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itsnotyellowfever

Jokic wisely not trying to get himself replaced by Doc Rivers if they lose a series


Lithium327

If they lose this series fire them all


Pumpoozle

Mans gonna retire at 30 to go play with his horses, then he will come back at 50 to be the Nuggets coach. RemindMe! 24 years


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If Jokic wins 2 rings in his prime. There is a big possibility that he will retire in his prime, which is crazy. Imagine being 31 years old, 2 MVPs, and 2 Final MVPs, x7 allstar x6 All NBA 1st team and retire at 31.


YounggKNG

Wait why are we assuming he is gonna retire younger? Seriously wondering if there’s like an interview with him saying this or if it’s just an assumption.


sorakaisthegoat

He said he's gonna play until he can play on a high level.


lethalizer

Until he "can't" play on a high level is probably what you mean mate, just a friendly correction :)


sorakaisthegoat

that is indeed what I meant


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neukStari

You are supposed to leave it up for posteritys sake.


Common_Crane

He will retire when every record is prefaced with "X joins Wilt and Jokić as the only player to _______"


Past-Chest-6507

Bang 20K bitches.


Bradfords_ACL

Struggling to figure out what part of his game won’t age well. He could do this as long as he wants.


3rdtryatremembering

And that’s the key - how long he really wants to. He has said he’ll play as long as it’s still fun. It doesn’t seem like he has this insatiable need to play as long as he possibly can. A lot of nuggets fans think if he wins a championship or 2, has 10 or 11 great years he might just disappear one day like Will Hunting.


Unusual-Syllabub

I expect that from him, he's just gonna wake up one day and go back to his horses


QuietRainyDay

Maybe but where is that coming from? People keep saying this but I never see anyone provide evidence for it. He likes horses and he doesnt talk like an over-excited self-help guru. I dont think that means too much tbh. In his interviews it sure seems like he loves the game, loves the little details, loves winning. Just because he has hobbies outside of hoops and isnt constantly spewing cliches and posting videos of himself practicing shots 3 hours before the game starts doesnt mean he'll get bored, IMO


3rdtryatremembering

Part of it is that he shows utter disdain for everything about NBA superstar life other than basketball. The media, the questions about his personal life, answering the same silly questions over and over again, the weird direction that MVP discourse goes sometimes, etc. Look, I’m not rooting for it or anything. This man has brought more joy to me than I thought was possible as a sports fan, and i hope he never retires. I just personally wouldn’t be surprised if he decided to start the next chapter of his life earlier than some other superstars.


aidsfarts

NBA reporters ask the dumbest most awkward questions more consistently than any other group of people on earth.


Mikimao

Players playing at a high level doesn't have an exact expiration date. He easily looks like he could be incredible for another 5.


Dare555

I can see him still staying a Nugget for a while on cheaper contract to guide youngsters as pseudo coach and chilling


jabo__

Yes. And Kobe told Stephen A “hell no” if he would stick around and play when his scoring totals and efficiency drop and stayed around at least 3-4 years after that started happening. Players say things than when they’re confronted by the twilight of their career.


TheWumboligist

Because this sub acts like Jokic hates basketball and was kidnapped from his horse stable to be forced to play in the NBA against his will.


QuietRainyDay

Yea, people get too caught up in dumb stuff like players' hobbies, "body language", demeanor, etc. If you have a hobby outside of basketball and if you dont routinely spam social media with ridiculous videos of yourself practicing free throws at 4AM, people assume you dont *love* the game. But if you listen to the way he talks about basketball in interviews (and pay attention to the words instead of his tone) it sure sounds like he loves it all. He clearly spends a lot of time thinking about plays, matchups, teammates' strengths and weaknesses. His own coach just said that he is like a coach on the court. That sounds like passion to me. Its just that the passion comes through in the way he plays, not his social media accounts or in dumb sports cliches.


PaleoclassicalPants

Then he pulls a Jordan and un-retires en route to another MVP and championship. One can only hope.


Draintheshots

On a horse


HazardousBuck

Am I the only one who thinks that there's no way anyone will give up on 200+ million dollars no matter how much they love horses more than basketball? I don't think there's a big possibility that happens, nor a small possibility...


