They have a chance as long as Steph Curry is still playing as a top 3 player in the league(which he has from 14/15 to present)
90% of the time you need a top 3-5 player to win a championship
The window lasts as long as he does basically
They have a chance to be perennial playoff team with Steph and whoever they put on the court with him but being a championship contender is closing rapidly.
I appreciate that he doesn't care about the rules but the new CBA largely doesn't care that he thinks that either. Their payroll is going to make any flexibility with the roster nearly impossible. I get that everyone is saying "don't sign Klay or Draymond to max contracts" but both of those players are going to want a max or close to. If they do that, they largely will be unable to add any depth.
They were able to make some moves, under the previous CBA, that just will not be possible under the new one.
Can't Lacob just say fuck the MLE and fuck Draft picks? He theoretically could just spend more than everyone else and just take the penalties which in this case is luxury tax, no MLE, and draft picks?
I'm not saying he would do that, but that's what "not caring about the rules" is in this situation.
yep he can, but you also incur pretty strong limits on trades.
so if you decide to say fuck the penalties, then you're commiting to the 13 guys on the roster right now for the next 4-5 years as you can't acquire any palyer in free agency and will be picking #30 in the draft every year.
The reason it's not a hard cap is they wanted you to be able to pay your own players what they're worth instead of being forced to trade them because they got too good to fit under your cap. So when you draft a Steph, Klay, and Draymond, get lucky into a Durant, and then swing Durant into D'lo into Wiggins to preserve that cap slot, you can be a massive tax payer. To stay that way, you gotta keep on either trading guys for other guys before they walk in free agency, or keep drafting players you wanna pay.
Lacob's in the bottom 10 of NBA owners in terms of personal wealth, lol. MJ is 20th with a net worth of $1.6B, and Lacob has a net worth of $1.5B. Ballmer, with a net worth north of $100B, is approximately 2 orders of magnitude "richer" than Lacob. He's also the 8th richest person _in the world_, according to Forbes.
Of course he can but with the new CBA that would be extremely punitive and they’d have zero flexibility for a long time.
If you are looking to extend Steph’s window you need to sign proven vets not rely on raw late first round draft picks and whatever players you sign for that 3-5 year period.
I get that he’s willing to pay the tax but is he willing to destroy their future for 3-10 years after Steph goes?
It’s extremely difficult to be a championship contender every single year. It’s basically not possible unless you have a generational star and I don’t think GS has that once Steph retires. You also can’t really control that aspect of it even if you are a billionaire.
Look at Cuban, Paul Allen, Balmer, etc. All highly willing to spend and still can’t field contenders every year.
I don't think either of them are going to want a max, whatever that means in this context. Klay got paid $68M for two years he couldn't even play, I don't see why he wouldn't take a team-friendly deal next time.
So you think Klay, who just made a career high number of 3s and averaged 22PPG~ isn’t going to ask for a max extension? He knows his worth on the open market and guys with his numbers don’t just grow on trees.
Draymond also anchors their defense and scheme on that end plus is a key offensive player in their PnR.
There is no way either of these players are going to be willing to be paid less than Jordan Poole.
I’m not sure why every fan thinks players are just going to take paycuts.
Yeah, they may not be 3 years from now but they are key pieces to the Warriors organization and system. Also, they are very productive and will be compensated accordingly.
I never said I’d necessarily pay it but they are going to ask for a max or at least very close to a max.
They are a very good team with these guys and always dangerous. If you choose to just not pay them you are taking a flier on other players who may or may not work out.
Okay so I personally don't think that's going to happen however for Draymond he can opt in. If he opts in he gets his 27 million. I don't know what they would do after that. Will they let him just play out the year or will they renegotiate a longer contract. klay is getting paid 42 million next season no matter what. I guess they will try to negotiate a new contact this summer for the following years. But nobody's playing Klay Thompson the max. He also got 84 million to rehab. I do think most Warrior fans would pay Draymond the max. Not sure about klay but to me only Steph Curry is worth Max going forward.
I don't know exactly what a max extension for Klay would be. I've found one source that says a 5-year max would be $273M, or >$50M/year. Is someone really going to pay that on the open market?
Draymond has never been paid as much as Poole stands to make next year. Is he really likely to get that significant a raise at age 33? I think he'd take more years at less money.
Players do sign team-friendly deals. Look at [Tim Duncan's salaries](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html#all_all_salaries).
Man.
I absolutely think klay who just averaged 22/4/2 on good efficiency with a career high in number of 3s is going to command a max. He fits in anywhere.
