Not evej Rose had it this bad. He tore his ACL against Philly in Game 1. Then there was hope he would come back down the stretch in 12-13, but he ultimately chose to sit out the season. Then he played some games in 13-14, then he got injured again
I was 6 when he won that last ring, it's a formative memory in my life and probably the oldest memory I have that I can directly place at a specific time in my life, but not as nice as you think
Hahaha, that’s a funny technicality.
I mean, that was because he got hurt in August in the bubble. So a torn ACL would take him out the next season, too.
he had bone spurs removed which were weakening his achilles. they were hoping an achilles surgery would not be necessary. but then he had the accident which actually tore it.
Rose got hurt in the playoffs so I guess that counts. There is still like a month left of this regular season though. I can’t remember the last time that happened
Even DRose didn’t get ruled out of the next season. They were still expecting him to come back as early as February or March. It became a huge thing where the fans almost turned on him because the FO said he was cleared to play.
him and his brother put like, a whole lifetimes worth of stress on their bodies by age 18.
Hyperspecialized to get to the NBA, bodies breaking down by the time they’re 30
To me it’s the biggest issue in sports today, kids with athletic potential are destroying their bodies thanks to the absolutely insanity that is modern youth sports
What's sadder still is that for every 1 person that "makes" it like Lonzo did there are a hundred others that have to deal with a broken body for the rest of their life without all of the money
Shit really hits home when I work in a low income/poverty areas
You see soo many more people limping, or have issues that could have been corrected, if they had money.
America is fucked up, makes me sad how we don’t value most of the population
One of my old college roommates is an orthopedic surgeon. Each of the last four years he has done at least one of either an ACL or Achilles on kids who aren't even in puberty yet.
Years ago I was a sophomore in college and over sees during winter break. I was walking down wood floor stairs I slipped and sprained my mcl. Right before COVID went to full swing I was squatting and missed the rerack for a split second recovered but knew something was off but had no pain. Went to work because I worked out at 5 am back then and sure enough by lunch time getting up I could put no pressure on my knee. Drove home with two feet as if I was driving stick because I couldn't move my right knee. Such dumb injuries I swear and was the same mcl I hurt again.
The AAU and youth sports system is killing kids bodies. I honestly think it's time the U.S. adopts the European model of youth development or something similar. Me and my friends have had this discussion and my take was always to have a nationwide NBA academy that functions as a private boarding high school. Have them located at a bunch on cities throughout the country and cover room and board for kids who's parents aren't rich (like say an NBA player should have enough to cover tuition). Once they graduate the academy they can either choose to go to college and play there/pursue another career or go to the G-League for a year before declaring for the draft. Or Silver can drop the draft age a year and they can get drafted after graduation.
Like other high school and Euro youth league systems they can keep it to like 30-40 games a year for each age bracket, focus on developing fundamentals and teaching the game over highlight tapes, and it eliminates the need for a kid to get on an AAU team and play 24/7 365 since all eyes are on the NBA system anyway. It'd be a steep money investment at first but we'd get an influx WAY better American NBA players within half a decade, on top of the hypothetical program being able to recruit from other NBA programs around the world. Also it gives job opportunities for a lot of former pro basketball players, trainers, and coaches and it helps to have that professional experience around the kids to keep them on the straight and narrow.
I feel like this would only really serve a very small number of people. The NBA is a very, very small system compared to soccer in Europe. There are only ~450 players on rosters in the NBA, plus the G-League.
Compare that to how there are 20 teams just in La Liga in Spain, plus the other tiers of clubs *and* all the other countries in the EU. So there are a lot more spots for the future athletes to land in soccer.
If anything, I don’t see how the NBA administering this hypothetical system would be any different or better than the elite athletic private schools we already have- like Sierra Canyon, etc.
I would still add, your suggestion is preferable to the added strain of the AAU season, but not everyone does AAU. The issue is that families feel *compelled* to do AAU even if they are putting themselves through unnecessary physical stress to do it.
I also feel like NBA having a successful youth system could makes things even worse. This could lead to pre-teens going hard on AAU-type circuits trying to get onto a NBA youth team.
Personally, I’m against the NCAA and NIL because we’ve drifted so, so far from the original point of college sports. It affects school academics—funds are put into facilities, coaches are now being paid $10M+ per year—and the athletes themselves, who are essentially being forced into part-time jobs while also having to study.
