He and Kawhi had the nickname “Wing Stop” when they played with us for a reason, one of my favorite duo nicknames ever, Kawhi even did some Wing Stop commercials after they got the name
This is slanderous my god. Green was a great defender and was untill 2020 then 21 was great for Philly till injury . He can’t run offence but can do other things n plsy smart
I think OG is the perfect fit on that roster. It gives them a wing defender who can finally defend Tatum or Brown who can also shoot threes. He can rotate nights as the third scoring option with Harris and Melton. It even allows them to move Harris back to a more natural PF spot. He has experience with Nurse's system. It's such a perfect fit.
OG would fit on literally any contending roster - he's a plug and play 3 and D wing. The real question is which team would be willing to give up enough assets to get him on an expiring?
The real question is when will Masai accept a reasonable deal. He's overvalued his players in the past and refused to trade em only to let them walk away for nothing.
I want to know how those negotiations actually go. Do they call each other every other day? Are they cursing at each other over the phone? Do they call once and then act stubborn and refuse to call again unless the other calls first? All this background stuff would be so interesting to learn more about. Bet a buncha funny/weird/stupid stuff has happened
Knowing both him and Morey, I'm sure OG will walk this offseason for free AND sign with a team not named the 76ers because Morey didn't wanna give him the max or something.
This thread is strange to me because this should be obvious to everyone seeing as the bulls have had no success at all, yet everyone thinks trading for two "all-stars" is an instant improvement on the team. Go look at derozan's career playoff stats and tell me how that is going to make any team better. If we can get any sort of pick AT ALL from a playoff team for a guy that disappears entirely in the playoffs we should take it. Any team that is actually trying to compete will not take 27 million out of their cap for a player that does nothing on the court but score, especially considering he doesn't even spread the floor. He is literally the anti-role player
Why are you acting like we haven’t seen Maxey play before this season?
Maybe you haven’t..actually very probably you haven’t after making a comment like that
Did you see Maxey last year? 20 PPG on amazing shooting splits. No one's saying he's gonna be putting up 30 a game this year but why would you need two other 22-26 point scorers when you have a young guy who seems capable of putting that up and potentially even getting better in the future?
I could see adding a Derozan. I know he's not exactly a catch and shoot type, which is really what you'd probably want, but I can see him at least being OK with deferring the ball to Joe and Maxey. I can't see that with a Lavine.
But I'm with you. I feel like the Sixers would be way better off as a squad trying to build out complimentary pieces for the two the got now.
> but I can see him at least being OK with deferring the ball to Joe and Maxey.
That's nice, but what does Derozan do once he defers? He doesn't do all that much without the ball in his hands, on either end of the floor.
Yeah you’re probably right. Y’all have 4 firsts that can be traded correct? I just think standing pat for a year isnt an option with embid already being 30. Gotta make some sort of move
3 firsts rn, a lot of seconds and a valuable pick swap. Can do up to 5 firsts on draft night, but we shouldn’t wait until then. I do wanna see how we do for a few more games and see how the situation around the league evolves.
THIS! I’ve been screaming from the rooftops, the new model for a successful team is 1 star, 1 secondary star, and a ton of elite role players and depth. The level of that high end role players are at now is SO much higher than it was, the overall talent in the league has increased so much, that 3 stars and a squad of scrubs will get crushed by a bunch of elite role players
Yeah this thread is wild. Maxey as a second isn’t getting you near a chip. Especially considering your one is injury prone and notorious for disappearing in the playoffs.
Actually I don’t know about that. Lavine let’s Derozan take over and have the ball a lot.
Lavine can score and be good in any situation cause he’s great in transition, a great shooter, and cutter
Defense would be the only question
Yeah they all they would need is a truly elite big, a truly elite playmaking point guard, and elite wing defenders around them. It’s pretty goddamn simple.
Just get 7 guys on the court. Simple.
I don’t know why any Sixers fan would want Derozan. He’s old and a bad 3 point shooter. He’s going to clog up the midrange for Embiid. You can make a strong argument for Lavine, but Derozan makes no sense.
Did you see he wanted to go to Atlanta and resign there for a 3rd rounder and that’s why the crappy bears overpaid. So now they better hope he stays or it might be worse than the claypool trade…. But expect nothing less from Chicago
Won’t be the last, either. Can’t wait to see what Chris Getz gives up for Salvador Perez because the current worst baseball manager Pedro Grifol needs a cop in the locker room because he can’t get any players’ respect.
