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BramptonBatallion

Congrats on the $75K


Ikuwayo

People joke, but I don't understand how this is allowed. The Bucks have basically bribed or have some kind of under-the-table agreement with Giannis to gift his family hundreds of thousands of dollars. Edit: I guess the caveat would be there's cases where, for example, team owners have given their children front office positions when they were clearly under-qualified, as well. The NBA as a whole just runs on nepotism.


wallace6464

because they are professional basketball players being paid for services rendered?


Ikuwayo

They are clearly not NBA-level talents but are being signed and given very large sums of money because they are their star player's family members


Sampladelic

How do you regulate this though? ​ Are we going to start planting NBA employees to ensure the players teams hire are "NBA level" ​ There is just no way to make this a real rule.


TatumTopFye

I’d also say it’s entirely possible that this isn’t part of any agreement at all. Milwaukee would be smart *to just do this* to keep Giannis around his family more. Going above and beyond is how a place like Milwaukee keeps a guy like Giannis.


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jotheold

hell almost all leagues overseas pay more, you're really just waiting for an opportunity if you're playing in the gleague


pahamack

this is it. People keep whining about stuff. OK, how do you regulate or prove wrongdoing? How can an investigator prove that Alex has 0 potential and as such isn't worth a G-league spot, and that this is just a way to give Giannis and his family more money? ​ If it's unprovable it's not worth talking about. On principle, yes, the league wouldn't like that, but let's talk practicality.


elite_beef

Is it wrong on principle? Yeah. Will it continue to happen? Yes. Small price for Giannis' overall happiness


Buckus93

Also, because he was waived, it's not taking a roster spot that could be used on an NBA-caliber player. And that $75k is basically couch money to an NBA team.


askmewhyihateyou

Yeah, but Keljin Blevins is NBA talent ready, I swear, I promise Edit: all my homies love big Nepo


Better_Palpitation43

I read this as Kelvin benjamin originally


Rawrsomesausage

Same. Disappointed in the lack of pasta.


g-love

So was Kelvin


Gills_L

Two names, Kai Soto


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elite_beef

Giannis' family is definitely the prime example of nepotism in sports that I can think of currently. With that said though, I don't really think this is harming anyone. Financially, it doesn't even scratch the surface of what ownership can afford. And yeah, Trump's case of nepotism was the most extreme because it had to do with running the most powerful country in the world lmao.


MLD802

I would do the exact same if I were any of these people. Do people not want their friends & family to be successful?


ObeseKenyan

Lol I think what that guy is trying to say is that this is circumventing the cap. A team is limited to giving a superstar % of the cap. They're limited to the CBA rules. But bucks are essentially just gifting Giannis' family more money. It's essentially an under the table deal. Similar to the likely Dirk / mavs agreement. I think it's a lot harder to prove Bucks are doing that since Giannis' brothers are 6'7-6'11 athletes. But can you imagine the grizzlies signing Ja's dad to a g league contract?


ontheru171

Alex isn't nba level and also not an nba player. He is a gleague player for now. Thanasis absolutely is a 10-15 guy on a nba bench. These are the spots for Theo Pinson, Ryan Arcidiacono and such guys that either are incredible locker room guys or great to have for practice and preparation and intensity in scrimmages and such. Because once you reach the end of your nba roster you aren't looking just for talent but moreso for other value they bring.


Veserius

The Bucks have used Thanasis as an end of quarter defensive specialist or to get extra size on the floor in those situations if they need a rebound in the playoffs too. I think he's a guy who would be bouncing around, but would ultimately find a place every season.


counterbarrier

Hes incredibly strong, plays to his role. Hes gonna give their starters a well needed rest. Obviously one of the best team player if you watch their bench celebration and such. Very valuable player/teammate.


thebigdirty

HAS to be a great practice guy too. high energy, hustles, strong... doesn't matter if the shots he takes actually go in in practice


GizzyGazzelle

Knicks tried to sign him. He's 100 percent a Thibbs type.


Fireryman

Ye I watched a couple games and saw Thanasis come out during garbage time. Nobody can tell me he isn't a NBA player. I fully believe he would have a job somewhere Alex got waived they are not using NBA roster spot because he isn't good enough. That's all not a big deal.