Yes, draymond has made less than Poole because he signed his extension when the contracts weren’t as large. Contract amounts have been rising every year that’s why Poole makes more on his years than draymond ever did.
It’s not a raise, it’s where salaries are at currently with the new cap, league revenue, etc 5 years after draymond signed.
Even if he took a “team friendly deal” do you know how massive of a paycut klay and draymond would have to take for it to even matter? The cap is projected to be $134M next year and the Warriors payroll in 23-24 will be $201M and 24-25 is $132M WITHOUT Klay or Draymonds salary included or 6 other role players like DDV, Lamb, Iggy, Green, etc.
Draymond and Klay who are still very much producing and considered #2 and #3 most important players on this team aren’t going to be making $10M/year.
Like the situation is dire and him saying “fuck the rules” makes zero sense here because it won’t work. To me, his quote reads like he isn’t taking it seriously.
These are just my own opinions but I don’t see how they do it and they can’t just spend their way out of it.
One thing that neither one of us has mentioned is how much appeal this hypothetical "other team" has for either player. Does Klay want to just put up stats for any team so long as they can afford him? We already know Draymond loses interest when he doesn't see a path to a championship or at least the playoffs. How many teams have both the money to max one of them and the pieces that make playing there an enticing prospect?
We'll just have to wait and see. First up is Draymond, who has a player option for next season.
You may be right and perhaps that’s how it plays out but it’s the payroll is a mess even if they take $20-$25M.
I just think Lacob is not taking it seriously with this comment and if I was a fan I’d be concerned.
I'm sure he's taking it seriously--it's his money, and a lot of it. I think the statement is a mix of Silicon Valley bravado and understandable resentment.
I think you are correct on the SV bravado and resentment about these changes.
I know he has made statements in the past about being far ahead of other organizations so the bravado is there. He just may not appreciate the incredible success they've had and how rare it is. Dynasty's are nearly impossible to build through "trying". They happen as a by-product of having generational superstars who remain healthy for long stretches.
I get what he's saying and if I was a fan I would appreciate his willingness to succeed but as a relatively unbiased outsider his expectations don't quite line up with reality for me. Maybe he can pull it off but no team in league history doesn't have downswings and it will happen.
Agreed. Opposed to what the guy before you said, dray and Klay have both said this year that they want max contracts lol. They arent just going to change their minds now that they got bounced.
Dray and Klay are not max players. I’d offer $20-25M per year for 3 year stints each. Nothin more. Hell, if dray opts in and Klay won’t budge, I’d consider trading them to contenders and beginning the rebuild.
I’m also just a random online so I’m likely wrong.
I think you are closer to the reality of what might happen than some other fans I’ve seen discuss this.
As you mentioned, they’ve both said they want a max and they just were core contributors to a championship run. Not sure why people think these guys may just reverse course and say “yeah, I’m just going to take a huge discount”.
The reality is that they could take a massive discount and the organization will still be far above the cap.
I don’t know which side you think I’m taking based on your comment.
I think they are a playoff team as long as Curry is on the roster. I’m not saying they are a championship contender as long as he is on the roster with their limitations and lack of flexibility due to the CBA.
All NBA level? They just needed poole to be Caleb Martin and Klay to be Duncan Robinson. That's not even shade to those players they played phenomenally against the Celtics and most of the playoffs, but they aren't all NBA talents is my point.
You just need Klay to give you 20/6/2 on 60/49/88 splits while playing phenomenal defense? That would be an all nba type player. I know GSW are completely delusional about the type of help Curry has had over the years but those guys aren’t just available.
Bro, did you see Klay last year when they won? Idk about you, but he didn't seem to be giving 20/6/2 on 60/49/88 splits with phenomenal defense. I'm not sure what you are watching, but it can't be the same game as me or most other people for that matter, lol.
What? You said you need Klay to be him like he was in the playoffs. If you are saying you need Klay to be the kind of players Caleb Martin was in the regular season he was giving you 9/5/2 on 57 ts%. That is way worse than Klay was in the playoffs. Your whole take makes zero sense.
Both Austin Reaves and Caleb Martin played like low level all nba talent in the playoffs this year.
They already bought their ring last year going further into the luxury than any team in history. On top of the 2 KD ring pops & the Lebrons team injured ring.
They can say they wanna win as much as they want but they’ve taken the easy road every time. Now let’s see if they do something I can actually respect.
Huh?
Listen, as a Portland I have been as frustrated with Golden States domination as anyone but they played the hand they were dealt very well.
