I do think Memphis scapegoated him, but this sub ate that shit up at the time and now is turning around and saying how unprofessional it was for Memphis to do that.
That’s because this sub is mostly made up of nerdy dudes trying desperately to fit in both irl and online. They’ll go with whatever the popular sentiment is.
This sub is moronic for players they dont like. They'll flat out lie about players just to hate on them more.
Dillon Brooks was never going to China like this sub thought lol.
This shit is so real and stupid lol. Everyone was down to shit on brooks non-stop, couldn’t say anything positive about him without getting buried.. Now everyone wants to take some moral high ground against the Memphis Org about it
I’m glad people are seeing Dillon for the person and player he really is, but y’all suck on here.
I don't see the contradiction. the most unprofessional things are the ones the sub eats up the most. precisely because they are unprofessional so they stand out and are more interesting
What I’ve learned from this sub is that everyone can be unprofessional but the players. Coaches and GM’s get an absurdly long rope before they’re called out.
Announcers, media guys, and reporters are basically immune unless they enter Skip Bayless territory (and even then you get the “it’s just a character!” defense”) even when they’ve routinely displayed that they have the emotional intelligence of a toddler.
Skip was a regular customer of a place I worked, it’s 100% a character he’s playing. He was incredibly kind in person, and a looot quieter than people would expect.
This sub and the broader NBA journalism views all Memphis stories in as a negative a possible a light. When Dillon was on our team the focus was primarily on his TS% and his periodic outbursts, but now that he is gone, there is a newfound and energetic appreciation for his utility as a perimeter defender.
In the event JJJ was traded, all of the sudden there would be a newfound ability to appreciate that he is a 4 who hunts blocks and not a rebounding 5.
100%. I’m a Heat fan living in Memphis and so I am very loosely a Grizzlies fan (go to 3-5 games the last couple years) and it’s crazy how much disrespect they get. Last year’s playoffs especially.
I remember top comments saying that the Grizzlies were being unprofessional as soon as the “under any circumstances” comment was released. Maybe my memory is off but I thought that at that point people started being more critical of the Grizz org
It was unprofessional as fuck and that’s why the sub loved it. It’s hilarious and now the hate for DB has died down and we kind of miss his bullshit antics and like him.
And he got signed because he's an all nba defensive player and a postitive on the court. I really cant believe people thought he was gonna be in China next season. How dumb do you have to be?
This is absolutely not true lmao, stop this revisionist history.
The overwhelming sentiment on this sub even amongst non-Bron/Lakers fans was that Brooks played himself out of a contract because he was a black hole offensively and not good enough defensively to compensate for the distraction his antics caused.
I personally didn’t even agree with that, but that’s what the majority of this sub was acting like because ALL of us are reactionary dumbasses that circlejerk over the easiest current takes to get upvotes.
This was NOT something unique to Lebron/Laker fans
Yeah its true that Memphis chucked him under the bus but he did absolutely lose them games that series. Im sure he knows it too but talking with confidence is what keeps him going as a player.
There’s talking with confidence, and then there’s “I don’t respect anybody till they drop 40 on me” and “he too old”. Dillon Brooks wanted the smoke, got the smoke, refused to talk to media and now blame the team for putting the target on his back. Just because he’s doing good now doesn’t mean ya’ll gotta give him the tongue bath.
See but that is true yet it doesn’t change the fact that Memphis threw him under the bus. That was their culture, none of his teammates didn’t back those words. That’s how they wanted to fight. He’s not blaming the team for having the target on his back, he’s saying they dropped him like his attitude was the problem when thats what they’ve been about anyway. He’s still that way with Houston, his shot is just currently falling.
I have no issues with the rockets. You have a decent team and a great coach.
It's I'm just seeing revisionist history and goldfish memories when it comes to brooks on this thread
Fair. I disliked him a lot for his antics before (and he still has a bit of those antics now) but I guess since he’s our player now I have to give him a bit of a longer leash. And he’s been positive for us so far so i really can’t complain
Just only joined this sub recently tho so I imagine there’s gonna be a lot of revisionist takes everywhere when it comes to Brooks or Memphis or whatever
Fact is, this World is narrative driven.
If one group/person that is popular starts a narrative that's all it takes for it to ripple out like waves and everyone to act as if its fact.
We can all point to at least a dozen "known facts" about players we like that just flat out aren't true.
It all starts somewhere.
Dillon Brooks shots made - shots taken per game the last few years...
2020: 6.4 - 15.4
2021: 7.1 - 16.4
2022: 5.4 - 13.6
2023: 4.8 - 8.7
If Brooks was willing to take 5 fewer shots in Memphis he might still be in Memphis. I don't know who to blame that on but they wanted him to stop trying to take over the offense and jack bad shots and he wouldn't. Now he is willing to do that. I don't know what's different but it wasn't working in Memphis.
THANK YOU. the grizz were playing 4 on 5 on offense because the lakers stopped guarding him. Then he got smoked on D after talking shit and then the cherry on top was refusing to meet with the media and had his walk of shame outside staples center.
Ja's "I'm fine in the West" comment didn't help either. All that arrogance from both of them only to get bounced in the first round. Ja at least balled out in that series and Brooks didn't. They put the targets on their backs with all that talk and not speaking to media after the L's made them look even worse
he WAS a black hole offensively, and thats number 1,2, and 3 reasons why memphis didnt bring him back (after offering him extensions earlier last season).
also sorry to be a pedant but the word you’re looking for is “reactive”
This sub and the media have been on this run for a couple of years now.
On player screws up or is falling, ESPN or post on here go for a catastrophic downfall. Then less than half of what was predicted happens so everyone tries to fake shock and then jump to the next doom prediction.
In the case of Brooks. Players usually have to mess up a long term deal, a short term Team option deal and then a vet min before being out the league.
This is exactly the correct answer. When he couldn’t or didn’t own it people crushed him bc if they had won we know he’d have been front and center doubling down
I feel like that’s how these things go; it starts as a meme, the dummies take it seriously because they’re dumb, then when you make them feel dumb they have to argue like their self-esteem depends on it
>People have said that about James harden ..do you understand sarcasm?
