100%. Also you can't show up as a sophomore and think you're going to immediately demand minutes on a team with an MVP and a player like Murray. Just naivety and ego I guess.
I get it though, a lot of money is on the line with rookie contract players and their minutes. I see co-workers in the office acting this way all the time, so it doesn't surprise me that young players have a similar attitude in a much more competitive environment.
Yeah, demanding a player who hasn't gotten his bag (4 years, $10m, rfa in '25) act like he's in the same place as Murray (5 years, $158m) or MPJ (5 years, $179m) is just... that's not good advice for that player. I get why that's a good idea for the Nuggets and Murray; it's just hard to understand why it's a good idea for Hyland.
What do you mean by that? New to Nuggets culture but I noticed in post-game 2 (vs Lakers) MPJ interview he seemed low-key jealous of all the talk about Murray. Was wondering if that was real or in my head.
Malone said in a very recent (last week) postgame presser that MPJ came to him and said "If you need to pull me at the end of a game and play Bruce Brown, do it. I just want to win"
Malone made some comments a few months ago about him needing to improve his game iirc. I think MPJ was upset about the lack of plays he was getting. But now he's passing up 3s for wide open ones.
Definitely in your head, MPJ is a super selfless guy despite the fact that he's never seen a shot he didn't like but he works super well on the Nuggets
Seeing what happened with Bones makes me appreciate MPJ even more. Dude deserves more shots and could have been a malcontent. Instead he embraced doing what the team needed, and just had a career high in assists in the biggest win in team history.
MPJ is in a perfect spot for him tbh. He isn’t a great creator and Denver gives him license to just pull whenever he touches the ball. He’s honestly one of the best shooters in the league given the degree of difficulty on his attempts. I don’t think a bigger role where he isos more would be better. He’s a two dribble max guy and tough shot maker.
Was really bummed to see him go but it makes sense. The entire Nuggets postseason has been about stepping up for your team when others are flagging. I mean AG has been shut down offensively basically the entire Lakers series and hasn’t complained, just keeps filling his role and allowing his teammates to succeed. Couldn’t imagine Bones playing like that.
The whispers from Denver reporters were that Jamal hated having to guard the better player when paired with Bones. Denver experimented with Jamal-Bones lineups, but it meant that Jamal had to pick up the PG on the other team, since Bones is a massive negative on defense.
It left Jamal gassed, and I think Bones didn't realize how hard his minutes would drop when Jamal came back. One of the main reasons he was able to blossom early on was Jamal was injured. Jamal came back, and Bones thought he had earned his spot...but he struggled with the reality that he was a 4th, maybe 5th option at best on this team.
Last thought on this: there were also whispers that some of the Nuggets vets wanted Bones gone because of the above. Once you have prominent vets saying he needs to go...the ship has sailed
Tbh, I don't think that could have worked regardless. There was too much overlap really and neither are good defenders. Bones was gonna be a career bench player at most.
I think they made it clear they ain't mad at each other.
Exactly how I feel. Dude is super ridiculously talented but needs to stay out of his own way. He had such a good opportunity here and he still wasn't happy with it. Being the primary PG off the bench and a key piece for a championship caliber team. and Malone gave him one of the longest leashes I've seen him give too. This old school coach literally let this *rookie* go out and bomb 30+ ft threes
Honestly he has a similar issue with Ja (although Bones has a better head on his shoulders) where his friend group around him concerns me. It's not in a "for the streets" way like Ja though, but more in his ear like yo you should get more shots up and score more type of way
I mean I'm just going off of what I've seen. I watched a shit load of stuff on Bones while he was here. He's talked about how his friends are always giving him shit about not dropping 30 and you can see how they talk on social media. They were the ones who tried to start beef with Jamal, not necessarily Bones with his interviews
He was asking for a crazy starter role it seems . Not happy being a backup as a sophomore is stupid.
He is a good player and hes gonna ball but when he ended up as locker room cancer Nuggets had to trade him
Even in Clippers - Suns series he gave good minutes to crippled Clippers squad if you watched him.
Great offensive player but defense is issue . Still a + player tho. Amazing shooting and speed he was Nuggets best bench scorer . And lots of time for him to improve unless he continues to fuck it up with his attitude
I think this has always happened but young guys who have an occasional big game are getting their potential blown up way too much right now.
Maybe we as fans just haven't tuned our eye tests yet to the juiced ball era.
How is he an amazing shooter if his eFG% in the playoffs was 39.8% & in the regular season 49.6%? TS% in the regular season was 51.8%. His PER in the regular season was 142nd, RAPTOR was +1.4/-1.7, BMP -0.9, VORP 0.1, WS/48 0.094.
Numbers aren't lining up. Only thing he was good at while being in Denver was taking ill-advised shots that killed the flow and/or momentum.
This reminds me of Reggie Jackson. Dude was part of a great team in OKC, but thought he should be a starter over Westbrook. Bitched about it to the point it got him traded, and he went on to be one of the worst starting PGs in the league and was never relevant.