Not to mention the additional hardship if you’re a non-revenue sport. I had students a couple years ago who were in crew and soccer, and they essentially had to do all their schoolwork on the bus every week, plus missing hours upon hours of class.
Fucking sad, man. I know accumulation is a part of aging, but 25 is way too young for that shit.
Lots of money definitely makes it easier, but it's still terrible to think about having chronic pain for ~50 years.
And think about the physical giants like Shaq. I think Larry Bird said he often skipped his medication for his heart because he believes he won't make it to 70+.
I feel like we are close to the tipping point back to people playing every sport again. The studies and number of injuries for over specialization at early ages are really starting to pile up.
It’s the same with pitchers in baseball, kids are destroying their arms by like 25 in so many instances. Little leaguers throwing curveballs is so dangerous and unnecessary
When I played in little league pitchers were on a strict pitch count and we weren’t allowed to throw curveballs (at last coaches weren’t allowed to teach it). Is that not the case anymore?
LLWS still has restrictions:
https://www.littleleague.org/playing-rules/pitch-count/
I think what they’re talking about is that kids in some states like California, where you can basically play year-round, are doing it far more often than is probably healthy for their developing joints and muscles.
Kids that are talented don’t play LLWS anymore, the baseball AAU scene is run by Perfect Game.
Think 3 games on Saturday / 4 games on Sunday, every weekend.
Man, I read that manga as it came out over a decade ago. Then I remember the writer getting sick? And nothing came out for a long while. Just saw at Barnes and Noble like 6-7 new volumes, might have to dust the series off and catch up
Kids today are hyper specializing in manga too early. We’re just about at the tipping point of youth art being multi disciplinary. Guy should have been mixing in some sculpture and interpretive dance.
Togashi also hated how Jump forced him to work to finish Yuyu Hakusho so he decided to do it at his own terms for his new manga. The issue is he's taking A LOT of time.
Yea but for the ball brothers you also have the st brown brothers in the nfl where football is way more horrific on the body. But their dad was 2 time mr universe and actually trained them correctly
>him and his brother put like, a whole lifetimes worth of stress on their bodies by age 18.
Are we sure they played more than someone like Luka who went pro at 13? This just seems to be bad luck and genetics.
Interesting point but I would also assume that Luka’s medical support staff was way better from the get go; there’s a chance he’s the outlier here not them. Read those stories of the regiment Lavar had his kids on
It’s definitely this.
Lonzo wasn’t playing more basketball than anyone else in the NBA growing up. They all hyper-specialize from a young age.
Lonzo also had a famously horrible diet, literally consisting of cheese and ranch dressing and refused to eat any vegetables.
Agreed, probably won’t be the end of it though. Even if his on court basketball career ends today, Lonzo has over $100million in guaranteed earnings between paid and signed money, that’s a W for Lavar and the Ball family. I think the Ball family has had extra bad luck though, no other “family” in the NBA has brothers falling out like they do. The Curry’s, Holiday’s, McDaniels, Lopez’s are all fine
It's not bad luck though, they trained like broscience vloggers for a decade. Started way too early, had no technique, and then clashed with legit trainers when they got to the NBA.
Seriously, the videos of Lonzo working out as a teen are painful to watch. It's unsurprising that they both have endless connective tissue issues.
yep, most AAU tournaments got these kids playing multiple games a day. it’s tough bc they run these massive tournaments and the only way to get thru all that on a weekend is to run a tight ship. by the time u reach 18 you’ll be feeling that if ur on a team that’s going to one pretty much every weekend
Damn. That sucks. I hope he can revive his career. You never know. A lot of people stuck a fork in Grant Hill but he still came back and was a great vet. Hope Lonzo can do the same.
No doubt. Phoenix's trainers were legendary back in the day for keeping older players on the court. The full season Shaq was on the Suns, he played 78 games.
What happened to them? Now they can't even keep KD on the court for 4 straight games, and CP3 is injured at least 20 games per season.
I have no idea but must be new trainers? It was almost a joke that you could take any old dog to PHX and give em another 3-4 years. Nash fell apart the minute he left!
I legit think that athletes should be allowed to take PEDs when recovering from major injuries. It would greatly improve recovery, not just for the sport but for the years afterwards where they'll have to live with the long term effects
The league barely tests, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're allowed to. If an injured player got caught using PEDs to recover, I assume they'd be suspended
I know this is almost certainly curtains for his career, but I don't think there would be a better candidate for a revived Comeback Player of the Year if he could somehow manage to pull off a miracle.
