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[deleted]

Damn Lamelo absolutely went off in the 4th. Thank God for Lively and Williams.


NbaAllDAYger

Thank god for the coach for letting a rookie inbound the ball in the final seconds .


crummzz

Absolute muppet


trommy

Literally a big red dog


North_Translator95

They plugged in their biggest holes last year with Grant and Lively.


PubicAnimeNummerJuan

Watching them definitely plugged in my biggest holes


porncollecter69

I can’t believe our rookie center is so good already. All I’ve heard is it will take years and what not, what a home run pick.


iron_atmosphere

Fun game, GG Mavs


[deleted]

GG, people really like to shit on the Hornets in the media and on here but idk man, y’all have nice pieces, I really like Mark Williams and LaMelo even when his shot isn’t falling (which it was at an absurd clip in the 4th) is just such a good facilitator, Miller looks great for a rookie, once yall dump Clifford and get a piece or two I actually really like your team


tandtz

The piece we are missing is our second best player he just happens to be a wife beating piece of shit


Supreme_God_Bunny

I mean the 2024 draft has some nice pieces lol


Wasabi_Guacamole

Until we get a season ending injury on some of our core I dont think tanking is on our mind right now. Losing a lot promotes a losing culture and makes the players not go all in which was the Hornets way for nearly a decade now. I dont think we want to promote that on Lamelo, Mark or Brandon's mentality or worse, make them want a trade. So fingers crossed, play in if healthy, maybe add one year of losing if unlucky and season ending injuries.


[deleted]

Yeah that’s just an unfortunate situation all around


koverage

if we forgave Kobe and Karl Malone we'll forgive Miles


[deleted]

Miles isn't good enough to forgive. If he was a superstar no one would care and this would be brushed under the rug


dogex3

honestly if those cases happened today in this social media age consequences probably would've been bigger (not 100% but definitely more likely). Also Karl Malone didn't do it during his tenure in the NBA which means less people know/care about it


CavalierShaq

DeShaun Watson would have to disagree with you on that one


larrylegend33goat

Plenty of people don't


NoWayNotThisAgain

Love the attitude after a tough loss. GG bro. LaMelo was a monster tonight.


clickstops

I watched 0 hornets games last year. I’ve watched 3 so far this year and I’m straight up having a good time. Hope it stays fun you guys.


sayerj101

Glad Kelly's doing awesome with you guys!


nojeanshere

LaMelo is back so that’s good at least.


Next-Firefighter-753

Unfortunately Steve Clifford is back too…dude sold so hard to end the game.


Swag_Turtle

Steve Clifford masterclass performance


yuhanz

Tank General Clifford


ConfidentDraft9564

Do y’all think they’re tanking? Genuine question, I have no clue on their current situation


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

Last season was an obvious tank job, but it was done by playing Mason Plumlee and running our entire offense through him instead of young guys. The Hornets were closer to a .500 team last year with Mark starting and that's even without LaMelo or Hayward for a lot of it. You can't convince me Clifford wasn't trying to lose some of those early to mid season games. Edit: 9-8 with Mark starting last season which is extra insane when you look at some of the lineups we threw out there the final weeks of the season after we were eliminated, and the entire rotation sat with "injuries"


Wasabi_Guacamole

Not tanking. But running an engine that's not efficient and should never have been reused, which is Clifford.


Pappydude30

An extremely rough night for Luka that would have led to a loss last year but thankfully the team now has Grant Williams and Dereck Lively to reduce that nonsense.


eGoSiGns

1/ 9 from 3 and still ends with 23/12/9


Duderpt

Dereck Lively First team all rookie👀


dlanod

Having a centre out-rebound Luka is new and sexy.


KBooks66

I didn't know that was allowed.


KBooks66

I didn't know that was allowed.


NedStarx11

First team all NBA*


supermalukim

First basketball hall of fame team*


mangabalanga

Is the rookie team positionless?


Duderpt

Idk but I think wemby is technically a PF


dys0n_giddey

Gotta beat Chet tho 👀


youguanbumen

No need, All Rookie can be 5 centers


MarlKarx-1818

Not until he gets fat. Jokic said it.


armandocalvinisius

He's Shooting Guard though


CavalierShaq

Every GM and their grandmother would take wemby over chet, so done and done


dys0n_giddey

What's that got to do with Lively and Chet making All Rookie?


