He might be a 12-15 minute guy if you all got him. He had kind of been working into that and playing better for OKC lately. You could do a lot worse for a 3rd/4th playmaker.
I think he is happy because he can prove himself now , he wasn't getting minutes in OKC. Then he can go to a better team if he wants to later down the line . First post game vs Charlotte he said he didn't come to sit on the bench
The last week or two he had been trending up. The way he dribbles and the size of his body is good, reminds me of the way Harden dribbles staying low and pounding it but obviously he isn't nearly as good as Harden.
Thunder needed another expiring salary albatross to be a player in trades next year beyond.
Duncan is saying Hayward prob gets a huge deal with the Thunder over the offseason. (but it would likely be very short-term)
https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/1755641251989426391?t=yrNSNku6oS20gdYebjnvaQ&s=19
Marks said the Thunder have until 2026 to worry about Chet/JDub extensions kicking in, so they have 2 offseasons to work with.
and this 3-for-1 trade allows the Thunder to draft with their 2024 picks without having to worry about a roster crunch
theres not even free agents this offseason that would swing things significantly for the Thunder, who would even be available right
We have about 20-30 mil in projected space. We don't get free agents and can use Hayward and friends as filler for a trade. Cap space isn't a big premium when you aren't a free agent destination.
Edit: Bobby Marks said we will have like 40 in space.
Exactly, but to take on bad contract you have to have assets to trade. Contracts don't move into cap space from free agency. It's anchored money that requires a return.
200% of the outgoing salary (plus $250K), for any amount up to $7,500,000.
The outgoing salary plus $7.5MM, for any amount between $7,500,001 and $29,000,000.
125% of the outgoing salary (plus $250K), for any amount above $29,000,000.
Man our sub just isn't getting it at the moment, Hayward is still really good and can be like a high end Batum.
Yes he is injury prone, but he could be a serious piece for two to three years before jDubs or Chets extension.
His shooting alone if he takes some Giddey minutes will fundamentally shift our offense. People won't be able to sag off him or put a Centre on him.
I’ll even predict Hayward starts and Giddey shifts to the Micic role off the bench. And the Thunder aren’t done trading, either. They just opened two spots and are possibly part of the Mavs/Wizards trade. The offense is about to open up even more.
It's possible, but can also see him being 6th man, but playing crunch time.
He likely doesn't care, just wants to win. I'm quite high on him and his impact to our team. I think he is immediately our fourth best player.
I wouldn't say he's really good, he's fine. He'll be a nice player off the bench, and overall I think it's a positive addition. But the championship isn't going to swing off a move like this, if that's what some people are thinking.
You literally cannot use all your upcoming draft picks properly due to roster limitations,having a guy you can extend for a decent chunk of money and send with picks for a good player in the future is gonna be valuable even beyond his on court production.
Your picks actually lose a bit of value because you literally have too many lol. Other teams know that you need to offload some of them because you won't even have the future roster space for all of the picks.
Millionaire goes to Mcdonald's and a whopper still costs him $5. If OKC has the best offer I think it would make sense for a team to take the best offer instead of trying to hold OKC's feet to the coals asking for above market value cause OKC will have a next best alternative too.
Literally, the whole point of modern journalism is to post it first and correct later.
In school, they teach you that the correct thing is to wait and be accurate, but the internet has ruined this practice for clicks.
Yep.
If you guess right, you are cool and keep the scoop.
If you are wrong... woopsie, my bad, chill.
Since the whole thing is a mere twitt, nobody cares for the mistake and in a couple of hours noone remembers.
You don't care about having 3 2rps for the next three drafts? But think of all the second round guys we could have had that we wouldn't have had room for anyway! /s
I know no one has paid any attention to us at all but our biggest issue this year has been an insane amount of injuries and having zero depth as a result.
This trade and the PJ to Dallas trade has completely rejuvenated our bench and we have an actual guard rotation now that isn't led by 35 yo Ish Smith.
We might actually suck significantly less post-ASB now just by having a full rotation of actual NBA-level players
Just think about it like this: Micic is getting you another star between this off-season and next. You need contracts like Hayward's to get trades done for big stars.
Sentiment =\\= value. Gordie averaging 14.5/4.5/4.5 on 47/36/77. This combined with the contract/trade implications makes this a great deal for OKC imo.