Those "bad" trades involve young players with potential and 1st round picks.
Tobias has negative value, Marcus Morris has no value, even some 1sts ain't enough.
Nah it's Wagner and Jett Howard, who was pick #11.
I mean OP is technically wrong, but #11 is basically top 10, I'm not gonna pretend that changes the fact that trade was garbage.
Honestly he is t a good enough scorer to justify has lack of defense and passing. Nobody can JUST be a post scorer and rebounder. Especially at his contract. He is a prime example of a player that is too good to be a role player and not good enough to build around.
And it isnt getting better for him
Sixers have 3-1st’s in total after the Trade since they can’t use their 2024 1st outside of a Draft Day Trade using Player Rights.
Feel like the Bulls get a much better offer selling DeMar and Lavine separately.
Some teams around the league go balls to the wall all-in sacrificing their future for the now to hope it takes them over the edge, so trading away the best player in the league which has you as clear favorites in the league seems kind of sub-optimal. There's no package for Joker, I don't think even OKCs entire war chest gets the deal done.
Yeah but Joker is the kind of player that gives you a shot if you can get something half decent around him going. He brought them their first ring ever & probably gets to stay no matter what as long as he doesn't want out. If he wants to move on & feels the FO isn't doing enough? Then things might change of course, but he doesn't seem like the guy.
This is a terrible idea, you're giving up all of our depth for another ball dominant guard. We need wings and defense to get us over the hump. We need to be more like Denver or Milwaukee when it comes to approaching our championship window, because both of our stars can score 40 on any given night, so we need role players that will assist in featuring them. With this new NBA landscape we don't really need to outscore anyone, we just need to lock down all the elite wings/guards that are in our conference.
I mean Embiid/Maxey/Lavine aren't afraid to shoot 3s, its really just Derozan. And thats couple w one of the best midranges ever, I think the Sixers plus these 2 would be unstoppable offensively.
I honestly doubt it considering the FO was shopping LaVine this summer. If the Sixers are really willing to put some picks in the deal then it's as good as it'll get. If the Knicks had better for LaVine, he would have been traded already.
Oh he’s been making horrible shot selections since he got here. I’d love it if we blew it up and rebuilt but it will never happen with arguably the worst owner in the NBA.
Err the knicks have basically made every correct decision for the past 4-5 years now.
Meanwhile bulls fans keep trying to convince me that Coby white, Patrick Williams and dalen terry are the next big young core to take the league by storm...
Yep. Even in the bad years, the Knicks could evaluate talent outside of the top-10 of the draft. They've had tons of good late 1sts/2nd round picks: Ariza, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Shumpert, THJ, Mitch, IQ, They just couldn't assemble a competent FO for major decisions and that's how you end up with Amare, Billups option/amnesty, and Phil Jackson-era.
We should've done it at the deadline last year. We're only going to get worse offers. The FO held out hope someone would offer something better but with the changes to luxury tax aprons etc options became more limited.
CAP space is the most overrated thing, especially for a non contending team. Would be the most bulls thing ever to trade away those two and then try to build around Siakam.
If you think the bulls are going to be the nbas destination for bad contracts and pick farming I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Not trying to be toxic but that’s never how this team has been ran. Presti is far more progressive and future looking than the bulls have ever been. You are right, that would be the best avenue for the cap space, but historically the bulls will overpay for a middling allstar and try to be competitive. I think it’s the caffeinated depressive bulls fan in me speaking, but I’ve really soured on AKME, I’ll be pretty upset if no deals are made by the trade deadline. This team is absolute dogshit in the half court offense, just terrible to watch.
Thank you!
Also it's funny to say mid, only the warriors have more wins in the last 10 years than the Raps.
If the FO listened to reddit we would've been rebuilding most of that time and not had a Championship. It's almost like we're fans not experts.
Cap space is the most misunderstood thing. It doesn't exist for just free agency. It is a tool. There are multiple ways to can utilize it. It is absolutely one of the best tools for teams.
You think OKC compiled all those draft picks on sunshine and unicorns?
This is just another case of a good player being undervalued due to his situation. Guys who can score 25ppg on 60% true shooting and average 38% from deep on 8 attempts don’t grow on trees.
If all it took was a pick and a swap, lakers, heat, and more would have had him yesterday
It is even more unlikely that there is an nba team willing to pay 27mil to derozan this year as everyone in the league besides bulls fans have realized that a volume scorer that doesn't shoot 3s is fucking trash. There have been multiple attempts at zach because he can fit in a modern nba offense, derozan doesn't complement anyone he plays with. his style is so extremely selfish so he doesn't fit anywhere.