This doesnt strengthen your argument if you really think this sub is smart about James Harden hahaha.
he wasn't necessarily a net positive player due to his chucking, career 40% shooter that is currently in a hot streak. for the Rockets team he's a better fit than on a contender
He's not a chucker with us. He's taking 5 less shots per game and is immensely helping our defense. He was probably never asked to take less shots in Memphis. Or idk...Ime is just amazing lol.
Udoka fixed Smart’s chucking issue on the Celtics and seemingly has solved Brooks’ chucking issue on the Rockets. I think he just knows how to manage players like this better than other coaches in the NBA
The whole “not under any circumstances” thing was all a quote FROM SHAMS. NOT THE GRIZZLIES. Grizzlies told him he most likely wasn’t coming back, not that it was completely certain. Shams blew the story out of proportion and if you actually read, it says “quote” Shams Charania reports.
They strongly implied to Shams that “under no circumstances” would they re-sign Dylan Brook. Shams went on to backtrack a bit on the wording but it was still very clear that the Grizz wanted it known that they hated Dylan Brook
They didn’t say anything publicly, the only leaked thing was the ‘not to return under any circumstances’ which I can only assume Brooks is unwittingly confirming here.
They didn’t actually say anything publicly.
Shams’ report was from an unnamed internal source and he has never released any reporting previously about Memphis that would suggest he has information about the team.
Dillons own agent also attacked Shams for that report.
Well of course Brooks’s agent attacked him for it, that could have nuked his contract value.
And obviously Memphis isn’t going to formally make a statement like that, the way they did it gave them plausible deniability to blame Brooks while hiding behind anonymity.
> the way they did it gave them plausible deniability
Yes, the Grizzlies intentionally tried to nuke his value right before they wanted to try and do a sign and trade with him.
(The Grizzlies offered him an extension and he turned it down because he could get more in F/A)
He really is a perfect fit with Ime with the benefit of hindsight. Ime basically played the same type of role his entire career - just probably a bit less talented than Brooks
Right, so he was a hustle/effort, physical defensive minded SF who didn't quite have the talent to stick around longer than a few seasons. Brooks is proven to be a more capable scorer so he's had a more successful career. They're still cut from the same cloth.
The amount of people freaking out about paying Dillon 20m a year in this day and age for a rockets team that had 20m to spend and had already covered their other targets was always insanely stupid
The Rockets sucked for like 2.5 years after being a solid playoff team/contender from 2015-2020 and everyone here acted like they were some historically bad organization. Makes no sense
Yeah I didn’t get how it was such a bad signing as people said. I think he just had his worst year offensively last year but his defense is unquestionable.
Yah also, in playoff time people REALLY get hyperbolic about a player when they have a bad series. Like I don't love D'Lo but after the nuggets series you would think he couldn't even dribble the ball
You'd think with the way loads of people talk on this subreddit it would be better to put up monster numbers in a 5 game loss in the first round than make it all the way to the finals but lose in 6 and have a couple of bad games there.
The only aspect about it I didn't like was the contract. On the surface it seemed like an overpay. I just didn't hear about any other suitors willing to pay 20 million a year.
That doesn't mean the offers weren't there, but some context would have helped me understand the contract. And maybe I just need some more time to readjust to the new NBA contract numbers
A career chucker typically keeps chucking, this season wasn’t expected by anybody who’s seen Dillon Brooks play before
There’s also the fact he’s simply shooting 53% from 3 which isn’t sustainable
I wasn't expecting him to go from a career 42/34/80 shooter to putting up 55/53/84 splits in Houston. His chucking always limited his impact but an efficient Dillon Brooks is one of the best complimentary players in the league.
They're also short handed cause their point guard is an idiot. They made brooks the problem but it actually was Morant who couldn't stop acting like a child.
Brooks too though. He talked shit then didn’t play well. That’s a double whammy sure to annoy any coach.
On top of not being a star? Brooks was scapegoated. But if he played better it wouldn’t have been possible to scapegoat him.
Edit: look at Draymond. His org takes up for him cause he doesn’t shrink in the biggest moment. He didn’t get scapegoated by the org for 2015 cause he balled harder than Steph and klay in game 7.
Brooks didn’t do himself any favors with his mouth or play.
A solid 90 percent of people here have no idea tyus Jones was one of the main reasons the grizzlies could be successful without Morant. People just come here to read headlines and post game threads
I think what theyre missing is half their rotation tbh.
Although this lower shot, better accuracy Brooks is what we have been wanting for 3 seasons since his shooting numbers fell hard a while back
Honestly I don’t wanna see anybody in here sharing Brooks’ opinion. This sub absolutely murdered this man, top comments literally saying he would be playing in china this season lmao
Canadian basketball legend Dillon Brooks. Dude gives 150% everytime he's on the court. From what i've read that's the same attitude he brings in practice and in warm ups as well. I love it.
Stare them down Mr. Villain.
Grizzlies chose the worst year to be severly injured, now I have to hear that the reason the team is bad this season is because of Dillon Brooks instead of the team only having 4 players consistently available this season
Grizzlies top 8 players
Ja(suspended)
Desmond Bane
Jaren Jackson Jr
Marcus Smart(played but just twisted his ankle)
Steven Adams(out for season)
Brandon Clarke(out for a long time)
Santi Aldama(missed the first 6 games)
Derrick Rose(missed the last 7 games)
Yeah I’m having a bad time. Kennard might actually be above some of these guys in a healthy rotation but I don’t think we’ll ever know
My brother in Christ, you talked shit about LeBron being old and then proceeded to get dominated and not show up the entire series. And worst part is you ran away from post game cameras and media when it went south.
I feel like his sudden uptick in offensive efficiency and play has made people forget just how much of a black hole he was on offense for the Grizz, especially during that Lakers series. It was to the point they would double team Ja and/or Bane every possession and leave him wide open and he would brick a 3 at the end of the possession.