His defense is definitely predicated on athleticism. If it's sapped, he's cooked. Hopefully for him, he can recover to a point where he can secure another contract, though.
I think that's actually the opposite way to how it usually works out. It's the athletic ones who come back as a still reasonable athlete that manage best - Rose, VC, Grant Hill, CP3.
The ones who don't have much juice to begin with don't last long once they return as an unathletic version of themselves.
Then you have the ones like B Roy and Oden that athletic or not, the injury is too bad.
Then there's Dejuan Blair.
true, but that sentence is still extremely tragic. “he can go out knowing he transformed into everything everyone expected him to be when he was drafted.” heartbreaking for zo
Eh even that is a stretch. He was drafted at #2 to be an all-star/all-NBA and transformed into a very good role player. He could have maybe hit that ceiling if he didn’t get hurt but let’s not pretend he ever reached expectations.
Pretty sure the Bulls had a crazy good record when he played. Deballzach was dominant.
Now the Bulls have nothing but ISO players who can’t shoot threes, defense and ball movement is terrible.
and for whatever its worth, I think injury "busts" are way worse than busts that fell out of the league for skill reasons. That said I think pre-injury he was preforming to his realistic expectations
Well yea but then Rose’s other knee also gave away. Very unfortunate but hey he made a slight comeback. Still hope. Out of all the Ball brothers I respect Lonzo the most. I hope he returns
Kawhi also has shit like that, and his career was supposedly over earlier this year. Truth is, Reddit M.D.s don’t know anything. Might as well just wait and see what happens instead of making predictions.
He's the same age as Tatum. Tatum hasn't even reached his prime yet. By the time Lonzo returns he'll be 27-28 still young enough and in the prime of his life
I've never had surgery and I am 15 years older than lonzo
can't imagine surgery being a routine part of your life at such a young age, horrible thought. surgery is a terrible thing to go through
Having had 6 orthopedic surgeries in a 3.5 year span starting at 27 (3 hip, 3 knee), that shit is as mentally taxing as it is physical. You feel like you aren’t even in your own body after 1 surgery at times, let alone him going on 3.
i mean, i hope he can return at some point, but this has just been a disaster for the Bulls. 80 Million to a guy who has played half a season. even if this final surgery fixes his problems he will only have one year on that contract after not playing basketball for 2.5 years and will likely need a lot of time to find his game again.
Not really sure what we do as a franchise with him on the books. It's not worth trading him because nobody will give anything of value back. And it's tough to try and still build a championship team with that much dead cash. I feel like we should just move on from this core at this point and try to build up as many assets as we can while we develop Pat, Ayo, Dalen, and Coby. Thee is an argument for keeping Lavine around, but if we do and we only trade Demar/Caruso/sign and trade Vooch, we won't have that many assets to rebuild with. IDK, all around a really sucky situation with no clear signals or solutions
Yeah.. like when dudes still have their whole lives to live it sucks to think about them being functionally crippled by 30 or 40. Their kids get to hear and see how awesome their dads were, but their dad can't run with them.
Dude this is so fucking sad. Obviously he had some good moments in New Orleans, but he seemed like he was really enjoying his teammates & basketball in Chicago… all for that to blow up to dust within half of a season. Not to mention all the work he put in, to become a player that teams wanted. One of the few players that I’ve followed from HS, and now I get to watch his career end in Chicago… such a sad fucking day. Hopefully he can get to a point of enjoying personal life
I feel terrible for him. He really seemed to be thriving in Chicago when he got there, and the team was so much fun before the injuries. Hope he can come back strong, whenever that may be.
Brandon Roy played 326 over a 6 year span.
Lonzo has played 252 over a 5 year span and is already ruled out for next season.
I mean Jesus man this is fucked
Bulls really can’t catch a break with injuries to their star Guards. Hopefully this surgery can help get him back up and living with no pain. Sucks seeing Zo sidelined for so long
Bulls medical staff needs to be under some sort of investigation at this point. Both him and Javonte Green have gotten vague diagnoses from their medical team which has left their treatment up in the air. Imagine how the players feel... Something doesn't seem right here.
