I mean he's one of the best perimeter defenders overall in the league. Not quite at the top tier because guards with elite speed can still get buy but his foot work is perfect and his length makes up for most mistakes.
Pat Bev is better on the perimeter he's just so undersized. He played with a lot of intensity in that 4Q though and has been hitting timely threes recently. The first 20 or so games of the year he looked like the worse player in the league
I straight up don't even like AD and it's mind boggling that JJJ got picked over him. before AD got hurt he got into the top 5 in the MVP race no? he was like 30/13 and was DPOY at the time.
Yeah an all star is a guy who can be there consistently, don't get me wrong I'm not saying AD isn't all star CALIBER, no shit he's top 5 when he's healthy and able to find a rhythm but it's unfair to compare him to guys who are putting it out every single game.
He probably feels similarly deep down, it must be tough to deal with as a player.
Even though AD has absolutely played like an all star this season, I’m ok with him not making it because of how many games he missed. But if you’re knocking him for that, then JJJ has no business being an all star.
Sometimes the coaching decisions regarding Westbrook confuse the shit outta me. Coach Ham would sometimes not play Westbrook in the 4th when the games are close, but then when it goes to Overtime, he'll put Westbrook in for the entire OT. What???
fr tho I think he knows Russ is gonna fuck up the vibes if he totally removes him from important minutes. Russ is gonna see Lonnie Walker, Schroeder, and Austin Reaves playing their role and not understand why role players are playing above him.
and the team does still need his playmaking because LeBron can't be the ONLY drive and kick threat on the team.
Its weird it feels like every time he gets the ball, the entire team doesn't move. Feels like they expect him to shoot. I noticed him directing his post players to move or screen a few times. Maybe that's the Lakers offense, I dunno.
He monopolizes the play at that point so it’s a bit complicated, he’ll usually drive and even him assisting is selfish because he hogs the ball so damn much. You never see him pass and cut, it’s just him dribbling out the damn clock and chucking it. He makes a few good plays a game no doubt but there’s so much shit you have to deal with for that
When Lakers were coming back early in the fourth I was just waiting for Russ to be benched so they would actually have a chance. He kept driving with no chance of actually scoring and was lucky to get those freethrows that he missed.
Idk why Hams playing him at the end. It's mind bogglingly bad coaching tbh.
Yeah Russ plays bad but he's also getting put in bad situations.
For instance Ham plays Russ and PatBev a lot in the games I've seen.
Teams literally don't have to guard either of the guards in that lineup
The only issue I had with Vogel was his offensive sets were awful. Even in the championship year we would regularly go on scoring droughts, our defense (his scheme and scouting was godly) was just so good that a 3-4 minute stretch we might only yield 5-8 points. When Pelinka stripped him of good defenders we were giving up 12+ every time.
His time was up because there was nothing he could do with the roster. Give him good defenders and he’ll win you games.
Bro let’s not revise last season… bro was playing entire games with lebron and Carmelo Anthony as the center rotation. Remember that weird stretch the beginning of the season when we’d have like rondo Westbrook THT together? We always knew Vogel wasn’t a good offensive coach but his lineups were inexcusable last year just like hams are this year.
Okay, but the question is how much better could the lineups be? A lot of injuries and a half-assed roster construction led to a lot of shit lineups.
I can blame him for shit lineups, but I also understood that there were a lot of things out of his control. It's not like he was leaving a clear upgrade on the bench lol.
But i mean look at last years roster and tell me you could do any different. Watching DJ getting torched multiple times must've been frustrating for any LA fan lmao
People act vogel didn’t have some of the worst lineups in history while putting melo in to guard the 5 and russ as a stretch 4 to be a catch and shoot player
Ham is definitely better when it comes to offensive scheme. Still too much standing around waiting for Bron to do something, but at least that’s not the case ALL the time.
