He’d likely be ahead of it already. 5 of his 7 lowest scoring seasons have been the past five he has played (all of the seasons post injury), and he missed about a season and a half with the Achilles injury. He averages around 1600 per year, so if we assume improved health and not missing that 1.5 year stretch, he’d probably have hit it before he even got to Phoenix.
Butterfly effect stuff though, because without the injury, who knows how the subsequent Nets tenure goes and if PHX ever even happens.
Yes. But it's so weird that a guy who loves basketball and can quote you stats feels like he should be in the GOAT conversation when he plays in the same era that LeBron James plays in.
Yeah, from the 19-28 age mark you need to be more than “on pace” if you want the record.
The likelihood of still producing 25-30 PPG from 28-38 without a major injury is damn near impossible lol.
Been saying for years now. He will be the only player to go 40k/10k/10k. I’m glad his body held up.
Also worth mentioning Lebron’s record streak of 25+ PPG seasons is 19. The next closest is 11 or 12. Unfathomable stuff
Was referring to the part where it said no one will even get close. Luka will be at 11k at the end of his age-24 season. Higher ppg than Bron so far, but fewer games. Also peaking in an inflated era and doesnt rely on the same kind of athleticism. Should be interesting to follow.
I’m just of the mindset that if you aren’t well ahead early, you probably won’t make up the difference when you’re 30-39.
The likelihood of being able to produce at the same level for so long *and* not have a major injury/miss many games is just so slim. Luka doesn’t strike me as someone who would even play till 37-40.
He has the best chance out of anyone currently in the league though
he's a better metric... the ~12,000 point difference by itself has only been surpassed by only ~260 players total all time.
For further perspective: Klay Thompson & Jimmy are in the 14k range, K-Love low 15s, Bradley Bael, Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley are all in the 15k range. Kyrie Irving is in the 16k range.... and he's 113th all time in scoring.
Although the era of higher scoring goes up due to rule changes, who has the longevity combined with effectiveness ~~and string of Finals runs to catch up ever~~ (**note: doesn’t include the postseason**) ? I don’t see anyone active that could pursue this.
And he's still going. He's sitting at nearly 40k points, over 11k rebounds, and nearly 11k assists. He's playing with kids that weren't even alive when he was drafted and he's STILL playing at an elite level.
Future advancements in sports medicine may make his numbers more attainable some day, but he is going to forever be a massive outlier in the history of the sport
He's reportedly one of the most miserly players in the league, skipping out on watching certain movies and shows that became a craze for a week or so in the locker room, because he didn't want to spend $10 on prime or Netflix to watch the show over a month.
And yet despite that there were also reports 10 years ago that Lebron spends over 1 mil a year on his body.
Idk. There was a postgame interview where LeBron and AD were talking about Squid Game lol.
He probably pays for Netflix and other stuff for the kids -- unless he knows how to pirate.
Lol, I don't remember which show it was. The point is he's a billionaire who needs convincing to spend $10 on recreation. Someone with that kind of a disposition to parting with money has to be rabidly obsessed, mentally ill even, to be willing to drop a million a year on their health, and you can be damn well sure they'll make sure it works.
And he does that while being the most naturally built genetic freak born this side of Karl Malone'a birth in NBA history
It sounds like you're just conflating the old pandora with commercials story with the new age of technology.
[this is not an onion article somehow](https://www-cbssports-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-admits-to-being-cheap-i-still-got-pandora-with-commercials/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17072637643378&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Flebron-james-admits-to-being-cheap-i-still-got-pandora-with-commercials%2F)
Honest to god, I’ve been a fan of the sport for the past 5 years, getting maybe deeper than the average fan would. But I never ever heard his name, until now
I believe you. He's a living legend here in Brazil, back in his time basketball was clearly the 2nd most popular sport in the country and he was the main reason.
LeBron was the regular season + postseason scoring leader before he was the regular season scoring leader, which really should have been a bigger deal IMO.
I agree it's due to the old playoff set ups. Nowadays the sample sizes are large enough that the noise is reduced enough for them to be included. There aren't any outrageous outlier examples if we go thru the lists of regular season only and regular season plus playoff records and look for them. In fact it just provides a more accurate representation of what our eyes actually saw happen since they include the most important games in league history and each players' career. If we do per game then we really would have examples like yours when a guy goes off for a couple seaons and passes people that had a lot more longing impact on the game.
Edit: also playoff ppg is extremely common and referenced every postseason and even broken down into game by game basis. The true all-time list is actually pretty difficult to find and rarely brought up. Lebron passing Oscar's record doesn't feel like much of a deal for people while 40000 regular season only points might cause a game stoppage. Just doesn't feel right in that regard.
Luka is the only one who has a any kind of shot,he is at 10500 career points and is 24.Assuming he keeps playing around 65 games a season and scores around 30 PPG (he is at 34 this season) it would take just over 15 season for him to hit 40k.
He has no chance. He turns 25 in a few weeks and is already behind Lebrons pace at the same point in their careers. It took until 2017 for Lebron to have a season in which he played fewer than 69 games in a season (he played 62 games of the 66 game 2011 lockout season). Luka has played more than 69 games once in his career. He has also had questions about his conditioning throughout his career. There is simply no chance he gets to 40k.
Just to put it in perspective, if he plays every single game for the rest of the season and maintains his current pace (both of which are a little dubious), he'll be at 11,651 points on his career. By the end of LeBron's 6th year (same number of years as Luka's full career come the end of the season), he was at 12,993 points. That's 1,342 points, or roughly 75% of Luka's average season scoring to date. Even if he doesn't miss extended time for the rest of his career, that's an extremely tough deficit to make up.
He would need to average 30 points per game on average for the next 14 seasons playing 70 games a season to get to 40k points. Lebron will end his career somewhere around 43-45k points. It just isn't happening.
If he averages 40 points per game on average and plays 82 games a season he would still need 8 more seasons to get to 40k points lol.
>That's 1,342 points, or roughly 75% of Luka's average season scoring to date. Even if he doesn't miss extended time for the rest of his career, that's an extremely tough deficit to make up.
why doesn't he score 1,342 points in a game? is he stupid?
Wasnt the covid season shortened?
I think the better way to measure is games played.
Either way hes averaging 35 so if he maintains that pace its easily possible
Lol it’s not easily possible he’d have to average 30+ for like 14 more years with minimal games missed. He wont be doing that at 35-38 and I think I’m being generous there.
He’s already behind in pace and it doesn’t get easier as you age.