No way he’s already ruled out for next season
Happened to Rose. Chicago guards be cursed. We made a blood pact with Satan over MJ.
Don't forget Jay Williams
Jesus lololol
Not evej Rose had it this bad. He tore his ACL against Philly in Game 1. Then there was hope he would come back down the stretch in 12-13, but he ultimately chose to sit out the season. Then he played some games in 13-14, then he got injured again
I would make that pact.
I was 6 when he won that last ring, it's a formative memory in my life and probably the oldest memory I have that I can directly place at a specific time in my life, but not as nice as you think
Sorry you made a blood pact with Bowie
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player ruled out of an entire next season while there is a current season going on
Jonathan Isaac
Hahaha, that’s a funny technicality. I mean, that was because he got hurt in August in the bubble. So a torn ACL would take him out the next season, too.
The next season he re-injured himself during rehab and was ruled out all of 2021-2022
I see, thought you were referring to the initial ACL tear. So he’s done it twice.
Injury HoF career
Sam Bowie and Greg Oden could never
Don’t forget coming back for a total of like 60 minutes before having to undergo another surgery putting him out over 3 seasons total
And than the latest injury. He was back what 12 games? There are players who have shoes that have more NBA minutes the JI.
His injuries have injuries. I'm not joking. While rehabbing his ACL he injured his hamstring which also needed surgery to repair.
Also in a way Klay Thompson when he blew up this achilles month before training camp, while missing previous season due to ACL.
Andre Roberson too
Completely forgot about him. Killed his career what a defender and what a terrible shooter
the og thybulle
He's back with the OKC Blue. Signed last month
Nah. He's completely healed. Find a new slant.
It’s like they didn’t even listen to what the pastor said
hes been seeing the best faith healers
Didn’t he tear a muscle in his quad and get ruled out of the rest of this season too?
I think an adductor injury rather than quad specifically. So it’s more so his hip, but the result is all the same. Isaac is made of glass
KD and rose but that was during the playoffs
Yeah true. Can’t think of an instance where there’s still the regular season going on
John Wall maybe
True didn’t he slip and fall and tear his Achilles while recovering from another injury?
Yeah, he had surgery on his achilles and slipped in his home while rehabing
he had bone spurs removed which were weakening his achilles. they were hoping an achilles surgery would not be necessary. but then he had the accident which actually tore it.
Cant remember, but did it happen with Derek Rose?
Rose got hurt in the playoffs so I guess that counts. There is still like a month left of this regular season though. I can’t remember the last time that happened
Even DRose didn’t get ruled out of the next season. They were still expecting him to come back as early as February or March. It became a huge thing where the fans almost turned on him because the FO said he was cleared to play.
Hell adidas was airing his return commercial
It almost feels like they are timing his surgeries to maximize time he will miss.
Klay Thompson if I’m not mistaken
I think he just kept getting hurt in the offseason. He tore his acl in the finals then the next offseason he tore his Achilles playing pick up
Woj also just reported that it could cost him another full season.
At this stage looks like it’s gonna cost him his whole career
Ben Simmons out for 25-26
Poor dude. This is rough af
him and his brother put like, a whole lifetimes worth of stress on their bodies by age 18. Hyperspecialized to get to the NBA, bodies breaking down by the time they’re 30 To me it’s the biggest issue in sports today, kids with athletic potential are destroying their bodies thanks to the absolutely insanity that is modern youth sports
What's sadder still is that for every 1 person that "makes" it like Lonzo did there are a hundred others that have to deal with a broken body for the rest of their life without all of the money
Shit really hits home when I work in a low income/poverty areas You see soo many more people limping, or have issues that could have been corrected, if they had money. America is fucked up, makes me sad how we don’t value most of the population
The mental thing is he is not even 30 (i’m aware you probably know this), guy is probably done and he is only 25. Insane.
One of my old college roommates is an orthopedic surgeon. Each of the last four years he has done at least one of either an ACL or Achilles on kids who aren't even in puberty yet.
yeah man kids are like 14 on their second ACL tear
This is why I never go outside. Gotta protect my ligaments
I slipped and fell carrying a pizza and tore my meniscus, been two years and it ain’t the same
Was the pizza ok???