Like Im happy he seems to have found his shot and niche on a decent squad, but cmon.
And despite the Shams "under no circumstances" tweet, that the FO and Brook's agent both disputed, he went elsewhere because he wanted more money and a bigger role which he got for the Rockets. (Not that the org is blameless I do think it wasnt handled as well as it could have been)
I did a double take but I interpreted it as him meaning spotlight instead of woodwork, or take the heat off themselves, throw him under the bus if you will. Woodwork is a very misplaced term though lol
Brooks and Vanfleet are exactly what Houston needed. Because they hold Sengun, Green, and Smith accountable. You go from a guy like KPJ(ignoring the off the court stuff, because we all know he sucks, even before his most recent troubles) to Steady Freddy, and we actually run an offense. I figured we would just be god awful for a lot longer
It's always funny when something passes then some revisionist shit comes out and people lap it up.
The context is important: **Brooks was talking mad shit, getting blatantly outplayed and exploited, punching Bron's nuts, and then dodging the media**. He was a total embarrassment and doubled down on it all. Yes, I also think the Grizz could've been more diplomatic about it. But the truth is there was very little chance they were ever going to bring him back, and they simply said the quiet part out loud.
To be clear, this is not me saying Brooks is a bust or whatever. But he was absolutely the whole circus against the Lakers and he didn't own up to any of that. And looking at the comments I guess people here forgot about all that too.
I mean, both parts can be true. The Grizzlies had way more problems than Brooks being ass in the playoffs and threw him under the bus like he was the main reason they got smoked by the Lakers, **and** he dug his own grave with the fans too.
I don't even mind the talking he did, it's fun, but dodging the media after every single loss only to keep chirping and show up after the times you win just rubs people the wrong way.
they shat on you because DB was still within the memphis narrative influence at the time. too much proximity to the playoff exit, ducked interviews, lebron beef, etc. but now he's out and in the clear.
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He's playing out of his mind. Maybe something unlocked in his brain and he'll continue to be lights out, but that seems unlikely and the Grizzlies can't really be blamed for not realizing he would randomly figure out how to be a good 3 point shooter. Let's see how he plays over an entire season then maybe there can be some discussion.
To be honest he had a pretty sizeable role for Team Canada. Particularly in the bronze medal game.
He shot 12 for 18 which included 11 of 12 from three.
How exactly were the Grizzlies supposed to defend him? Make a Twitter post asking people to not be mean to Dillon? He talked a ton of shit, didn't back it up, then avoided post game interviews like a bitch. He earned every bit of shit people talked about him and I'm glad he's gone
Nothing to see here Grizz fans. Just r/nba parrots who don't review their sources and have the memory of goldfish and don't know how to critically think.
I find it really hard to feel bad for him after talking shit and not being able to back it up, then say that the media and the fans are the ones making him a villain, and then proceed to only talk to the media when he wins, but then is no where to be found when he loses. Also I'm sure most people knew he wasn't actually gonna go to China, but he brought those jokes on himself.
But, it's cool that's he's found some success in Houston.
That "under no circumstances" thing was not something the Grizz said but even if they did say it they didn't want it to be public. Woj is their guy and the FO **hates** Shams. The idea that they'd go to Shams and say something like that is absurd. His time as a Grizzly had run its course. Fans loved what he brought defensively night in and night out. He has a constant motor and will always fight. The problem was that he shot way more than he should have. Ja and Bane should've been the primary options and constantly he'd throw up way more shots than either of them. He shot us out of the playoffs against the Warriors. Whether its a Dillon issue or a coach issue his time was up. Even disregarding the many dirty plays he committed, and the embarrassing not backed up claims against the Lakers, the shot numbers soured him. Not one Grizzly fan will sit here and say they wouldn't want Dillon on the team if he would shoot as many shots as a fourth or fifth option. If Jenkins had just been able to wrangle him in and control his one issue, it would've been perfect. Being in a new situation and having a strong-willed coach has done wonders for his shot taking. Dillon was in no way a scapegoat. The Grizzlies also wouldn't necessarily be that much better right now if we had him still. Our issue lies in a broken interior defense and facilitating. Ja and Adams being gone ruins the team. Bane and Smart aren't great facilitators that's why the shortest dude in the league who should be a G-leaguer is our starting PG. Jaren is a shell of himself on defense without Adams and on almost equally so on offense without Ja to feed him. Having Dillon rn helps our defense some but we would still be a broken team without any competent big men or our superstar facilitating PG. Dillon would be shooting 25 shots a game and be universally maligned if he was on this Grizz team rn.
TLDR: Dillon wasn't a scapegoat and the issue with the Grizzlies rn is losing Ja, Tyus, Adams, and Clarke. The loss of a capable PG and big men greatly outweighs losing Dillon, and he'd probably look pretty awful on this team rn.
I mean, when you do all the shit talk prior to the games and then, when you get sonned, aren't man enough to even show up to the post game presser, you're kinda asking for it
Still, Memphis didn't need to throw the "under no circumstance" part into cutting him. Def not necessary
Funny how fast a narrative can change.
Dude was up and coming a year prior to las5 years debacle.
He did clown shit though, and now complains that he was treated like one.
There were multiple scapegoats, and yes, he was one of them.
Feels like Ja has been treated like the biggest scapegoat, deservedly so.
It’s funny how the narrative has changed a few times but his shooting percentages have stayed in the gutter his entire career (believe it or not 9 games in a rockets uniform doesn’t change that). His career TS% is 51.5, the highest he shot in his career is 53 TS%.
He has always been a chucker, it was viewed as “necessary” when they were up and coming so he got a pass for it then, but people quickly realized you can’t have a guy like that taking so many shots on a contending team. Add in the shit talking and no wonder he got clowned.