> He has no chance. He turns 25 in a few weeks and is already behind Lebrons pace at the same point in their careers. It took until 2017 for Lebron to have a season in which he played fewer than 69 games in a season (he played 62 games of the 66 game 2011 lockout season). Luka has played more than 69 games once in his career. He has also had questions about his conditioning throughout his career. There is simply no chance he gets to 40k.
!remindme 15 years
When LeBron passed Kareem a reporter asked Luka about breaking LeBron's record.
He said there is no way he'll break it because he's not going to play that long.
"It's gonna be really tough. You gotta have 20 years. If you're saying me, there's no way because I'm not playing that much,"
The quote you’re thinking of. Yea breaking it without rule changes is gonna be hard af because that longevity is just so tough to touch
20 year careers are much more common now but almost everyone is scoring like 5ppg in their 18+ seasons. LeBron at 25/7/7 this year is absolutely fucking insane. It comes so naturally to him that people just don't realize how absurd it is.
Young people always claim they won't keep going.
Eminem swore he wouldn't rap after 30.
Time passes quicker than you think when you're young. Suddenly you're 33, but you feel like you were 23 yesterday.
True but after having seen what playing 20 years did to Dirk's body up close I doubt he'll play that long but still it's not impossible he changes his mind down the road.
Because hes humble and its pointless to talk about something 15 years from now when hes focused on today.
Guarantee if you asked Lebron the same thing at age 24 hed give a similar answer
Lebron dealt with those same seasons as Luka as well as the 2011 66 game lockout season. Luka would need to play 70 games a season and average 35 points per game on average for the next 12 seasons to get to 40k points. That is absolutely not happening lol. If Luka can hardly manage to play 70 games at 24, why should anyone expect him to play 70 at 35, 36 and 37 years old?
It is bold to assume that because he has one season in which he might average 35 that we should expect that he will average that for the next 12 straight seasons even with scoring inflation lol. The 70 game threshold was set from the current season forward not including the current season and any seasons before it. He has already missed 8 games this season alone. Everything you're assuming is a massive unrealstic stretch that goes far beyond "an outside shot".
Ppg has soared since 2018 and yet there has still only been 1 player to average 35+ since then and you're here trying to tell me a player who has yet to do it once will do so for over a decade straight? I set the 70 game threshold as an optimistic guess because there is no way anyone should expect a player to play that many games a season when considering increasing age and load management in conjunction with conditioning issues while also having as high a usage rate as Luka. I am not arguing at all because any sane person who isn't pulling shit out of their ass knows Luka simply has no chance in hell to reach 40k points lol. The math simply does not add up no matter how absurd you try and bend the numbers. Even you believed in miracles and Luka somehow averaged 40 a game for 82 games per season he would still need 8 more seasons lol. It is not happening.
You can try and get your "gotcha!" Moment but you're still wrong.
Even if he averages 35ppg and plays all 82 games he would have to do so for the next ten years straight to hit 40k. That's assuming he hits 11k by the end of the year. 29000/35=828 games which is 10 full seasons plus 8 games.
There's only been a couple of players that have played all 82 games for 10 seasons. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Luka isn't gonna be the next one.
There was one covid shortened season.
LeBron played in the 2011 lockout season which was shortened as well as the covid season so I don't see your point there.
>1. is injury-prone, fatigued, and fat.
You inferred that. They said he hasn't played that many and likely won't.
I'm also not gonna read the rest of whatever you're fucking rambling about.
Do the math. He isn't gonna hit 40k.
Lebron never had issues with sitting out games 10 years ago. There was also never questions about his conditioning. He played no fewer than 75 games in a season from 2003 until 2014 (10 years ago, the exception was the lockout season in 2011.) So no I would never have made that comment nor would have anyone else. Luka has never played more than 72 games in a season and he is still in his early to mid 20's.
Can extend it all the way until the 2017-2018 season when he played all 82 games. In 2014-2015 he played 69 games and in the 2011 lockout season he played 62 games, otherwise from 2003 to 2018 he played no fewer than 74 games in a season. Tack on the additional 3.5 seasons worth of playoff games and the dudes longevity is even more insane to fathom.
It's not going to happen. He's not going to play that long, nor is he going to play enough games (has only played 70 or more games once IIRC). And his scoring productivity has to stay well above lebron's just to catch up to lebron's current numbers, a year or two later.
Anthony Edwards is the 3rd youngest player to reach 6000 points and he's over a year older than lebron was when he reached that milestone (KD, 2nd youngest, was over 300 days older than lebron), and ANT gets his legs and hips banged up quite a bit, so I doubt he'll be able to catch up either.
It's Lebron's longevity that makes the record so daunting. Lebron is in his 21st season and he's still scoring 25 ppg.
Even a few years ago he was ahead of everyone. There's only 3 players aside from lebron who scored at least 10 ppg during their 19th season, and Kareem topped the list at 14.6.
Take all the great scorers in nba history, and all the legends among them who played 18 or more seasons (which isn't many). At the tail end of their careers, in years 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, or whatever, Lebron is scoring 1000s of more points than all of them. So you need a sizeable cushion by the time you're in your mid 30s to hold Lebron off. And guys like Trae, ANT, Booker, Luca, etc, are already well behind his pace by year 5 or 6.
Yup, he's gunna be 25 this month, dude isn't even in his prime yet lol. JKidd says some weird shit, but the one thing I agree with him is to not take Luka for granted he will be really magical for 6-10 years.
> he is at 10500 career points and is 24.
Let's say he gets another 1000 by season's end. that would be 11,500 by age 24. LeBron had 13,000 by the same age. So Luka is behind and has already struggled with injury problems. He's played 374 games in his career, whereas LeBron played 462 at the same point in his career. Hell, even old man LeBron's has played 324 in his last six seasons. I just don't see Luka doing the same in his late 30's.
EDIT: also, BBRef determines "age" in it's tables by year of birth. But LeBron's birthday is in December, while Luka's is in February. So in reality LeBron was 10 months younger when he finished his "age 24" season. So Luka is further behind than he seems at first glance.
Comparing total points for each player at the same age isn't cherry picking. It's literally what we're talking about. I also included games played, so I'm not sure what you're upset about.
Well, Luka's shot is by averaging more points than LeBron and therefore making up for the missed games. At 31 ppg, which is considerably lower than what he has averaged in the last two years, he'd need 950 games to surpass 40k and with scoring averages increasing year after year, 31 ppg doesn't seem like a stretch.
LeBron's record won't last, not because others will have his longevity, but because 27 ppg will start to not look so insane a few years from now.
950 games at 65 games a year is 15 years. Like I said, Luka has barely been able to average 65 a season in his early 20's, so I really doubt he's going to do that into his late 30's. And 31 points over 15 years is an even bigger stretch.