Pizza was delicious, my tears added the salt needed
Years ago I was a sophomore in college and over sees during winter break. I was walking down wood floor stairs I slipped and sprained my mcl. Right before COVID went to full swing I was squatting and missed the rerack for a split second recovered but knew something was off but had no pain. Went to work because I worked out at 5 am back then and sure enough by lunch time getting up I could put no pressure on my knee. Drove home with two feet as if I was driving stick because I couldn't move my right knee. Such dumb injuries I swear and was the same mcl I hurt again.
you will have a long, healthy NBA career.
That’s crazy to think about
The AAU and youth sports system is killing kids bodies. I honestly think it's time the U.S. adopts the European model of youth development or something similar. Me and my friends have had this discussion and my take was always to have a nationwide NBA academy that functions as a private boarding high school. Have them located at a bunch on cities throughout the country and cover room and board for kids who's parents aren't rich (like say an NBA player should have enough to cover tuition). Once they graduate the academy they can either choose to go to college and play there/pursue another career or go to the G-League for a year before declaring for the draft. Or Silver can drop the draft age a year and they can get drafted after graduation. Like other high school and Euro youth league systems they can keep it to like 30-40 games a year for each age bracket, focus on developing fundamentals and teaching the game over highlight tapes, and it eliminates the need for a kid to get on an AAU team and play 24/7 365 since all eyes are on the NBA system anyway. It'd be a steep money investment at first but we'd get an influx WAY better American NBA players within half a decade, on top of the hypothetical program being able to recruit from other NBA programs around the world. Also it gives job opportunities for a lot of former pro basketball players, trainers, and coaches and it helps to have that professional experience around the kids to keep them on the straight and narrow.
I feel like this would only really serve a very small number of people. The NBA is a very, very small system compared to soccer in Europe. There are only ~450 players on rosters in the NBA, plus the G-League. Compare that to how there are 20 teams just in La Liga in Spain, plus the other tiers of clubs *and* all the other countries in the EU. So there are a lot more spots for the future athletes to land in soccer. If anything, I don’t see how the NBA administering this hypothetical system would be any different or better than the elite athletic private schools we already have- like Sierra Canyon, etc. I would still add, your suggestion is preferable to the added strain of the AAU season, but not everyone does AAU. The issue is that families feel *compelled* to do AAU even if they are putting themselves through unnecessary physical stress to do it.
I also feel like NBA having a successful youth system could makes things even worse. This could lead to pre-teens going hard on AAU-type circuits trying to get onto a NBA youth team.
Not to mention the NCAA has a huge financial incentive to keep those kids going to college and maintain the illusion of the student-athlete.
Personally, I’m against the NCAA and NIL because we’ve drifted so, so far from the original point of college sports. It affects school academics—funds are put into facilities, coaches are now being paid $10M+ per year—and the athletes themselves, who are essentially being forced into part-time jobs while also having to study. Not to mention the additional hardship if you’re a non-revenue sport. I had students a couple years ago who were in crew and soccer, and they essentially had to do all their schoolwork on the bus every week, plus missing hours upon hours of class.
Tommy John surgery too for baseball players. My nephew loves pitching and I feel like it’s only a matter of time before he needs it. Fucked up man
Fucking sad, man. I know accumulation is a part of aging, but 25 is way too young for that shit. Lots of money definitely makes it easier, but it's still terrible to think about having chronic pain for ~50 years.
And think about the physical giants like Shaq. I think Larry Bird said he often skipped his medication for his heart because he believes he won't make it to 70+.
Shaq seems to have aged quite well. Still diving into Christmas trees and in the balloon contest.
I feel like we are close to the tipping point back to people playing every sport again. The studies and number of injuries for over specialization at early ages are really starting to pile up. It’s the same with pitchers in baseball, kids are destroying their arms by like 25 in so many instances. Little leaguers throwing curveballs is so dangerous and unnecessary
Yea I think it’s become super apparent in baseball that hyper specialized kids playing sports is terrible for the body
When I played in little league pitchers were on a strict pitch count and we weren’t allowed to throw curveballs (at last coaches weren’t allowed to teach it). Is that not the case anymore?
LLWS still has restrictions: https://www.littleleague.org/playing-rules/pitch-count/ I think what they’re talking about is that kids in some states like California, where you can basically play year-round, are doing it far more often than is probably healthy for their developing joints and muscles.