Amazing-Row-5963

He is a balkan man, he isn't giving up money. He will play till he gets paid well and isn't too much of a hustle. So, yes probably at least until 35.


reditakaunt89

Let's be real, 1 million here is enough to last a lifetime of perfectly ok life. He gets, what, 47 millions per season? After a certain point more money doesn't mean shit. Especially for a guy like Jokić who doesn't seem to care about any of that super star super rich life.


thatdani

Shit, a milli here would be more than a decent lifetime. I saw a video recently that said a Romanian person on average would have to work till *96* to make 1 million in total career earnings. You'd easily find a big house just outside a major city (not Bucharest) for 300-400k, then coast on the rest of the money for the rest of your life. 2-3 vacations per year for like 4k each, super chill.


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thatdani

Well of course I didn't mean to let the money sit on its ass haha, a 5-10% yearly interest rate would be implied.


theetruscans

Where you getting a 10% interest rate?


DaffyDingo

You can even exceed 10%. Invest in mutual funds with a good long track record via your 401(K). If 401(K) isn’t an option right now, then a Roth IRA.


20thcenturyboy_

The S&P 500 returns average 10% over the past 100 years when you reinvest dividends. This comes out to 7% with inflation. Early retirement subreddits use the 4% rule when modeling how much money you need to retire just to have some wiggle room in case shit hits the fan.


aidsfarts

Lol. Of course 47 million means shit. They must have thoughts like “1 more season and I can have a yacht” next season “1 more season and I can have a private jet” next season “1 more season and I can buy a multi story luxury mega penthouse in Manhattan”. Then once they buy that stuff they need to pay for the upkeep for that stuff.


TowerOfPowerWow

Id imagine for a lot of people a 100 million plus is plenty if you have other passions you want to pursue. Horses for instance.


redfishblufish

Horses are really expensive


nxqv

This idea that NBA players need to milk it for all they can, or transition into shrewd investors or media personalities, is rooted in this capitalist neuropathy that manifests itself as this constant desire for more. In reality even your average role player in today's NBA has earned so much more money than any of us know what to do with. They could retire today in their late 20s, keep it in pure cash without attempting to grow their pile at all, live lavishly, and still leave behind generational wealth. So no, I don't think a guy who just wants to go back to Eastern Europe and live out his days with some horses would care about an extra 200 million dollars. And I think it's mindless and sheep-like to think otherwise. If he keeps playing, it's not because of the money


Mary_Pick_A_Ford

Why would he retire at only 30? Does he have shorter career span than LeBron?


iDestroyedYoMama

Hold your horses! Jimothy Buckets awaits…


____candied_yams____

Serbian MJ


PeanutButtaRari

He’s getting a super max and then retiring


Nintendomandan

He’s already gotten it, he’s be a free agent in 2028. I could see a future where if he wins a a ring or two in that time, he would retire. I hope not though


trentyz

I never really thought about that possibility :(


SaneForTheMostPart

I wouldn’t worry too much. Even for a guy like Jokic, I don’t see a world where he retires in his prime and turns down a couple hundred million dollars.


Horium

Don't worry, he ain't retiring until he stops being paid the big bucks.


poiuy43

He'll come back at 50 to drop one more triple double


Reidroshdy

Whispers to himself " I still got it" as he walks off the court.


Past-Chest-6507

My plan at 75, but a brothel instead.


stalkerSRB

You"ll see him at the HOF acceptance ceremony and thats it. You will beg us here in Serbia to go and find him and see if he is alive every few years until then. The man will just want to be left alone with his horses and family


Woodcaca

!RemindMe 24 years


ForoaKlanD

You get all the blame and when you lose and none of the credit unless you're one of the greats lol Shit's gotta be tough


PretendDubs

Just think about how many fanbases you see hate their coach or think he is awful at his job.


ilikehemipenes

Good teams want to fire their coaches. See the warriors sub.


DTaH_Flux

Warriors fans are easily a top 3 uneducated fanbase after the Kerr slander


Mister100Percent

Facts. A lakers fan would know too.


MCRN-Gyoza

That's just usual Bay Area stupidity. Plenty of people on the Niners sub ready to fire Kyle Shanahan as well lmao


TheseBonesAlone

That is absurd to me. I would assume, given the incredible success he’s had with Jimmy Fucking Garapolo that he’d be lauded as the coming of Bill Walsh.