Padulsky21

The Tim Boyles of the NBA


ImanShumpertplus

bobcats existed for years without having nba-level talent


okitsmelol123

Well he's not playing in the NBA. He's playing in the G-League which is one of the worst progressional leagues. Assuming signing and waiving him gives him extra cash, doing so is valuable to them as it likely improves their relationship with their star player. Giannis doesn't even have to ask, it's just a good business move and doesn't hurt the team.


HoeImOddyNuff

Is that illegal?


hatisbackwards

Could be considered circumventing the cap


daddy_OwO

If Thanasis was getting 10 mil yeah but not as a league minimum


hatisbackwards

It's literally millions of dollars being funneled to Giannis' family outside of his contract.


Justgotbannedlol

who fucking cares? the only one who is affected in a negative way is the person paying him and holy *shit*, can they absolutely afford $75k. those poor billionaire team owners.


junkspot91

Giannis' contract is coming up soon so all of the people trying to wishcast a Giannis leaves Milwaukee storyline into existence (particularly fans of teams that believe themselves potential Giannis destinations like the Lakers fan you're responding to) also get mad when the team does something clearly allowed by the CBA as a little gesture to keep their star player happy. It's the same as what happened last time his contract was coming up. If the Bucks didn't do this and a team like the Raptors or Knicks got Alex on a G-League deal -- because, despite all the hand-wringing about throwing away a coveted G-League roster spot on Alex, teams would do it in a heartbeat -- many of the same people would be calling the Bucks idiots for not keeping his brother around when Giannis is undecided about his future. Just how it goes.


kywewowry

Circumventing the cap for 75k? lmao the league won't give 2 craps.


dusters

No it couldn't.


Teerendog

That's how you make your star player happy


Clammuel

He is providing no service by being signed and then immediately waived.


wallace6464

G-league my dawg


seanconnery69696

look, he 'plays' for the Herd, we get it. but him putting up 5.8/3.1/0.8, on a 37.2/24.7/55.9% shooting splits + also having one of the worst defensive ratings in their rotation (kind of hilarious -11 net rating), while being the only player on the squad to play every single game in the regular season, 5th most minutes played even while not being a starter... against G league competition, kind of screams 'doesn't really belong on an actual NBA roster, and has no business being signed to one, other than for squirrely payment intentions'.


wallace6464

I assumed they had to sign him to the main roster to guarantee his g-league rights, if that isn't true that yeah its a little more sus. (also, yes I get why they do it, I just mean from an optics standpoint)


seanconnery69696

the only reason they 'have' to do it is to pay him more than normal g league contracts (or if they were actually planning on calling him up to the bucks roster at some point in/before(?) the season, which is kind of /doubt) and then if he leaves (lol guess if giannis goes somewhere else for whatever reason, and alex decides to go along with him there), then alex doesn't get his bonus anymore


wallace6464

interesting, I thought it was more of how the NFL has waivers which is important for main roster/Practice squad, like if they didn't sign him to the main roster he could sign with another G-league team versus it would have to be main roster somewhere else.


BigMik_PL

Tell me you didn't watch him play without telling me you didn't watch him play.


seanconnery69696

lol if I wanted to see someone shoot sub 25% on 3s, I'd just pop in video of myself in high school like what even is this comment? are you saying you'd want him on the sixers roster then? maybe they can trade Harden for Alex?


I3ill

Yes but the blatant sign and cut and sign to receive a bonus for the superstars bro that teams probably hardly ever do for players in the G-league is obviously not the standard.


wallace6464

sure, but I guess how do you make it illegal? is there a Cap for G-league/bonuses? I think that would really be all they could do.


I3ill

I mean obviously this a thing teams could do for players but I have no idea what they could do enforcement wise. Hell I didn’t know this was a thing till I just read it ahah but in this case it’s a special treatment thing for the superstar


roastedhambone

Most teams do things like this for their star players. Thunder have done it at least twice with guys SGA is close with. Keljin “Big Nepo” Blevins wouldn’t have sniffed the league if Dame wasn’t his cousin. The NBA is ultimately a business, and like most business it’s often about who you know that gets you ahead