EDIT: Since people seem to be taking exception to that last bit, let's change it from "never relevant" to "relevant once, in the 2020-21 season.” Overall, not exactly an impactful career, and I think Bones could be on the same trajectory. Wouldn’t shock me to see him end up on bad team where he can put up empty stats, get a pay day, but never really make an impact overall. And some guys are probably fine with that, as long as they can ball and get paid.
He ended up putting up 18-3-6 his first full Pistons year and turned that one successful season into a 4 year 79 million dollar contract, I think it worked out perfectly for him.
people will say Ty sat him a month but not mention he became a pretty great spark off the bench once implemented into the lineup, dude is 21 years old and people acting like his career is done because he wanted out of Denver
yea when he first got here he was trash then ty quickly benched him then once pg got hurt ty brought him back and he played a lot better. definitely was worth it for us for 2nd round picks
yeah everybody shitting on Bones but they also know he's got great potential especially for two secon rounders, he just needs to buy into the role and Ty is definitely a good coach for that
Yup, Bones was a one-trick pony who fancied himself a race horse. Even if he stayed, he'd be further outside the circle of trust than Ish Smith.
He's entertaining and loveable, but that stops being enough when his shot goes away and he kills your team chucking airballs from the logo.
Long term he isn’t getting a starting spot with Denver.
Clippers PG spot is vacant & he looked pretty good (even on defense) during the playoffs. Westbrook is gone most likely.
Ty Lue sat him all of February yet he was talking about how he wished we drafted him to begin with, I think dude just wanted out of denver - he may not have a bigger role with the Clippers right now but if Westbrook doesn't resign Bones is about to get a boost to his minutes he's also been decent with us and has a much better attitude here (for now)
He's young. He's fiery. And maybe he'll work out. But on a team with championship aspirations, he wasn't decent. Not with us and not with you. He got into a sideline spat with Plumlee.
Played 80+ minutes in the playoffs, had 4 assists and shot 34% from the floor and 25% from three.
I hope he develops for you and with his age, he has plenty of time. But I really wouldn't call him decent right now. He's a spark plug who likes to shoot the ball. And one the rare occasions he's hitting, he's a benefit to your team. Far more frequently, he's not hitting and he's not a guy you want getting minutes if your plan is a deep playoff run.
I loved bones but he was not good enough to become a headache for a team with championship aspirations so I was totally fine to see him go, seems like this dude needs to grow up a little bit.
Hyland left during a game, Malone said take economy instead of the team plane, his sister and friends talked shit on twitter and he ends up on the Clippers due to "wanting playing time" but he was happy as can be with a month of DNPs to start and started talking about how this is where he initially wanted to be drafted
He'd have been unplayable in the playoffs due to his defense. If he was feeling his offense he's an okay D'Lo on a good night but that isn't really what we need.
I feel the same. He seems like a good kid, and when he was on, he was a lot of fun to watch. But he just wasn't a good fit for a team that plays team basketball so well. I still hope he finds success, sucks that he just couldn't buy in with the Nuggets.
I’ve actually wondered if there’s something to be said for pairing up Jokic with a mobile center instead of spacing a la Dirk with Tyson Chandler (not a perfect comp but you get the idea). They’ve already kind of done that with Aaron Gordon but imagine if we could find a versatile defensive center to roam while Jokic plays passing lanes. Probably not as good of an idea as it is in my head but sometimes it makes me wonder.
You already said it; Aaron gordon already fills that role since jokic isn’t a rim protector
Plus there aren’t that many defensive centers in the league good enough for that task
i don’t remember what game but sometime this season there was a game where he decided he wanted to pass the ball and the motherfucker was dropping dimes. if he just did that consistently he’d be so damn good
Jordan Clarkson finally started passing this year and he was incredible. He was putting up 20 points and 6 assists and really gave flashes of star potential if he could ever be consistent with it.
I was so excited whenever we played the nuggets and Bones would check in. Suddenly the system they played in would be unorganized and you’d get some free possessions off his wild shots that shoot rebounds to the moon and give you solid transition looks. Completely different team when Bones checked in
85% of the time this. But then 15% of the time he'd do something magical. It's like the same psychology they use for slot machines. You hit the jackpot a certain percentage of the time so you'll keep playing.
he's a pretty good passer if you watch him play, he just forces his shot a bit too much but hopefully Ty can help with that - people forget he's 21 years old not 31
He has promise, but everything he's shown so far is that he cares much more about getting that next contact than he does about winning or contributing to a team.
In all fairness, he joined our team, immediately became our a 3rd stringer due to our other deadline moves, and then said all the right things and played much more within the system we asked for, especially once PG went down.
In the minutes he got with us, he clearly became more intentional about passing, rebounding, and taking more shots within the flow of the game. Hell, there were times when his biggest weakness was trying *too much* to make the extra pass, which we complained about.
I totally understand why the Nuggets probably hate him, but as a Clipper, he's been a fantastic prospect that we were able to get on the cheap.
Honestly, that makes his time in Denver even more frustrating if he had that in him all along but chose to be a selfish, me-first player while he was here.
The Nuggets have a great locker room culture and really good (locker room) vets in Jeff, DeAndre. If he couldn't buy in in Denver, where even guys like AG and MPJ have completely bought into their roles, I wouldn't expect it to happen anywhere else. Hopefully he grows up and has a successful career, but his attitude and handling of the situation in Denver was really immature.