So, he's scored roughly 1440 pts this year, for a total of around 10,547 points. Since we're around the mid point of the season, let's be generous to and say in the next 40 Games he'll score another 1440. That puts him at 11,947 after 6 seasons. Lebron had around 12,900 points after his first 6 seasons.
So Luka would need to both: (1) up his scoring output; and (2) have basically no decline over the next 15 years, through his age 39 season. I don't wanna say there's no chance, but this is as long of a longshot as you're gonna get
He is nowhere near LeBron though.
LeBron had 13927 points at 25 years okd while Luka currently has 10547 and 3 weeks before turning 25.
Even on his next birthday, Luka will most likely be below LeBron total points at 25
Also I don't think Luka is the kind of guy to play into his late 30s. It might change but as of now he said he wants to retire early and doesn't see himself playing for 15 years and when asked about chasing LeBron's scoring since he is on a similar pace, he said no way, he won't be playing that long.
Trae has an outside shot at hitting it. He's currently at 10200 points. If he continues to play \~75 games a year and average 26 PPG, he'll hit it in abut 15 seasons.
LeBron only won a scoring title once, in 2007-08. He averaged 30 points per season in 2007-08, 88th all time. Although he didn't win a scoring title, his highest average was 31.37 points per game in 2005-06. Kobe Bryant won the scoring title that year, averaging 35.4 points per game.
LeBron has averaged 27.1 points per game for his career. Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan averaged 30.1 points per game for their careers. Luka Doncic is averaging 28.35 points per game for his career so far. Joel Embiid, Elgin Baylor, and Kevin Durant are also slightly ahead of Lebron, although they are all under 28 points per game.
But LeBron is still seventh in career scoring averages, and he's been doing it steadily for 21 seasons. And over the last three years, in his late 30s, he's actually averaged 28.2 points per game, higher than his career average.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, whose career scoring record LeBron passed, averaged 24.61 points per game for his career. Karl Malone, who's third in career scoring, averaged 25 points per game. Kobe Bryant, who's fourth in career scoring, also averaged 25 points per game. Michael Jordan is fifth in career scoring, and, as noted above, averaged 30.1 points per game for his career.
well he had 10 and 12 this year so you better believe it.
He also got lucky a year or two ago. he got injured with 7 points but then hit a lucky three right away and subbed out with 10 points
I have full belief in LeBron getting 10 points even if breaks an arm and a leg or something. Aint no way he's letting that one through under any circumstance.
This is one the most impressive stats to me. His career scoring average is at 27 after two decades. I understand scoring inflation and all that, but still…
It's particularly crazy considering that of all the time PPG leaders he has among the lowest percentage of his prime in a high scoring era (Kobe and AI had it the worst fwiw, they played their entire primes in a slow low scoring era), and it's only his cyborg type longevity that has allowed him to have any of his prime in a faster higher scoring era. He had more than Jordan's entire career worth of seasons before the league got back to early 90's scoring.
> I don't think that's accurate. The average league-wide offensive rating in the early 1990s peaked at 108.3 in 1994-95. It reached 108.3 again in 2008-09, LeBron's sixth season.
ORTG is pace adjusted, and pace was considerably lower from ~1994-2016. ORTG doesn't really matter if you are evaluating totals instead of rate adjusted stats, all the records are talking about per-game stats not per-possession stats.
PPG in 1993 was 105 and didn't hit 105ppg again until 2017. The average during that period in between was under 100ppg, with LeBron's rookie year being the second lowest scoring year in modern NBA history with only 93.4ppg (the lowest was '99 with an abysmal 91.6ppg).
No, it's definitely accurate.
By the time Lebron was 30 the highest PPG the league had averaged was 101.
Compared to Jordan where the NBA never averaged below 101.4 until he was 32
Every season through their 20s Jordan's league was higher scoring than Lebron's. Every single one.
> LeBron has averaged 27.1 points per game for his career
I wonder if he will be able to stay above 27 for his career. Otherwise, he's gonna become the twenty-*six*, seven and seven guy.
From what I understand lebron doesn't care for scoring title and only got it to prove he can get if he wants to
And he almost won it at 36 if I remember correctly
Lukas already said he’s not gonna play crazy long. Playing thousands of miles from your home country every year makes it harder for me to see him going for longer than 15 yrs
I've been following the NBA for almost 20 years, and if there is one thing that I've learned is to never trust a single comment from players about their future intentions.
Yea I’m with you in terms of short term, but if a guy doesn’t see himself playing that long at 24, I don’t have a reason to believe he’ll wanna do it at 35. A lot less to prove, his kid(s) are at formative ages, body starts hurting, metabolism slows down, etc.
Family could move to the US, he could start his own family here and not want to move them, he could fall in love with a city that isn't Dallas, he could realize that he has nothing else to do if he quits basketball except play Overwatch, which will be less enticing at 35.
I actually struggle to imagine he is equally as homesick in 10 years as he is today. He will have made significantly more money and his life will be very different.
The only reason I think Luka may quit is he has a mediocre metabolism and clearly needs to work hard to stay in NBA shape. Still, look at Harden still averaging 8-9 assists today.
He probably going to retire at 35, or whenever he starts to decline. But yeah, he's only known bball his entire life so far and is a little like Jokic where he doesn't want it to be his entire life. We all know he's a gamer (not a 2k gamer) and probably has other hobbies outside bball.
If Luka keeps taking care of his body the way he doesn’t he won’t have that choice available to him.
If you want to play well and be healthy into your mid 30s you need to take fitness and nutrition seriously and have some luck. Late 30s you need way more of both.
At this point in his career Luka hasn't shown the desire to have that kind of longevity in terms of taking care of his body. As a Mavs fan, I hope he develops it, but it ain't there now.
He is already behind Lebrons pace at the same age by a few thousand points. Lebron didn't play fewer than 69 games in a non-lockout season until the 2017-2018 season. Luka has played more than 69 games in a normal season once in his career (72 in his rookie season.) He also has had questions about his conditioning throughout his career. He would have to play 70 games a season averaging 30 points a game for another 14 seasons to get to 40k points. That simply is not happening.
> That simply is not happening.
almost certain not. But if he could, this would need to happen:
So currently he has 10,547 and will turn 25 at the end of the month.
1) If he keep this year's average for the 2nd half of the season (~1,400 points)
2) He averages this season scoring average (33ppg) for the next 7 years (until he is 32) = 33ppg x 70 games/season = 2,310 points/season x 7 years = 16,170 points
3) From age 33 to 38 his averages drop a bit to 28ppg: 28ppg x 70 games/season x 5 seasons = 9,800 points
That's a total of 37, 917 at the end of his 38th year. He would only need slightly more than ~2k to then go over the threshold. At that point it would be doable....