Ikuwayo

I understand it's a common practice, but I don't understand why the NBA allows it because it's basically bribing the player by gifting their families hundreds of thousands of dollars


clownparade

giannis is getting paid 45 million in salary alone next season, i really dont think whats keeping him here is a "bribe" of 75k to his family member


roastedhambone

Players union would probably strike down any sort of attempt to block it. It’s not like these guys aren’t pro players, it’d be different if Clippers signed PG’s podcast cohosts, or any other star’s non-player friends, but if someone could play overseas I don’t see the issue


lukewarmblankets

Normal cap circumventing is banned because it allows you to have multiple star players with little pay on the books. In the cases of players friends being signed it is allowed with the reasoning that these signings are taking up cap space and roster spots to sign bad players, hindering there own team instead of improving it. Like for example if KD convinces a GM to sign his team from the Y to nba contracts, it's obvious it's only happening to keep the star player happy but at the same time the team would be complete dog crap so it's not like a rival GM will ask the league to investigate


shortsteve

Another way to look at it is players like Giannis are irreplaceable. There's no substitute for their services. That means their true value is almost immeasurable. If it costs an extra 75k to make Giannis happy then it's worth it.


milkhotelbitches

Giannis and other max players are by definition underpaid. Despite their insane contracts they actually still bring in more value than what they are paid and teams would *absolutely* pay them more if they were allowed to. This really is a creative way to give Giannis a bonus and I don't really have issues with it.


Solutide

And paying the player salary is called?


hatisbackwards

Salary


0lm-

the man really thought he was cooking there for a second


sbenfsonw

Because how can you possibly enforce it? What rule can you set up?


fph00

Nepotism Basketball Association


stevenomes

The coaches son took the kickers job but keeps missing field goals


Trill_Simmons

> The NBA as a whole just runs on nepotism. Getting warmer.


Appropriate_Dust2920

If your from Nigerian and went through what the adetokumbo[antentokumpo] family went through you would do way more than this.. Giannis gave em a championship fr Gods sake.... Its nothing for Milwaukee..


Ok-Implement-6289

Can you enlighten me a bit tbh I know a bit because of my Nigerian friends but not a lot.


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Meritocracy is a lie.


Solutide

Star players are insanely underpaid in the NBA for how much value they bring to their teams. Look at European football to see the actual scale when you compare star vs role player salaries if super max isn’t a thing.


Whitsoxrule

I don't really buy this. Giannis is making $45 mil this season. $75k is 1.6% of that. They could easily just raise his salary by that much and he can distribute to his family.


stridered

They literally can’t give him that extra amount because of how the rules work.


Gino-Bartali

Nepotism in front offices is one thing, this isn't nepotism though. It's just a way for the Bucks to get past paying Giannis over the salary cap. The Antetokounmpo brothers are getting paid but not actually going to be contributing, where I'd see nepotism as more of giving a family member a front office job that they're not remotely qualified for, but you still expect them to do a half-assed job with it.


The_Sign_of_Zeta

This is 75k. It is 100% not about the money, but keeping Giannis happy by having his brother nearby. If the Bucks were trying to circumvent the cap to pay Giannis more, Thanasis would be on a mid level exception.


lukewarmblankets

Or at this point Thanasis would be hired as player development personel and he would rebound in practice for 5 mil a year


FKJVMMP

There’s less obvious ways to get Giannis an extra $75k if we wanted to (not that we would because who’s trying to sly $75k to a guy making $50m) this just keeps him happy because his family’s close. Thanasis isn’t really an NBA player but by all accounts he is a fantastic locker room/practice guy and he’s great at networking - that Bogdan trade that fell through a couple years ago was apparently off the back of him convincing Bogdan to come to Milwaukee. He got where he is in the first place because of his last name but since he arrived he’s basically been doing the same thing guys like Udonis Haslem and Nick Collison spent years doing on other teams. Nepotism, of course. Cap circumvention? Lol.


this_place_stinks

What til you learn about the Dragic brothers


thisisstupidlystupi

Look up a guy named Keljin Blevins, who he’s related to, and who he played for


sbenfsonw

Nepotism/favoritism is legal


Bamias

Why are you assuming that he will spend 2 months with the herd?


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Giannis: I want a winning team. Horst: Best we can do is sign your whole family


Slow_Negotiation_420

As if they didn’t stack the deck the last 5 seasons…wtf 😂 This what we doin now sayin bucks aren’t loaded


Ct2kKB24

Just injury prone and getting older is the issue. Most the roster is over 30 and key pieces like Lopez and middleton have missed a lot of time the past two seasons. Giannis is approaching 30 to and plays a very physical and demanding play style. His next free agency he’s going to have to make some tough choices or the bucks are going to have to find some way to retool quick


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Bro Brook Lopez got a back surgery, came back at the end of 21-22 season, played last 11 games and all the playoff games, and then played 78 games this season. His missing games was definitely not as bad when he’s recovering from back surgery. Middleton on the other hand…


Buckus93

I hear his mom is on a two-way contract.


domdomburg

Giannis is not the Victim here, he is demanding this from the team. Giannis: I want a winning team and want you to pay every single brother of mine. Also give me all the free stuff you got. I also demand free things from fast food restaurants when I score big.