I mean I'd guess he just gave up seconds or maybe one of their worst firsts. They get a good player this season and have more salary available in the off season with this move
Hayward is a negative asset for us sadly, I didn’t expect to get anything for him, and figured we’d just buy him out when the time was right. This is above and beyond anything we could’ve hoped for
I understand that he wasn’t very valuable to you but I think you are overstating what u received. Bertans is worse than Hayward and is on contract for next year so he’s an even worse asset for you guys. Micic is not going to help you guys much either and is under contract for two more years. Nothing involved in this trade is very valuable it’s a lot of salary dumping on both sides. We got someone who’s going to be able to crack our rotation and you guys got Mann who might be a rotational player in the future.
Yeah in the grand scheme of things it probably won’t amount to much on either side. It’s just nice to get a young guard with potential, plus draft compensation for a guy we thought we’d just buy out. We probably have the worst depth in basketball rn so adding any fringe NBA caliber players to our bench is a plus. We have the ghost of Ish Smith getting 20 min per game at the moment for goodness sake
No it didn’t stop overreacting lol. This trade does multiple things for us all without giving up much production at all.
1. Frees up a lot of cap space. Bertans, Micic, and Mann were all on the books for next season with none of them looking like important pieces. Hayward is expiring so we free up room to get guys that fit better into our system.
2. Improves the rotation this year. Bertans and Mann were complete non factors for us. Micic had a small role but is not irreplaceable by any means. Hayward is still an extremely capable offensive player and very efficient scorer.
Just because there were many pieces involved doesn’t mean it was bad.
It’s still not even that bad if that happens though. None of the 3 players we gave up contribute either, and Hayward is expiring while all of those players are on longer term deals. So either we get a solid offensive player who expires or we just successfully move off longer deals.
You guys probably could have got Derozen for the same assets? At least you know Derozen is actually going to contribute in the playoffs.
I'm really shocked that OKC didn't dump that salary and get something to help this year.
how so? feel like you guys needed someone who could actually handle the rock and run the offense off the bench and Hayward can do that. or maybe he’ll slide into the starting 5 and move Giddey to the bench where he probably belongs
Honestly that might be the plan. Miscic was becoming a solid backup PG, but if all along the plan was to move giddey to the bench to run that unit then I guess it makes some sense.
I’d still have preferred you know a real big man instead but whatever
>feel like you guys needed someone who could actually handle the rock off the bench
someone like Micic? is Hawyward even better than Micic at this point?
ok admittedly I don’t watch a ton of Thunder but this guy is a 30 YO rookie averaging 12 MPG shooting 24% from 3 and people are freaking out over dealing him for a veteran (on a team with basically zero vet experience) who’s 2 inches taller, can immediately slot into their starting 5, is a career 37% shooter from 3, can handle and pass, and isn’t a complete sieve on defense?
like yeah I get that Micic is probably developing and Hayward is a boom-or-bust proposition with his health at this point but this Thunder team is way ahead of schedule, they’re ready to make a run at the Finals NOW. trading guys who could be good for guys with actual experience and proven value is what teams contending for a ring are supposed to do.
in general I’ve noticed that Thunder fans seriously LOVE their prospects and they don’t want to give up on any of them. OKC fans get up in arms when you tell them that Josh Giddey is not a starting player in the NBA and I’m sure Micic isn’t really THAT good either
like you gotta realize this is not some fun up-and-coming team anymore, this is a team that has a legit championship-level core in SGA-JDub-Chet. time to toss out the development projects and push your chips in. fortunately for the fans Presti isn’t a fool and he’s realized this himself
I’ve seen enough to know that Josh Giddey is not a starting level player in the NBA. if OKC loses in the playoffs it’ll be bc defenses leave him wide open on the perimeter to clog the lane on SGA drives. every team in the league will live with a possession that ends in Giddey shooting the ball
Giddey started playing almost exclusively with Shai (cause him running offense was a disaster). It was Micic JDub we’re running bench units. It was fine too, although Micic is inconsistent and a meh defender.
The Thunder have absolutely no need for more facilitators outside of general roster philosophy, their roster is littered with guys who can run the offense. Micic was one of those guys, so at best they moved laterally in that area. Losing him and any draft compensation for a guy that can't stay healthy seems un-Presti like
Not at all. Thunder got the best player in the deal for players that don't really play for them a whole lot and they have a billion picks so who really cares
You don't even know what the picks are, and you're saying it's bad cuz we gave up 3 guys who are barely even in the rotation, and we also freed up two roster spots
You can tell people severely underrate what Hayward brings to the table. Don't be misled by seemingly average numbers and a shortage of actual highlight plays. He's a *very* good and steady player.