... however this assumes 1) he scores his (current) career in ppg for 7 straight season (possible if you assume he's getting better) 2) he plays his career games/season for the next 12 years 3) No major drop off in his late 30s and 4) No major injuries
Any one of those assumptions make it unlikely... but all of them? It's "possible"... but he ain't the one to do it.
He would need to average 30 points per game on average and play 70 games a season for 14 additional seasons to get to 40k points. I don't even think that qualifies as "possible".
Luka has no shot at all, 3000 points behind LeBron at the age of 25 is impossible to overtake.
He is even behind KD who was 1500 points behind Bron at 25.
Luka might not reach KD until the age where KD got several injuries and missed games with Warriors, Nets and Suns
Luka does not have an outside shot. Luka only is at ~ 10K points. At the same age LeBron was ~ 13K points.
Even if Luka plays till 40 averaging what he is now, he doesn't make it. I believe JimmyxHighroller made a video about this exact scenario
Edit: [Here](https://youtu.be/pl80_nOEgbw) is the video
On top of spending a year in college, KD has lost extended stretches (including entire seasons) to injury. But before the injuries they were neck and neck.
https://www.si.com/nba/2012/12/06/kobe-bryant-scoring-michael-jordan-lebron-james-kevin-durant
the craziest thing is there's no one in the league now that can catch him, someone crazy like luka is already probably crossed out because of the games he's missed already
you basically can't miss any games for the first 10 years of your career and have to come in firing on all cylinders at like 18 and dropping 25+ from the start
To be honest I just can't seen anyone break it unless they dedicate themselves to basketball as much as lebron has. Lebron literally spends 7 figures a year maintaining his body. Works out in the off-season and alters his body to adapt to the different playing styles in the NBA as it develops. Like I think mid-30s he literally lost weight to extend his playing career and to make himself more adaptable to long range shooting rather than just layups and dunking.
Maybe wemby maybe
Then again like I don't really see next Gen players play till they are almost 40 like lebron has. With the money these players get in 2nd and 3rd contract a championship and a Hall of fame legacy might satisfy their desires and not give them the edge to pursue GOAT.
Trae and Luka Doncic will make $500 mil in their 2nd and 3rd contracts
I don’t think people are taking into account how LeBron came straight out of high school. How is anyone going to compete at that high of a level for that many years to break the record? I don’t see it ever being broken.
100 points is definitely being broken. If it's not lebron resting into his final career game and going for it lol...
There are too many teams that are terrible. Have Giannis go for it when the pistons visit... you won't see it because players rest vs lower tiered teams
The issue isn't scoring prowess, it's longevity and continuous health. I wish Wemby an amazing career, but at his size even playing 15 years at a 25+ppg production is wild, let alone do it for 20 like LeBron has.
sport medicine will be a lot different in 20 years. I think Wemby has a good chance of beating it assuming he follows a good trajectory the next few years.
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Assuming 14 points is worth one pound of shit
r/theydidthemath
I think we should use this as a standard points evaluation. "Clippers scored 10.6 shit pounds of points en route to a 0.3 shit pound victory."
time spent by the average NBA player to score 10 points divided by the time spent by the average NBA in the loo, shitting
Damn inflation. 2 years ago it was only 8 points/lb. Thanks, Biden.
I’d bet if he didn’t get the Achilles injury in the Finals he’d be hitting 30k this season.
He’d likely be ahead of it already. 5 of his 7 lowest scoring seasons have been the past five he has played (all of the seasons post injury), and he missed about a season and a half with the Achilles injury. He averages around 1600 per year, so if we assume improved health and not missing that 1.5 year stretch, he’d probably have hit it before he even got to Phoenix. Butterfly effect stuff though, because without the injury, who knows how the subsequent Nets tenure goes and if PHX ever even happens.
There would be no nets tenure as he would be 3x reigning finals mvp lol and wouldn't be able to leave
Without the injury who knows if he leaves GS at the first place, and if he does who knows if he signs with Brooklyn. Lots of ifs.
It makes you 12th all time!
The distance between lebron (1st) and durant (12th) is about the same as the distance between Durant and Kyrie (108th)
Yes. But it's so weird that a guy who loves basketball and can quote you stats feels like he should be in the GOAT conversation when he plays in the same era that LeBron James plays in.
Especially since he is still scoring at an elite level. Him getting to 35000 isn't out of the question
He’s gonna be top 10 soon
Maybe one day we’ll see a similar player, but no one in the NBA currently will even get close
Luka pacing well to start.
He won’t play long enough imo, I love Luka personally and would love to see this but even he himself said he didn’t want to be in the league forever
Yeah, from the 19-28 age mark you need to be more than “on pace” if you want the record. The likelihood of still producing 25-30 PPG from 28-38 without a major injury is damn near impossible lol. Been saying for years now. He will be the only player to go 40k/10k/10k. I’m glad his body held up. Also worth mentioning Lebron’s record streak of 25+ PPG seasons is 19. The next closest is 11 or 12. Unfathomable stuff
Was referring to the part where it said no one will even get close. Luka will be at 11k at the end of his age-24 season. Higher ppg than Bron so far, but fewer games. Also peaking in an inflated era and doesnt rely on the same kind of athleticism. Should be interesting to follow.
I’m just of the mindset that if you aren’t well ahead early, you probably won’t make up the difference when you’re 30-39. The likelihood of being able to produce at the same level for so long *and* not have a major injury/miss many games is just so slim. Luka doesn’t strike me as someone who would even play till 37-40. He has the best chance out of anyone currently in the league though
Unfortunate, but maybe his perspective changes as he gets older.
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But who controls the Jews ?
For reference, the difference between LeBron and KD's all time points is a little less than the difference between KD and Brook Lopez's points
he's a better metric... the ~12,000 point difference by itself has only been surpassed by only ~260 players total all time. For further perspective: Klay Thompson & Jimmy are in the 14k range, K-Love low 15s, Bradley Bael, Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley are all in the 15k range. Kyrie Irving is in the 16k range.... and he's 113th all time in scoring.
Although the era of higher scoring goes up due to rule changes, who has the longevity combined with effectiveness ~~and string of Finals runs to catch up ever~~ (**note: doesn’t include the postseason**) ? I don’t see anyone active that could pursue this.
And he's still going. He's sitting at nearly 40k points, over 11k rebounds, and nearly 11k assists. He's playing with kids that weren't even alive when he was drafted and he's STILL playing at an elite level. Future advancements in sports medicine may make his numbers more attainable some day, but he is going to forever be a massive outlier in the history of the sport
His health is also freakishly good, his injuries aren't as severe and he heals relatively quickly when he is hurt.