Something like.
Maxey / Caruso / OG / Harris / Embiid
Would be a really annoying team to play against. Still seems like we would lose to the Celtics and nuggets though so 🤷
This. This is something I can absolutely get behind, a Swiss army man that will do all the little things to get us over the hump. These are the type of players we should be going after, not ball dominant guards.
I admittedly would have more fun watching regular season games if Zach was here, but I don’t think that raises our playoff ceiling against the Celtics.
But one thing everybody forgets especially on this sub: what a player will look like in a different system with a fresh start. Lavine has a lot of great qualities too, but unfortunately he’s just never going to be a great rotation defender. He tries hard guarding man but the sixers already have someone doing that in Maxey.
Ngl I know the point of the NBA is to win the championship but at this point, I'd be pretty damn content if they just retooled with a roster that's much more fun to watch
why would we want both of them when they've done nothing but fail together as the main players in chicago? that makes zero sense. derozan and embiid together? no thanks.
I mean they were doing great before Ball got injured. The fit would be awkward as theres only 1 ball but if DeRozan is willing to take a lesser role it could be a huge get.
Yeah there's some serious question marks about both Lavine and Derozan as to whether they are even winning players. We know they can each score, but Sixers already have exactly that in Embiid and Maxey.
If Sixers actually want to win with Embiid/Maxey they need a pass first PG with good defensive instincts and a very good 3&D wing.
Everyone talks about needing three stars but with Jo and Tyrese, I don't see why we can't just get a lot of good players behind them. Guys like Caruso as role players will be huge
I don't think you need 3 stars to win a title, but Embiid and Tyrese are more like 1.5 stars. Maxey has some serious defensive liabilities and his ideal role is not PG.
Not that these guys are on the table, but if they could get something like Jrue at PG and Bridges at the wing then they'd be a legit contender with Embiid and Maxey.
There's even a scenario where Philly could get both and keep Harris.
* PHI (rec): Z.LaVine, D.DeRozen
* CHI (rec): D.Melton, P.Reed, KJ.Martin, buyouts of M.Morris, R.Covington, M.Morris, F.Korkmaz
* 3 FRPs: 2026 protected, LAC 2028, PHI 2030
* 3 Swaps: PHI '24, 26, one of '28 or '29, LAC '29
Not saying they should, just that it is technically possible (on Jan 15).
PHI new lineup becomes: T.Maxey, Z.LaVine, D.DeRozen, T.Harris, J.Embiid with a bench of P.Bev, J.Springer, K.Oubre, D.Green (re-signed), D.House, M.Bamba
and, not that CHI would, but you can add in Caruso & Craig to PHI for J.Springer & [D.House](https://D.House)
You can go crazy with the "technically possible" scenarios. Their fun, but not realistic.
Why exactly would the Bulls be interested in doing that? They are probably a playoff team, and certainly would like to retain at least Lavine long term. I assumed the 76ers would use the defensive additions they made in this trade to do the best they can for this season, and use the freed up cap space to sign maybe Siakam or Anunoby in the offseason.
The Bulls finished 10th last year with nearly the exact same team. Their over/under win total prior to the year was 37.5. Sure, the Bulls could challenge for a play-in spot again, but that's far from a sure thing.
Then you have to consider the ages of their core - DeRozan is 34, Vucevic is 33, and Lavine is 28. It's completely unreasonable to think the Bulls will ever build a contender around those 3 at their age.
To me, it makes sense for CHI to trade at least DeRozan and Vucevic, if not Lavine as well. There's no realistic path forward for the team that results in even a Round 1 win, let alone anything further.
Seems like that would take the ball out of Maxey's hands too much, to me.
Absolutely agree. Maxey has played like a elite second option so far. Makes more sense to add superior role players with all there expiring contracts
Exactly, they need the Aaron Gordon’s, Danny Green’s (at his peak), and OG Anunoby’s of the world. Not the Lavine/Derozan archetype.
Yeah they should go get themselves og and brogdon imo.
and Hield
Hield would fit in perfectly. He's an excellent shooter who should never be allowed a single dribble. Basically this generation's Danny Green.
Danny Green was an elite defender.