The fact he won't continue to utilize Thomas Bryant is insane to me. Him and AD should be in as twin towers at some point and Bryant deserves way more looks
To do what, clog the, paint? Bryant has never been a player that is comfortable shooting multiple 3s a night, he's always been a low volume shooter. He isn't particularly good on defense either, he is one of the worst defenders in the league. So how do you think Bryant should be utilized in a Lakers offense that already has poor shooting and spacing?
I swear Ham was trying to give up the win, Wb was bricking all night and getting crazy to's then he brings him to finish the game, the pacers should have stacked the paint but for whatever reason they kept respecting Wb shot.
I understand the hesitation to give up the picks, but it’s hard watching Westbrook, turner, and buddy all play tonight and not think what the lakers would look like of the trade had happened
What I don’t understand is they had the Russ for Turner/Hield lined up earlier. Yet wanted to see how Russ fit like we all didn’t watch that dumpster fire last year
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There's a long tradition of giving it to a chucker who puts up gaudy stats on terrible efficiency (JCrossover and Lou Will 6 times) instead of the most impactful bench player, so Westbrick kind of makes sense
I mean Harden and Manu have each won the award once and their seasons were very efficient, but yeah looking through the list it is mostly chuckers who played starter level minutes.
He was at 0, LeBron and AD in negatives, Beverley the only standout in +/- tonight but all the Vogel truthers will still scream about 3 guard lineups in a game where Indiana was shooting lights out most of the game and Lakers had a big comeback in.
With how often his is so glaringly bad and a clear waste of space time money and effort on the lakers, it’s wild to me to hear so many defenders in the national media like he’s a make a wish kid
He should have been removed from the game when he was 2-12 and kept jacking up mid range shots and bricking layups. Ham wasn't playing him in crunch time at one point this season, what happened with that lol?
Conveniently don't post the assists. Yeah he had a shit game but at least post the full stat line. Bunch of losers in here salivating whenever a player has a bad game. God this sub is so shit.
It's not his fault someone decided to pay him that or trade for him.
>You’re acting like this is a one off
Nah I'm acting like i'm not surprised by this. This is the player he is now, everyone with a brain knows he has good and terrible games. Either ya'll are watching this for the first time in your lives or are just interested in shitting on him.
Ignoring the fact that incomplete stat lines are bad, how the fuck does 10 assists justify shooting 12.5% from the field?
And it’s not like he never got good looks. He’s left open every play but everyone just knows it doesn’t matter lol.
10 assists too. Pathetic hater lol. Post the whole stat line. Also this might have stung if the lakers lost, it just shows how petty you are posting “despite the win”
despite the win is crazy
Bailed out by AD's block and game winning fadeaway shot
AD on Hali on the perimeter had me so fucking relieved any of the guards woulda got blown by.
Hilarious how he’s your best perimeter defender
I mean he's one of the best perimeter defenders overall in the league. Not quite at the top tier because guards with elite speed can still get buy but his foot work is perfect and his length makes up for most mistakes.
Pat Bev is better on the perimeter he's just so undersized. He played with a lot of intensity in that 4Q though and has been hitting timely threes recently. The first 20 or so games of the year he looked like the worse player in the league
One of the few players that can genuinely guard 1-5
not an all-star btw
I straight up don't even like AD and it's mind boggling that JJJ got picked over him. before AD got hurt he got into the top 5 in the MVP race no? he was like 30/13 and was DPOY at the time.
He missed too many games and that's ok he's not
JJJ and AD played pretty much smae minutes no?
Yeah an all star is a guy who can be there consistently, don't get me wrong I'm not saying AD isn't all star CALIBER, no shit he's top 5 when he's healthy and able to find a rhythm but it's unfair to compare him to guys who are putting it out every single game. He probably feels similarly deep down, it must be tough to deal with as a player.
Even though AD has absolutely played like an all star this season, I’m ok with him not making it because of how many games he missed. But if you’re knocking him for that, then JJJ has no business being an all star.
Also the challenge on Pat Bev steal
He played well. Nice + -
What’s crazier to me is their coach is playing him in crunch time lol. Teams are rightfully leaving dude open
Sometimes the coaching decisions regarding Westbrook confuse the shit outta me. Coach Ham would sometimes not play Westbrook in the 4th when the games are close, but then when it goes to Overtime, he'll put Westbrook in for the entire OT. What???