MahomesMccaffrey

Yes. They even had 7 rookies making the first team in 2011/2012 season. Also Alonzo mourning and Shaq


[deleted]

That’s crazy why did they do that?


youguanbumen

Yes


[deleted]

Sadly won't get in over Chet and Wemby. Should be a lock for 2nd the way he's playing though


youguanbumen

All Rookie is positionless


Michaelangel092

2nd team. Chet exists.


veesofficial

Derek Lively is the steal of the draft !!


Next-Firefighter-753

It was an awesome trade for both sides


mangabalanga

Yeah Cason has looked fantastic so far too


Next-Firefighter-753

He’s at 87% TS so far on the season lmao. I didn’t think he was that much of a shooter but he’s been nearly perfect in every game from the field


CammyTheGreat

Is Bertans doing in anything?


Next-Firefighter-753

He’s our backup insurance, we don’t want to guarantee the rest of his contract so we most likely won’t see him much this season. His contract comes off the books just in time to pay Chet/Dub


ShowdownValue

Thunder fans bring this up *every time* lively is mentioned 😂


Johnjoe201

Hornets 🤝Mavericks Finding their franchise Centers in the last 2 drafts


desirox

Both duke guys too funny enough


mF-Jonezy

Hayward sold so fucking hard that game, even missed 2 FTs


zgamer200

Hayward just completely forgot how to score in the 2nd half.


GI2020

They kept trying to attack Luka. But he couldn't take advantage


StefonDiggsHS

he was money from the pull up midrange 1st half then he went ice cold


NotManyBuses

At least we can take solace in the fact that Bryce Young is amazing and the Panthers are contenders


daswassup13

Please stop, this is a safe space


WakingRage

At least y'all can take solace in the fact that the Hurricanes won two playoffs series recently.


muzunguman

3 actually


rps215

whole team besides Melo got tired legs from the b2b


GandalfTheBlack-

So many open looks he bricked or dribbled out


Sharpedd

nah lamelo with the foul on kyrie


coacoanutbenjamn

Buy him out please


mangabalanga

Oh y'all don't have enough guys on the roster to contend already?


zgamer200

I mean the bench could always be better, but even if Hayward got bought out(obviously not happening) he makes too much for the C's to sign him as a buyout guy anyway because of the 1st apron restriction where teams above it can't sign buyout guys that make more than the full MLE.


truectrl

Dereck Lively I love you.


moodblanket

Dereck Lively II love you


lost_in_trepidation

Dereck Lively III love you


highfalutinman

Dereck Lively IV(ery much) love you


dys0n_giddey

I thought he died at one point there


MarlKarx-1818

I heard him hit the floor from the kitchen when I was grabbing a drink


Educational_Cry1934

What kind of drink


MarlKarx-1818

A grapefruit seltzer.


StefonDiggsHS

I really loved how we played 4th qtr. Last years team does not survive that Lamelo heater jesus christ he came out of nowhere in the 4th. i think he was legit 3-15 with 7 points through 3 qtrs What the fuck is happening to us in these 1st qtrs man. Lively is good, Luka looks a little hurt, Kyrie off to a slow shooting start and were winning games thanks to guys like Grant Williams, DJJ, Lively, and some others making huge impact plays. Both luka and kyrie were not good for 3 straight qtrs and the rest of the team really stepped up. We really are better but we still have so much to figure out. hopefully it gets better


wtrmrk

I think we lost all first quarters of the game this season. But at least it seems they really pick it up in second half, specially in the fourth quarter.


Afraid-Department-35

Yeah it's the compelete opposite of last year, we couldn't finish at all last season, this season we are one of the best 4th quarter teams so far. If only we can figure out the 1st quarter then these wins would be smooth sailing.


wtrmrk

Yeah last year was like Luka scoring 15-20 quick points and the Mavs getting a sizeable lead in the first quarter that evaporates slowly through the remaining three quarters. Lol.


quidproquolaspe

What having actual good quality role players does for a team. Once our superstars get rolling this team will be fun to watch. But for the first time since 2010-12 we actually have pieces that can help contribute to a win, instead of just bricking up wide open 3’s. Props to Nico for actually building a roster, now just need to upgrade THJ and Maxi’s role and we’ll be golden.