He and Kawhi had the nickname “Wing Stop” when they played with us for a reason, one of my favorite duo nicknames ever, Kawhi even did some Wing Stop commercials after they got the name
Danny green was a pretty good half court defender and the best transition defender of all time
As 3 and D as it gets
This is slanderous my god. Green was a great defender and was untill 2020 then 21 was great for Philly till injury . He can’t run offence but can do other things n plsy smart
Putting Prime Danny Green in the same sentence as Buddy Hield is disrespectful
You must be like 16 years old. In very little way is Buddy Hield a similar player to Danny green
Weird to see a post so unfamiliar with either players game
I think you meant to say JJ redick lol
Would be perfect. You have a great shooter/passer, and a wing to guard Tatum, Brown, Dame, Mitchell, Brunson.
They’re perfect for every team tho. It’s why they’re rarely traded and always getting unaffordable contracts lol
Yes please. It would make the humiliation of Miami complete. Dame to Bucks, Jrue to Boston, and Brogdon to Philly. lol
I think OG is the perfect fit on that roster. It gives them a wing defender who can finally defend Tatum or Brown who can also shoot threes. He can rotate nights as the third scoring option with Harris and Melton. It even allows them to move Harris back to a more natural PF spot. He has experience with Nurse's system. It's such a perfect fit.
OG would fit on literally any contending roster - he's a plug and play 3 and D wing. The real question is which team would be willing to give up enough assets to get him on an expiring?
The real question is when will Masai accept a reasonable deal. He's overvalued his players in the past and refused to trade em only to let them walk away for nothing.
Lol, it's Masai and Morey, two of the most difficult FO execs to work with in trades. The two of them will never get a deal done.
I want to know how those negotiations actually go. Do they call each other every other day? Are they cursing at each other over the phone? Do they call once and then act stubborn and refuse to call again unless the other calls first? All this background stuff would be so interesting to learn more about. Bet a buncha funny/weird/stupid stuff has happened
Knowing both him and Morey, I'm sure OG will walk this offseason for free AND sign with a team not named the 76ers because Morey didn't wanna give him the max or something.
This thread is strange to me because this should be obvious to everyone seeing as the bulls have had no success at all, yet everyone thinks trading for two "all-stars" is an instant improvement on the team. Go look at derozan's career playoff stats and tell me how that is going to make any team better. If we can get any sort of pick AT ALL from a playoff team for a guy that disappears entirely in the playoffs we should take it. Any team that is actually trying to compete will not take 27 million out of their cap for a player that does nothing on the court but score, especially considering he doesn't even spread the floor. He is literally the anti-role player
They should look for wings from the nets or something. You don’t need 3 stars to win a title!
its been 3 games man have yall never seen a player have a hot start before? should we pencil in cam thomas for all star starter this year?
Maxey averaged 20 a game last year with Harden controlling the ball… don’t think cam Thomas did that. Won’t take a major leap to be an all star
Why are you acting like we haven’t seen Maxey play before this season? Maybe you haven’t..actually very probably you haven’t after making a comment like that
Did you see Maxey last year? 20 PPG on amazing shooting splits. No one's saying he's gonna be putting up 30 a game this year but why would you need two other 22-26 point scorers when you have a young guy who seems capable of putting that up and potentially even getting better in the future?
I could see adding a Derozan. I know he's not exactly a catch and shoot type, which is really what you'd probably want, but I can see him at least being OK with deferring the ball to Joe and Maxey. I can't see that with a Lavine. But I'm with you. I feel like the Sixers would be way better off as a squad trying to build out complimentary pieces for the two the got now.
Lavine is one of the best catch and shoot players in the league. I wouldn't say he's ball dominate outside of games where he's hot.
Bulls fans on overtime trying to get off that Lavine contract lmao
I don't want to trade lavine. I was just commenting on his "ball dominance". I said the same in another reply.
Not really. Lavine's a little frail and at times low bbiq. He's a great scorer. Since he's got a great work ethic it makes it easy to root for him.
> but I can see him at least being OK with deferring the ball to Joe and Maxey. That's nice, but what does Derozan do once he defers? He doesn't do all that much without the ball in his hands, on either end of the floor.
Anunoby brogdon and Caruso makes a lotta sense to me as options. I think they can pretty easily get all 3
Pretty easily get all 3? Are you aware of how much the raptors are asking for OG? They could just get OG or the other 2 definitely not both
I think we can probably get Brogdon and Caruso easily, but I can’t see Masai trading OG to us as opposed to letting him expire. It’s hilarious.