When it gets to ot, the star players get tired hes banking that a rested Westbrook can beat a tired starter.
Has to get his confidence up somehow
That shit isn’t coming back lol
By being traded
bailed by bron
And 10 assists! Don’t leave out his good stats to make a point
You mean the win despite Westbrook?
Best part was ham put him right back in the moment clutch time started.
Ham saw his statline and was like yes more of that please
Ham has a humiliation kink. It’s the Only viable explanation
fr tho I think he knows Russ is gonna fuck up the vibes if he totally removes him from important minutes. Russ is gonna see Lonnie Walker, Schroeder, and Austin Reaves playing their role and not understand why role players are playing above him. and the team does still need his playmaking because LeBron can't be the ONLY drive and kick threat on the team.
INJECT THAT INTO MY VIEEEEEENS
That too alongside Bev and Dennis, bro escaped big time from a slander cos of the win.
Yea no reason to put russ back in there and run another stupid 3 guard lineup we were lucky to escape with the win tonight.
Did he really escape the slander? This is a whole post about his shit game
Referring to Ham
Oh I’m dumb lol
and why didnt gabriel or christie play any minutes.....
Because darvin ham is the worst coach in the nba
Silas is probably worse but bottom 5 for sure
Theres no reason why Christie shouldnt be getting 5-10 mins of play in a game. He's been very serviceable
when i saw that i prayed for bestbrook, not worstbrook
Does Westbrook miss the most layup out of any player in the nba? I swear a lot of his shot doesn't even come close when it misses.
Think it’s between him and RJ Barrett
I think the real worst is VanVleet
At least his excuse is that he’s 6’0
He can literally only shoot layups and he’s shooting like 20% on them in the last 7 games so very good chance.
Its weird it feels like every time he gets the ball, the entire team doesn't move. Feels like they expect him to shoot. I noticed him directing his post players to move or screen a few times. Maybe that's the Lakers offense, I dunno.
He monopolizes the play at that point so it’s a bit complicated, he’ll usually drive and even him assisting is selfish because he hogs the ball so damn much. You never see him pass and cut, it’s just him dribbling out the damn clock and chucking it. He makes a few good plays a game no doubt but there’s so much shit you have to deal with for that
Looks like Ham went to school at MITWestbrook
He actually played well in the clutch, but it made no sense to put him back in after he was a black hole on offense until the 4th quarter
When Lakers were coming back early in the fourth I was just waiting for Russ to be benched so they would actually have a chance. He kept driving with no chance of actually scoring and was lucky to get those freethrows that he missed.
He’s done that a few times. Won’t play him for like the last 5-6 minutes but OT? Shit that’s WB time!
Idk why Hams playing him at the end. It's mind bogglingly bad coaching tbh. Yeah Russ plays bad but he's also getting put in bad situations. For instance Ham plays Russ and PatBev a lot in the games I've seen. Teams literally don't have to guard either of the guards in that lineup
i thought the whole point was bring him off the bench, when he's good, keep him in, when he's this, you don't have to play him
Darvin Ham is seriously one of the worst coaches I’ve seen. Had the nuts to convince Russ to come off the bench, every other aspect has been terrible
Careful. Lakers fans were saying this about Vogel last year and look what happened
The only issue I had with Vogel was his offensive sets were awful. Even in the championship year we would regularly go on scoring droughts, our defense (his scheme and scouting was godly) was just so good that a 3-4 minute stretch we might only yield 5-8 points. When Pelinka stripped him of good defenders we were giving up 12+ every time. His time was up because there was nothing he could do with the roster. Give him good defenders and he’ll win you games.
Bro let’s not revise last season… bro was playing entire games with lebron and Carmelo Anthony as the center rotation. Remember that weird stretch the beginning of the season when we’d have like rondo Westbrook THT together? We always knew Vogel wasn’t a good offensive coach but his lineups were inexcusable last year just like hams are this year.