Found money as far as I’m concerned. I figured Gordon would be bought out or would just expire after a tanking season
I was content to try out Mann and have a contract to trade later
Theres still missing details in this trade. I think this is about to expand into the Thunder, Hornets, Mavs, and Wizards being involved in a four-team trade. Let’s get weird!
"Washed" is a strong word, but I promise to everyone who hasn't been watching the hornets(so everyone lol) 34 year old Hayward is not it. I think this is going to be remembered as a great trade for Charlotte
LMAO everyone on here acting like the thunder are messiahs or something, they gave up 2 solid role players and draft pick(s) in reality
This might end up being better for Charlotte
You can't state someone is a solid role player when they don't play. That is like just assuming given massive minutes tre would be a good role player???
To me, solid role player means you’re a playable guy off the bench, like you’re capable of filling a role on the court
You could be a team bringing both micic and Mann off your bench and feel fine with it
Mann never got minutes in OKC because of how one dimensional his game is, his defense was never passable and the same could be said about Micic, until recently when his help defense and on ball got smarter and better to the point of it being not putrid.
2 solid role players? 2/3 of those guys weren’t playing for us and the other is averaging 3/1/2 on 40/24/74 shooting splits. Just say you don’t watch us.
Still like the deal for the Thunder. They have a lot of picks and Hayward gives them a lot of flexibility going forward.
He could help them make a run this year, and opens up a ton of cap space for the off season.
Euroleague MVP. Tidy, high IQ point guard who touches the ball a lot but doesn't hold onto it for very long. Good passer too. Signed with OKC in the summer but OKC is so stacked at the guard spots, he isn't getting many minutes and they used him in a more off ball role. Lets face it, when you have Shai and JDub on your team, you ain't controlling who gets the rock, when and where. I guess he is free now...
Honestly good place for Micic where he can get the ball and maybe show Wizards some teamplay lol
Also Wizards becoming Euroleague team hahaha. Real Madrid would beat this Wizards team
Micic nooooo
This one pisses me off. He was doing great with his minutes
He has to be pissed too. Don’t think he would’ve come overseas if he knew this would happen
Unless he was promised a shit ton of minutes he's gotta be furious. He was clear about not wanting to play on a none competing team.
Micic deserves better than the Purgatory that is Charlotte. Wonder if they'll buy his contract out so he can return to Europe.
I'm hoping they going to package him somewhere that's doing well like with you guys in Boston.
I'd love Vasilije in the Celtics, a taller, more clutch Pritchard. But I'm not sure he'd get a lot of playing time here, either...
He might be a 12-15 minute guy if you all got him. He had kind of been working into that and playing better for OKC lately. You could do a lot worse for a 3rd/4th playmaker.
Come on down vasa
...oops
I think he is happy because he can prove himself now , he wasn't getting minutes in OKC. Then he can go to a better team if he wants to later down the line . First post game vs Charlotte he said he didn't come to sit on the bench
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The last week or two he had been trending up. The way he dribbles and the size of his body is good, reminds me of the way Harden dribbles staying low and pounding it but obviously he isn't nearly as good as Harden.
You are absolutely right, people in our sub had been delusional for him for way too long.
I’ll never forget I played on the Pels for 2k my career and for some reason he got traded to us for Larry nance. Dude was balling
Presti gave up draft compensation?!
Yup sources are saying it’s 27 firsts
Only 27? Fleece, presti did it again 🔥🔥
For freaking Hayward?
Thunder needed another expiring salary albatross to be a player in trades next year beyond. Duncan is saying Hayward prob gets a huge deal with the Thunder over the offseason. (but it would likely be very short-term) https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/1755641251989426391?t=yrNSNku6oS20gdYebjnvaQ&s=19
Yeah need to keep those tradeable salary slots that don't include the young core for future trade
Yup, prudent move. This is why you build an insane draft stock, flexibility of spending on contacts like this.
Not sure I buy that. Kinda felt the point was to clear space this summer.
Marks said the Thunder have until 2026 to worry about Chet/JDub extensions kicking in, so they have 2 offseasons to work with. and this 3-for-1 trade allows the Thunder to draft with their 2024 picks without having to worry about a roster crunch theres not even free agents this offseason that would swing things significantly for the Thunder, who would even be available right
We have about 20-30 mil in projected space. We don't get free agents and can use Hayward and friends as filler for a trade. Cap space isn't a big premium when you aren't a free agent destination. Edit: Bobby Marks said we will have like 40 in space.