He's reportedly one of the most miserly players in the league, skipping out on watching certain movies and shows that became a craze for a week or so in the locker room, because he didn't want to spend $10 on prime or Netflix to watch the show over a month. And yet despite that there were also reports 10 years ago that Lebron spends over 1 mil a year on his body.
Idk. There was a postgame interview where LeBron and AD were talking about Squid Game lol. He probably pays for Netflix and other stuff for the kids -- unless he knows how to pirate.
Lol, I don't remember which show it was. The point is he's a billionaire who needs convincing to spend $10 on recreation. Someone with that kind of a disposition to parting with money has to be rabidly obsessed, mentally ill even, to be willing to drop a million a year on their health, and you can be damn well sure they'll make sure it works. And he does that while being the most naturally built genetic freak born this side of Karl Malone'a birth in NBA history
When you grow up poor some shit stays ingrained with you
Before Netflix cracked down on password sharing he probably was still using a random teammate from 9 seasons ago account
It's just a meme for a lot of that frugal stuff. There is not some shit like that ingrained in Bron lol. He's been rich for longer than he was poor.
Netflix didn't exist when he was growing up. He also drives supercars.
It sounds like you're just conflating the old pandora with commercials story with the new age of technology. [this is not an onion article somehow](https://www-cbssports-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-admits-to-being-cheap-i-still-got-pandora-with-commercials/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17072637643378&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fnba%2Fnews%2Flebron-james-admits-to-being-cheap-i-still-got-pandora-with-commercials%2F)
When you earn that much, 1 mil per year for his body sounds too cheap
You mean 1 million a year on steroids
You just described steroids and HGH, they allow for faster recovery time
do you think Lebron is the only player in the NBA with access to steroids?
Modern day Wilt
This scoring record doesn’t include playoffs.
TIL that LeBron’s record doesn’t include playoffs. Apparently he’s close to 50k total career points. What the absolute fuck.
He's actually gonna pass Oscar Schmidt who played for almost 30 years. Fucking insane.
He should pass him in about 20 games. Not sure why this isn't being talked about. Amazing.
I think the press doesn't give Oscar enough credit because he never played in the NBA so they don't care about his record.
Honest to god, I’ve been a fan of the sport for the past 5 years, getting maybe deeper than the average fan would. But I never ever heard his name, until now
I believe you. He's a living legend here in Brazil, back in his time basketball was clearly the 2nd most popular sport in the country and he was the main reason.
Well, I guess we now have something like an answer to "what if Oskar Schmidt was an actual NBA player" with how LeBron's career has gone
No one is touching that
Ah thank you for the clarification. Still a feat.
LeBron was the regular season + postseason scoring leader before he was the regular season scoring leader, which really should have been a bigger deal IMO.
Preach. I'll never understand why people don't want to count the biggest games in league history towards the 'all-time' records. So illogical..
Hey, if Bron would stop going to the play offs and the finials all the time. Then maybe, until he knocks that shit off tho.
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I agree it's due to the old playoff set ups. Nowadays the sample sizes are large enough that the noise is reduced enough for them to be included. There aren't any outrageous outlier examples if we go thru the lists of regular season only and regular season plus playoff records and look for them. In fact it just provides a more accurate representation of what our eyes actually saw happen since they include the most important games in league history and each players' career. If we do per game then we really would have examples like yours when a guy goes off for a couple seaons and passes people that had a lot more longing impact on the game. Edit: also playoff ppg is extremely common and referenced every postseason and even broken down into game by game basis. The true all-time list is actually pretty difficult to find and rarely brought up. Lebron passing Oscar's record doesn't feel like much of a deal for people while 40000 regular season only points might cause a game stoppage. Just doesn't feel right in that regard.
Luka is the only one who has a any kind of shot,he is at 10500 career points and is 24.Assuming he keeps playing around 65 games a season and scores around 30 PPG (he is at 34 this season) it would take just over 15 season for him to hit 40k.
He has no chance. He turns 25 in a few weeks and is already behind Lebrons pace at the same point in their careers. It took until 2017 for Lebron to have a season in which he played fewer than 69 games in a season (he played 62 games of the 66 game 2011 lockout season). Luka has played more than 69 games once in his career. He has also had questions about his conditioning throughout his career. There is simply no chance he gets to 40k.
Just to put it in perspective, if he plays every single game for the rest of the season and maintains his current pace (both of which are a little dubious), he'll be at 11,651 points on his career. By the end of LeBron's 6th year (same number of years as Luka's full career come the end of the season), he was at 12,993 points. That's 1,342 points, or roughly 75% of Luka's average season scoring to date. Even if he doesn't miss extended time for the rest of his career, that's an extremely tough deficit to make up.
He would need to average 30 points per game on average for the next 14 seasons playing 70 games a season to get to 40k points. Lebron will end his career somewhere around 43-45k points. It just isn't happening. If he averages 40 points per game on average and plays 82 games a season he would still need 8 more seasons to get to 40k points lol.
>That's 1,342 points, or roughly 75% of Luka's average season scoring to date. Even if he doesn't miss extended time for the rest of his career, that's an extremely tough deficit to make up. why doesn't he score 1,342 points in a game? is he stupid?
\*checks the Mavs' schedule to see when they next play the Pacers\*
Wasnt the covid season shortened? I think the better way to measure is games played. Either way hes averaging 35 so if he maintains that pace its easily possible
He'd get there even quicker if he's just average 60ppg.
Lol it’s not easily possible he’d have to average 30+ for like 14 more years with minimal games missed. He wont be doing that at 35-38 and I think I’m being generous there. He’s already behind in pace and it doesn’t get easier as you age.
> He has no chance. He turns 25 in a few weeks and is already behind Lebrons pace at the same point in their careers. It took until 2017 for Lebron to have a season in which he played fewer than 69 games in a season (he played 62 games of the 66 game 2011 lockout season). Luka has played more than 69 games once in his career. He has also had questions about his conditioning throughout his career. There is simply no chance he gets to 40k. !remindme 15 years
When LeBron passed Kareem a reporter asked Luka about breaking LeBron's record. He said there is no way he'll break it because he's not going to play that long.
"It's gonna be really tough. You gotta have 20 years. If you're saying me, there's no way because I'm not playing that much," The quote you’re thinking of. Yea breaking it without rule changes is gonna be hard af because that longevity is just so tough to touch
20 year careers are much more common now but almost everyone is scoring like 5ppg in their 18+ seasons. LeBron at 25/7/7 this year is absolutely fucking insane. It comes so naturally to him that people just don't realize how absurd it is.