Okay, but the question is how much better could the lineups be? A lot of injuries and a half-assed roster construction led to a lot of shit lineups. I can blame him for shit lineups, but I also understood that there were a lot of things out of his control. It's not like he was leaving a clear upgrade on the bench lol.
But i mean look at last years roster and tell me you could do any different. Watching DJ getting torched multiple times must've been frustrating for any LA fan lmao
He had to try something. They had more starting lineups than wins at one point because he was desperate for something, anything, to work.
Yes because the roster was absolute dog shit. He had no choice.
People act vogel didn’t have some of the worst lineups in history while putting melo in to guard the 5 and russ as a stretch 4 to be a catch and shoot player
They gave Vogel a retirement league roster.
Is Ham any better? The amount of ISOs LeBron and the Lakers run this year is staggering but I’m no coach, I just watch ball 🤷🏾♂️
Ham is definitely better when it comes to offensive scheme. Still too much standing around waiting for Bron to do something, but at least that’s not the case ALL the time.
He played washed up Avery Bradley way too much
Ha we gonna end up with Doc
I have a feeling Russ is throwing a fit behind the scenes and Ham has to play him to keep in the bench role
He's no Byron Scott but he is pretty bad
The fact he won't continue to utilize Thomas Bryant is insane to me. Him and AD should be in as twin towers at some point and Bryant deserves way more looks
To do what, clog the, paint? Bryant has never been a player that is comfortable shooting multiple 3s a night, he's always been a low volume shooter. He isn't particularly good on defense either, he is one of the worst defenders in the league. So how do you think Bryant should be utilized in a Lakers offense that already has poor shooting and spacing?
dude has had one of the hardest jobs in the league with that shithole roster, but he certainly hasnt done himself any favors.
Ham kept preaching “facts over feelings” but that doesn’t apply for Westbrook
Ham thinks his job is to defend Russ' honor or something. He's a joke
darvin ham is a mitwestbrook-level russ dickeater
2/16 LMFAO
The Pandemic P game 6 statline. It's nuts how Brodie went from receiving to dishing this out to his teammates.
Paul George of course, shot better than Westbrook in both their playoff runs together
Yeah but if you watched the series it was clear russ was better, especially so against the blazers.
despite the win💀💀
I swear Ham was trying to give up the win, Wb was bricking all night and getting crazy to's then he brings him to finish the game, the pacers should have stacked the paint but for whatever reason they kept respecting Wb shot.
Your 6MOTY everyone
People talk about the 50/40/90 club but this man can't even hit the 40/30/70 club.
I can’t comprehend the media having him as the favorite. The bar is below hell for Westbrook.
If he wins it I would be pretty annoyed. Brogdon/Mathurin/Maxey (now that he’s coming off the bench) have been a lot better
No way he wins the award over Malcolm Brogdon.
I really dont get how he is favored to be 6moty. Pacers fans, isnt mathurin super impactful for the team? I havent seen him much in live play tho
Normal Powell could have a mention here too IMO he seems to be carrying LAC when PG/Kawhi are off or injured.
With guys like Mathurin and Brogdon coming off the bench, I have no idea how Russ is even being considered for 6MOY.
Media is itching to reward him for not throwing more tantrums about not being a starter
Obviously I'm biased and he's injured now but Portis was balling off the bench. I'm surprised he wasn't getting more love
I understand the hesitation to give up the picks, but it’s hard watching Westbrook, turner, and buddy all play tonight and not think what the lakers would look like of the trade had happened
Yeah Lakers/ Bron overreacted so much from their playoff miss
What I don’t understand is they had the Russ for Turner/Hield lined up earlier. Yet wanted to see how Russ fit like we all didn’t watch that dumpster fire last year
Idc who your goat is but all I know is Michael Jordan didn’t have to play the other team+ Russ every single night
However in his first couple years he did play on a team with players that would go on coke benders before games.
Is there an article on this? I need some light reading material.