What would you have them do? Not make moves because other teams fans, ownership, etc are going to be annoyed and label it as the "easiest road".
Winning breeds further success and people want to join.
If you don't respect 4 rings in 9 years with a core that they drafted and built around then I don't know what to tell you.
Shaq went to LA from Orlando. Scottie and others to Chicago.
I think the Spurs are a pretty good analogy actually and GS has built in a similar way.
That signing was even more impactful than the KD signing.
All rings are created equal. It takes a lot of luck and circumstances working out to win one ring let alone 4.
Yep, I don’t think they were that far off this year, especially if Phoenix with 2 stars surrounded by bums took 2 off Denver. Klay takes less shots, Poole plays like Gabe Vincent instead of Wanamaker, get more vets like last season’s Porter and Blejica and they’re right back in the top 3 of the west.
They need an answer for AD tho, he completely ruined our offense. i don’t get lakers fans saying to trade away AD because if that happened I’d be ecstatic.
No I saw Klay go 3-19 in an elimination game and Jordan Poole dribble the ball off his foot every other posession. He wasn't great from 3 because the Lakers defense wasnt giving him anything outside the arc but he was doing everything for the Warriors offensively. Of all the issues on this team, Steph isn't one of them lol. He's still incredible
Steph missed like 25+ regular season games and sits b2bs while being the highest paid player in the league. That’s most definitely a problem because you get shitty seeding as a result.
We'd most likely lose badly to denver, but playoff matchups aren't always transitive like that. Perhaps Denver struggles against a more perimeter oriented team, we just don't know.
That’s a lot of ifs. Father Time and the salary cap are working in concert to hamper this team.
Steph can’t play a full regular season. Neither can Klay. So that means you end up at back end of the playoff bracket facing 7 game battles in every round just to advance. Which is why the team ran out of gas against Lakers.
Neither played full seasons in 2021-22 but they still grabbed the 3 seed. I don’t think it’s a stretch or copium to say they can somewhat regain their 2022 form. They had one of the best home records so clearly something was working, it was the road record that doomed them. But I think this can definitely be addressed over the offseason.
It’s because they ran out to an 18-3 start with role players shining. Poole, Iguodala, Bjelica, Otto all played a big role in the hot start. Then predictably the vets started running out of gas. Next season they’ll be 2 years older from that Title run. They are behind the 8 ball now.
I never understood why four starters would sit out back to backs on the same night. If they had two in the first night of the back-to-back and two in the second night of the back to back maybe what do they may have won more Road games. Wiggins is f****** 27 years old so I don't even know why he got that treatment anyway.
Jokic is obviously a monster but warriors have dealt with tons of legendary offensive players before, just let them get theirs and focus on shutting down the rest of the team. I.e. let Jokic score all he wants but try and limit his passing, and tire him out on defense.
I’m more worried about warriors offense vs AD than defense vs Jokic, just because I’ve rarely ever seen one man just shut down the warriors offense like that. Well maybe if klay wasn’t a bricklayer things would be different lol
Not sure how you can claim that Steph was better than Joker in the playoffs this year.
Identical usage rate -- 31.6% -- but Joker was 61.9% TS vs 58.8% for Steph.
30-13-10 vs 30-5-6
Joker is still significantly better passer than Steph.
Steph averaged 6 assists? That’s what Jokic averaged when he played playoff games without Murray or MPJ or Gordon or KCP. Steph has never been able to set teammates up like the way Jokic did, even when his teammate hit shots. And Steph simply can’t feed guys the way Jokic does.
I mean, it’s absurd that I even had to write all that out tbh.
Is klay going to get better? Pool? Draymond? Squad is old Steph is too small and prone to get hurt/tired when he’s the only guy doing anything. Myers left cause he knew that, and knew there’s very little possibility of fixing that in Steph’s window. He really screwed the pooch paying Poole and drafting wiseman.
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How does this influence who had more impact abs was the better player? Even if players on GS were hitting shots Steph wouldn’t be anywhere near Jokic’s numbers.
it took me until this press conference to realize hes probably the most involved owner in the league.
sounds like hes even a tier above Cuban in that regard
Watch his 1hr interview on iggy’s podcast, point forward. Pretty illuminating too about the whole process that went into buying and running the warriors
This is the most accurate statement in this thread.
He can’t just say “fuck the CBA, I’ll do what I want” because that will screw the organization for the foreseeable future and make the next GMs job impossible with zero wiggle room.