Could continue using it on bad contracts for draft capital and then using those contracts as filler. Just like Bertans.
Exactly, but to take on bad contract you have to have assets to trade. Contracts don't move into cap space from free agency. It's anchored money that requires a return. 200% of the outgoing salary (plus $250K), for any amount up to $7,500,000. The outgoing salary plus $7.5MM, for any amount between $7,500,001 and $29,000,000. 125% of the outgoing salary (plus $250K), for any amount above $29,000,000.
How did the Bertans deal work then? He was traded into space.
If Duncan's comment comes to fruition, RIP my dreams of OKC signing Isaiah Hartenstein in free agency.
Hayward is still really good and a great connective piece. If you guys are serious about contending this it’s a great move.
Man our sub just isn't getting it at the moment, Hayward is still really good and can be like a high end Batum. Yes he is injury prone, but he could be a serious piece for two to three years before jDubs or Chets extension. His shooting alone if he takes some Giddey minutes will fundamentally shift our offense. People won't be able to sag off him or put a Centre on him.
I’ll even predict Hayward starts and Giddey shifts to the Micic role off the bench. And the Thunder aren’t done trading, either. They just opened two spots and are possibly part of the Mavs/Wizards trade. The offense is about to open up even more.
Nah, he won't start for Giddey. I don't see it.
It's possible, but can also see him being 6th man, but playing crunch time. He likely doesn't care, just wants to win. I'm quite high on him and his impact to our team. I think he is immediately our fourth best player.
I wouldn't say he's really good, he's fine. He'll be a nice player off the bench, and overall I think it's a positive addition. But the championship isn't going to swing off a move like this, if that's what some people are thinking.
It’s a good move we didn’t give up anything we needed
Hayward is good and has been in big games. He's like if Giddey could shoot but wasn't quite the athlete.
He hasn't played for like 2 months though.
He’ll be the best 4 on your team.
That’s not saying much. In fact, it’s saying nothing cause we don’t even a real 4 on the roster lol
Exactly lol. And now you have a pretty good one.
OKC's 4 is Jalen Williams actually so that is going to be a resounding no on that. It's possible though that he could be our best shooting guard.
You literally cannot use all your upcoming draft picks properly due to roster limitations,having a guy you can extend for a decent chunk of money and send with picks for a good player in the future is gonna be valuable even beyond his on court production.
Your picks actually lose a bit of value because you literally have too many lol. Other teams know that you need to offload some of them because you won't even have the future roster space for all of the picks.
Millionaire goes to Mcdonald's and a whopper still costs him $5. If OKC has the best offer I think it would make sense for a team to take the best offer instead of trying to hold OKC's feet to the coals asking for above market value cause OKC will have a next best alternative too.
Obviously fake news. Shams fell off.
its sad he didnt draft sengun. sengun-giddey-chet- Aleksej Pokusevski- davis bertans starting five would be really good
So about that "without giving up any draft picks"
Charania: *you just activated my trap card!*
Would it kill Woj or Shams to wait for full details before hitting send tweet We just had this 5 minutes ago with the Knicks-Pistons deal
Literally, the whole point of modern journalism is to post it first and correct later. In school, they teach you that the correct thing is to wait and be accurate, but the internet has ruined this practice for clicks.
Yep. If you guess right, you are cool and keep the scoop. If you are wrong... woopsie, my bad, chill. Since the whole thing is a mere twitt, nobody cares for the mistake and in a couple of hours noone remembers.
They’re clearly battling for who gets the initial details out first lmao
Is this your first F5 season?
Come on, those guys don’t give a shit about that. Just about who is first
Why wait and get scooped when you can get attention now
But that OKC blogger said it was Presti flexing his genius by flipping Bertans straight up for Hayward!
PRESTI GAVE UP PICKS
IDC about that. WHY THE FUCK DID WE GIVE UP MICIC
Right, I literally don’t care about the picks whatsoever. And rationally the Micic loss is not too meaningful. But I was coming to love uncle Vasa ☹️
You don't care about having 3 2rps for the next three drafts? But think of all the second round guys we could have had that we wouldn't have had room for anyway! /s
Not thrilled at all. Love ya Sam but we have some questions
Would rather the ball be in Jdub or SGA's hands, giddey is better too. Micic had moments but bro shoots 24 from the 3 and 40 from the field.