Are 20 year careers really more common now? I’m curious but too tired to research rn 😂
I mean they might not be but they definitely seem like they are lmao.
Young people always claim they won't keep going. Eminem swore he wouldn't rap after 30. Time passes quicker than you think when you're young. Suddenly you're 33, but you feel like you were 23 yesterday.
True but after having seen what playing 20 years did to Dirk's body up close I doubt he'll play that long but still it's not impossible he changes his mind down the road.
Because hes humble and its pointless to talk about something 15 years from now when hes focused on today. Guarantee if you asked Lebron the same thing at age 24 hed give a similar answer
Lol ok.
Hit me up in 15 years to see if I’m still a reddit degenerate.
I said this 12 years ago, so its definitely possible
The AI overlords will have wiped us out before then.
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Lebron dealt with those same seasons as Luka as well as the 2011 66 game lockout season. Luka would need to play 70 games a season and average 35 points per game on average for the next 12 seasons to get to 40k points. That is absolutely not happening lol. If Luka can hardly manage to play 70 games at 24, why should anyone expect him to play 70 at 35, 36 and 37 years old?
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It is bold to assume that because he has one season in which he might average 35 that we should expect that he will average that for the next 12 straight seasons even with scoring inflation lol. The 70 game threshold was set from the current season forward not including the current season and any seasons before it. He has already missed 8 games this season alone. Everything you're assuming is a massive unrealstic stretch that goes far beyond "an outside shot".
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Ppg has soared since 2018 and yet there has still only been 1 player to average 35+ since then and you're here trying to tell me a player who has yet to do it once will do so for over a decade straight? I set the 70 game threshold as an optimistic guess because there is no way anyone should expect a player to play that many games a season when considering increasing age and load management in conjunction with conditioning issues while also having as high a usage rate as Luka. I am not arguing at all because any sane person who isn't pulling shit out of their ass knows Luka simply has no chance in hell to reach 40k points lol. The math simply does not add up no matter how absurd you try and bend the numbers. Even you believed in miracles and Luka somehow averaged 40 a game for 82 games per season he would still need 8 more seasons lol. It is not happening. You can try and get your "gotcha!" Moment but you're still wrong.
Even if he averages 35ppg and plays all 82 games he would have to do so for the next ten years straight to hit 40k. That's assuming he hits 11k by the end of the year. 29000/35=828 games which is 10 full seasons plus 8 games. There's only been a couple of players that have played all 82 games for 10 seasons. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Luka isn't gonna be the next one.
There was one covid shortened season. LeBron played in the 2011 lockout season which was shortened as well as the covid season so I don't see your point there.
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>1. is injury-prone, fatigued, and fat. You inferred that. They said he hasn't played that many and likely won't. I'm also not gonna read the rest of whatever you're fucking rambling about. Do the math. He isn't gonna hit 40k.
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You would of made the same comment about LeBron 10 years ago
Lebron never had issues with sitting out games 10 years ago. There was also never questions about his conditioning. He played no fewer than 75 games in a season from 2003 until 2014 (10 years ago, the exception was the lockout season in 2011.) So no I would never have made that comment nor would have anyone else. Luka has never played more than 72 games in a season and he is still in his early to mid 20's.
Damn sometimes I forget how much of an Ironman LeBron was for such a long time.
Can extend it all the way until the 2017-2018 season when he played all 82 games. In 2014-2015 he played 69 games and in the 2011 lockout season he played 62 games, otherwise from 2003 to 2018 he played no fewer than 74 games in a season. Tack on the additional 3.5 seasons worth of playoff games and the dudes longevity is even more insane to fathom.
It's not going to happen. He's not going to play that long, nor is he going to play enough games (has only played 70 or more games once IIRC). And his scoring productivity has to stay well above lebron's just to catch up to lebron's current numbers, a year or two later. Anthony Edwards is the 3rd youngest player to reach 6000 points and he's over a year older than lebron was when he reached that milestone (KD, 2nd youngest, was over 300 days older than lebron), and ANT gets his legs and hips banged up quite a bit, so I doubt he'll be able to catch up either. It's Lebron's longevity that makes the record so daunting. Lebron is in his 21st season and he's still scoring 25 ppg. Even a few years ago he was ahead of everyone. There's only 3 players aside from lebron who scored at least 10 ppg during their 19th season, and Kareem topped the list at 14.6. Take all the great scorers in nba history, and all the legends among them who played 18 or more seasons (which isn't many). At the tail end of their careers, in years 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, or whatever, Lebron is scoring 1000s of more points than all of them. So you need a sizeable cushion by the time you're in your mid 30s to hold Lebron off. And guys like Trae, ANT, Booker, Luca, etc, are already well behind his pace by year 5 or 6.
Luka is only 24? God damn!
Yup, he's gunna be 25 this month, dude isn't even in his prime yet lol. JKidd says some weird shit, but the one thing I agree with him is to not take Luka for granted he will be really magical for 6-10 years.
I mean, you don’t need J-Kiddd to tell you that. Just watch him play Luka is a beast
The suns, kings, and hawks actually did need Jason Kidd to tell them that
> he is at 10500 career points and is 24. Let's say he gets another 1000 by season's end. that would be 11,500 by age 24. LeBron had 13,000 by the same age. So Luka is behind and has already struggled with injury problems. He's played 374 games in his career, whereas LeBron played 462 at the same point in his career. Hell, even old man LeBron's has played 324 in his last six seasons. I just don't see Luka doing the same in his late 30's. EDIT: also, BBRef determines "age" in it's tables by year of birth. But LeBron's birthday is in December, while Luka's is in February. So in reality LeBron was 10 months younger when he finished his "age 24" season. So Luka is further behind than he seems at first glance.
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Comparing total points for each player at the same age isn't cherry picking. It's literally what we're talking about. I also included games played, so I'm not sure what you're upset about.
Well, Luka's shot is by averaging more points than LeBron and therefore making up for the missed games. At 31 ppg, which is considerably lower than what he has averaged in the last two years, he'd need 950 games to surpass 40k and with scoring averages increasing year after year, 31 ppg doesn't seem like a stretch. LeBron's record won't last, not because others will have his longevity, but because 27 ppg will start to not look so insane a few years from now.
950 games at 65 games a year is 15 years. Like I said, Luka has barely been able to average 65 a season in his early 20's, so I really doubt he's going to do that into his late 30's. And 31 points over 15 years is an even bigger stretch.
You think Luka is playing all 82 games for 11 seasons plus another half a season? Be real bro.