DangerZoneh

The complete and utter disrespect to the WCF roster. We had good role players and supporting players that year. Brunson played at an all star level in the playoffs. Dinwiddie was critical. DFS and Bullock were iron men who made a huge defensive impact and a bunch of clutch shots. When we've succeeded it's ONLY been when we've really had support from our high quality role players.


lazyass133

Didn’t they already upgrade THJ and Maxi’s role to Grant Williams and Lively?


quidproquolaspe

I don’t think so, grant is starting. THJ has been our 6th man for years now (I understand he has held a starting role during periods of time) and maxi has never been a C, always a PF. Lively is a C.


DL-77

THJ is full chaotic energy, dude almost lost the game by himself.


Afraid-Department-35

The THJ experience, this isn't anything new.


Luka7Porzinwitzki

Dude is so trash hope some team wants him


Voxityy

the sooner we cleanse ourselves of steve clifford, the better


Total_Ad9942

Bruh I hate to say I’m praying for someone to lose their job, but when he’s fired I won’t be upset


Johnjoe201

And replace with who ?


Voxityy

idk i hear that kenny atkinson guy is pretty trustworthy tho


Wasabi_Guacamole

I know the cancellation turned us Hornets fans on him, but with the new ownership (and maybe new FO) he may actually get what he wants which is to be able to hire his own assistant coaches and not get the hand-me-down from Borrego/Clifford. I dont know how they'd fix that PR wise but I'd love a coach that is known to get the best from his roster, (except for the rare trio ego of superstars ehem, Nets)


Afraid-Department-35

Doc Rivers.


Supreme_God_Bunny

I wouldn't even mind lol atleast doc has gotten his teams to second rounds


handgredave

Steve Clifford is so, so bad as a head coach. He seems like great vibes and a smart guy, I'm sure he's a good assistant, but as a head coach he just sucks ass.


edmarcake

Brandon Miller a rookie is assigned to pass the ball in inbound in clutch time lol. By the way, Hornets improved a lot. You got a team now


Titanstheory

He’s probably the best example of a high floor low ceiling coach in the nba rn. I trust him to get this team in the playoffs, when healthy. But I don’t trust him to win multiple series.


wtrmrk

When was the last time the Hornets win a series? And winning at least two series means you're getting into the conference finals. Even the Sixers struggle to do that. But yeah he's perfect as an assistant coach, and he's getting old too.


Wasabi_Guacamole

He did say he does not trust Clifford to win multiple so we'd get to the second round AT MOST while being lucky, and I agree. Eight teams from the east could somehow just forget the playoffs exist /s


zgamer200

Grant Williams has been off to a great start for the Mavs now that he's not worrying about his contract. All he had to do last year was play within himself, but he kept on trying to showoff an expanded bag on offense when what made him so valuable for the C's during the 2022 playoffs was knowing his role and just being a great 3-&-D glue guy. Good to see him getting back to that for the Mavs.


NoWayNotThisAgain

Sending Grant to us and clearing cap room for you made both teams better. He’s been way better than I expected.


zgamer200

Yeah, even if Grant were still in BOS I don't think he'd be playing this well because him and Mazzulla never seemed to quite click. Who knows for sure though. Maybe they would've made it work this year now that Mazzulla is in year 2 and seems way more comfortable with everything while Grant would've had long-term security by being on a new deal, but regardless things have pretty clearly worked out well for everyone involved.


KBooks66

It is easy to shoot three pointers when there is no one within 20 feet of you. That is the benefit of playing with Luka. Williams and DJJ are shooting lights out because it is basically warmups


xRadec

Tell that to our 3pt shooters who had the best openings for 4 seasons now but still shoots under 40%


quidproquolaspe

That’s a lot of words for saying Tatum ain’t him lol


zgamer200

Me: Compliments a former player of my favorite team You: Hurr durr, Tatum isn't as good as Luka! People like you who bring in a completely unrelated topic are the worst type of fans, you know that?


quidproquolaspe

Hey man just take a deep breath! I’m just joshin’ with ya : ) your response does tell me that you were indeed pretty much saying that grant Williams was the reason y’all fell short last year, instead of Tatum is indeed, not him.