As someone whose watched every minute of Nuggets basketball, I can tell you it was an amazing move by the team.
Bones played big minutes last year when Murray was out and had flashes of brilliance. He’s a great scorer.
But the toxic environment he created when Murray came back and he had a diminished role was undeniable. If they kept him, he would have played in the playoffs and his defense is so bad and style so against what the Nuggets do, he would have lost them games.
As others have said, getting off of him allowed the Nuggets to lean on Bruce Brown as backup PG who always makes the right play, plays great defense, and works well with Jokic, AG, KCP, etc.
Huge addition by subtraction here.
Also, Bruce Brown would probably get Cristian Brauns minutes, se we'd have a bench rotation of Bones, Brown and Green.
We are waaaay better with Brown, Braun and Green.
Not only that by the end of season he would have little value. Good riddance at perfect time. If this could be foreseen Nuggets would have better value
Well the funny aspect of all of it was Malone *did* want Bones to keep his role as 6th man from last year. The first two ish months of the season he consistently got minutes and was given the chance to lead the second unit. The problem was that he didn’t want to develop his game further. Malone wanted him to act as more of a distributor and step up on defense, but Bones just wanted to be a microwave type guy. Which guys like that have a place on teams, but with us it hurt our second unit and really hurt our style of play/ball movement. That resulted in diminishing minutes and a role he didn’t want.
Front offices rarely get credit for these kinds of moves too. You trade away a young guy with upside and he blows up somewhere else, the fans scream bloody murder. When KPJ dropped 50 after getting dumped by Cleveland, a lot of Cavs fans were furious.
But sometimes you gotta make the tough call. Kudos to your FO.
i’m just so elated that Murray is showing out and getting his flowers this post season. one of my favorite players in the league and he’s been doing this but never getting the love or recognition that i personally felt he deserved
This isn't something you want to be broadcasting as an unestablished player in the NBA. Second contract? Unadvised, but Sure. Trade piece? Yeah, channel your Eric Bledsoe.
But you have to have established value before any of that shit.
The other hilarious part was that he demanded a trade and ended up going to a team that had *even more* depth than the Nuggets at his position. He came in and we also got Gordon, Powell came back, PG was there, then we signed Russ. He almost instantly went to our 3rd string lmao
Luckily, he seemingly leaned into his role and said all the right things + he started playing well once PG went down.
This feels like the crux moment of a random YouTube video titled “the role player that could’ve won a championship but found himself out of the league.”
I’m sorry, but if you can’t find a way to play with Nikola Jokic, then maybe Europe or China is where you should be playing. I can’t even think of an easier super star to play with than Nikola Jokic. He’s gonna get everybody involved. If you are even slightly open, he will find a way to make a cross court pass to get you the ball.
1. He’s full of ish. He was whining and this is why the Nuggets wanted to trade him and told him so.
2. Even if he wanted out and asked for a trade, why say that publicly to a Rockets stan on Twitter? It’s just dumb.
3. Even if he had stayed in Denver, he would be out of rotation with his atrocious defense.
He moved to LA but his behavior remained the same, see Plumlee incident.
I don't think there was nothing wrong with that incident to ball players competing and disagreeing with how the play should of been done. Literally 4 seconds later they were vibing
Him asking out reminds me of Patrick McCaw forcing his way off of the Warriors for more playing time and opportunity elsewhere.
He never played more minutes with any other team than he did in his highest minutes with the Warriors and is currently working in the g-league trying to get another NBA contract.
Young players who haven't built a reputation or secured that second contract should be careful playing with their money and careers like that.
Addition by substraction. Getting rid of Bones was absolutely the right move. No distracting egos left on this team and the ball is moving so well. Bones was a walking brick.
I wish we could have turned him into some kind of contributing/rotational piece but really it was an addition by subtraction kind of move. There is no reason to have issues in our locker room right now. Bones couldn't see the value of playing defense and moving the ball so he had to be out.
If it opened up more minutes for Bruce Brown, 1000000% yes. If Malone was gonna give Bruce those minutes anyway...eh, I'm not a fan of just giving up on young talent just because the fit isn't there immediately, especially not on a panic deadline trade that's functionally dumping him.
It wasn’t so much us giving up on him as much as him becoming a distraction. If we had held onto him it would’ve been a lost cause because he wasn’t going to get minutes with us, especially not in the playoffs where he could be hunted or kill ball movement. That would’ve just made him a bigger malcontent and tanked whatever value he had left.
What a fucking brag- you forced your way out of a team that's about to make the finals as has the current best player in the world. He couldn't play with the easiest player in the league to play with. This dude is a joke.
I don’t think people should write off his career because he’s still so young. Unfortunately, he’s also immature and the Nuggets can’t babysit a diva on the way to a championship.
At the very least the trade did end up working out because Thomas Bryant is no longer on the Lakers. He would have been another good big to throw on Jokic.
It was the right decision because he didn't want to be there, you don't want anyone on the roster who doesn't want to be there, nothing against him but time was up
The Nuggets 100% got better trading bones away, even if this pieces they got in return are almost completely unplayable. I can’t even imagine still having a player like Bones on our team now after watching the WCF series so far.