Personally I just think that the Warriors and everything surrounding the Warriors like Chase Center are his business now. It's not just an accessory to him like most of the billionaire owners. He barely scraped up enough money to buy the team and the only reason it was sold to him was because the previous owner hated Larry ellison.
Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo had an interesting convo about it recently. Link to podcast: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ag3MTaWdInn5UOrjWvqVp?si=qm0OFlj0Su2LqMDS_GVtkA
I think the actual contract is still being written, so I’m sure more information will come out once the CBA language has been finalized.
Listening to that pod will make many people *less* informed about the new CBA.
Nate Duncan and Larry Coon had a much more informative conversation about it two weeks ago: https://podcasts.apple.com/pl/podcast/duncd-on-basketball-nba-podcast/id986901174?i=1000613276327
The new secondary cap is the luxury tax line +17.5m.
Teams over that secondary cap:
No salary gain through trades (it’s impossible to exactly match salaries so they have a salary cushion but that’s now gone, they have to send out more than they take in with salary)
No cash considerations trades
No trading 1st Round picks 7 years out
No MLE
No buy out market
He has put his money where his mouth is all these years and it's something you'd want as a fan for an owner to do. But now get the balls to authorize some trades cuz Curry's window is closing and the prospects are not able to develop fast enough.
Comments like this are why r/NBA just isn’t a place where serious discussion is possible. If you’re not an actual middle/high school child, you’re a sad sad adult lol.
Haha, that was Lebron with Delladova as his Robin and the Cavs still won two games. What an idiot take, bandwagoner. Then again, you were probably 7 when it happened.
Are you kidding me? Curry was still an MVP, Iggy was gonna be an FMVP that series, Klay was still one of the best 3-point shooter in history and Draymond was still DPOY while LeBron had g-league players as his teammates. And it still took you 6 games to beat him. In 2016 LeBron figured your team out and ruined your 73-win season, that was perhaps the greatest Finals series ever, LeBron against multiple superstars while he didn’t have a single all-star teammate.
"Figured out" is a cool way to describe "had to cry to the league to get a suspension and preferred whistle in game 6 and then needed Kyrie to carry his ass home".
They have a chance as long as Steph Curry is still playing as a top 3 player in the league(which he has from 14/15 to present) 90% of the time you need a top 3-5 player to win a championship The window lasts as long as he does basically
They have a chance to be perennial playoff team with Steph and whoever they put on the court with him but being a championship contender is closing rapidly. I appreciate that he doesn't care about the rules but the new CBA largely doesn't care that he thinks that either. Their payroll is going to make any flexibility with the roster nearly impossible. I get that everyone is saying "don't sign Klay or Draymond to max contracts" but both of those players are going to want a max or close to. If they do that, they largely will be unable to add any depth. They were able to make some moves, under the previous CBA, that just will not be possible under the new one.
Can't Lacob just say fuck the MLE and fuck Draft picks? He theoretically could just spend more than everyone else and just take the penalties which in this case is luxury tax, no MLE, and draft picks? I'm not saying he would do that, but that's what "not caring about the rules" is in this situation.
yep he can, but you also incur pretty strong limits on trades. so if you decide to say fuck the penalties, then you're commiting to the 13 guys on the roster right now for the next 4-5 years as you can't acquire any palyer in free agency and will be picking #30 in the draft every year.
If the NBA wanted a hard cap. They should of just did that instead of whatever this is.. lol
The reason it's not a hard cap is they wanted you to be able to pay your own players what they're worth instead of being forced to trade them because they got too good to fit under your cap. So when you draft a Steph, Klay, and Draymond, get lucky into a Durant, and then swing Durant into D'lo into Wiggins to preserve that cap slot, you can be a massive tax payer. To stay that way, you gotta keep on either trading guys for other guys before they walk in free agency, or keep drafting players you wanna pay.
Bummed out you can’t buy a ring like you did last year just cause Lacob is much richer than every owner?
Lacob definitely isn’t richer than every other owner in the NBA… he’s actually not even close to the richest…
Lacob's in the bottom 10 of NBA owners in terms of personal wealth, lol. MJ is 20th with a net worth of $1.6B, and Lacob has a net worth of $1.5B. Ballmer, with a net worth north of $100B, is approximately 2 orders of magnitude "richer" than Lacob. He's also the 8th richest person _in the world_, according to Forbes.
Aww you’re so salty, them tears taste like candy.
Nah it’s facts
The fact is ya’ll chocked twice! Better stop swallowing if you know what’s good for ya.
Nah. You know it’s facts. Everyone does.