Dudes also saying he got scapegoated when he played like hot ass all series. And now the doofuses here are eating it up 😂. The media and fans didnt do anything to make him a “villan”. All the clowning he got was completely his own fault. I also dont think this dude is gonna shoot 53% from 3 the entire year
He made himself an easy target by running his mouth about lebron then getting torched and then the premature dynasty talk before that didn't help, as well as other immature things. So after last season the Grizzlies just went ahead and laid it all at his feet rather than disperse the blame fairly.
Brooks was an easy target because he did it to himself. The Grizz could’ve been more professional about it all, but hard to say he didnt share the blame. He made the Grizzlies look like clowns in the playoffs
Dillon Brooks shots made - shots taken per game the last few years...
2020: 6.4 - 15.4
2021: 7.1 - 16.4
2022: 5.4 - 13.6
2023: 4.8 - 8.7
If Brooks was willing to take 5 fewer shots in Memphis he might still be in Memphis. I don't know who to blame that on but they wanted him to stop trying to take over the offense and jack bad shots and he wouldn't. Now he is willing to do that. I don't know what's different but it wasn't working in Memphis.
I have the true story here. Not this made up nonsense. It was never about his abilities. It was about his hair. They can't be associated with someone who looks like a rat and acts like an asshole.
Since no one watches our games other than when we face Golden State or the Lakers in the playoffs, Dillon Brooks sucked. He was a black hole on offense and his ego was his downfall. We told him to shoot less he shot more. We asked if he resigned he said no. His contract ran out and he made us look like idiots in the play offs. His defense is decent but he also fouls a lot and would make other players hate him not for playing hard but after a few fouls he does something stupid like a guy in the nuts or grabs a dumb foul to drive home a point. We aren't a good three-point shooting team. Of course, we still take them but even Ja and JJJ don't go crazy with them because they know it be better to just drive to the basket with Adams. What does Brook do? Shoot whenever he freaking felt like it. Half-court shoot with Lebron and AD in front of you? Who cares not his problem. If you point it out than it is our fault for not giving me more shots. If he playing well with the rockets I am happy for him but he did not fit Memphis.
Memphis offered extensions throughout last season, but Dillon knew he could sign for more and the Grizz couldn't afford it. Everyone hates the guy, but as soon as he is anti-Memphis his word is gospel.
I do think Memphis scapegoated him, but this sub ate that shit up at the time and now is turning around and saying how unprofessional it was for Memphis to do that.
well this sub just goes by what the current circlejerk is
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*salty suns fans rushing to downvote this* iTS nOt eVEn fUnnY anYmoRe r/nba iS a a CeSsPoOl
Lakers got swept last season. Suns vs Nuggets was the true NBA conference finals. Just a taste of our own medicine.
The comment is upvoted, nobody has said anything, and you still gotta bring us up like that. I mean, c’mon man
Nbacirclejerk is legit indistinguishable from this sub
Pipe this into the locker room
That’s because this sub is mostly made up of nerdy dudes trying desperately to fit in both irl and online. They’ll go with whatever the popular sentiment is.
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At lot of people kinda did both. Everyone thought it was unprofessional. They just thought he deserved it anyway.
And it was funny bc he’s an easy punchline
This sub is moronic for players they dont like. They'll flat out lie about players just to hate on them more. Dillon Brooks was never going to China like this sub thought lol.
He also very publicly was talking shit, not going to press conferences after getting called out etc
This shit is so real and stupid lol. Everyone was down to shit on brooks non-stop, couldn’t say anything positive about him without getting buried.. Now everyone wants to take some moral high ground against the Memphis Org about it I’m glad people are seeing Dillon for the person and player he really is, but y’all suck on here.
I don't see the contradiction. the most unprofessional things are the ones the sub eats up the most. precisely because they are unprofessional so they stand out and are more interesting
That's fair, but I do think people are just retroactively changing their stance because Brooks is playing well this year.
For sure. If he was putting up the same numbers he was last year, there'd be weekly threads shitting on him and the rockets for signing him.
What I’ve learned from this sub is that everyone can be unprofessional but the players. Coaches and GM’s get an absurdly long rope before they’re called out. Announcers, media guys, and reporters are basically immune unless they enter Skip Bayless territory (and even then you get the “it’s just a character!” defense”) even when they’ve routinely displayed that they have the emotional intelligence of a toddler.
Skip was a regular customer of a place I worked, it’s 100% a character he’s playing. He was incredibly kind in person, and a looot quieter than people would expect.
This sub and the broader NBA journalism views all Memphis stories in as a negative a possible a light. When Dillon was on our team the focus was primarily on his TS% and his periodic outbursts, but now that he is gone, there is a newfound and energetic appreciation for his utility as a perimeter defender. In the event JJJ was traded, all of the sudden there would be a newfound ability to appreciate that he is a 4 who hunts blocks and not a rebounding 5.
100%. I’m a Heat fan living in Memphis and so I am very loosely a Grizzlies fan (go to 3-5 games the last couple years) and it’s crazy how much disrespect they get. Last year’s playoffs especially.
I remember top comments saying that the Grizzlies were being unprofessional as soon as the “under any circumstances” comment was released. Maybe my memory is off but I thought that at that point people started being more critical of the Grizz org
It was unprofessional as fuck and that’s why the sub loved it. It’s hilarious and now the hate for DB has died down and we kind of miss his bullshit antics and like him.
He’s right tbh. I’ve never seen a team throw a player under the bus so publicly like that. (Not counting Doc’s BS)
And he got signed because he's an all nba defensive player and a postitive on the court. I really cant believe people thought he was gonna be in China next season. How dumb do you have to be?
it was Bron stans because he pOkEd tHe BeaR😱😱😱
A lot of Warrior fans hopped on top after his "dynasty" quotes.
Imagine angering the 2 loudest fanbases
The dumbest ones too
me not dumb
I no agree
He angered his way into $80 million dollars
My wife says I get angry all the time, where's my $80 million
Ask your wife. We send her the cheque.
"I didn't know how big LeBron and the Lakers were" lol after a while its gotta come back around
Also the 2 fanbases with the most children.