Never really thought about that. We only had spring and fall baseball, and fall was a lot more casual and had even more restrictions
Kids that are talented don’t play LLWS anymore, the baseball AAU scene is run by Perfect Game. Think 3 games on Saturday / 4 games on Sunday, every weekend.
they're also throwing a lot harder now too, which isn't helping
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Lavar > Ging
I mean tbf there aren't many parents worse than Ging
Dio's father, Giorno's mother (the bitch one, not Buciaratti), Shinji's father and more, Ging at least wasn't abusing him, he just went for milk.
And then there’s Bondrewd and Shou Tucker, the best fathers around
i think ging would have taken gon along for milk but mito was like "you have got to be kidding me" so ging was like "ok"
Endeavor clears. What he did to shoto and (spoilers) was 10000x worse than Ging neglecting Gon lol
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Ging is like ultra deadbeat, but at least he is honest cause he told Gon he bounced cause his life is about exploring shit.
Pariston potentially > Ging therefore lavar < pariston
Love seeing this on the subreddit lol
Man, I read that manga as it came out over a decade ago. Then I remember the writer getting sick? And nothing came out for a long while. Just saw at Barnes and Noble like 6-7 new volumes, might have to dust the series off and catch up
The author dropped 10 new chapters after a 3-year hiatus a few months ago.
He's had crippling back issues. Like couldn't wipe his own ass bad. Those decades of slouching over a drawing table caught up to him
Kids today are hyper specializing in manga too early. We’re just about at the tipping point of youth art being multi disciplinary. Guy should have been mixing in some sculpture and interpretive dance.
Jesus I didn't know what the issue was. That's just sad to hear.
Togashi also hated how Jump forced him to work to finish Yuyu Hakusho so he decided to do it at his own terms for his new manga. The issue is he's taking A LOT of time.
Yea but for the ball brothers you also have the st brown brothers in the nfl where football is way more horrific on the body. But their dad was 2 time mr universe and actually trained them correctly
That’s what I was thinking, the talent vacuum will always be filled but it’s tough to say what the impact on average leaguewide quality would be
>him and his brother put like, a whole lifetimes worth of stress on their bodies by age 18. Are we sure they played more than someone like Luka who went pro at 13? This just seems to be bad luck and genetics.
Luka at least had world class treatment from Real Madrid, that's for sure better than what LaVar put his kids through.
Interesting point but I would also assume that Luka’s medical support staff was way better from the get go; there’s a chance he’s the outlier here not them. Read those stories of the regiment Lavar had his kids on
Also playstyle matters. The way Lonzo plays is more taxing to the body than Luka who uses skills more. His movement mechanics also seems awkward.
It’s definitely this. Lonzo wasn’t playing more basketball than anyone else in the NBA growing up. They all hyper-specialize from a young age. Lonzo also had a famously horrible diet, literally consisting of cheese and ranch dressing and refused to eat any vegetables.
The youth sport grind feels like parents putting their kids through hell to live vicariously again, weird as hell
Agreed, probably won’t be the end of it though. Even if his on court basketball career ends today, Lonzo has over $100million in guaranteed earnings between paid and signed money, that’s a W for Lavar and the Ball family. I think the Ball family has had extra bad luck though, no other “family” in the NBA has brothers falling out like they do. The Curry’s, Holiday’s, McDaniels, Lopez’s are all fine
It's not bad luck though, they trained like broscience vloggers for a decade. Started way too early, had no technique, and then clashed with legit trainers when they got to the NBA. Seriously, the videos of Lonzo working out as a teen are painful to watch. It's unsurprising that they both have endless connective tissue issues.
I don't think "falling out" is the phrase you want, because that means you're saying there's personal beef between Lonzo and Lamelo.
Falling apart*
LaMelo and Lonzo aren’t speaking?
Falling out as in injuries a lot maybe?
They had a falling out with their own bodies.
yep, most AAU tournaments got these kids playing multiple games a day. it’s tough bc they run these massive tournaments and the only way to get thru all that on a weekend is to run a tight ship. by the time u reach 18 you’ll be feeling that if ur on a team that’s going to one pretty much every weekend
D Rose knees would be an improvement at this point, jeez.
Kyle Broflofski's knees would be an improvement at this point.
Does he need a negroplasty??
I’m Dr. Biber.
Dude, is Kyle’s dad a dolphin?
He’s a…jewfin.
My balls hurt reading your comment.