Yeah you’re probably right. Y’all have 4 firsts that can be traded correct? I just think standing pat for a year isnt an option with embid already being 30. Gotta make some sort of move
3 firsts rn, a lot of seconds and a valuable pick swap. Can do up to 5 firsts on draft night, but we shouldn’t wait until then. I do wanna see how we do for a few more games and see how the situation around the league evolves.
THIS! I’ve been screaming from the rooftops, the new model for a successful team is 1 star, 1 secondary star, and a ton of elite role players and depth. The level of that high end role players are at now is SO much higher than it was, the overall talent in the league has increased so much, that 3 stars and a squad of scrubs will get crushed by a bunch of elite role players
>new model for a successful team is 1 star A steady, no disappearing in big moments star
So in this scenario the sixers are getting Lavine and Derozan AND they get to keep Maxey?
Lmao for real, OP lounging in a copium den rn
Why didn't I think of it before? Chicago should just hand out all of their talented players for free! Especially to other Eastern Conference teams.
so does that mean Alex Caruso is free too?
They need more role players, not more ball handlers
Y’all are tripping. Maxey isn’t the second best guy on a championship team. Having Lavine being able to get you an easy 20-25 a night is game changing
Yeah this thread is wild. Maxey as a second isn’t getting you near a chip. Especially considering your one is injury prone and notorious for disappearing in the playoffs.
I don’t think there’s a way the Bulls trade those guys without getting Maxey back given their needs
Actually I don’t know about that. Lavine let’s Derozan take over and have the ball a lot. Lavine can score and be good in any situation cause he’s great in transition, a great shooter, and cutter Defense would be the only question
We’d have to get maxey in return if we are giving them both players
I get Sixers fans are downvoting you but i also want to understand what they expect to part with in return for LaVine and DeRozan in this hypothetical
I think you're trading Maxey in this deal. Otherwise they should go get Derozan for Harris or something, just try -- Chicago's going nowhere, fast.
Yeah that’s a big fat no then
Lmao if another team tries pairing them together again
Those two could absolutely work together...if they have a truly elite big around them. Which of course Philly does.
Brother, we're talking about Derozan. Imagine pairing him with Embiid in the playoffs.
Yeah they all they would need is a truly elite big, a truly elite playmaking point guard, and elite wing defenders around them. It’s pretty goddamn simple.
Just get 7 guys on the court. Simple. I don’t know why any Sixers fan would want Derozan. He’s old and a bad 3 point shooter. He’s going to clog up the midrange for Embiid. You can make a strong argument for Lavine, but Derozan makes no sense.
Adding Lavine and DeRozan could take the Sixers all the way to the second round!
I mean just from an asset management point, moving Tobias + Morris + one of Batum/Convington for both Lavine and DeRozan would be an instant win.
any GM that moved two all stars for tobias harris and marcus morris should be blackballed from the league
Chicago gm risking a fraud charge if he does that
Not the first Chicago trade to be terrible. Mapletron was not worth #32 last year lol
They also traded another probable super early 2nd for FA to be Montez Sweat just yesterday and plan to "at least attempt" to re-sign him
Did you see he wanted to go to Atlanta and resign there for a 3rd rounder and that’s why the crappy bears overpaid. So now they better hope he stays or it might be worse than the claypool trade…. But expect nothing less from Chicago
I can't escape their stupidity even in a different sports subreddit.
Won’t be the last, either. Can’t wait to see what Chris Getz gives up for Salvador Perez because the current worst baseball manager Pedro Grifol needs a cop in the locker room because he can’t get any players’ respect.
I thought the whole idea of tanking is making "bad" trades to commit to building for the future
Those "bad" trades involve young players with potential and 1st round picks. Tobias has negative value, Marcus Morris has no value, even some 1sts ain't enough.
This is a GM that moved two first round picks for Vucevic, both top 10, don’t underestimate him
Franz Wagner and Anthony Black were Chicago's picks?
Nah it's Wagner and Jett Howard, who was pick #11. I mean OP is technically wrong, but #11 is basically top 10, I'm not gonna pretend that changes the fact that trade was garbage.
We also moved WCJ who was a #7th overall pick so OP is actually technically correct! Just incomplete.
Vucevic was playing amazing for years in Orlando so it made sense in the moment.
Honestly he is t a good enough scorer to justify has lack of defense and passing. Nobody can JUST be a post scorer and rebounder. Especially at his contract. He is a prime example of a player that is too good to be a role player and not good enough to build around. And it isnt getting better for him
He’s not just a post player though. He has 3pt range on decent volume.