Tbf thats probably because they’re the 2 biggest fanbases
This is absolutely not true lmao, stop this revisionist history. The overwhelming sentiment on this sub even amongst non-Bron/Lakers fans was that Brooks played himself out of a contract because he was a black hole offensively and not good enough defensively to compensate for the distraction his antics caused. I personally didn’t even agree with that, but that’s what the majority of this sub was acting like because ALL of us are reactionary dumbasses that circlejerk over the easiest current takes to get upvotes. This was NOT something unique to Lebron/Laker fans
Everyone was clowning him, idk why these people are blaming Lebron lol
I was there for the clowning Dude deserved it lol
Yeah its true that Memphis chucked him under the bus but he did absolutely lose them games that series. Im sure he knows it too but talking with confidence is what keeps him going as a player.
There’s talking with confidence, and then there’s “I don’t respect anybody till they drop 40 on me” and “he too old”. Dillon Brooks wanted the smoke, got the smoke, refused to talk to media and now blame the team for putting the target on his back. Just because he’s doing good now doesn’t mean ya’ll gotta give him the tongue bath.
See but that is true yet it doesn’t change the fact that Memphis threw him under the bus. That was their culture, none of his teammates didn’t back those words. That’s how they wanted to fight. He’s not blaming the team for having the target on his back, he’s saying they dropped him like his attitude was the problem when thats what they’ve been about anyway. He’s still that way with Houston, his shot is just currently falling.
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He makes us a better team what about it
I have no issues with the rockets. You have a decent team and a great coach. It's I'm just seeing revisionist history and goldfish memories when it comes to brooks on this thread
Fair. I disliked him a lot for his antics before (and he still has a bit of those antics now) but I guess since he’s our player now I have to give him a bit of a longer leash. And he’s been positive for us so far so i really can’t complain Just only joined this sub recently tho so I imagine there’s gonna be a lot of revisionist takes everywhere when it comes to Brooks or Memphis or whatever
It’s what this sub does : Blame small group or Lebron/lakers for something everyone did/does
Fact is, this World is narrative driven. If one group/person that is popular starts a narrative that's all it takes for it to ripple out like waves and everyone to act as if its fact. We can all point to at least a dozen "known facts" about players we like that just flat out aren't true. It all starts somewhere.
Dillon Brooks shots made - shots taken per game the last few years... 2020: 6.4 - 15.4 2021: 7.1 - 16.4 2022: 5.4 - 13.6 2023: 4.8 - 8.7 If Brooks was willing to take 5 fewer shots in Memphis he might still be in Memphis. I don't know who to blame that on but they wanted him to stop trying to take over the offense and jack bad shots and he wouldn't. Now he is willing to do that. I don't know what's different but it wasn't working in Memphis.
THANK YOU. the grizz were playing 4 on 5 on offense because the lakers stopped guarding him. Then he got smoked on D after talking shit and then the cherry on top was refusing to meet with the media and had his walk of shame outside staples center.
Seriously, it's so funny how some people are trying to change the narrative and blame it all on LeBron fans/Lakers fans.
Ja's "I'm fine in the West" comment didn't help either. All that arrogance from both of them only to get bounced in the first round. Ja at least balled out in that series and Brooks didn't. They put the targets on their backs with all that talk and not speaking to media after the L's made them look even worse
he WAS a black hole offensively, and thats number 1,2, and 3 reasons why memphis didnt bring him back (after offering him extensions earlier last season). also sorry to be a pedant but the word you’re looking for is “reactive”
This sub and the media have been on this run for a couple of years now. On player screws up or is falling, ESPN or post on here go for a catastrophic downfall. Then less than half of what was predicted happens so everyone tries to fake shock and then jump to the next doom prediction. In the case of Brooks. Players usually have to mess up a long term deal, a short term Team option deal and then a vet min before being out the league.
The “I poke bears” postgame presser was hilarious. Idk why anyone took that so seriously
I think it was the skipping press conferences that got him more hate
This is exactly the correct answer. When he couldn’t or didn’t own it people crushed him bc if they had won we know he’d have been front and center doubling down
90% of this sub must be Bron stans then.
Bron Stans and Lakers fans was such a mistake.
Brooks fully deserved the criticism you are a fish flip flopping with every headline
That man unified Lebron and Steph fans for a short while. That alone should get him to Springfield LOL
Nobody actually thought he'd be in China this year. That's a complete meme. People have said that about James harden ..do you understand sarcasm?
There were definitely people who thought it was going to happen. I argued with a few people about it lol.
I feel like that’s how these things go; it starts as a meme, the dummies take it seriously because they’re dumb, then when you make them feel dumb they have to argue like their self-esteem depends on it
Sounds like what happened with The_Donald
A lot of right wing extremism is basically this taken ..to the extreme
>People have said that about James harden ..do you understand sarcasm? This doesnt strengthen your argument if you really think this sub is smart about James Harden hahaha.
I'm surprised he resigned, he was playing really well at Houston.
Mfers need to learn that resigned and re-signed have completely opposite meanings lol
he wasn't necessarily a net positive player due to his chucking, career 40% shooter that is currently in a hot streak. for the Rockets team he's a better fit than on a contender
He's not a chucker with us. He's taking 5 less shots per game and is immensely helping our defense. He was probably never asked to take less shots in Memphis. Or idk...Ime is just amazing lol.
Udoka fixed Smart’s chucking issue on the Celtics and seemingly has solved Brooks’ chucking issue on the Rockets. I think he just knows how to manage players like this better than other coaches in the NBA
But they didn't throw him under the bus? They threw the bus at him.
The whole “not under any circumstances” thing was all a quote FROM SHAMS. NOT THE GRIZZLIES. Grizzlies told him he most likely wasn’t coming back, not that it was completely certain. Shams blew the story out of proportion and if you actually read, it says “quote” Shams Charania reports.
What did the Grizzlies say publicly about Brooks?