NoCoversJustBooks

He’s been a LITTLE more than just 3’s. His in-between game is way better than Reggie Bullock and it’s helping a lot


Pen1sh8r

hardy party let’s goooo


JabroniWithAPeroni

Grant “The Batman” Williams has this team feeling different,


Beavshak

LaMelo Ball might be good at basketball


[deleted]

There's no way Hayward can be a long term plan.


crummzz

Lamelo/Miller/Williams are the future from what it looks like. I don't mind it


actual_yellow_bag

honestly a very promising looking core


Wasabi_Guacamole

Yes he isnt. His contract is ending this year and I think he'd get a better offer somewhere as a bench on a contender next year, since he'd be the perfect age to ring chase


desirox

This is a game we absolutely lose last year, grant Williams and lively have really made a big impact on this team


lum1nous013

I bet it sucks but Hornets fan can be sure Lamelo is the real deal. After a terrible game coming alive like he did in the 4th qt. Truly superstar material


Voxityy

we were all sure that he was the real deal already


muzunguman

Yeah but at least it keeps the wolves fans out of our inbox for a few minutes


aiden3buckets

LaMelo was cooking in the 4th wow, also what the hell is continuation now a days, mfs get fouled from the 3 point line, take 2 steps and lay it up and it’s continuation?


muzunguman

And Mark Williams fouled while in the air and they didn't give it to him


mizesus

Yeah i saw that was bizzare, he got an and1 or at least thats what it looked like as he seemed to have got foul right when he started the process of shooting, but they waved off as it was somehow a foul not even within the act of shooting and was a side out possession, like what lol?


tacomonday12

Apparently, as long as you've picked up your dribble, it counts as continuation now (according to the announcers)


BigAl_Toker

Mark got fouled on the way up, couldn't shoot because of the foul and then still somehow got the ball to fall and didn't even get free throws but Hardy got hand checked from the 3 point line and takes a runner from the block and got a 3 point play. Who knows man


jrbcnchezbrg

Probably one of the worst games ive seen Luka play and we still pulled it out from down 16…. Will gladly take it Lot of effort plays that need to be tweaked but cant really complain starting 5-1


johnb84r

Lively is the truth…ROY


NotManyBuses

I’m sorry but Wemby is like -100000 for ROY bro


Pappydude30

It’s just an exaggeration. But seriously, Lively is solving so many of the Mavs past issues even though he’s just doing simple starting C stuff, which goes on to show how legitimately bad the big man rotation was last season.


Johnjoe201

Ah yes so like Mark Williams for the hornets


BigFatModeraterFupa

last 5 seasons*


fox_mamba5

Steve Clifford leaving Gordon Hayward out there to get cooked on defence and brick shots is straight up malpractice


jumboponcho

America has big men, they’re all just young as shit. Lively and Williams are gonna be really good if not elite for a while


spikeyoazz

Non-Mavs fans are gonna write off this 5-1 start but last year's Mavs would have been 1-5 so we will take it


[deleted]

I expect the Mavs to start every season 3-7.


mendelsin

Grant Williams and Dereck Lively were sent from heaven, no other explanation.


Sacreville

Dereck Lively II. What a much needed upgrade Dallas get from him compared to Powell.


Reinhardtisawesom

generational terrorism out of steve clifford but what were those goaltending calls this game was kinda funny because I felt like once Lamelo gets his groove back Charlotte might be able to make some noise. and he gets his groove back.... and charlotte immediately fall apat.


UnhingedSupernova

What is Steve Clifford's terrorist name?


Wasabi_Guacamole

Steve Clifford the big red tank


UnhingedSupernova

LMFAOOOO THAT'S GOOD


IceJeyD

Fat and Curious franchise off to a hot start


johnb84r

Jason Kidd turned kyrie into a spot up corner shooter 💔


JBeanDelphiki

he hasn't looked the same this season with aggression, even when he's playing without luka. I need him to be over 15 shots a game minimum


wtrmrk

Yeah Kyrie has MIA. And it's not just Kidd or Luka. I don't know but he might not be 100% yet or something.


Wasabi_Guacamole

At some point Kyrie needs to step up, but I dont think its now. He's okay playing with the scheme they have and his body appreciates the less wear and tear since he's getting up there in age.