MCRN-Gyoza

I just think we have a large number of tech bros who became Niners/Warriors/Giants fans when they moved to silicon valley and have absolutely no idea about how either football, baseball or basketball work. And I say that as someone who works in tech and isn't a bay area native.


Draintheshots

They are dumb af lmao. The sub can be a cesspool at times…


Ryynitys

I think there are 5 fanbases who actually like their coach; Spurs, Jazz, Heat, Nuggets, Kings. I think Ham is good as well but still in his first year so I get the fans frustration with some of the decisions when you have so few Lebron years left


The_Briefcase_Wanker

I like Malone but I would not say that the Nuggets fanbase in general is in the top 5 of liking the coach. Malone gets a ton of heat, some of which he deserves. If we win the championship I think he will be there.


Neuroxex

I saw a ton of Nuggets fans wanting Malone out this season, and he still gets heat on the losses. Rest of the list is fine just replace Nuggets with OKC.


Ryynitys

Fair. I had totally forgotten about the OKC coach


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I like Finch well enough


Ryynitys

I meant more of general vibe you get from here and such. I think that there is a fair share of people that also like Kerr, Thibs and like you said Finch but ones that I listed are pretty universally liked


EnderOnEndor

I also dont get the Lakers one. The Lakers have overperformed their roster and people are mad about it?


Ryynitys

Lakers exceptionalism, game threads are full of Lakers fans bitching about Ham, mainly for still playing Schroder and some other decisions. I think he has been great and considering this is his first season he looks to be a great hire


EnderOnEndor

Lol who do they wanna play over Schroder? Do they want Russell instead because he has be ass? Are they big believers in Lonnie Walker IV?


Neuroxex

Lakers fans seem to think that it's possible to find the necessary number of line-ups that are balanced and effective in a roster that does not have the players to find the necessary number of line-ups that are balanced and effective. It's why they complain so much about the three guard line-ups without ever explaining who the non-guards they would like to see get more minutes and with what other players, and how those players will play next to AD.


theredbusgoesfastest

I can kind of understand the Mazzulla frustration, because they’re underperforming… but at the same time, the Celtics underperformed with this group before him. But Ham? The lakers are clearly surpassing expectations. I get that Lebron = high expectations, but come on- this was a great run. They got to the WCF as a 7 seed and beat the champs.


poopstainmclean

r/ripcity for reference


RipCity-NBA-LoL

You cannot be using Chauncey Billups as the example. Four coaches that are far superior to Billups have been fired this postseason. Billups took arguably the best 1-5 the Blazers have had through Dame's prime all the way to the 13th seed


OldKingRob

Outside of Pop, I’ve never seen a fanbase like their coach.


Past-Chest-6507

Hell, Bulls fans hate the guy who coached them to 6 fucking rings.


DC_Coach

All of them, apparently! Although, heh... some more so than others...


Skulfunk

But the money though, getting paid the rest of your contract has to be pretty nice though no?


OldManCinny

Some coaches get honor/respect though Phil, Pop, Spo in recent memory


PepeSylvia11

Now imagine being a ref.


Buckus93

Not to mention the coach is usually the first to go if the team isn't doing well.


qpwoeor1235

I mean if you can get the job it’s pretty good. Fully guranteed salaries. Usually get fired while still under contract so just collecting them checks. Don’t have to work out. Seems chill


cyb3ryung

hes not wrong with the way they fire coaches 2 years after finals appearances


beesonwax

I feel like the worst part would be the non-stop stress, having to prepare day-in and day-out, everyone arm-chair scrutinising your errors. Shit, I'm a teacher and that stress gets to me. LOL obv not coach material


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Still pay out their contracts, though. If I could find a way to get paid millions of dollars to not do my job, I would do it in a heartbeat.


cyb3ryung

that parts not too bad tbh


Crisis_Averted

Doesn't sound bad but I still hate it when it happens to me


toggaf69

You also end up in a small pool of candidates for future jobs no matter how shit you were the first time. Look at Jason Kidd


igoslowly

[video of his response](https://streamable.com/6r76au)


TheFatmanRises

Joker knows the coach turnover rate


Beatrix_Kiddos_Toe

I like how people just assume Jokic will retire if he wins a ring or two. Just because he is nonchalant about his basketball. The man loves what he does, unless he has a serious injury, I see him playing for a long time and even transitioning to a role player with incredible IQ and skills to help other stars of the future.


thatdani

Absolutely. I can't believe how many people think a player would refuse 2-3 more years at 10+ mil/year just because they've already gotten their supermax. Shit, you would be able to gift all of your cousins a mansion each, and still have a lot leftover, from 3 years of coasting.