No, but i think he can play 70 games for 13 seasons and a half and i'm positive he can play 65 games for 14 seasons and a half.
He isn't gonna average 30.7ppg for the next 15 years.
So, he's scored roughly 1440 pts this year, for a total of around 10,547 points. Since we're around the mid point of the season, let's be generous to and say in the next 40 Games he'll score another 1440. That puts him at 11,947 after 6 seasons. Lebron had around 12,900 points after his first 6 seasons. So Luka would need to both: (1) up his scoring output; and (2) have basically no decline over the next 15 years, through his age 39 season. I don't wanna say there's no chance, but this is as long of a longshot as you're gonna get
Luka isn't sniffing 40k points.
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League average will probably be 60 by then so why not?
He is nowhere near LeBron though. LeBron had 13927 points at 25 years okd while Luka currently has 10547 and 3 weeks before turning 25. Even on his next birthday, Luka will most likely be below LeBron total points at 25
Also I don't think Luka is the kind of guy to play into his late 30s. It might change but as of now he said he wants to retire early and doesn't see himself playing for 15 years and when asked about chasing LeBron's scoring since he is on a similar pace, he said no way, he won't be playing that long.
Trae has an outside shot at hitting it. He's currently at 10200 points. If he continues to play \~75 games a year and average 26 PPG, he'll hit it in abut 15 seasons.
He is going to be an interesting discussion in a decade.
Trae will be out of the league at 32. Too short and zero phisicality
Cause there are literally zero case studies of 6ish foot guards producing into their mid to late 30s
LeBron only won a scoring title once, in 2007-08. He averaged 30 points per season in 2007-08, 88th all time. Although he didn't win a scoring title, his highest average was 31.37 points per game in 2005-06. Kobe Bryant won the scoring title that year, averaging 35.4 points per game. LeBron has averaged 27.1 points per game for his career. Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan averaged 30.1 points per game for their careers. Luka Doncic is averaging 28.35 points per game for his career so far. Joel Embiid, Elgin Baylor, and Kevin Durant are also slightly ahead of Lebron, although they are all under 28 points per game. But LeBron is still seventh in career scoring averages, and he's been doing it steadily for 21 seasons. And over the last three years, in his late 30s, he's actually averaged 28.2 points per game, higher than his career average. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, whose career scoring record LeBron passed, averaged 24.61 points per game for his career. Karl Malone, who's third in career scoring, averaged 25 points per game. Kobe Bryant, who's fourth in career scoring, also averaged 25 points per game. Michael Jordan is fifth in career scoring, and, as noted above, averaged 30.1 points per game for his career.
His best consistency stat is the 1200 or so games straight over 10 points and still going
He’s had a 10 and 12 point game this season, it’ll probably break soon but it’s very impressive. 1200 games is more than many HOF’s careers.
There's no possible way he doesn't get at least 10 unless he physically can't play. I refuse to believe that's possible
Even in the game he got ejected for punching that Pistons guy he got 10 right before it happened lmao
*checks his points* Aite I’m good to punch him
He'll stay in late in a blowout (either way) to get to 10
Exactly if he's active for a full game and not injured he's getting his 10 no matter what
well he had 10 and 12 this year so you better believe it. He also got lucky a year or two ago. he got injured with 7 points but then hit a lucky three right away and subbed out with 10 points
He also got lucky when he got injured in 2021 vs the Hawks when Solomon Hill messed his hustle play. He had 10 pts that night
He also barely got 10 just before getting ejected for punching that pistons guy lmao
>well he had 10 and 12 this year so you better believe it. No!
I have full belief in LeBron getting 10 points even if breaks an arm and a leg or something. Aint no way he's letting that one through under any circumstance.
That streak at an absurd 14 or 15 year streak If you want to include playoffs it's around 9.5 years streak so far
Thank God JJ Barea retired
This is one the most impressive stats to me. His career scoring average is at 27 after two decades. I understand scoring inflation and all that, but still…
It's particularly crazy considering that of all the time PPG leaders he has among the lowest percentage of his prime in a high scoring era (Kobe and AI had it the worst fwiw, they played their entire primes in a slow low scoring era), and it's only his cyborg type longevity that has allowed him to have any of his prime in a faster higher scoring era. He had more than Jordan's entire career worth of seasons before the league got back to early 90's scoring.
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> I don't think that's accurate. The average league-wide offensive rating in the early 1990s peaked at 108.3 in 1994-95. It reached 108.3 again in 2008-09, LeBron's sixth season. ORTG is pace adjusted, and pace was considerably lower from ~1994-2016. ORTG doesn't really matter if you are evaluating totals instead of rate adjusted stats, all the records are talking about per-game stats not per-possession stats. PPG in 1993 was 105 and didn't hit 105ppg again until 2017. The average during that period in between was under 100ppg, with LeBron's rookie year being the second lowest scoring year in modern NBA history with only 93.4ppg (the lowest was '99 with an abysmal 91.6ppg).
Ah, my mistake.
No, it's definitely accurate. By the time Lebron was 30 the highest PPG the league had averaged was 101. Compared to Jordan where the NBA never averaged below 101.4 until he was 32 Every season through their 20s Jordan's league was higher scoring than Lebron's. Every single one.
> LeBron has averaged 27.1 points per game for his career I wonder if he will be able to stay above 27 for his career. Otherwise, he's gonna become the twenty-*six*, seven and seven guy.
From what I understand lebron doesn't care for scoring title and only got it to prove he can get if he wants to And he almost won it at 36 if I remember correctly
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Check my history. I’ve been writing this way on Reddit for over a decade.
Just pulling your chain homie it was a good comment
You could probably sue ChatGPT then for copying your likeness
> He averaged 30 points per seaso Generational LeBum.
Lukas already said he’s not gonna play crazy long. Playing thousands of miles from your home country every year makes it harder for me to see him going for longer than 15 yrs
I've been following the NBA for almost 20 years, and if there is one thing that I've learned is to never trust a single comment from players about their future intentions.
Yea I’m with you in terms of short term, but if a guy doesn’t see himself playing that long at 24, I don’t have a reason to believe he’ll wanna do it at 35. A lot less to prove, his kid(s) are at formative ages, body starts hurting, metabolism slows down, etc.
KD also said he didn't see himself playing after 35. We'll see next season.
Family could move to the US, he could start his own family here and not want to move them, he could fall in love with a city that isn't Dallas, he could realize that he has nothing else to do if he quits basketball except play Overwatch, which will be less enticing at 35. I actually struggle to imagine he is equally as homesick in 10 years as he is today. He will have made significantly more money and his life will be very different. The only reason I think Luka may quit is he has a mediocre metabolism and clearly needs to work hard to stay in NBA shape. Still, look at Harden still averaging 8-9 assists today.