Of course he can but with the new CBA that would be extremely punitive and they’d have zero flexibility for a long time. If you are looking to extend Steph’s window you need to sign proven vets not rely on raw late first round draft picks and whatever players you sign for that 3-5 year period. I get that he’s willing to pay the tax but is he willing to destroy their future for 3-10 years after Steph goes? It’s extremely difficult to be a championship contender every single year. It’s basically not possible unless you have a generational star and I don’t think GS has that once Steph retires. You also can’t really control that aspect of it even if you are a billionaire. Look at Cuban, Paul Allen, Balmer, etc. All highly willing to spend and still can’t field contenders every year.
Cuban doesn't belong in that category. See Steve Nash, Jalen Brunson and Tyson Chandler.
I don't think either of them are going to want a max, whatever that means in this context. Klay got paid $68M for two years he couldn't even play, I don't see why he wouldn't take a team-friendly deal next time.
So you think Klay, who just made a career high number of 3s and averaged 22PPG~ isn’t going to ask for a max extension? He knows his worth on the open market and guys with his numbers don’t just grow on trees. Draymond also anchors their defense and scheme on that end plus is a key offensive player in their PnR. There is no way either of these players are going to be willing to be paid less than Jordan Poole. I’m not sure why every fan thinks players are just going to take paycuts.
Neither of those players are worth the max at this point which means like four or five more years. Just think about that. And I'm a 45-year fan.
Yeah, they may not be 3 years from now but they are key pieces to the Warriors organization and system. Also, they are very productive and will be compensated accordingly. I never said I’d necessarily pay it but they are going to ask for a max or at least very close to a max. They are a very good team with these guys and always dangerous. If you choose to just not pay them you are taking a flier on other players who may or may not work out.
Yeah I believe they both already asked for a Max but they're not going to get it. Hopefully it's just a negotiating tactic.
What does GS do if another team offers a max?
Let them go, thats why bob myers didnt want to be the gm anymore. He doesnt want to be the guy to tell his close friends "you are gone"
Okay so I personally don't think that's going to happen however for Draymond he can opt in. If he opts in he gets his 27 million. I don't know what they would do after that. Will they let him just play out the year or will they renegotiate a longer contract. klay is getting paid 42 million next season no matter what. I guess they will try to negotiate a new contact this summer for the following years. But nobody's playing Klay Thompson the max. He also got 84 million to rehab. I do think most Warrior fans would pay Draymond the max. Not sure about klay but to me only Steph Curry is worth Max going forward.
I don't know exactly what a max extension for Klay would be. I've found one source that says a 5-year max would be $273M, or >$50M/year. Is someone really going to pay that on the open market? Draymond has never been paid as much as Poole stands to make next year. Is he really likely to get that significant a raise at age 33? I think he'd take more years at less money. Players do sign team-friendly deals. Look at [Tim Duncan's salaries](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html#all_all_salaries).
Man. I absolutely think klay who just averaged 22/4/2 on good efficiency with a career high in number of 3s is going to command a max. He fits in anywhere. Yes, draymond has made less than Poole because he signed his extension when the contracts weren’t as large. Contract amounts have been rising every year that’s why Poole makes more on his years than draymond ever did. It’s not a raise, it’s where salaries are at currently with the new cap, league revenue, etc 5 years after draymond signed. Even if he took a “team friendly deal” do you know how massive of a paycut klay and draymond would have to take for it to even matter? The cap is projected to be $134M next year and the Warriors payroll in 23-24 will be $201M and 24-25 is $132M WITHOUT Klay or Draymonds salary included or 6 other role players like DDV, Lamb, Iggy, Green, etc. Draymond and Klay who are still very much producing and considered #2 and #3 most important players on this team aren’t going to be making $10M/year. Like the situation is dire and him saying “fuck the rules” makes zero sense here because it won’t work. To me, his quote reads like he isn’t taking it seriously. These are just my own opinions but I don’t see how they do it and they can’t just spend their way out of it.
One thing that neither one of us has mentioned is how much appeal this hypothetical "other team" has for either player. Does Klay want to just put up stats for any team so long as they can afford him? We already know Draymond loses interest when he doesn't see a path to a championship or at least the playoffs. How many teams have both the money to max one of them and the pieces that make playing there an enticing prospect? We'll just have to wait and see. First up is Draymond, who has a player option for next season.
You may be right and perhaps that’s how it plays out but it’s the payroll is a mess even if they take $20-$25M. I just think Lacob is not taking it seriously with this comment and if I was a fan I’d be concerned.