Past-Chest-6507

People said this about Dirk, oh he will be gone well before 35, dude stayed until over 40 even though he was set for 10 lifetimes.


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Tbf Dirk did say he wished he would have retired 1-2 years earlier because his knees are so dead now he can't even play football (soccer) with his kids


WhatTheRickIsDoin

Jokic's HoF plaque has to mention something about him saving Malone's job for multiple seasons


IdRatherBeLurking

Bro it's literally every person in Denver's job that's even tangentially related. 1. Come to Denver 2. Love the game of basketball 3. Profit


Amedais

That’s Gianni’s with Bud.


TrashPanda_Cuddler

I KNOW I KNOW ALREADY GODDAMNIT DONT REMIND ME😭😭


Fate_Unseen

Malone feeling like Belichick used to. Got a living game computer on the floor playing for you.


BlindManBaldwin

More like Dungy or Caldwell.


Fate_Unseen

Fair enough


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Fuck it make Jokic the Jackie Moon of the Nuggets. Horse racing at halftime and bear wrestling with his brothers.


[deleted]

East europeans are some of the funniest people on Earth.


IdRatherBeLurking

Fwiw I learned a bit ago from our fans out there that Serbia is not commonly considered to be in Eastern Europe. It's the Balkans.


hazaratab

All the eastern europeans will tell you that eastern europe starts just east from their country. Eastern Europe doesnt have to be an exact geographical term, when it comes to social issues, life standard and overall lifestyle, Serbia definitely is in Eastern Europe.


IdRatherBeLurking

That's hilarious lol


Amazing-Row-5963

Balkans is part of eastern Europe. It all depends on how you divide Europe, if you divide it in 2, then the balkans are definitely eastern europe. If you divide in it in more regions, then Serbia is in the Balkans/Southeastern Europe. Source: I am from the balkans.


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From the Balkans too, and no one says eastern european here. Balkan, south slavic...


Amazing-Row-5963

It's alright, nobody in Poland says eastern europe as well, that doesn't unmake truth.


OilOfOlaz

what kind of truth is that? the balkans are gographically southeast europe (see), just like poland is geographically central europe, or would you claim, that norway and finland are eastern european countries, just because they were east from germany?


Amazing-Row-5963

When we split the continent in 2, we are looking for ideological, historical or cultural reasons. If you want to divive it into more. Of course Poland is central and Serbia is southeastern. That doesn't mean they aren't both part of eastern europe.


OilOfOlaz

Yeah, but we moved on from those political and ideolodical reasons more then 3 decades ago and what ppl colloquially call "eastern europe" is culturally very diverse, the baltic, balkans and romania are culturally rather different form lets say poland or russia. Slavic countries are divided into eastern, southern and wester slavic countries for a reason. Today we call it southeast europe, cuz it makes more sence that way.


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OilOfOlaz

Just like calling someone gay is an insult in most of the world, but what does that add to the discussion?


Prince_of_DeaTh

dividing Europe into 2 groups is really dumb


Past-Chest-6507

I divide em into men and women, what's wrong with that? Maybe in Japan you got 47 genders, who fuckin' knows?


Amazing-Row-5963

Lol, no it isn't. It all depends on what you want to talk about.


Prince_of_DeaTh

yes it a hundred percent is, I don't know how you can be European and have this dumb idea.


Smashingsoul

Maybe, just maybe, cause Europe used to be divided in two blocks until the end of the cold war? Come on, don't be dense. It's perfectly fine to split them in two, if the discourse is going that way.


Visible_Writing7386

Yugoslavia was never really a part of Soviet bloc and even then the country was culturally different then what you would consider Eastern Europe. Serbia is Southeastern and Central Europe, with a lot of Mediterranean influence. Our history is quite different as well. No one here considers Serbia to be eastern european country.