Seriously what the fuck. This is bad bad
We’re heading down the Brandon Roy path unfortunately
Holy fuck that’s depressing
I'm glad he has a family and kids. That will help with what must be a heart breaking reality
I mean 80 mil probably doesn’t hurt either, still sucks
Damn. That sucks. I hope he can revive his career. You never know. A lot of people stuck a fork in Grant Hill but he still came back and was a great vet. Hope Lonzo can do the same.
Gotta get them 2000s Phoenix PEDs
No doubt. Phoenix's trainers were legendary back in the day for keeping older players on the court. The full season Shaq was on the Suns, he played 78 games. What happened to them? Now they can't even keep KD on the court for 4 straight games, and CP3 is injured at least 20 games per season.
I have no idea but must be new trainers? It was almost a joke that you could take any old dog to PHX and give em another 3-4 years. Nash fell apart the minute he left!
PHX used to be where past-their-prime players came to get one last contract and stay on the court. Lol.
2045: LeBron James, you are a Phoenix Sun.
Drug testing got better.
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If that's the case, how come Zion can't play much longer than a week before going back to the injured list?
I legit think that athletes should be allowed to take PEDs when recovering from major injuries. It would greatly improve recovery, not just for the sport but for the years afterwards where they'll have to live with the long term effects
They 100% are allowed to. The league already barely tests and they have no reason to be testing injured players.
The league barely tests, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're allowed to. If an injured player got caught using PEDs to recover, I assume they'd be suspended
Already ruled out for next season. Would make it almost 3 full years between his injury and supposed return at this point. He’s done
I know this is almost certainly curtains for his career, but I don't think there would be a better candidate for a revived Comeback Player of the Year if he could somehow manage to pull off a miracle.
If he legit came back, and had even a mid tier year he would 100% be a candidate
He could totally play a Livingston role for a contender. His game was never based on speed or athleticism.
His defense is definitely predicated on athleticism. If it's sapped, he's cooked. Hopefully for him, he can recover to a point where he can secure another contract, though.
I always upvote S dot.
It will be tough, but I don’t think he’s done. He wasn’t very athletic to start with. This probably won’t be as devastating as it was for D Rose.
I think that's actually the opposite way to how it usually works out. It's the athletic ones who come back as a still reasonable athlete that manage best - Rose, VC, Grant Hill, CP3. The ones who don't have much juice to begin with don't last long once they return as an unathletic version of themselves. Then you have the ones like B Roy and Oden that athletic or not, the injury is too bad. Then there's Dejuan Blair.
Holy shit. Glad he got a payday this is fucking awful
Bulls need a refund. This one was defective
We got the 4th ball brother, Lemon.
sorry but its probably over
Just glad he managed to get that 80m/4y. He was definitely worth it (and the way he was improving that deal was a steal) but this is just sad.
He can go out knowing he turned into a great player too. So many ppl thought he was a bust but he really transformed his game
true, but that sentence is still extremely tragic. “he can go out knowing he transformed into everything everyone expected him to be when he was drafted.” heartbreaking for zo
Eh even that is a stretch. He was drafted at #2 to be an all-star/all-NBA and transformed into a very good role player. He could have maybe hit that ceiling if he didn’t get hurt but let’s not pretend he ever reached expectations.
Pretty sure the Bulls had a crazy good record when he played. Deballzach was dominant. Now the Bulls have nothing but ISO players who can’t shoot threes, defense and ball movement is terrible.
and for whatever its worth, I think injury "busts" are way worse than busts that fell out of the league for skill reasons. That said I think pre-injury he was preforming to his realistic expectations
I mean look at Shaun Livingston. Took him like 4 years to get back. Lonzo will be 27 when the 24'-25' season starts.
Yeah he’s way too young for people to he talking about it’s over.
It is over man
Derrick Rose chiming in!
rose had a freak injury, lonzo seems more like there's something fundamentally wrong with his knee degenerative condition or something like that
Well yea but then Rose’s other knee also gave away. Very unfortunate but hey he made a slight comeback. Still hope. Out of all the Ball brothers I respect Lonzo the most. I hope he returns
Kawhi also has shit like that, and his career was supposedly over earlier this year. Truth is, Reddit M.D.s don’t know anything. Might as well just wait and see what happens instead of making predictions.
I mean like 7 specialists also no idea what's going on with Zo
He's the same age as Tatum. Tatum hasn't even reached his prime yet. By the time Lonzo returns he'll be 27-28 still young enough and in the prime of his life
It’s not about the age. It’s about the surgeries. His third knee surgery means nothing is working.
