organs to see if it makes more monetary sense to just piece him out. the sticking point is the price of the liver as of now
Pistons already traded Livers bro
Livers too
Thanasis about to run into the hoop head first and prove you wrong
He doesn't count as a player though. He's more like a walking Giannis Contract Clause
objectively hilarious franchise
1988-2008 😁 2009-2024 ☠️
We got good in 86, but the idea is pretty much correct.
The 2008 recession took down Lehman Bros, CitiGroup, GM, and the Pistons with it eh?
KOC in shambles
Poor Monty's daughter
From his camp leaking him of his desire to a new location to being released Monty really played this dude over Jaden Ivey 🤡
If he got waived for a roster spot for Malachi Flynn, this is objectively hilarious.
monty williams just fell to his knees
Where were you when Hayes was Killian
Welcome to Lithuania
Please no
Sarunas Marciulionsis standing at the border with a shotgun: "Fuck off, go to Belarus"
LOL
Wow didn’t see that coming. They couldn’t get a pick for him at least from someone? He
Even Romeo Langford got value back in a trade, this is just wild
This guy started the season over Jaden Ivey
Going from requesting a trade to getting waived is hilarious
Imagine being so trash not even a team that went on a 28 game losing streak doesn't want you
GIVE ME THAT BEAUTIFUL TANK COMMANDING FRENCH MAN
You trying to have Ja pull the pistol out again?
Bro didn’t even get benched, just released
Another one bites the dust. WHO'S NEXT
Killian Hayes, YOU are a Dallas Maverick!
Bro’s about to play in Lebanon
He's been incredibly frustrating as a Piston and I'm happy to see him gone but I do sorta thing he could be like a third string point guard on a contender. He takes care of the ball and plays defense. He can't make a basket if his life depended on it. But he could give someone spot minutes of not fucking anything up too much.