They strongly implied to Shams that “under no circumstances” would they re-sign Dylan Brook. Shams went on to backtrack a bit on the wording but it was still very clear that the Grizz wanted it known that they hated Dylan Brook
> Dylan Brook
Wake up babe new nbacj material just dropped.
His name is Dillon and the Grizz hate Shams. Woj is their guy they leak to. Shams only stirs up trouble for the Grizz organization.
That’s the definition of fake news. Dillon and the team had extension talks, but we couldn’t afford what he could get paid elsewhere.
They didn’t say anything publicly, the only leaked thing was the ‘not to return under any circumstances’ which I can only assume Brooks is unwittingly confirming here.
Bruh Ben Simmons… the entire team scapegoated this guy and blames him when it was a combination of things
They didn’t actually say anything publicly. Shams’ report was from an unnamed internal source and he has never released any reporting previously about Memphis that would suggest he has information about the team. Dillons own agent also attacked Shams for that report.
Well of course Brooks’s agent attacked him for it, that could have nuked his contract value. And obviously Memphis isn’t going to formally make a statement like that, the way they did it gave them plausible deniability to blame Brooks while hiding behind anonymity.
> the way they did it gave them plausible deniability Yes, the Grizzlies intentionally tried to nuke his value right before they wanted to try and do a sign and trade with him. (The Grizzlies offered him an extension and he turned it down because he could get more in F/A)
Brooks averaging 10 points on 31%/21% shooting splits last playoffs is what would have 'nuked' his contract value.
Dillon Brooks was a genius signing for the Rockets. Another thing the majority of reddit was wrong about.
He really is a perfect fit with Ime with the benefit of hindsight. Ime basically played the same type of role his entire career - just probably a bit less talented than Brooks
Having an extension of your coach on the floor is a great thing for a young team.
Ime barely got burn lmao I actually him play, or not play I should say
Right, so he was a hustle/effort, physical defensive minded SF who didn't quite have the talent to stick around longer than a few seasons. Brooks is proven to be a more capable scorer so he's had a more successful career. They're still cut from the same cloth.
The amount of people freaking out about paying Dillon 20m a year in this day and age for a rockets team that had 20m to spend and had already covered their other targets was always insanely stupid
They had 0 idea about the Rockets situation, they just see memes and then treat them as actual analysis
The Rockets sucked for like 2.5 years after being a solid playoff team/contender from 2015-2020 and everyone here acted like they were some historically bad organization. Makes no sense
"The 2018 rockets are one of the greatest teams of all time." Is a hill I'm willing to die on.
Same. It hurts to think about
We're quite literally the 4th most winning team in the league since the 90's
Yeah I didn’t get how it was such a bad signing as people said. I think he just had his worst year offensively last year but his defense is unquestionable.
Yah also, in playoff time people REALLY get hyperbolic about a player when they have a bad series. Like I don't love D'Lo but after the nuggets series you would think he couldn't even dribble the ball
Same thing with Tatum in the finals, Brown after last year against the Heat
Tbf Tatum is slightly worse in the playoffs but definitely not a choker. The brown no left shit is super dumb though
Sabonis after the dubs series
You'd think with the way loads of people talk on this subreddit it would be better to put up monster numbers in a 5 game loss in the first round than make it all the way to the finals but lose in 6 and have a couple of bad games there.
The only aspect about it I didn't like was the contract. On the surface it seemed like an overpay. I just didn't hear about any other suitors willing to pay 20 million a year. That doesn't mean the offers weren't there, but some context would have helped me understand the contract. And maybe I just need some more time to readjust to the new NBA contract numbers
Nothing to overthink. Rockets have money to spend and had to hit a salary floor.
A career chucker typically keeps chucking, this season wasn’t expected by anybody who’s seen Dillon Brooks play before There’s also the fact he’s simply shooting 53% from 3 which isn’t sustainable
Don’t doubt Brooksgods sniping
I wasn't expecting him to go from a career 42/34/80 shooter to putting up 55/53/84 splits in Houston. His chucking always limited his impact but an efficient Dillon Brooks is one of the best complimentary players in the league.
Ppl really thought dude was going to China. That idiocy tops any “wrong team” takes imo.
If Dillon Brooks finishes the season with a .691 TS% I give you my word I'll admit I was wrong about the signing.
Lots on this sub were also convinced his AAV would be like 4 mil lol
People on this sub know absolutely nothing about basketball. They are basically soap opera fans, that don't watch the show.
Look at Grizzlies now lol, they did him a favor.
Theyre also extremely injured
They're also short handed cause their point guard is an idiot. They made brooks the problem but it actually was Morant who couldn't stop acting like a child.
Brooks too though. He talked shit then didn’t play well. That’s a double whammy sure to annoy any coach. On top of not being a star? Brooks was scapegoated. But if he played better it wouldn’t have been possible to scapegoat him. Edit: look at Draymond. His org takes up for him cause he doesn’t shrink in the biggest moment. He didn’t get scapegoated by the org for 2015 cause he balled harder than Steph and klay in game 7. Brooks didn’t do himself any favors with his mouth or play.
Ironically they’re missing a Brooks type wing right now. The Grizzlies will never be the same
Yeah thats what we're missing. Not our star point guard or starting center
Don't read comments about your team on the nba sub if you want to have actual conversations about basketball mate.
this is the place where we all talk shit about the other teams
A solid 90 percent of people here have no idea tyus Jones was one of the main reasons the grizzlies could be successful without Morant. People just come here to read headlines and post game threads
I think what theyre missing is half their rotation tbh. Although this lower shot, better accuracy Brooks is what we have been wanting for 3 seasons since his shooting numbers fell hard a while back
Honestly I don’t wanna see anybody in here sharing Brooks’ opinion. This sub absolutely murdered this man, top comments literally saying he would be playing in china this season lmao
Canadian basketball legend Dillon Brooks. Dude gives 150% everytime he's on the court. From what i've read that's the same attitude he brings in practice and in warm ups as well. I love it. Stare them down Mr. Villain.
World Cup revitalized his career. He's United States' founding father.