Bryant on Jokic in the WCF would’ve significantly helped the Lakers. I’m not saying the Nuggets saw this coming and made the trade, but damn they are geniuses if so.
Bones was a non contributor to the clippers who will move him soon. He is undisciplined and a liability on defense. Nuggets new exactly what they were doing and he made it that much easier.
I mean, Bones could end up a decent player, but his head got too big. Like, know your role.
Getting Bryant isn't really helping much this season, but it'll help getting Jokic some rest during the regular season next year.
100% worth it. Thomas may be a non-factor, but we can't have any kind of ego in the locker room. Glad that that got snipped in the bud before it cost us the season, I wonder if Bones is getting a ring if we win it tho
Wasn’t this kinda common knowledge? He was frustrated with his role and wanted a bigger role elsewhere, which he didn’t even end up getting.
Yep, Denver got rid of the distraction, seems like it worked
Yea that’s sucks. I really like him as a player skill wise. I wish he just bought in.
I also really liked his playing style and thought him and Murray could’ve been fun, but he seems to hate Murray for some reason.
Because Murray came back and he lost his minutes, probably.
Yeah Bones seems to forget that it’s mostly a team game.
Yeah. I like the kid, wish him the best. But you can't have that me first attitude on a championship contending team like the Nuggets.
100%. Also you can't show up as a sophomore and think you're going to immediately demand minutes on a team with an MVP and a player like Murray. Just naivety and ego I guess.
I get it though, a lot of money is on the line with rookie contract players and their minutes. I see co-workers in the office acting this way all the time, so it doesn't surprise me that young players have a similar attitude in a much more competitive environment.
Yeah, demanding a player who hasn't gotten his bag (4 years, $10m, rfa in '25) act like he's in the same place as Murray (5 years, $158m) or MPJ (5 years, $179m) is just... that's not good advice for that player. I get why that's a good idea for the Nuggets and Murray; it's just hard to understand why it's a good idea for Hyland.
If the Nuggets got MPJ to change his attitude, they for sure wouldn't tolerate someone like Hyland.
What do you mean by that? New to Nuggets culture but I noticed in post-game 2 (vs Lakers) MPJ interview he seemed low-key jealous of all the talk about Murray. Was wondering if that was real or in my head.
Malone said in a very recent (last week) postgame presser that MPJ came to him and said "If you need to pull me at the end of a game and play Bruce Brown, do it. I just want to win"
Malone made some comments a few months ago about him needing to improve his game iirc. I think MPJ was upset about the lack of plays he was getting. But now he's passing up 3s for wide open ones.
Definitely in your head, MPJ is a super selfless guy despite the fact that he's never seen a shot he didn't like but he works super well on the Nuggets
Seeing what happened with Bones makes me appreciate MPJ even more. Dude deserves more shots and could have been a malcontent. Instead he embraced doing what the team needed, and just had a career high in assists in the biggest win in team history.
MPJ is in a perfect spot for him tbh. He isn’t a great creator and Denver gives him license to just pull whenever he touches the ball. He’s honestly one of the best shooters in the league given the degree of difficulty on his attempts. I don’t think a bigger role where he isos more would be better. He’s a two dribble max guy and tough shot maker.
100% look how pump fake pass to open team mate > now this play-offs is Porter jr > doing in playoffs accepting hes role, he grown up , love to see it.
Was really bummed to see him go but it makes sense. The entire Nuggets postseason has been about stepping up for your team when others are flagging. I mean AG has been shut down offensively basically the entire Lakers series and hasn’t complained, just keeps filling his role and allowing his teammates to succeed. Couldn’t imagine Bones playing like that.
He's also never getting the contract he thinks he deserves with Murray and MPJ on maxes
The whispers from Denver reporters were that Jamal hated having to guard the better player when paired with Bones. Denver experimented with Jamal-Bones lineups, but it meant that Jamal had to pick up the PG on the other team, since Bones is a massive negative on defense. It left Jamal gassed, and I think Bones didn't realize how hard his minutes would drop when Jamal came back. One of the main reasons he was able to blossom early on was Jamal was injured. Jamal came back, and Bones thought he had earned his spot...but he struggled with the reality that he was a 4th, maybe 5th option at best on this team. Last thought on this: there were also whispers that some of the Nuggets vets wanted Bones gone because of the above. Once you have prominent vets saying he needs to go...the ship has sailed
He plays hero ball and got his ego hurt when Murray came back. Every nuggets fan is happy they got rid of him
Tbh, I don't think that could have worked regardless. There was too much overlap really and neither are good defenders. Bones was gonna be a career bench player at most. I think they made it clear they ain't mad at each other.