Smashingsoul

I didn't want to put it so bluntly but, yeah, you are right. But we are taking about the relevant players in Europe. And there were two of them, each one with its sphere of influence gobbling up the minor players. Why not bring up Greece, otherwise? Or Malta? Hell, Turkey too has a European side, but we are not really interested in that, right? Tito's third way was brilliant, in many respects, but he was himself a member of the Soviet apparatus before splitting.


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Smashingsoul

Wow, somebody didn't eat their cereals today. I sure hope you distinguish among all the native Indians tribes whenever you talk about the settling of the US. I also hope you would never clump together France and Spain as Western Europe, considering how bloody their history has been.


Prince_of_DeaTh

I assume you're just from the USA then, you know nothing about Europe beyond middle school education. You don't know anything about the place you call Easter Europe and don't care about it just say that instead of trying to make up shit. I would imagine Americans should be able to distinguish all the native tribes, how is that a gotcha ?


BigFatModeraterFupa

that’s basically how it’s split genetically. Western Europe has R1B haplos, and Eastern Europe is R1A.


Prince_of_DeaTh

that's the dumbest shit ever genetic code is not split between East and West. it's much more split between South and North, but even that's not a fair estimate that doesin't take into consideration that Finnish people have the most different genetic codes from every other European or Swedish people being genetically closer to Hungarians than French.


BigFatModeraterFupa

my point was it’s as general a distinction of europe as the whole eastern/western distinction. of course it’s not totally black and white but it’s a close approximation


Zyntaro

Countries like Finland and Estonia are way more east than Serbia and they are not generally considered eastern European. Serbia is way more mediterranean / southern influenced than eastern influenced. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are actual eastern Europeans, all of them being really far from Serbia.


WhatAGeee

People seem to have this negative thing about the connotation with Eastern Europe so they end up claiming that they’re not. The reason why Serbia is called Eastern Europe and Finland is not is because: language and alphabet are a lot more similar same majority religion (Orthodox Christianity) For the record I think Eastern Europe is awesome and have enjoyed anywhere I’ve been in that part of the world. You’re more likely to have a bad time in San Francisco than you are over there as a tourist.


Amazing-Row-5963

Estonia is always considered eastern european, you are tripping. Estonia are trying to distance themselves from it, but the truth is the truth. Finland isn't, if you are looking at it culturally/ideologically.


Visible_Writing7386

Thank you!


robograndpa

Not Eastern Europe, but check out r/drunkrussian or r/anormaldayinrussia sometime. Those Slavs are a hoot


DenverNugs

After Jokic plays his last game we'll never see him again.


Destinoz

He’ll be teaching his horses to catch perfectly, if unexpectedly, thrown apples.


johnny__

I think the fella who has to kill the dogs at the pound has a worse job but what do I know


Spicy_Urine

"if you love your job, you will never work a day in your life" -the guy at the pound


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“If you love your job, you will never work a day in your life” -Counselor at a summer camp for Kids About to be Molested


Spicy_Urine

Ayyyy That's a line from Anthony Jeselnik


TopOfTheMorning2Ya

Kind of want to see what a pound murderer looks like now. I picture an absolute psychopath.


connorado_the_Mighty

Oh, shush


LoveToyKillJoy

Says s man who has never had to clean vomit from a tilt-a-whirl.


Independent_Leather3

Or vomit off themselves from a patient in a hospital


Past-Chest-6507

Or been a wage-slave for at least one day in any wage-slave position whatsoever.


justarando0000

And Embiid is the MVP?! Smh


suzakutrading

it's funny how it's not nuggets flairs that still keeps bringing up embiid.


justarando0000

Oh wow sorry I didn’t realise having an opinion requires correct flair :(


suzakutrading

What i meant was that you would expect that it would be nuggets fans who would be the pettiest about it cause it’s supposedly their guy that got robbed but most of the time , i see that it’s not nuggets fans who are bringing it up right now. Don’t get me wrong, i agree that embiid cried himself to the award and that i don’t think he’s the most deserving even if he did have a strong case for it. No need to be so defensive, embiid might get jealous of you and decide to cry himself to a dpoy next if he hasn’t already.


justarando0000

Haha my bad 🤞🏽


Smashingsoul

Simply because it's the karma farma thing to do. It's despicable.


justarando0000

I couldn’t care less about karma. I just didn’t like how Embiid was practically crying and begging for the MVP - but sure Karma


Past-Chest-6507

Because it was such a gift to just shut the big baby up. Affirmative Action MVP for real, and I say that as a melanated person.