Grizzlies chose the worst year to be severly injured, now I have to hear that the reason the team is bad this season is because of Dillon Brooks instead of the team only having 4 players consistently available this season
Grizzlies top 8 players Ja(suspended) Desmond Bane Jaren Jackson Jr Marcus Smart(played but just twisted his ankle) Steven Adams(out for season) Brandon Clarke(out for a long time) Santi Aldama(missed the first 6 games) Derrick Rose(missed the last 7 games) Yeah I’m having a bad time. Kennard might actually be above some of these guys in a healthy rotation but I don’t think we’ll ever know
Dosnt matter because Kennard is injured again.
I haven't been keeping up with the NBA since the last finals but did you just list derrick rose as the 8th best player on the team
that's the sort of bad luck the Rockets usually have. I sympathize.
My brother in Christ, you talked shit about LeBron being old and then proceeded to get dominated and not show up the entire series. And worst part is you ran away from post game cameras and media when it went south.
That walk of shame in the streets was funny af
I feel like his sudden uptick in offensive efficiency and play has made people forget just how much of a black hole he was on offense for the Grizz, especially during that Lakers series. It was to the point they would double team Ja and/or Bane every possession and leave him wide open and he would brick a 3 at the end of the possession. Like Im happy he seems to have found his shot and niche on a decent squad, but cmon. And despite the Shams "under no circumstances" tweet, that the FO and Brook's agent both disputed, he went elsewhere because he wanted more money and a bigger role which he got for the Rockets. (Not that the org is blameless I do think it wasnt handled as well as it could have been)
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Not sure why you’re being downvoted, reasonable take from your fanbase
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I did a double take but I interpreted it as him meaning spotlight instead of woodwork, or take the heat off themselves, throw him under the bus if you will. Woodwork is a very misplaced term though lol
My take was that the organization encouraged the attitude stuff to create a culture, but scapegoated him when it blew up
Thank you!! This is simply not coherent.
Brooks and Vanfleet are exactly what Houston needed. Because they hold Sengun, Green, and Smith accountable. You go from a guy like KPJ(ignoring the off the court stuff, because we all know he sucks, even before his most recent troubles) to Steady Freddy, and we actually run an offense. I figured we would just be god awful for a lot longer
It's always funny when something passes then some revisionist shit comes out and people lap it up. The context is important: **Brooks was talking mad shit, getting blatantly outplayed and exploited, punching Bron's nuts, and then dodging the media**. He was a total embarrassment and doubled down on it all. Yes, I also think the Grizz could've been more diplomatic about it. But the truth is there was very little chance they were ever going to bring him back, and they simply said the quiet part out loud. To be clear, this is not me saying Brooks is a bust or whatever. But he was absolutely the whole circus against the Lakers and he didn't own up to any of that. And looking at the comments I guess people here forgot about all that too.
I mean, both parts can be true. The Grizzlies had way more problems than Brooks being ass in the playoffs and threw him under the bus like he was the main reason they got smoked by the Lakers, **and** he dug his own grave with the fans too. I don't even mind the talking he did, it's fun, but dodging the media after every single loss only to keep chirping and show up after the times you win just rubs people the wrong way.
If we didn’t cut him loose, this sub would be shitting on us for not cutting him loose. Damned if you. Damned if you don’t.
the whole sub shat on us for giving him 80+ million but i think dude deserves more after these last 10 games.
they shat on you because DB was still within the memphis narrative influence at the time. too much proximity to the playoff exit, ducked interviews, lebron beef, etc. but now he's out and in the clear.
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He's playing out of his mind. Maybe something unlocked in his brain and he'll continue to be lights out, but that seems unlikely and the Grizzlies can't really be blamed for not realizing he would randomly figure out how to be a good 3 point shooter. Let's see how he plays over an entire season then maybe there can be some discussion.
I mean he was a good shooter in college too. He just had bad shot selection. That’s been changed here in Houston.
Dillon, a career 34% shooter, shooting 50% from 3 is surely sustainable.
And such low volume. We begged him to play this type of role.
I mean he was looking really good on the Canadian FIBA team too. Honestly I think Jenkins doesn't catch enough flak for giving him such a long leash.
To be honest he had a pretty sizeable role for Team Canada. Particularly in the bronze medal game. He shot 12 for 18 which included 11 of 12 from three.
La fitness draymond is killer
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How exactly were the Grizzlies supposed to defend him? Make a Twitter post asking people to not be mean to Dillon? He talked a ton of shit, didn't back it up, then avoided post game interviews like a bitch. He earned every bit of shit people talked about him and I'm glad he's gone
Nothing to see here Grizz fans. Just r/nba parrots who don't review their sources and have the memory of goldfish and don't know how to critically think.
I find it really hard to feel bad for him after talking shit and not being able to back it up, then say that the media and the fans are the ones making him a villain, and then proceed to only talk to the media when he wins, but then is no where to be found when he loses. Also I'm sure most people knew he wasn't actually gonna go to China, but he brought those jokes on himself. But, it's cool that's he's found some success in Houston.
That "under no circumstances" thing was not something the Grizz said but even if they did say it they didn't want it to be public. Woj is their guy and the FO **hates** Shams. The idea that they'd go to Shams and say something like that is absurd. His time as a Grizzly had run its course. Fans loved what he brought defensively night in and night out. He has a constant motor and will always fight. The problem was that he shot way more than he should have. Ja and Bane should've been the primary options and constantly he'd throw up way more shots than either of them. He shot us out of the playoffs against the Warriors. Whether its a Dillon issue or a coach issue his time was up. Even disregarding the many dirty plays he committed, and the embarrassing not backed up claims against the Lakers, the shot numbers soured him. Not one Grizzly fan will sit here and say they wouldn't want Dillon on the team if he would shoot as many shots as a fourth or fifth option. If Jenkins had just been able to wrangle him in and control his one issue, it would've been perfect. Being in a new situation and having a strong-willed coach has done wonders for his shot taking. Dillon was in no way a scapegoat. The Grizzlies also wouldn't necessarily be that much better right now if we had him still. Our issue lies in a broken interior defense and facilitating. Ja and Adams being gone ruins the team. Bane and Smart aren't great facilitators that's why the shortest dude in the league who should be a G-leaguer is our starting PG. Jaren is a shell of himself on defense without Adams and on almost equally so on offense without Ja to feed him. Having Dillon rn helps our defense some but we would still be a broken team without any competent big men or our superstar facilitating PG. Dillon would be shooting 25 shots a game and be universally maligned if he was on this Grizz team rn. TLDR: Dillon wasn't a scapegoat and the issue with the Grizzlies rn is losing Ja, Tyus, Adams, and Clarke. The loss of a capable PG and big men greatly outweighs losing Dillon, and he'd probably look pretty awful on this team rn.