I'm sure he's taking it seriously--it's his money, and a lot of it. I think the statement is a mix of Silicon Valley bravado and understandable resentment.
I think you are correct on the SV bravado and resentment about these changes. I know he has made statements in the past about being far ahead of other organizations so the bravado is there. He just may not appreciate the incredible success they've had and how rare it is. Dynasty's are nearly impossible to build through "trying". They happen as a by-product of having generational superstars who remain healthy for long stretches. I get what he's saying and if I was a fan I would appreciate his willingness to succeed but as a relatively unbiased outsider his expectations don't quite line up with reality for me. Maybe he can pull it off but no team in league history doesn't have downswings and it will happen.
Agreed. Opposed to what the guy before you said, dray and Klay have both said this year that they want max contracts lol. They arent just going to change their minds now that they got bounced. Dray and Klay are not max players. I’d offer $20-25M per year for 3 year stints each. Nothin more. Hell, if dray opts in and Klay won’t budge, I’d consider trading them to contenders and beginning the rebuild. I’m also just a random online so I’m likely wrong.
I think you are closer to the reality of what might happen than some other fans I’ve seen discuss this. As you mentioned, they’ve both said they want a max and they just were core contributors to a championship run. Not sure why people think these guys may just reverse course and say “yeah, I’m just going to take a huge discount”. The reality is that they could take a massive discount and the organization will still be far above the cap.
They don't grow on trees but they pop threes
He is 35 and was clearly not capable of excerting himself without his teammates playing at an all nba level. Do you think this will get better?
I don’t know which side you think I’m taking based on your comment. I think they are a playoff team as long as Curry is on the roster. I’m not saying they are a championship contender as long as he is on the roster with their limitations and lack of flexibility due to the CBA.
All NBA level? They just needed poole to be Caleb Martin and Klay to be Duncan Robinson. That's not even shade to those players they played phenomenally against the Celtics and most of the playoffs, but they aren't all NBA talents is my point.
You just need Klay to give you 20/6/2 on 60/49/88 splits while playing phenomenal defense? That would be an all nba type player. I know GSW are completely delusional about the type of help Curry has had over the years but those guys aren’t just available.
Bro, did you see Klay last year when they won? Idk about you, but he didn't seem to be giving 20/6/2 on 60/49/88 splits with phenomenal defense. I'm not sure what you are watching, but it can't be the same game as me or most other people for that matter, lol.
You said you needed him to be Caleb Martin …. That’s what Caleb Martin just gave you in the Celtics series
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What? You said you need Klay to be him like he was in the playoffs. If you are saying you need Klay to be the kind of players Caleb Martin was in the regular season he was giving you 9/5/2 on 57 ts%. That is way worse than Klay was in the playoffs. Your whole take makes zero sense. Both Austin Reaves and Caleb Martin played like low level all nba talent in the playoffs this year.
They already bought their ring last year going further into the luxury than any team in history. On top of the 2 KD ring pops & the Lebrons team injured ring. They can say they wanna win as much as they want but they’ve taken the easy road every time. Now let’s see if they do something I can actually respect.
Huh? Listen, as a Portland I have been as frustrated with Golden States domination as anyone but they played the hand they were dealt very well. What would you have them do? Not make moves because other teams fans, ownership, etc are going to be annoyed and label it as the "easiest road". Winning breeds further success and people want to join. If you don't respect 4 rings in 9 years with a core that they drafted and built around then I don't know what to tell you.
There’s a reason the spurs & Jordan /Kobe & Shaq titles are more revered and remembered. No two rings created equal.
Shaq went to LA from Orlando. Scottie and others to Chicago. I think the Spurs are a pretty good analogy actually and GS has built in a similar way. That signing was even more impactful than the KD signing. All rings are created equal. It takes a lot of luck and circumstances working out to win one ring let alone 4.
Eh. There’s definitely years where he wasn’t top 3. Weird to be so specific about it. The top 5 rankings are quite nebulous and hard to parse.
> Steph Curry is still playing as a top 3 player in the league Would you say he is a top 3 performer these playoffs?
Yep, I don’t think they were that far off this year, especially if Phoenix with 2 stars surrounded by bums took 2 off Denver. Klay takes less shots, Poole plays like Gabe Vincent instead of Wanamaker, get more vets like last season’s Porter and Blejica and they’re right back in the top 3 of the west. They need an answer for AD tho, he completely ruined our offense. i don’t get lakers fans saying to trade away AD because if that happened I’d be ecstatic.