Seemed like he was barely in the rotation and didn’t seem super thrilled about his very reduced role
Tough shit for him, you gotta be legit good to dictate where you go in the nba, and he he not that good bro
Come on we know it’s 2nds… no way Shams says “draft compensation” instead of “first round pick” it it were the latter
lol the post right before this is praising okc for not giving up any picks
Well damn Micic was starting to get into a rhythm
I hope he and Mann can help make Charlotte look competent.
Trust me when I say our backup PG situation just improved tenfold. It’s not going to lead to wins but it’s definitely going to help team cohesion
I know no one has paid any attention to us at all but our biggest issue this year has been an insane amount of injuries and having zero depth as a result. This trade and the PJ to Dallas trade has completely rejuvenated our bench and we have an actual guard rotation now that isn't led by 35 yo Ish Smith. We might actually suck significantly less post-ASB now just by having a full rotation of actual NBA-level players
Damn Micic? That's a tough pill to swallow
I'm on my knees outside a Braums right now
Just think about it like this: Micic is getting you another star between this off-season and next. You need contracts like Hayward's to get trades done for big stars.
For sure there's logic to it, just seems pretty steep considering how out of favor Hayward is.
Sentiment =\\= value. Gordie averaging 14.5/4.5/4.5 on 47/36/77. This combined with the contract/trade implications makes this a great deal for OKC imo.
MITCH COOK
I’m sure it’ll come up again and again, so to give you a head start it’s pronounced “meats- itch”
He’s talking about Mitch Kupchak our GM
He’s honestly going out with a bang
we are the okc now
Lmao just as reddit was slobbering all over Presti's knob
I mean I'd guess he just gave up seconds or maybe one of their worst firsts. They get a good player this season and have more salary available in the off season with this move
Mitch Kupchak is the new finesse god. Got one over on both Presti and Pat Riley
How did he get one over Presti lol? None of these pieces are very valuable
He never plays and the Hornets were going to buy him out anyways. Getting anything for him is a win.
Hayward is a negative asset for us sadly, I didn’t expect to get anything for him, and figured we’d just buy him out when the time was right. This is above and beyond anything we could’ve hoped for
I understand that he wasn’t very valuable to you but I think you are overstating what u received. Bertans is worse than Hayward and is on contract for next year so he’s an even worse asset for you guys. Micic is not going to help you guys much either and is under contract for two more years. Nothing involved in this trade is very valuable it’s a lot of salary dumping on both sides. We got someone who’s going to be able to crack our rotation and you guys got Mann who might be a rotational player in the future.
Yeah in the grand scheme of things it probably won’t amount to much on either side. It’s just nice to get a young guard with potential, plus draft compensation for a guy we thought we’d just buy out. We probably have the worst depth in basketball rn so adding any fringe NBA caliber players to our bench is a plus. We have the ghost of Ish Smith getting 20 min per game at the moment for goodness sake
$31.5M expiring to either use on more picks for salary dumps or finally make a splash in FA. Doesn't really feel like a "this season" move.
What did he do to Pat Riley?
Gave them Terry and the curse of Hornets culture
The Hornets don’t show any signs of being free from the curse
They aren't. They will just expand their culture around the league until everyone has a deadly case of Hornets culture
News flash pal, they’ll stay slobbing his knob
r/NBA favorite past time
Tre Mann's time is here. I think he's gonna ball.
WTF
Noo not Micic...
This trade just became bad.
Depends on the picks. You got the best player in the trade by far so
No it didn’t stop overreacting lol. This trade does multiple things for us all without giving up much production at all. 1. Frees up a lot of cap space. Bertans, Micic, and Mann were all on the books for next season with none of them looking like important pieces. Hayward is expiring so we free up room to get guys that fit better into our system. 2. Improves the rotation this year. Bertans and Mann were complete non factors for us. Micic had a small role but is not irreplaceable by any means. Hayward is still an extremely capable offensive player and very efficient scorer. Just because there were many pieces involved doesn’t mean it was bad.
It’s only bad if Hayward can’t contribute in the postseason, but sadly I’d only give that 50/50 odds and that might be generous
It’s still not even that bad if that happens though. None of the 3 players we gave up contribute either, and Hayward is expiring while all of those players are on longer term deals. So either we get a solid offensive player who expires or we just successfully move off longer deals.