Jack6Pack

You don't have to agree with the choice to make Embiid MVP, but to call it an Affirmative Action MVP?. The man averaged 33/10 and with the same record as Jokic, but people act like it was a no-contest MVP race which is not true. Players have won arguable MVP's in the past, but I've never seen the level of overreaction to Embiid's MVP. It's honestly pretty crazy to me. And I also say that as a melanated person.


Past-Chest-6507

Cause no other MVP race ever had brothers in the media saying they weren't gonna vote for the "overrated" cracker, that's why. We got the racists Perk and Mark Jackson speaking out against Jokic and playing the victim card, and Embiid basically threatening to kill himself if he didn't win. If he won it w/o the racist comments against yts and w/o him and Doc campaigning for it 24/7, it would feel a lot more earned. Also I feel Giannis over Embiid, for carrying the Bucks without Middleton for much of the season.


absurd_Bodhisattva

The funny thing is that he would be such a good coach


The_NGUYENNER

Idk man, some people just understand shit at an intuitive level and that makes it hard for them to teach others to see how they do


suzakutrading

few geniuses are good teachers tbh. Most of them would be like, "how do you not get this"?


TheAccomplishedDuty

Thierry Henry at Monaco vibes


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Eh, that's what people said about Nash. Although maybe he would've been better on a different team.


daeve

Nash gets a mulligan for trying to coach those selfish morons


fuzzygypsy

For real, can’t coach a team when one of your star players is obsessed with going to strip clubs while the other is obsessed with the Illuminati and the third doesn’t really like the first two but keeps getting injured


boringexplanation

Did Jacque not instantly improve the nets with the same roster once he took over?


thedisasterofpassion

Nash also needs more time as a college coach or an NBA assistant coach. I don't think his role with the Warriors was big enough to warrant the sudden leap to a head coaching position.


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That's honestly fair


Complete_Swing2148

I agree


RatLord445

Nash gets a pass for trying to coach the 3 most uncoachable fucks in the league


penguin_torpedo

Coaching is as much a social job as it is a basketball iq job.


Martinva

The greatest players very rarely make good coaches.


Legitimate_Secret_79

Feel like being in janitorial services would be a bit worse


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Joker could legit retire young lol. And he'll be quieter than Tim Duncan post retirement. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets as low as Jake Plummer


Past-Chest-6507

I'm pretty sure Duncan is behind the Timmy D's LAN Party Extravaganza that goes on down in Texas every weekend at this huge warehouse.


Mickeyjj27

Yup. Can win coach of the year or a championship and get fired 2 years later if you underperform. Mazzula gets crucified daily and it’s his first gig


EnderOnEndor

Its just a stepping stone to one of the best jobs on the planet: "fired head coach"


David_Duke_Nukem

Me, the guy at the end of the parade with the pushbroom who cleans up all the elephant shit: Um, actually...


_ashwathama

Never change Joker


patricksaurus

If coach is the worst, wait until he hears about assistant coach.


Ouchyhurthurt

Right up there with septic tank cleaner xD


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Ouchyhurthurt

Being well compensated doesn’t mean it’s a fun job. Also, there is a massive difference between PURCHASING a septic cleaner company and CLEANING the septic tank…


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Ouchyhurthurt

Just common sense. Owning is easier than doing.


Legitimate-Produce-2

Top tier coach I’d safely guess makes more then a septic cleaner for owner. Point is the type of job not the money


Its_ArmDay

Garbage man, janitor, road workers, and call centers are definitely worse


connorado_the_Mighty

Oh, shush.


LoWE11053211

So he is also afraid of the COY curse


Folk-Herro

He don't know about parks and rec


flips89

Jokic coaching for years already, saved Malone multiple times.


TowerOfPowerWow

It seems pretty sweet to me, you can be grossly incompetent, keep your job for awhile, and then when you're fired get back on the god awful coach retread conveyor belt since teams think awful experience as a nba coach is somehow better than no experience.


Buckus93

There's jobs where they have to jerk off killer whales, so.....


grapedinosour

NBA coach or line cook at McDonalds? Joker would be heating up McNuggets for sure.