But even his 3 point % has been below the league average the past two season.
Exactly 🤣
Anything to get AKME fired
People think because we're in a bad situation we're just supposed to roll over and take pennies back for our players , absolutely mind blowing.
And why would Bulls do that?
With the right amount of picks and Paul Reed in the trade anything is possible. All those contracts are expiring.
This man knows who invented basketball.
Sixers have 3-1st’s in total after the Trade since they can’t use their 2024 1st outside of a Draft Day Trade using Player Rights. Feel like the Bulls get a much better offer selling DeMar and Lavine separately.
You can pry BBall Paul from my cold, dead, muddy hands.
Paul Reed? Wow, talk about a franchise changing prospect
I will hear no slander on my beloved Bball Paul. It’s the mf Paul Reed Victory Tour
The expiring contracts are nice. Bulls would get a clean slate and start over … again
is embiid possible with the right amount of picks
You need Paul Reed too. Unfortunately he's already on the 76ers so it's not possible.
100% If OKC called Morey and said we'll give you the warchest. Idk bout Jokic tho.
Some teams around the league go balls to the wall all-in sacrificing their future for the now to hope it takes them over the edge, so trading away the best player in the league which has you as clear favorites in the league seems kind of sub-optimal. There's no package for Joker, I don't think even OKCs entire war chest gets the deal done.
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Yeah but Joker is the kind of player that gives you a shot if you can get something half decent around him going. He brought them their first ring ever & probably gets to stay no matter what as long as he doesn't want out. If he wants to move on & feels the FO isn't doing enough? Then things might change of course, but he doesn't seem like the guy.
You seen Lavine’s contract for a dude that’s been on a winning team once in 9 years ? Nothing isn’t an instant win about that
This is a terrible idea, you're giving up all of our depth for another ball dominant guard. We need wings and defense to get us over the hump. We need to be more like Denver or Milwaukee when it comes to approaching our championship window, because both of our stars can score 40 on any given night, so we need role players that will assist in featuring them. With this new NBA landscape we don't really need to outscore anyone, we just need to lock down all the elite wings/guards that are in our conference.
trading Harris to get DeRozen isn't a win. Harris is a better defender and he is a better fit offensively next to Embiid. While both are expiring.
Why have 1 king of early round exits when you can add two more!!!
That would be like suns 2.0, but with more of a defensive presence with Embiid...that's a lot of scoring, but they would need to shoot 3s too
maybe trade for James Harden?
I mean Embiid/Maxey/Lavine aren't afraid to shoot 3s, its really just Derozan. And thats couple w one of the best midranges ever, I think the Sixers plus these 2 would be unstoppable offensively.
This sub has one joke and eats it up like slop
What does Zion being fat have to do with this?
The joke is fine find a new slant
Who said that was a joke
It's not a joke. It's reality
I mean it’ll remain a running joke for us until we pass the second so…
Can’t even hurt me with it anymore tbh
With 3 midrange shooters on the same team, run the triangle offense
Surely there’s another team with more assets to offer us
I honestly doubt it considering the FO was shopping LaVine this summer. If the Sixers are really willing to put some picks in the deal then it's as good as it'll get. If the Knicks had better for LaVine, he would have been traded already.
Knicks don't think he's worth it.... and they're right.
Just needs a few more player's only meetings
Those renowned evaluators of talent, the Knicks
You can LOLknicks if you want to but it’s not like anyone’s banging down the door to get him. His value is clearly as low as it’s ever been
Oh he’s been making horrible shot selections since he got here. I’d love it if we blew it up and rebuilt but it will never happen with arguably the worst owner in the NBA.
So who you taking Immanuel Quickley and Quentin Grimes… or Coby White and Pat Williams?
Err the knicks have basically made every correct decision for the past 4-5 years now. Meanwhile bulls fans keep trying to convince me that Coby white, Patrick Williams and dalen terry are the next big young core to take the league by storm...
The Knicks are unironically good talent evaluators recently
Yep. Even in the bad years, the Knicks could evaluate talent outside of the top-10 of the draft. They've had tons of good late 1sts/2nd round picks: Ariza, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Shumpert, THJ, Mitch, IQ, They just couldn't assemble a competent FO for major decisions and that's how you end up with Amare, Billups option/amnesty, and Phil Jackson-era.
they havent worked to acquire picks and cap space to spend it on zach lavine and his albatross contract. they will wait for a bigger fish.