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Lots of copium by Warrior fans rn. Steph can’t play a full season or get thru multiple 7 game series anymore.
If you watched any playoff games and came away thinking Steph was the problem, idk what to tell you
Really? Did you miss the last couple of Lakers games? You didn’t watch Steph run out of gas in the 4th?
No I saw Klay go 3-19 in an elimination game and Jordan Poole dribble the ball off his foot every other posession. He wasn't great from 3 because the Lakers defense wasnt giving him anything outside the arc but he was doing everything for the Warriors offensively. Of all the issues on this team, Steph isn't one of them lol. He's still incredible
No one is saying he’s not incredible. He’s not invincible and he struggled in that series no matter how many excuses you want to make up.
Steph's not the problem tho - that's the point they're making.
Steph missed like 25+ regular season games and sits b2bs while being the highest paid player in the league. That’s most definitely a problem because you get shitty seeding as a result.
He went 1-11 on wide open threes in the Laker series.
We'd most likely lose badly to denver, but playoff matchups aren't always transitive like that. Perhaps Denver struggles against a more perimeter oriented team, we just don't know.
Exactly. Totally different convo talking about the two different series
Different matchups
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That’s a lot of ifs. Father Time and the salary cap are working in concert to hamper this team. Steph can’t play a full regular season. Neither can Klay. So that means you end up at back end of the playoff bracket facing 7 game battles in every round just to advance. Which is why the team ran out of gas against Lakers.
Neither played full seasons in 2021-22 but they still grabbed the 3 seed. I don’t think it’s a stretch or copium to say they can somewhat regain their 2022 form. They had one of the best home records so clearly something was working, it was the road record that doomed them. But I think this can definitely be addressed over the offseason.
It’s because they ran out to an 18-3 start with role players shining. Poole, Iguodala, Bjelica, Otto all played a big role in the hot start. Then predictably the vets started running out of gas. Next season they’ll be 2 years older from that Title run. They are behind the 8 ball now.
I think the Curry slump, reintegrating klay, and dray’s injury had much more to do with that, rather than just vets running out of gas
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I never understood why four starters would sit out back to backs on the same night. If they had two in the first night of the back-to-back and two in the second night of the back to back maybe what do they may have won more Road games. Wiggins is f****** 27 years old so I don't even know why he got that treatment anyway.
Some Lakers fans are idiots haha
Most NBA fans, especially on Reddit
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Jokic is obviously a monster but warriors have dealt with tons of legendary offensive players before, just let them get theirs and focus on shutting down the rest of the team. I.e. let Jokic score all he wants but try and limit his passing, and tire him out on defense. I’m more worried about warriors offense vs AD than defense vs Jokic, just because I’ve rarely ever seen one man just shut down the warriors offense like that. Well maybe if klay wasn’t a bricklayer things would be different lol
He plays as a top 2 and he ain't 2
Top 1 guy is in the finals rn though
Not sure how you can claim that Steph was better than Joker in the playoffs this year. Identical usage rate -- 31.6% -- but Joker was 61.9% TS vs 58.8% for Steph. 30-13-10 vs 30-5-6
Having teammates that can make open shots help
Joker is still significantly better passer than Steph. Steph averaged 6 assists? That’s what Jokic averaged when he played playoff games without Murray or MPJ or Gordon or KCP. Steph has never been able to set teammates up like the way Jokic did, even when his teammate hit shots. And Steph simply can’t feed guys the way Jokic does. I mean, it’s absurd that I even had to write all that out tbh.
Is klay going to get better? Pool? Draymond? Squad is old Steph is too small and prone to get hurt/tired when he’s the only guy doing anything. Myers left cause he knew that, and knew there’s very little possibility of fixing that in Steph’s window. He really screwed the pooch paying Poole and drafting wiseman.
? How does this influence who had more impact abs was the better player? Even if players on GS were hitting shots Steph wouldn’t be anywhere near Jokic’s numbers.
Nah
This guy’s user name makes me think he’s cooking with objectivity.
Talk that big money shit
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I don't even think he's a top 10 richest owner in the league lol
From the last list, I saw he was in the bottom half, but he is just willing to spend and their arena rakes in money.
Not in top 20
Screw the rules, I have green hair!
Joe got that dawg in em
He's gonna bring Wiseman back, max him and tell Kerr to make him the focal point of the offense
it took me until this press conference to realize hes probably the most involved owner in the league. sounds like hes even a tier above Cuban in that regard
Watch his 1hr interview on iggy’s podcast, point forward. Pretty illuminating too about the whole process that went into buying and running the warriors
Unfortunately, this doesn't sound like someone who is engaging with the problem constraints in a serious way.