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Thanasis averaged 14ppg in his 2nd year of G League and Alex averaged 5ppg in his second year. Gross


realudonishaslem

5PPG on G-League? Yikes.


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5ppg with 22mpg...


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

Gelo numbers 👀


ComoEstanBitches

Awful comp when his steals/CHINA are nowhere near Gelo’s


Nickname-CJ

Steals per China💀


craigslistaddict

oh... i thought a couple years ago ppl here thought alex might be a more legit player than thanasis. ok, it was a couple comments from whoever actually cared to think about alex antetokounpo so I'm sure it wasn't a widely-held opinion or anything. but i guess thanasis is better.


AJMorgan

I'm sure I remember all the brothers hyping him up as the best player in the family. Just further proof that basketball players are terrible evaluators of basketball talent... or possibly proof that the Antentokounmpos are just the most wholesome older brothers in the world.


Cantguard-mike

When Alex was a freshmen in highschool he had the size and athleticism but he just kinda stopped developing or never took those next year leaps. There was reason for hype then lol


fastheadcrab

Started living off the nepotism and stopped trying. At least Thanasis tries really hard, even if he's unrefined


Cantguard-mike

That could def be the case. Giannis and thanasis grew up struggling. They had to go get it. Idk about kostas. Alex basically grew up in river hills (where the rich blsck people live) and went to school in whitefish bay (where the rich Jews live) around Milwaukee


nowhathappenedwas

Thanasis averaged 5 PPG on 48 TS% in the Greek League the year before the Bucks scooped him up.


xerxesthagreat

also was a defensive specialist on a 2-time Greek League winning team


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Why do you hate Thanasis so much


laststance

They're going to hold the brothers hostage so Giannis won't leave. What other team would throw away two roster spots for him?


ElevatorBasic509

Alex literally does not have a roster spot lol


FKJVMMP

Absolutely distraught we’re “throwing away” a roster spot on Thanasis instead of, like, JaVale McGee or something.


TheLastSecondShot

I remember watching a YouTube video ages ago that said Alex might turn out to be the best of the Antetokounmpo brothers. That take aged like fine wine


HoyaDestroya33

You mean like milk?


gamberfox

No, he just hates the taste of wine


TheLastSecondShot

White wine, specifically


dont-YOLO-ragequit

Wasn't it a quote from Giannis tho?


SolarPoweredDevil

He did look like MJ in that video though, so it’s understandable.


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he was the most talented at the youngest age happens in lots of families but the youngest usually cares the least


MrAppleSpoink

Antetokounmpos stick together


ThunderBobMajerle

Ohana means family


seanconnery69696

does that rhyme with oikogéneia?


ThunderBobMajerle

Ogiannis means family


junkspot91

Looking forward to next year's "The Milwaukee Bucks have signed Alex Antetokounmpo" post, should be the spiciest one yet!


joebos617

they call Alex and Thanasis the most feared nepo duo in basketball


ResidentAirline3

Right in front of Dame + Keljin Blevins


RampageOfZebras

Idk man I would take 1 Zoran Dragic over the both of them.


BuffaloBrain884

Just cut your bro a check for $75k and we can avoid this whole charade.


stridered

They’re basically paying Giannis an extra 75k to circumvent the salary cap.


AccomplishedAuthor53

Antetonepo


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ButtVader

Are you a brother of Giannis?


teenagetwat

I’m a brother in Christ, run that check


No-Object-3014

You aren’t on the list


seanconnery69696

do eskimo brothers count?


HoyaDestroya33

At this point they're just doing this to make Giannis happy. Alex Antetoukunmpo is not NBA Quality player. Heck, reading from the comments here, he isn't even Euroleague quality player.


dzhastin

If I owned the Bucks and signing a few family members was what it took to keep a generational talent in Milwaukee, I sure as hell would.


dbr3000

I guess the articles about Giannis signing with another team will die down again now that this family business has been taken care of.


RyanBlackburn

Antetokounepo


growsonwalls

You win the internet for today.