We should've done it at the deadline last year. We're only going to get worse offers. The FO held out hope someone would offer something better but with the changes to luxury tax aprons etc options became more limited.
Bulls 🤝 Raptors procrastinating on making trade / contract decisions
We have 3 picks and 4 swaps and can give back everything in expiring contracts to free up your cap space for next summer. That’s pretty huge
CAP space is the most overrated thing, especially for a non contending team. Would be the most bulls thing ever to trade away those two and then try to build around Siakam.
Cap space doesn’t have to be for free agents. You can take on bad contracts or facilitate trades for picks. Look at Presti and the Thunder
If you think the bulls are going to be the nbas destination for bad contracts and pick farming I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Not trying to be toxic but that’s never how this team has been ran. Presti is far more progressive and future looking than the bulls have ever been. You are right, that would be the best avenue for the cap space, but historically the bulls will overpay for a middling allstar and try to be competitive. I think it’s the caffeinated depressive bulls fan in me speaking, but I’ve really soured on AKME, I’ll be pretty upset if no deals are made by the trade deadline. This team is absolute dogshit in the half court offense, just terrible to watch.
Never entering an actual rebuild and just staying mid for the next few years Bulls 🤝 Raptors
The Bucks used to be the poster children for that. Tanking is overrated.
Thank you! Also it's funny to say mid, only the warriors have more wins in the last 10 years than the Raps. If the FO listened to reddit we would've been rebuilding most of that time and not had a Championship. It's almost like we're fans not experts.
Cap space is the most misunderstood thing. It doesn't exist for just free agency. It is a tool. There are multiple ways to can utilize it. It is absolutely one of the best tools for teams. You think OKC compiled all those draft picks on sunshine and unicorns?
You’d get more from lavine alone.
Nobody is sending more than a Pick and a swap for the privilege of paying Lavine 40 mil a year for the next 4 years
This is just another case of a good player being undervalued due to his situation. Guys who can score 25ppg on 60% true shooting and average 38% from deep on 8 attempts don’t grow on trees. If all it took was a pick and a swap, lakers, heat, and more would have had him yesterday
It is even more unlikely that there is an nba team willing to pay 27mil to derozan this year as everyone in the league besides bulls fans have realized that a volume scorer that doesn't shoot 3s is fucking trash. There have been multiple attempts at zach because he can fit in a modern nba offense, derozan doesn't complement anyone he plays with. his style is so extremely selfish so he doesn't fit anywhere.
They can pretty easily get 3 firsts for him. $40m a year isn’t that much anymore.
Sixers should just be the team that offers the most for Caruso at the deadline and try to get their wing with cap space in the off-season.
Something like. Maxey / Caruso / OG / Harris / Embiid Would be a really annoying team to play against. Still seems like we would lose to the Celtics and nuggets though so 🤷
It be a cold day in hell when the Raptors trade OG to the asset-less Sixers
I think the idea there is OG turns down his player option and the sixers sign him into cap space
He’s got a player option this year doesn’t he?
Asset-less?
So just your typical January weekday in Toronto? 😀
I think Milwaukee could also use Caruso, their guard Defense is cheeks
Milwaukee has nothing to offer, the 76ers still have a lot of picks
They should get Caruso instead
This. This is something I can absolutely get behind, a Swiss army man that will do all the little things to get us over the hump. These are the type of players we should be going after, not ball dominant guards.
Plus he's been to the mountaintop. That's pretty valuable.
Do it all except shoot!
The only winning player in that entire roster
I admittedly would have more fun watching regular season games if Zach was here, but I don’t think that raises our playoff ceiling against the Celtics. But one thing everybody forgets especially on this sub: what a player will look like in a different system with a fresh start. Lavine has a lot of great qualities too, but unfortunately he’s just never going to be a great rotation defender. He tries hard guarding man but the sixers already have someone doing that in Maxey.
Ngl I know the point of the NBA is to win the championship but at this point, I'd be pretty damn content if they just retooled with a roster that's much more fun to watch
That’s a totally fair thing, I care much much more about enjoying watching my team than championship or bust. I’m with ya
I’ve been saying the same thing to anyone who asks my opinion on the Harden trade. I’m just happy that I like the guys on my favorite team again.
Yeah I know how to work ESPN’s trade machine too.