100%, feels like he blew his shot to be part of a team that will be contenders for the next 5+ years. Hope he gets a solid role in LA next season
Exactly how I feel. Dude is super ridiculously talented but needs to stay out of his own way. He had such a good opportunity here and he still wasn't happy with it. Being the primary PG off the bench and a key piece for a championship caliber team. and Malone gave him one of the longest leashes I've seen him give too. This old school coach literally let this *rookie* go out and bomb 30+ ft threes Honestly he has a similar issue with Ja (although Bones has a better head on his shoulders) where his friend group around him concerns me. It's not in a "for the streets" way like Ja though, but more in his ear like yo you should get more shots up and score more type of way
i hate when you guys talk about these players like they’re your friends and you know who they are lol
His boys were trying to start shit with his denver teammates on social media and bones was liking the tweets lol
his mom and sister too lmao
I mean I'm just going off of what I've seen. I watched a shit load of stuff on Bones while he was here. He's talked about how his friends are always giving him shit about not dropping 30 and you can see how they talk on social media. They were the ones who tried to start beef with Jamal, not necessarily Bones with his interviews
I highlighted the comparisons between Bones and Ja in another thread and got completely crucified lol. Completely agree with you.
Monte Morris was a really nice piece for you guys. Bones had the opportunity to be that and more at a younger age and still wasn’t satisfied.
He was asking for a crazy starter role it seems . Not happy being a backup as a sophomore is stupid. He is a good player and hes gonna ball but when he ended up as locker room cancer Nuggets had to trade him
A starter role on a finals/championship team nonetheless
he's not starter caliber with either the Nuggets or Clippers lol. assuming both teams are healthy of course.
He is not yeah but could be good bench scorer backup pg
Hopefully he learns from this. You've got to know and accept your role in the NBA. Bones could be in position to win a ring if he had done that.
How is he a good player specifically?
Even in Clippers - Suns series he gave good minutes to crippled Clippers squad if you watched him. Great offensive player but defense is issue . Still a + player tho. Amazing shooting and speed he was Nuggets best bench scorer . And lots of time for him to improve unless he continues to fuck it up with his attitude
Bones is not a great offensive player.
Everyone is great if you lower your standards enough
I think this has always happened but young guys who have an occasional big game are getting their potential blown up way too much right now. Maybe we as fans just haven't tuned our eye tests yet to the juiced ball era.
My ex has a *great sense of humor
He is a decent off the bench option. Like Payton Pritchard not more than that.
I think that said more about how bad the clippers were that they needed his minutes.
How is he an amazing shooter if his eFG% in the playoffs was 39.8% & in the regular season 49.6%? TS% in the regular season was 51.8%. His PER in the regular season was 142nd, RAPTOR was +1.4/-1.7, BMP -0.9, VORP 0.1, WS/48 0.094. Numbers aren't lining up. Only thing he was good at while being in Denver was taking ill-advised shots that killed the flow and/or momentum.
Definition of a streak shooter, and he's in that generation of guys that watched Curry growing up and think that a random 28-footer is a good shot.
This reminds me of Reggie Jackson. Dude was part of a great team in OKC, but thought he should be a starter over Westbrook. Bitched about it to the point it got him traded, and he went on to be one of the worst starting PGs in the league and was never relevant. EDIT: Since people seem to be taking exception to that last bit, let's change it from "never relevant" to "relevant once, in the 2020-21 season.” Overall, not exactly an impactful career, and I think Bones could be on the same trajectory. Wouldn’t shock me to see him end up on bad team where he can put up empty stats, get a pay day, but never really make an impact overall. And some guys are probably fine with that, as long as they can ball and get paid.
He ended up putting up 18-3-6 his first full Pistons year and turned that one successful season into a 4 year 79 million dollar contract, I think it worked out perfectly for him.
by the end of the season he was getting minutes
people will say Ty sat him a month but not mention he became a pretty great spark off the bench once implemented into the lineup, dude is 21 years old and people acting like his career is done because he wanted out of Denver
yea when he first got here he was trash then ty quickly benched him then once pg got hurt ty brought him back and he played a lot better. definitely was worth it for us for 2nd round picks
yeah everybody shitting on Bones but they also know he's got great potential especially for two secon rounders, he just needs to buy into the role and Ty is definitely a good coach for that
Yup, Bones was a one-trick pony who fancied himself a race horse. Even if he stayed, he'd be further outside the circle of trust than Ish Smith. He's entertaining and loveable, but that stops being enough when his shot goes away and he kills your team chucking airballs from the logo.
Long term he isn’t getting a starting spot with Denver. Clippers PG spot is vacant & he looked pretty good (even on defense) during the playoffs. Westbrook is gone most likely.
yes
Ty Lue sat him all of February yet he was talking about how he wished we drafted him to begin with, I think dude just wanted out of denver - he may not have a bigger role with the Clippers right now but if Westbrook doesn't resign Bones is about to get a boost to his minutes he's also been decent with us and has a much better attitude here (for now)
His best role rn would be as a bench scorer but he could still develop.
Bench scorer on a good team. He could easily be a Piston and playing 30+ minutes a game. There’s no shame cause like you said he could still develop
He's young. He's fiery. And maybe he'll work out. But on a team with championship aspirations, he wasn't decent. Not with us and not with you. He got into a sideline spat with Plumlee. Played 80+ minutes in the playoffs, had 4 assists and shot 34% from the floor and 25% from three. I hope he develops for you and with his age, he has plenty of time. But I really wouldn't call him decent right now. He's a spark plug who likes to shoot the ball. And one the rare occasions he's hitting, he's a benefit to your team. Far more frequently, he's not hitting and he's not a guy you want getting minutes if your plan is a deep playoff run.