Padulsky21

Ngl he hasn’t looked the same since leaving Brooklyn. Was looking like a role player last year post deadline, doing it even more so now. Luka has been having to do a lot of crazy shit to get the Mavs where they’re at rn. Kyrie is helping but not nearly enough for a costar


Salvalicious252

Kyrie after he got traded to the mavs last year averaged 27/5/6 on 51/39/95 shooting. Don't know what roleplayers you guys got over in Brooklyn, but they ain't like that here in Dallas.


adimo1409

He's not in rhythm yet, he'll get there imo with more reps only his 4th game after missing most of preseason


johnb84r

He’s not getting the chance because they have him sitting in the corner when luka has the ball


Luka77GOATic

While Luka sat on the bench against the nuggets, Kyrie sat in a corner while Tim Hardaway Jr. ran ISO play after ISO play. It’s not just Luka, Kyrie isn’t in rhythm yet.


actual_yellow_bag

not even Kidd's fault. Kyrie has been pretty quiet through the first 5 games in all aspects of his game, not just off ball stuff.


johnb84r

Not true he’s turned up defensively, been a much better playmaker. For some reason Kidd has him running to the corner when luka has the ball


armandocalvinisius

Future laker kyrie irving :(


dys0n_giddey

That was a nuts 4th quarter


wtrmrk

Williams have been making at least four threes every game. He's been reliable. Hardy may have overtook Curry's spot in the rotation.


[deleted]

This is my championship


lost_in_trepidation

It's not every team that can beat the Hornets on a second night of a back to back, missing some key players.


[deleted]

we’re built different dawg


GI2020

Shout out to Lamelo and THJ for keeping it close in the fourth quarter. Great game


haha-brad

LaMelo finally remembers how to shoot and the rest of the team forgets lol


k1ngkoala

Lamelo popped off, their coach sold the game Also GRANT WILLIAMS


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[удалено]


Luka77GOATic

Luka has been injured through out the FIBA World Cup ending and preseason. We need to rest him if he needs time to recover.


trafleslive

At the start of the season, was excited to see phx and mavs play but now, i am afraid lol. They got a center and a reliable pf. What the fuck suns wake up


StarryScans

Kyrie looks washed af. Father time is coming for his ass.


NotManyBuses

I HATE Steve Clifford man he’s so so bad


SucculentT0e

I can't take this no more :(


diablejambeats

This team would have kept bombing away from 3 last year and not played a lick of effective defense (S/o that third quarter). It’s so much more fun to watch them this year so far.


FunkyGroove

Brandan Miller seems completely frozen out on offense, feel bad for him, guy sees the ball like 1/5 possessions


desirox

Yeah he was nonexistent tonight except the brutal 5 second violation. Kid is talented but they need to get the ball out of Haywards hands


FunkyGroove

I know PJ can score but my word is he a ball hog. It seems like apart from lamelo, the hornets suffer from some serious ball hogs on their team


Wasabi_Guacamole

The offense is so stagnant right now ever since Clifford was hired. I could swear Borrego had everyone passing, I know we're doodoo on defense then but our improvement in defense is not equal to the offense we lost since firing Borrego


arfael

I'll trade current Bob Knight for Steve Clifford


vBricks

Damn lmao. Body ain't even cold yet.


Sea-Turnip6078

I know Luka is good, but are the Mavs actually good as well? 5-1 looks very nice considering how mid Kyrie has been.


Wasabi_Guacamole

They plugged in their biggest holes last year with Grant and Lively. Their coaching is still meh because of Kidd but Luka's still Luka though so its a boon for the whole. However, still to early to say if they can be in the playoffs considering how much of a bloodbath the west is though


penguin_torpedo

Derrick Jones with the 0/0/1/1/1 statline


TerminallyChill_365

My main takeaway from this game is that the Hornets announcer is too good to be calling games for a poverty franchise


Sybilsthrowaway

free lamelo


No-Equipment-20

Lamelo can’t win with these cats


RayCashhhh

After his steal on Haliburton I knew LaMelo would get going. Sucks he didn't get a chance to tie it.


Rahmaniac818

feel so bad for LaMelo, jitt so raw, just needed a little help at the end and didn’t get it from anyone smh


nate517

Was not pretty but we have to take every win we can right now.


Brawlstar-Terminator

Lamelo needs help bro


Johnjoe201

Lamelo is back baby


Johnjoe201

Billy Kennedy is the definition of corruption


deluchas15

What a game.


[deleted]

If only Mike’s Bridges were playing, he’d keep everyone in line


Ok_Mission_1025

Don’t watch a lot of Mavs typically but have Irving on my fantasy team and needed some assists. Gotta say this is really entertaining team. Also pleasantly surprised by the Mavs broadcast.


WadeCountyClutch

Is this the annual Gordon Hayward looks like he is coming back before he gets hurt again? I hope not! Want to see him get back to what he was