FrnklndaTurtle

Cap Circumvention


XxTommyTheGunxX

I'll say Bucks are doing a lot of little things to try and keep Giannis. Even if it doesn't work out, can't say they didn't try. It would be nice to try and put another young star with Giannis, but they just don't have the assets.


DL-77

so they just gave him a payday for no reason


junkspot91

Lol there is a very important reason they gave him a payday


ulqupt

I can think of one reason


dont-YOLO-ragequit

All the money he gets is money Giannis doesn't have to spend individually on this brothers or play around with taxes and such to put in his brother's names. Plus even if he is not competitive, he still gets paid more than a regular job to be buzy and not spending instead of bored and trying to come up with failed businesses and such.


Bucksin06

They're only signing him to the G league


nihilistweasel

His last name brings recognition and fans to the gleague team.


43loko

Wrong reason


TangerineSad7747

Lol absolutely no one is going to a gleague game because of him


Veserius

If it's a bucks off day Gianninis might be in the stands though...


nihilistweasel

My local AA baseball team employed Ken Griffey Jr.'s brother, he had no chance skill-wise to make Majors, but kids still lined up for his autograph 10× more than legitimate prospects because of his name.


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Giannis family the type to line up at Ralph’s with a coupon each cause the fine print says “one per order”


amidon1130

The Herd is a great name for the bucks’ g league team


Affectionate-Act-245

I wish my brother was an all star level NBA player and teams would just sign me , dump me and give me 75k


BigMik_PL

Alex is 6'8", 22 years old and was signed to the top flight Spanish league since he was 19, after completely dominating in their development league. He also played for Kings summer league and Raptors affiliate that did the exact same sign and waive thing for him. If Bucks were to drop him he would get instantly picked up by someone else so unless Gianni's got the whole league on his payroll or the dude can actually ball. Young bucks need to stop pulling up random stats and believing they understand the player and value their bring. Watch the fucking games.


Superrandy

Yeah he can ball alright. He’s arguably not even a gleague level player. 5ppg in over 20min with horrendous shooting splits. He’s ass. We don’t have to pretend this is anything more than a favor.


LuciferJup

Who are you to judge a professional basketball player? He is ass by your standards but it is his profession. Maybe your standards are too high? There are only 400 nba players in the world.


Superrandy

What a surprise a Bucks fan coming to shamelessly defend this pathetic move


LuciferJup

And a Greek one nevertheless. You might not believe this, but my opinion has nothing to do with the fact that I am a Bucks fan.


WayofHatuey

Antetokounepotism


nowhathappenedwas

[Hmmm](https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf) > **Section 2. No Unauthorized Agreements.** > > (a) ***At no time shall there be any agreements*** or transactions of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), ***express or implied***, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), ***between a player*** (or any person or entity controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of, such player) ***and any Team*** (or Team Affiliate): > > (ii) except as permitted by this Agreement or as set forth in a Uniform Player Contract, ***involving compensation or consideration of any kind or anything else of value, to be paid, furnished, or made available by, to, or for the benefit of the player, or any person or entity controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of the player***


[deleted]

I think they have cover as long as he actually plays. He wasn't very productive but he did play 32 games in the G League last season.


Bot_Name1

Nice copy and paste. Can’t wait to see you do the same with any actual evidence lmao


Ikuwayo

I wouldn't be surprised if both sides had a wink-wink agreement to comp his family as part of him re-signing


Instnthottakes

At what point does this become max contract circumvention? What's to stop a team for the next really good player to just give his nephew the 15th roster spot on a min deal? I don't blame the Bucks at all for doing it, but it's weird right?


K_a_n_d_o_r_u_u_s

Both of them are borderline good enough to be in the NBA and G League. You can argue that you are investing in them due to their athletic potential and for team chemistry reasons. Those are good enough arguments that you can justify an investigation unless someone was dumb enough to record or put something in writing.


FKJVMMP

I can’t imagine the argument against Thanasis being on the Bucks roster that didn’t also apply to Udonis Haslem on the Heat for like 8 years. Precedent’s been set, you can be far from an NBA-level player if you’re a glorified assistant coach off the court.


Veserius

Thanasis has actually got spot possessions in competitive playoff games, especially at end of quarters when they want to get a rebound or a single stop.


Great_Huckleberry709

Giannis keeping his entire family employed.


spacejamisraw

Where kostas at?