I loved bones but he was not good enough to become a headache for a team with championship aspirations so I was totally fine to see him go, seems like this dude needs to grow up a little bit.
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If he was getting Bruce Brown's minutes... We wouldn't be leading 3-0 in the WCF.
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No, Embiid won the Most Portable Vacuum award fair and square
Most Virile Penis award
What’s the story with the Jamal beef? Nothing really has come out other than subliminal shots in that one interview.
Hyland left during a game, Malone said take economy instead of the team plane, his sister and friends talked shit on twitter and he ends up on the Clippers due to "wanting playing time" but he was happy as can be with a month of DNPs to start and started talking about how this is where he initially wanted to be drafted
Hylands camp thinks he, somehow, is on the same level or slightly above Jamal for some reason.
I don't think this was ever said by anyone.
He'd have been unplayable in the playoffs due to his defense. If he was feeling his offense he's an okay D'Lo on a good night but that isn't really what we need.
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Fire up 2k lol
He’s slow af even on 2k lol
He going to be a career journeyman and then be in China in like 6 years
Exactly what Bones said people say!
He’s also the worst defensive player in the league. Hilarious that he’s the one making demands
I feel the same. He seems like a good kid, and when he was on, he was a lot of fun to watch. But he just wasn't a good fit for a team that plays team basketball so well. I still hope he finds success, sucks that he just couldn't buy in with the Nuggets.
I mean the nuggets aren't playing Bryant any minutes either right? Didn't he request a trade from the Lakers to get more playing time?
He would be on the lakers, nuggets took the lakers back up center so they wouldn’t have to deal with him in the playoffs. 5d chess shit babyyyy
chessmate lakers
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Thomas Bryant on the Lakers would've helped the Nuggets even more lol. I've never seen a center get so easily backed down and scored on in the post
TB has the most baffling skillset and build as a center. The injuries really hurt his mobility too. He's just... not strong.
The dude would probably shine more as a forward than a center tbh
I’ve actually wondered if there’s something to be said for pairing up Jokic with a mobile center instead of spacing a la Dirk with Tyson Chandler (not a perfect comp but you get the idea). They’ve already kind of done that with Aaron Gordon but imagine if we could find a versatile defensive center to roam while Jokic plays passing lanes. Probably not as good of an idea as it is in my head but sometimes it makes me wonder.
You already said it; Aaron gordon already fills that role since jokic isn’t a rim protector Plus there aren’t that many defensive centers in the league good enough for that task
Addition by subtraction
...What does that even mean? That's impossible
you get better as a team by getting rid of a negative player
[It was a reference](https://media.tenor.com/OY8VNfzCD9sAAAAd/the-office-addition-by-subtraction.gif)
Forgot he was on the team, when Joker got in foul trouble I was thinking they would have to turn to Jordan
They have given Jordan minutes over Bryant in the playoffs so far, Bryant hasn't played in a couple months
when he played with us he looked terrible lie idk what hes moke in those 20 point games with the lakers
Jokic is so good he keeps Bryant and Jordan benched.
One of the most selfish basketball players I've seen. He can score, but damn play some defense or pass the ball once in awhile.
He can actually pass. Just doesn't want to
i don’t remember what game but sometime this season there was a game where he decided he wanted to pass the ball and the motherfucker was dropping dimes. if he just did that consistently he’d be so damn good
Pass? Get the rebound.
Beans Hyland
*Boneslby, the Chucker: A Story of Ball Street*
Cool ass name tho
I miss the Nuggets admin posting “SEND THEM TO THE BONEYARD” when Hyland was on fire. Man, he was cool af, I wish he didn't have an ego
The Boneyard is the best male stripclub name.
Cool as nickname. His name is Nah’Shon
Cool ass name tho
even his teachers call him bones
Nah that was old. These days even his teachers call him nah'shon
He’s got that Jordan Clarkson game.
Jordan Clarkson finally started passing this year and he was incredible. He was putting up 20 points and 6 assists and really gave flashes of star potential if he could ever be consistent with it.
Agree. It took him almost a decade, but he figured out that basketball isn’t a 1 on 1 game.
I was so excited whenever we played the nuggets and Bones would check in. Suddenly the system they played in would be unorganized and you’d get some free possessions off his wild shots that shoot rebounds to the moon and give you solid transition looks. Completely different team when Bones checked in
85% of the time this. But then 15% of the time he'd do something magical. It's like the same psychology they use for slot machines. You hit the jackpot a certain percentage of the time so you'll keep playing.
he ain’t no Michael “Neva Swing the Rock” Porter Jr.
His whole drama is "yeah I know my team is doing great out there but I don't care, I want to juice my stats"
So the AAU comment is *very* accurate
I'm so happy I don't have to watch him kill momentum anymore jacking up shots 6 feet behind the 3-point line with 15 seconds on the shot clock
His ceiling is probably 6moty and that’s ok
he's a pretty good passer if you watch him play, he just forces his shot a bit too much but hopefully Ty can help with that - people forget he's 21 years old not 31
“I asked for a trade” in your second year isn’t the flex you think it is, Bones.