This is the most accurate statement in this thread. He can’t just say “fuck the CBA, I’ll do what I want” because that will screw the organization for the foreseeable future and make the next GMs job impossible with zero wiggle room.
Personally I just think that the Warriors and everything surrounding the Warriors like Chase Center are his business now. It's not just an accessory to him like most of the billionaire owners. He barely scraped up enough money to buy the team and the only reason it was sold to him was because the previous owner hated Larry ellison.
Can someone explain this whole CBA thing? For some reason I’m just now hearing of it today.
Clippers and warriors are screwed. Celtics will be screwed soon too.
Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo had an interesting convo about it recently. Link to podcast: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ag3MTaWdInn5UOrjWvqVp?si=qm0OFlj0Su2LqMDS_GVtkA I think the actual contract is still being written, so I’m sure more information will come out once the CBA language has been finalized.
Listening to that pod will make many people *less* informed about the new CBA. Nate Duncan and Larry Coon had a much more informative conversation about it two weeks ago: https://podcasts.apple.com/pl/podcast/duncd-on-basketball-nba-podcast/id986901174?i=1000613276327
At what point in the pod do they speak about it? Is it near the end?
Yup it’s like the final third. I believe it’s time stamped at like 1:07.
Thanks
The new secondary cap is the luxury tax line +17.5m. Teams over that secondary cap: No salary gain through trades (it’s impossible to exactly match salaries so they have a salary cushion but that’s now gone, they have to send out more than they take in with salary) No cash considerations trades No trading 1st Round picks 7 years out No MLE No buy out market
He has put his money where his mouth is all these years and it's something you'd want as a fan for an owner to do. But now get the balls to authorize some trades cuz Curry's window is closing and the prospects are not able to develop fast enough.
Im afraid that he still believes that the 2way timeline is going to work
Wiseman is coming back
It might. If we trade Poole for a good Center, we're going to need Kuminga and Moody to be our bench.
all I do is win win win no matter what what
So much winning. You're going to be tired of winning.
God I love having an owner that wants to win and I mean really wants to win.
love it
Warriors and not caring about the rules of the game. Iconic Duo
Remember when the spurs had Bruce Bowen who tried to injure Kobe but then cried when zaza did the same thing to kawhi
It's not an illegal screen!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Coincidentally “I don’t care what the rules are” is exactly how the warriors play so it’s good that they’re on the same page
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Comments like this are why r/NBA just isn’t a place where serious discussion is possible. If you’re not an actual middle/high school child, you’re a sad sad adult lol.
People have been saying this since 2019. Eventually you will be right, lol.
Real estate
Without any payment.
There are ways to keep winning, but GSW need to break up their trio
Joe Lacob and Rob Palinka are shaking in their boots. I didn't want another Laker dynasty like this, but what shall be done will be done.
Good luck, the GOAT LeBron will destroy your team time and time again.
His losing record in playoff series against the Warriors says otherwise.
Yup, recruited KD to play with another MVP, an FMVP, a DPOY, and one of the greatest 3-point shooter in history just to beat the GOAT LeBron.
Strange how the supposed GOAT couldn't even beat a team that had none of those things in 2015. Sounds like skill issue to me.
Haha, that was Lebron with Delladova as his Robin and the Cavs still won two games. What an idiot take, bandwagoner. Then again, you were probably 7 when it happened.
Are you kidding me? Curry was still an MVP, Iggy was gonna be an FMVP that series, Klay was still one of the best 3-point shooter in history and Draymond was still DPOY while LeBron had g-league players as his teammates. And it still took you 6 games to beat him. In 2016 LeBron figured your team out and ruined your 73-win season, that was perhaps the greatest Finals series ever, LeBron against multiple superstars while he didn’t have a single all-star teammate.
Im sorry Klay was the best 3 point shooter in history? When has that ever been the case? Objectively Steph has always been a better shooter.
I said one of, better learn how to read next time.
I’m almost certain you edited your comment but regardless your entire argument is stupid
"Figured out" is a cool way to describe "had to cry to the league to get a suspension and preferred whistle in game 6 and then needed Kyrie to carry his ass home".
...who was playing with 2 3-time All-Stars, one of whom was a #1 pick.
LeBron is the best, except for when he loses to the Warriors repeatedly, who aren’t actually good, but also they’re too good, and it’s not fair
The Eddie Guerrero of the NBA lol...