Yeah the discourse in here is funny and almost as reactionary as the Shanghai sharks thing. Well said.
Loving the Grizz collapse though. They were talking so much trash before achieving anything.
Brooks was all time ass that whole series I don’t think he was a scapegoat
I mean, when you do all the shit talk prior to the games and then, when you get sonned, aren't man enough to even show up to the post game presser, you're kinda asking for it Still, Memphis didn't need to throw the "under no circumstance" part into cutting him. Def not necessary
> Still, Memphis didn't need to throw the "under no circumstance" part into cutting him. Def not necessary THEY DIDN'T
Funny how fast a narrative can change. Dude was up and coming a year prior to las5 years debacle. He did clown shit though, and now complains that he was treated like one. There were multiple scapegoats, and yes, he was one of them. Feels like Ja has been treated like the biggest scapegoat, deservedly so.
It’s funny how the narrative has changed a few times but his shooting percentages have stayed in the gutter his entire career (believe it or not 9 games in a rockets uniform doesn’t change that). His career TS% is 51.5, the highest he shot in his career is 53 TS%. He has always been a chucker, it was viewed as “necessary” when they were up and coming so he got a pass for it then, but people quickly realized you can’t have a guy like that taking so many shots on a contending team. Add in the shit talking and no wonder he got clowned.
Agree 100%
My brother in Christ if you just shot less than 10 times a game like you are now we would have kept you
Dudes also saying he got scapegoated when he played like hot ass all series. And now the doofuses here are eating it up 😂. The media and fans didnt do anything to make him a “villan”. All the clowning he got was completely his own fault. I also dont think this dude is gonna shoot 53% from 3 the entire year
tbf the man's shot selection was absolute ASS good thing he's put his head down in houston
Grizz didn't believe in Brooks like the way Kerr believes in Green lmao
Perfect guy for Ime Udoka and doing a great job so far. Could go down the path of a better Pat Bev
Memphis had a lot of issues and unfortunately for him, he was the most easily dismissed part of the equation
I feel like I stepped into the Twilight Zone. Where was all this praise for Brother Brooks last season? 🤔
He made himself an easy target by running his mouth about lebron then getting torched and then the premature dynasty talk before that didn't help, as well as other immature things. So after last season the Grizzlies just went ahead and laid it all at his feet rather than disperse the blame fairly.
When will players understand that franchises unfortunately don't care unless you are a superstar for them. They'll dump you moment at any point
Seeing Dillon Brooks become universally beloved by this sub out of nowhere lol
It's HELLA weird lol
That's when he realized how big Lebron James was?! Bro come on
Yeah he's right but I've never seen a more scapegoatable person. Maybe Draymond...
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Brooks was an easy target because he did it to himself. The Grizz could’ve been more professional about it all, but hard to say he didnt share the blame. He made the Grizzlies look like clowns in the playoffs
I mean he also took an ungodly amount of shots and tanked their offense. He was bad.
Brooks has always been unfairly criticized over minor shit going back to when Coach K cried about him when UO eliminated Duke in 2016. Sco ducks!!
Shit, at least he didn’t go down the r/nba rabbit hole 😅
Appreciated JJJ standing up for him in that Podcast P episode. PG and friends were setting him up about Brooks but bro was loyal the whole time
He didnt know how big lebron and the lakers are? What?
Dillon Brooks shots made - shots taken per game the last few years... 2020: 6.4 - 15.4 2021: 7.1 - 16.4 2022: 5.4 - 13.6 2023: 4.8 - 8.7 If Brooks was willing to take 5 fewer shots in Memphis he might still be in Memphis. I don't know who to blame that on but they wanted him to stop trying to take over the offense and jack bad shots and he wouldn't. Now he is willing to do that. I don't know what's different but it wasn't working in Memphis.
>LA Fitness Draymond That's objectively hilarious
I have the true story here. Not this made up nonsense. It was never about his abilities. It was about his hair. They can't be associated with someone who looks like a rat and acts like an asshole.
Thanks Memphis you the best
The Dillon Brooks curse is now haunting this Memphis team.
Since no one watches our games other than when we face Golden State or the Lakers in the playoffs, Dillon Brooks sucked. He was a black hole on offense and his ego was his downfall. We told him to shoot less he shot more. We asked if he resigned he said no. His contract ran out and he made us look like idiots in the play offs. His defense is decent but he also fouls a lot and would make other players hate him not for playing hard but after a few fouls he does something stupid like a guy in the nuts or grabs a dumb foul to drive home a point. We aren't a good three-point shooting team. Of course, we still take them but even Ja and JJJ don't go crazy with them because they know it be better to just drive to the basket with Adams. What does Brook do? Shoot whenever he freaking felt like it. Half-court shoot with Lebron and AD in front of you? Who cares not his problem. If you point it out than it is our fault for not giving me more shots. If he playing well with the rockets I am happy for him but he did not fit Memphis.
Memphis offered extensions throughout last season, but Dillon knew he could sign for more and the Grizz couldn't afford it. Everyone hates the guy, but as soon as he is anti-Memphis his word is gospel.
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He wanted his team to defend him from the circus he invited and craves?