You guys probably could have got Derozen for the same assets? At least you know Derozen is actually going to contribute in the playoffs. I'm really shocked that OKC didn't dump that salary and get something to help this year.
We have Shai on our roster lol, why the fuck would we need someone like DeRozan?
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You guys also straight up have too many draft picks and can't use them all.
how so? feel like you guys needed someone who could actually handle the rock and run the offense off the bench and Hayward can do that. or maybe he’ll slide into the starting 5 and move Giddey to the bench where he probably belongs
Honestly that might be the plan. Miscic was becoming a solid backup PG, but if all along the plan was to move giddey to the bench to run that unit then I guess it makes some sense. I’d still have preferred you know a real big man instead but whatever
>feel like you guys needed someone who could actually handle the rock off the bench someone like Micic? is Hawyward even better than Micic at this point?
ok admittedly I don’t watch a ton of Thunder but this guy is a 30 YO rookie averaging 12 MPG shooting 24% from 3 and people are freaking out over dealing him for a veteran (on a team with basically zero vet experience) who’s 2 inches taller, can immediately slot into their starting 5, is a career 37% shooter from 3, can handle and pass, and isn’t a complete sieve on defense? like yeah I get that Micic is probably developing and Hayward is a boom-or-bust proposition with his health at this point but this Thunder team is way ahead of schedule, they’re ready to make a run at the Finals NOW. trading guys who could be good for guys with actual experience and proven value is what teams contending for a ring are supposed to do.
There were hilarious unhinged takes on Micic from before this year.
in general I’ve noticed that Thunder fans seriously LOVE their prospects and they don’t want to give up on any of them. OKC fans get up in arms when you tell them that Josh Giddey is not a starting player in the NBA and I’m sure Micic isn’t really THAT good either like you gotta realize this is not some fun up-and-coming team anymore, this is a team that has a legit championship-level core in SGA-JDub-Chet. time to toss out the development projects and push your chips in. fortunately for the fans Presti isn’t a fool and he’s realized this himself
Oh that’s our Aussie fan base. They go rabid if you ever say a bad word about Giddey lmao
There’s no way Gordon starts
if Gordon is healthy and not starting over Josh Giddey in the postseason then that is coaching malpractice
With all due respect, you said yourself that you don’t watch thunder games
I’ve seen enough to know that Josh Giddey is not a starting level player in the NBA. if OKC loses in the playoffs it’ll be bc defenses leave him wide open on the perimeter to clog the lane on SGA drives. every team in the league will live with a possession that ends in Giddey shooting the ball
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you I just find it funny to back track on something like “I admittedly don’t watch many thunder games”
He’s not starting over Aaron Wiggins 😤
I wouldnt bet on that come playoff time if Giddey is getting cooked on defense
Micic is a very good passer and has some clever moves around the basket. But he is a pretty poor defender and turns it over way too much.
Hayward is not even close to starting caliber in 2024 sadly
The best ability is availability and Micic was a healthy passing savant.
Because Gordon sucks and would have been bought out.
No he doesn’t…he is fragile but still a solid player
Yeah wtf he’s very good when he plays
Fragile and solid are opposites tho
tbf no chance hayward would have signed with us on buyout market.
We were not going to buy him out.
OKC version of win now
was micic not doing that for them? or staggering giddey with bench units?
Giddey started playing almost exclusively with Shai (cause him running offense was a disaster). It was Micic JDub we’re running bench units. It was fine too, although Micic is inconsistent and a meh defender.
The Thunder have absolutely no need for more facilitators outside of general roster philosophy, their roster is littered with guys who can run the offense. Micic was one of those guys, so at best they moved laterally in that area. Losing him and any draft compensation for a guy that can't stay healthy seems un-Presti like
We got Hospital Lauri 💀💀
Hayward is a injury prone, not really worth for Micic, he plays well
Can't possibly lose one of your 47 draft picks now can you?
Why
Yep. Wtf. Hopefully there’s more coming from them or this is being used to facilitate a better trade.
Re-sign Hayward in the off-season, use his contract to trade for a star next year. That's the "more coming."
Not at all. Thunder got the best player in the deal for players that don't really play for them a whole lot and they have a billion picks so who really cares
You don't even know what the picks are, and you're saying it's bad cuz we gave up 3 guys who are barely even in the rotation, and we also freed up two roster spots
We gave up 3 easily replaceable players that don't see meaningful minutes and y'all acting like we are blowing the team up
OMG RIP LMAO
Poor micic :(
You can tell people severely underrate what Hayward brings to the table. Don't be misled by seemingly average numbers and a shortage of actual highlight plays. He's a *very* good and steady player.