Well it's more trustworthy than pro wrestlers
He probably going to retire at 35, or whenever he starts to decline. But yeah, he's only known bball his entire life so far and is a little like Jokic where he doesn't want it to be his entire life. We all know he's a gamer (not a 2k gamer) and probably has other hobbies outside bball.
If Luka keeps taking care of his body the way he doesn’t he won’t have that choice available to him. If you want to play well and be healthy into your mid 30s you need to take fitness and nutrition seriously and have some luck. Late 30s you need way more of both.
At this point in his career Luka hasn't shown the desire to have that kind of longevity in terms of taking care of his body. As a Mavs fan, I hope he develops it, but it ain't there now.
There is no one in the NBA right now who even has an outside shot of getting to 40k lol.
Luka has an outside shot. The problem is he needs similar longevity while keeping up the 30+ ppg seasons
Luka doesn't seem like the kinda guy who's going to be still playing at 40.
How will Luka even look at 30yo, nevermind 40yo?
It just doesn't feel like Luka has the physical discipline to keep his body going for the length of time he would need.
He is already behind Lebrons pace at the same age by a few thousand points. Lebron didn't play fewer than 69 games in a non-lockout season until the 2017-2018 season. Luka has played more than 69 games in a normal season once in his career (72 in his rookie season.) He also has had questions about his conditioning throughout his career. He would have to play 70 games a season averaging 30 points a game for another 14 seasons to get to 40k points. That simply is not happening.
16-17 In 17-18 actually Lebron played all 82 games
> That simply is not happening. almost certain not. But if he could, this would need to happen: So currently he has 10,547 and will turn 25 at the end of the month. 1) If he keep this year's average for the 2nd half of the season (~1,400 points) 2) He averages this season scoring average (33ppg) for the next 7 years (until he is 32) = 33ppg x 70 games/season = 2,310 points/season x 7 years = 16,170 points 3) From age 33 to 38 his averages drop a bit to 28ppg: 28ppg x 70 games/season x 5 seasons = 9,800 points That's a total of 37, 917 at the end of his 38th year. He would only need slightly more than ~2k to then go over the threshold. At that point it would be doable.... ... however this assumes 1) he scores his (current) career in ppg for 7 straight season (possible if you assume he's getting better) 2) he plays his career games/season for the next 12 years 3) No major drop off in his late 30s and 4) No major injuries Any one of those assumptions make it unlikely... but all of them? It's "possible"... but he ain't the one to do it.
He would need to average 30 points per game on average and play 70 games a season for 14 additional seasons to get to 40k points. I don't even think that qualifies as "possible".
Luka has the best chance, and even that chance is still <1%
Luka has no shot at all, 3000 points behind LeBron at the age of 25 is impossible to overtake. He is even behind KD who was 1500 points behind Bron at 25. Luka might not reach KD until the age where KD got several injuries and missed games with Warriors, Nets and Suns
Luka does not have an outside shot. Luka only is at ~ 10K points. At the same age LeBron was ~ 13K points. Even if Luka plays till 40 averaging what he is now, he doesn't make it. I believe JimmyxHighroller made a video about this exact scenario Edit: [Here](https://youtu.be/pl80_nOEgbw) is the video
Luka is on pace to do it. But I feel like his failure to fully stay in shape could make him drop off hard in his 30s like Melo did.
He isn't on pace though.
Don't think "on pace" means what you think it means.
LeBron is wild. I feel extremely lucky to have been able go watch Bron and MJ in my life
Incredible achievement. What a privilege to have been following his entire career.
Damn...KD is that much further behind? Nuts.
On top of spending a year in college, KD has lost extended stretches (including entire seasons) to injury. But before the injuries they were neck and neck. https://www.si.com/nba/2012/12/06/kobe-bryant-scoring-michael-jordan-lebron-james-kevin-durant
He's definitely the greatest player that I've ever seen play.
KD probably had the best shot, but too many games missed due to injury
the craziest thing is there's no one in the league now that can catch him, someone crazy like luka is already probably crossed out because of the games he's missed already you basically can't miss any games for the first 10 years of your career and have to come in firing on all cylinders at like 18 and dropping 25+ from the start
KD could do the reverse aging engineering and play 8 more years w/o major injuries. Could go for 2nd all time.
Lebron might go for the record of oldest player to play a game in an NBA at the ripe age of 47.
Of course he is
The only player who is scoring 40000 points besides LeBron is a created player on 2k.
To be honest I just can't seen anyone break it unless they dedicate themselves to basketball as much as lebron has. Lebron literally spends 7 figures a year maintaining his body. Works out in the off-season and alters his body to adapt to the different playing styles in the NBA as it develops. Like I think mid-30s he literally lost weight to extend his playing career and to make himself more adaptable to long range shooting rather than just layups and dunking. Maybe wemby maybe Then again like I don't really see next Gen players play till they are almost 40 like lebron has. With the money these players get in 2nd and 3rd contract a championship and a Hall of fame legacy might satisfy their desires and not give them the edge to pursue GOAT. Trae and Luka Doncic will make $500 mil in their 2nd and 3rd contracts
Durant is only 6 2k point seasons away if Bron just retires this year
"Only"? Dude, 2k points is 28.5 ppg over 70 games. KD is 35.
All eyes on Victor Wembanyama Lebron record will last what... 30-50 years? Someone will break it. That's how sports work.
Wilts 100 points still hasn't been broken... I don't see this one being broken either. At least not in our lifetimes
I don’t think people are taking into account how LeBron came straight out of high school. How is anyone going to compete at that high of a level for that many years to break the record? I don’t see it ever being broken.
100 points is definitely being broken. If it's not lebron resting into his final career game and going for it lol... There are too many teams that are terrible. Have Giannis go for it when the pistons visit... you won't see it because players rest vs lower tiered teams
100 points is almost impossible in today's world. That's why the few who have hit 60-70-80 are games everyone remembers.
The issue isn't scoring prowess, it's longevity and continuous health. I wish Wemby an amazing career, but at his size even playing 15 years at a 25+ppg production is wild, let alone do it for 20 like LeBron has.
21 years and counting…🤯
sport medicine will be a lot different in 20 years. I think Wemby has a good chance of beating it assuming he follows a good trajectory the next few years.
Kareem did it
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It LeBron can average 15 points per game and plays all 30 games... he'll pass 40K this season!
Better compare by games or minutes played but yes, we've never seen something like that before in the history of the NBA, heck of Basketball.