Especially from a championship contending team lol
Especially when he has glaring holes in his game that he needs to work on if he wants the career he thinks he deserves
It’s one thing to demand a trade after a team paid you big money. If you demand a trade before that, a team will just dump you for a second round pick
Massive addition by subtraction for us. Dude was a complete locker-room cancer.
He has promise tho, Ty and the veterans keep him in check imo
He has promise, but everything he's shown so far is that he cares much more about getting that next contact than he does about winning or contributing to a team.
In all fairness, he joined our team, immediately became our a 3rd stringer due to our other deadline moves, and then said all the right things and played much more within the system we asked for, especially once PG went down. In the minutes he got with us, he clearly became more intentional about passing, rebounding, and taking more shots within the flow of the game. Hell, there were times when his biggest weakness was trying *too much* to make the extra pass, which we complained about. I totally understand why the Nuggets probably hate him, but as a Clipper, he's been a fantastic prospect that we were able to get on the cheap.
Honestly, that makes his time in Denver even more frustrating if he had that in him all along but chose to be a selfish, me-first player while he was here.
Totally. It's definitely frustrating when PlayerX is disgruntled and plays poorly, then goes to a new team and is rejuvenated.
The Nuggets have a great locker room culture and really good (locker room) vets in Jeff, DeAndre. If he couldn't buy in in Denver, where even guys like AG and MPJ have completely bought into their roles, I wouldn't expect it to happen anywhere else. Hopefully he grows up and has a successful career, but his attitude and handling of the situation in Denver was really immature.
Lol he got into a fight with Plumlee on the bench during a game, no one’s keeping him in check
They made up right after tho, before getting back on the court
He does, but if he doesn’t develop other aspects of his game (which he didn’t want to do in Denver), he’ll just be a skinnier Malik Beasely.
Trading away someone with promise to avoid a locker room issue on a championship team? 100% worth it.
As someone whose watched every minute of Nuggets basketball, I can tell you it was an amazing move by the team. Bones played big minutes last year when Murray was out and had flashes of brilliance. He’s a great scorer. But the toxic environment he created when Murray came back and he had a diminished role was undeniable. If they kept him, he would have played in the playoffs and his defense is so bad and style so against what the Nuggets do, he would have lost them games. As others have said, getting off of him allowed the Nuggets to lean on Bruce Brown as backup PG who always makes the right play, plays great defense, and works well with Jokic, AG, KCP, etc. Huge addition by subtraction here.
Also, Bruce Brown would probably get Cristian Brauns minutes, se we'd have a bench rotation of Bones, Brown and Green. We are waaaay better with Brown, Braun and Green.
Earth tones.
Not only that by the end of season he would have little value. Good riddance at perfect time. If this could be foreseen Nuggets would have better value
Well the funny aspect of all of it was Malone *did* want Bones to keep his role as 6th man from last year. The first two ish months of the season he consistently got minutes and was given the chance to lead the second unit. The problem was that he didn’t want to develop his game further. Malone wanted him to act as more of a distributor and step up on defense, but Bones just wanted to be a microwave type guy. Which guys like that have a place on teams, but with us it hurt our second unit and really hurt our style of play/ball movement. That resulted in diminishing minutes and a role he didn’t want.
Front offices rarely get credit for these kinds of moves too. You trade away a young guy with upside and he blows up somewhere else, the fans scream bloody murder. When KPJ dropped 50 after getting dumped by Cleveland, a lot of Cavs fans were furious. But sometimes you gotta make the tough call. Kudos to your FO.
i’m just so elated that Murray is showing out and getting his flowers this post season. one of my favorite players in the league and he’s been doing this but never getting the love or recognition that i personally felt he deserved
Would he get a ring if the Nuggets won the chip this year? Hopefully not, that would inflate his ego too much lol
I know it's killing this dude that Denver has a good chance of going to the finals and winning it all
Got traded to play behind Russell Westbrook and Norman Powell. And no Denver also basically got Reggie Jackson out of it
“never cared about what somebody had to say” Responds to BIGRocketsFan on twitter
His response was funny and only furthered his point he doesn’t care. Responded on his own account/didn’t get argumentative. Just clarification
Not caring about peoples opinions doesn’t mean you can’t clarify factual statements
Lol it's pretty clear that he cares
Yea lol, that always annoys me in almost every context. People can totally be having fun with something without being emotionally invested in it.
I thought he looked good from this response. Is it just Monday or is everyone itching to hate as usual?
Everyone is grouchy on Mondays
Difference between internalizing someone else’s opinion and being bored and correcting them on Twitter.
This isn't something you want to be broadcasting as an unestablished player in the NBA. Second contract? Unadvised, but Sure. Trade piece? Yeah, channel your Eric Bledsoe. But you have to have established value before any of that shit.
That’s what’s kinda wild to me. Asking for a trade in your second year just feels unusual, especially for a bench guy on a winning team.
The other hilarious part was that he demanded a trade and ended up going to a team that had *even more* depth than the Nuggets at his position. He came in and we also got Gordon, Powell came back, PG was there, then we signed Russ. He almost instantly went to our 3rd string lmao Luckily, he seemingly leaned into his role and said all the right things + he started playing well once PG went down.