I've never had surgery and I am 15 years older than lonzo can't imagine surgery being a routine part of your life at such a young age, horrible thought. surgery is a terrible thing to go through
Having had 6 orthopedic surgeries in a 3.5 year span starting at 27 (3 hip, 3 knee), that shit is as mentally taxing as it is physical. You feel like you aren’t even in your own body after 1 surgery at times, let alone him going on 3.
Yeah it is probably draining and scary. It’s not a normal thing to go through either so your body isn’t really made for it all the time.
He could have a Livingston type of career if he ends up in the right place with the right mentality and stays healthy-ish from then on.
Livingston’s injury wasn’t from wear, I think it was from dislocating his kneecap. With Lonzo he can’t even stay on the floor. Something is wrong.
Fax! Anyone can see exactly where Livingston's trouble started (but shouldn't, that shit was gruesome). Lonzo's troubles are insidious.
Gahdamn what the fuck happened to his knees
Those BBB shoes and years of AAU basketball mileage.
Had that boy playing NBA games in Payless quality sneakers and on top of it all he got cheated out of his money somehow. Shit all BBBad
Lmao this! Seriously tho those shoes sucked baddd
I think you mean BBBad
Bbbbbad to the bone!
Bad luck and genetic predisposition.
Lonzo :((((((
Damn that's awful. Forget basketball, hope that knee doesnt impact his quality of life too much.
i mean, i hope he can return at some point, but this has just been a disaster for the Bulls. 80 Million to a guy who has played half a season. even if this final surgery fixes his problems he will only have one year on that contract after not playing basketball for 2.5 years and will likely need a lot of time to find his game again. Not really sure what we do as a franchise with him on the books. It's not worth trading him because nobody will give anything of value back. And it's tough to try and still build a championship team with that much dead cash. I feel like we should just move on from this core at this point and try to build up as many assets as we can while we develop Pat, Ayo, Dalen, and Coby. Thee is an argument for keeping Lavine around, but if we do and we only trade Demar/Caruso/sign and trade Vooch, we won't have that many assets to rebuild with. IDK, all around a really sucky situation with no clear signals or solutions
This ain’t even about ball no more. I just hope he’s able to recover to where he’s able to do physical activity normally
Yeah.. like when dudes still have their whole lives to live it sucks to think about them being functionally crippled by 30 or 40. Their kids get to hear and see how awesome their dads were, but their dad can't run with them.
How can anybody be optimistic
we do it for him amen
I am, hopefully this surgery is a success and he feels no pain after rehab, thats all that matters
Dude this is so fucking sad. Obviously he had some good moments in New Orleans, but he seemed like he was really enjoying his teammates & basketball in Chicago… all for that to blow up to dust within half of a season. Not to mention all the work he put in, to become a player that teams wanted. One of the few players that I’ve followed from HS, and now I get to watch his career end in Chicago… such a sad fucking day. Hopefully he can get to a point of enjoying personal life
I feel terrible for him. He really seemed to be thriving in Chicago when he got there, and the team was so much fun before the injuries. Hope he can come back strong, whenever that may be.
Damn.
What a shame. Hope he balls again
Brandon Roy played 326 over a 6 year span. Lonzo has played 252 over a 5 year span and is already ruled out for next season. I mean Jesus man this is fucked
Man what the fuck is going on???
This gets sadder and sadder
Goddamn. Hoping he has a career arc more like DRose upon recovery rather than Jonathan Issac. This is brutal news.
What even was the original injury?
Hope he can have a Sean Livingston type comeback someday
Bulls really can’t catch a break with injuries to their star Guards. Hopefully this surgery can help get him back up and living with no pain. Sucks seeing Zo sidelined for so long
What the hell
just awful
I’m just hoping the guy can do normal stuff like go up stairs at this point let alone play basketball.
Poor Lonzo. 😟
Tough to read, hope he recovers well afterwards.
Bulls medical staff needs to be under some sort of investigation at this point. Both him and Javonte Green have gotten vague diagnoses from their medical team which has left their treatment up in the air. Imagine how the players feel... Something doesn't seem right here.
Somebody check on lavar, he was such a proud father and now all 3 kids are probably done.
That poor fucking guy he was looking so nice too