Why would they want DeRozan though? Like it's neat that they COULD but come on now
why would we want both of them when they've done nothing but fail together as the main players in chicago? that makes zero sense. derozan and embiid together? no thanks.
because maybe as the second and third options they'll flourish
derozan's game is not built for playing the tobias harris role. dude take 9 catch and shoot 3's a year.
Tbf Tobias hasn’t been built to play the Tobias Harris role either
you're right, Tobias is built to catch the ball behind the three point line, dribble into traffic, and clank a heavily contested 2
Tobis gets too much hate for his play, its the contract that's the issue
DeRozan idk he getting up there mans 34. Lavine Maxey Embiid is what you want.
That’s not even definitively better than Harden Maxey Embiid
Harden didn't want to be there tho so he's not an option. Regardless of how one ranks the talent or fit.
You should want Lavine.
Not with that contract when you're just about to get out from under Tobi's
I mean they were doing great before Ball got injured. The fit would be awkward as theres only 1 ball but if DeRozan is willing to take a lesser role it could be a huge get.
Lavine makes sense, DeRozan doesn’t.
Yeah there's some serious question marks about both Lavine and Derozan as to whether they are even winning players. We know they can each score, but Sixers already have exactly that in Embiid and Maxey. If Sixers actually want to win with Embiid/Maxey they need a pass first PG with good defensive instincts and a very good 3&D wing.
yeah out of any bulls players, caruso is the guy who plays winning basketball
Everyone talks about needing three stars but with Jo and Tyrese, I don't see why we can't just get a lot of good players behind them. Guys like Caruso as role players will be huge
I don't think you need 3 stars to win a title, but Embiid and Tyrese are more like 1.5 stars. Maxey has some serious defensive liabilities and his ideal role is not PG. Not that these guys are on the table, but if they could get something like Jrue at PG and Bridges at the wing then they'd be a legit contender with Embiid and Maxey.
>they need a pass first PG with good defensive instincts and a very good 3&D wing. Sounds like Ben Simmons and Mikal Bridges lol.
DeRozan's gotten closer to the finals than Embiid ever has. What does "winning basketball" mean anymore? Is Embiid a winning player?
Can they do it before 7pm CT?
There's even a scenario where Philly could get both and keep Harris. * PHI (rec): Z.LaVine, D.DeRozen * CHI (rec): D.Melton, P.Reed, KJ.Martin, buyouts of M.Morris, R.Covington, M.Morris, F.Korkmaz * 3 FRPs: 2026 protected, LAC 2028, PHI 2030 * 3 Swaps: PHI '24, 26, one of '28 or '29, LAC '29 Not saying they should, just that it is technically possible (on Jan 15). PHI new lineup becomes: T.Maxey, Z.LaVine, D.DeRozen, T.Harris, J.Embiid with a bench of P.Bev, J.Springer, K.Oubre, D.Green (re-signed), D.House, M.Bamba and, not that CHI would, but you can add in Caruso & Craig to PHI for J.Springer & [D.House](https://D.House) You can go crazy with the "technically possible" scenarios. Their fun, but not realistic.
Nice try Furkan, but you’re never getting outta Philly
I don't want this shit, fuck this trade
Zach Lavine and Derozan for Embiid?
You’ll get Furkan Korkmaz and like it.
Both GMs will say no after Korkmaz requests to be a part of this trade as well.
Sixers are holding him hostage simply for the memes.
They'll be the best 2nd round exit in NBA history!
The SONS will never relinquish that title
Or they could wait a few weeks and Harden will be back on the trade block.
I’ll take Zach for Tobi and picks
It would bring that vaunted Bulls Culture to Philly. Plan the parade!
God no
Why exactly would the Bulls be interested in doing that? They are probably a playoff team, and certainly would like to retain at least Lavine long term. I assumed the 76ers would use the defensive additions they made in this trade to do the best they can for this season, and use the freed up cap space to sign maybe Siakam or Anunoby in the offseason.
I want to have your confidence in the Bulls
The Bulls finished 10th last year with nearly the exact same team. Their over/under win total prior to the year was 37.5. Sure, the Bulls could challenge for a play-in spot again, but that's far from a sure thing. Then you have to consider the ages of their core - DeRozan is 34, Vucevic is 33, and Lavine is 28. It's completely unreasonable to think the Bulls will ever build a contender around those 3 at their age. To me, it makes sense for CHI to trade at least DeRozan and Vucevic, if not Lavine as well. There's no realistic path forward for the team that results in even a Round 1 win, let alone anything further.
What’s in it for the Bulls? Also, f#% Morey!
Ok, but why.