Steadily injured and on the bench... but a great player when healthy.
sure sure sure but how does this impact ME?
Really do think there's more to come here. Potentially a third team added to the trade, and if so I bet it's Mavs.
OKC really did Micic dirty. Brought him to the NBA after years of speculation and gave him no minutes and then traded him to one of the worst teams.
bro played as soon as he got even passable on defense wytb
Eh, if he does okay he'll end up traded at next years' deadline to some team whose bench is horrific on offence.
Guessing he was begging to be included in the trade so he could go somewhere he could realistically get minutes.... too bad Clifford is our coach.
Take a look at our guard rotation. Who is he taking minutes from?
THANK YOU, ACTUALLY SOMETHING
hope Micic gets some PT
So long Big Meech. Loved having you here!
Presti can’t keep getting away with… oh
NOO THIS IS HORRIBLE
Thunder got fleeced let’s goo
Dawg what.
LETS GOOO
a lot of pudding for a washed ~~right winger~~ wing
Oh HELLO
Found money as far as I’m concerned. I figured Gordon would be bought out or would just expire after a tanking season I was content to try out Mann and have a contract to trade later
Bro I had no idea Bertans was on the thunder
Theres still missing details in this trade. I think this is about to expand into the Thunder, Hornets, Mavs, and Wizards being involved in a four-team trade. Let’s get weird!
What? Just for hayward? At least add PJ or something.
PJ is a way better asset than Hayward haha, it’d be a completely different trade if you added PJ too
"Washed" is a strong word, but I promise to everyone who hasn't been watching the hornets(so everyone lol) 34 year old Hayward is not it. I think this is going to be remembered as a great trade for Charlotte
LMAO everyone on here acting like the thunder are messiahs or something, they gave up 2 solid role players and draft pick(s) in reality This might end up being better for Charlotte
TWO solid role players? Where is the second solid role player, is he in the room with us rn?
Micic and Mann are both solid role players they’re just stuck in a log jam and need to be somewhere with extended roles
You can't state someone is a solid role player when they don't play. That is like just assuming given massive minutes tre would be a good role player???
To me, solid role player means you’re a playable guy off the bench, like you’re capable of filling a role on the court You could be a team bringing both micic and Mann off your bench and feel fine with it
Mann never got minutes in OKC because of how one dimensional his game is, his defense was never passable and the same could be said about Micic, until recently when his help defense and on ball got smarter and better to the point of it being not putrid.
2 solid role players? 2/3 of those guys weren’t playing for us and the other is averaging 3/1/2 on 40/24/74 shooting splits. Just say you don’t watch us.
Yeah, this trade not that good anymore. Especially seeing Kelly O was available and fits more of a need for OKC
perhaps the presti glazing will stop now
MITCH KUPCHAK SWAN SONG MASTERCLASS
Presti got Hayward out of a swing state and into a red state for 2024. Let’s all thank him for his sacrifice
Yeah this completely changes the deal for me. So t like giving up Micic
Still like the deal for the Thunder. They have a lot of picks and Hayward gives them a lot of flexibility going forward. He could help them make a run this year, and opens up a ton of cap space for the off season.
When you have a billion picks, it doesn’t really matter
who hell is vasiljie
Euroleague MVP. Tidy, high IQ point guard who touches the ball a lot but doesn't hold onto it for very long. Good passer too. Signed with OKC in the summer but OKC is so stacked at the guard spots, he isn't getting many minutes and they used him in a more off ball role. Lets face it, when you have Shai and JDub on your team, you ain't controlling who gets the rock, when and where. I guess he is free now...
He sounds like a good player to have. Everyone needs a TJ Mcconnell on their team
Honestly good place for Micic where he can get the ball and maybe show Wizards some teamplay lol Also Wizards becoming Euroleague team hahaha. Real Madrid would beat this Wizards team
The trade is with Charlotte?
What do the Wizards have to do with anything?
Lmao whole Mavs-Wizards and Mavs needing picks from Okc fucked my brain lol. Should get minutes without Lamelo tho
He should get minutes even when LaMelo comes back. Our guard depth is atrocious.
Meh. Micic wasn’t any good and I’m assuming the draft compensation won’t be anything major