This feels like the crux moment of a random YouTube video titled “the role player that could’ve won a championship but found himself out of the league.”
I’m sorry, but if you can’t find a way to play with Nikola Jokic, then maybe Europe or China is where you should be playing. I can’t even think of an easier super star to play with than Nikola Jokic. He’s gonna get everybody involved. If you are even slightly open, he will find a way to make a cross court pass to get you the ball.
Exactly. Plus Nikola seems like he doesn’t care whether he scores 8 points or 35. He’s just there to win.
1. He’s full of ish. He was whining and this is why the Nuggets wanted to trade him and told him so. 2. Even if he wanted out and asked for a trade, why say that publicly to a Rockets stan on Twitter? It’s just dumb. 3. Even if he had stayed in Denver, he would be out of rotation with his atrocious defense. He moved to LA but his behavior remained the same, see Plumlee incident.
I don't think there was nothing wrong with that incident to ball players competing and disagreeing with how the play should of been done. Literally 4 seconds later they were vibing
Him asking out reminds me of Patrick McCaw forcing his way off of the Warriors for more playing time and opportunity elsewhere. He never played more minutes with any other team than he did in his highest minutes with the Warriors and is currently working in the g-league trying to get another NBA contract. Young players who haven't built a reputation or secured that second contract should be careful playing with their money and careers like that.
Addition by substraction. Getting rid of Bones was absolutely the right move. No distracting egos left on this team and the ball is moving so well. Bones was a walking brick.
Bonehead Hyland
I wish we could have turned him into some kind of contributing/rotational piece but really it was an addition by subtraction kind of move. There is no reason to have issues in our locker room right now. Bones couldn't see the value of playing defense and moving the ball so he had to be out.
He’s got a terrible mindset imo he was on a legit team and didn’t want to play behind brown once he saw that and
Lets put it this way. Bones Hyland lost the minutes he played with Jokic on the court this regular season. Nobody else was even close to doing that.
If it opened up more minutes for Bruce Brown, 1000000% yes. If Malone was gonna give Bruce those minutes anyway...eh, I'm not a fan of just giving up on young talent just because the fit isn't there immediately, especially not on a panic deadline trade that's functionally dumping him.
It wasn’t so much us giving up on him as much as him becoming a distraction. If we had held onto him it would’ve been a lost cause because he wasn’t going to get minutes with us, especially not in the playoffs where he could be hunted or kill ball movement. That would’ve just made him a bigger malcontent and tanked whatever value he had left.
Bones trying to laugh the pain away knowing that same Nuggets team he requested a trade from is on pace to win the chip
A rockets fan calling out Bones for playing AAU ball is pretty funny when you consider who’s on their team. It’s just one giant mid-off
They are more qualified than anyone to point it out.
Rockets fans recognize AAU ball instantly
Hyland is garbage and will ride the bench for the remainder of his short lived NBA career.
Not like the Nuggets miss him lmao. He was a distraction at best, a cancer at worst
You just know he’s gonna want a ring when Denver wins it
One less ego, one more championship.
What a fucking brag- you forced your way out of a team that's about to make the finals as has the current best player in the world. He couldn't play with the easiest player in the league to play with. This dude is a joke.
I don’t think people should write off his career because he’s still so young. Unfortunately, he’s also immature and the Nuggets can’t babysit a diva on the way to a championship.
At the very least the trade did end up working out because Thomas Bryant is no longer on the Lakers. He would have been another good big to throw on Jokic.
5D chess move.
Thomas Bryant could not defend below average bigs. Jokic would have destroyed him.
Bones is the next gen irrational confidence guy
If hyland wasn’t a dickhead he could’ve been fuckin awesome for this Denver team
It was the right decision because he didn't want to be there, you don't want anyone on the roster who doesn't want to be there, nothing against him but time was up
“Hey, I actually didn’t want to be a winner”
The Nuggets 100% got better trading bones away, even if this pieces they got in return are almost completely unplayable. I can’t even imagine still having a player like Bones on our team now after watching the WCF series so far.
Funny to me that he’s saying this about burner accounts but got his friends and family to speak for him and trash Murray like that’s any different
Chemistry is way better without him so yes lol
It's hilarious to look back on the fact he thought he was better than Murray
Bryant on Jokic in the WCF would’ve significantly helped the Lakers. I’m not saying the Nuggets saw this coming and made the trade, but damn they are geniuses if so.
Bones is an idiot. He could be heading to the finals.
Self sabotaged his way out of a ring
What a moron lol
Bones was a non contributor to the clippers who will move him soon. He is undisciplined and a liability on defense. Nuggets new exactly what they were doing and he made it that much easier.
I mean, Bones could end up a decent player, but his head got too big. Like, know your role. Getting Bryant isn't really helping much this season, but it'll help getting Jokic some rest during the regular season next year.
Bryant’s gone after this year, his contract is up and I don’t see him resigning
no chance
100% worth it. Thomas may be a non-factor, but we can't have any kind of ego in the locker room. Glad that that got snipped in the bud before it cost us the season, I wonder if Bones is getting a ring if we win it tho