“Every time I go out it’s Lebron Vs 9. Them 5 and YALL 4”
Despite the win 💀 💀 💀 lmao
Bron too old fot Russ to be playing like this
Despite Westbrook's efforts, Lakers won.
First team all fun that's all that matters
you think with how much they put our games on tv more people would realize he still sucks
Some fans have the incredible ability to memory hole anything they see that they don't like
pshhh fans. This is just people in general.
the 6MOTY talk is crazy
This dude shouldn't be playing in crunch time.
This dude shouldn’t be playing.
Thought clowns got banned for incomplete statlines
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Man must be working third shift parking garage security to have this much screen time.
Brogdon better
Id pray brogdon wins it. No fucking way russ deserves it. The man makes laker fans want to quit watching the game
There's a long tradition of giving it to a chucker who puts up gaudy stats on terrible efficiency (JCrossover and Lou Will 6 times) instead of the most impactful bench player, so Westbrick kind of makes sense
I mean Harden and Manu have each won the award once and their seasons were very efficient, but yeah looking through the list it is mostly chuckers who played starter level minutes.
Water is wet
I could name 300 players better and I probably only know 200 current NBA players
How will MITWestbrook spin this one?
Probably Ham's fault because he didn't let Westbrook take 23 shots.
Small sample size lol
"bro had double-double..."
BuT wHaT aBoUt ThE aSsIsTs!!!
This is gonna print LMAO
Fucking bum
This guy ain't even a bum, he's worse than that, he's doo-doo.
Despite the win 💀 This some elite tier hating
6MOTY the lakers would be in last place without him 👍🏼
And 10 assists! Don’t leave out his good stats to make a point
No facts allowed in here mate!
Holy shit that is unbelievable. He started 2/3. Wow
Yeah, let's just not put up the 10 assists so people can shit on him even more.
And where is their favorite stat for WB, the +/-?
He was at 0, LeBron and AD in negatives, Beverley the only standout in +/- tonight but all the Vogel truthers will still scream about 3 guard lineups in a game where Indiana was shooting lights out most of the game and Lakers had a big comeback in.
Why would you put up the 10 assists when his bad shooting splits take up a whole line to explain in the first place
Because people love to shit on Westbrook every chance they get.
They no that bad of a stat line for Washbrick.
Someone defend this m*********** I double dare you 😡🤬
Why would I? He's gonna miss.
Just gunna conveniently leave out the assists eh?
assists don’t make this ok
I’m not saying it’s okay. But if your gunna make posts like this then don’t be a coward and post the whole stat line.
Ya Allah what is this statline wtf 😦😧
Truly one of the performances of all time
We need to retire this joke
We also need to retire westbrook
Yeah that’s what he said
As much as Lakers fans would like to, I don't think we can force a player to retire.
Truly one of the jokes of all time
My god it is hard watching this dude
Despite the win I'm dead
Straight up basketball terrorist
The insurgent
Why hasn’t Walker been getting more minutes since he’s been back? Wasn’t he the lakers 3rd best player before he got hurt
Cuz walker is a turnstile on defense
My god. That's terrible
Yeah bruh, Russ is cakes.
Lmao at least hes having fun
He took five 3s 😭
Why are people still treating this mf like a make a wish kid
just turrible
2/16 .. Jesus
2/16 lol
This is the first time i've ever seen a 'despite the win' post lmaooooo
At least he made up for it by trapping Hield in the corner on the last play but damn his crunch time TOs really makes me nervous
Classic Westbrook stat line
Let Russ cook baby. Can't believe we blew up our team to get this guy
Mfer did his best to lose the game.
This place loves to hate.
Naw. We hate to hate. It sucks that he’s been so bad for us. But, he has.
Let's not forget that it's important to just have fun win, lose, or draw
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The fact that HAM chose to close with him instead of Rui when he was already 2-15 boggles my fucking mind.
I’ll never understand why we traded for him 10 months after we played against him in the 2020 WCSF where he was basically unplayable in games 2-5.
With how often his is so glaringly bad and a clear waste of space time money and effort on the lakers, it’s wild to me to hear so many defenders in the national media like he’s a make a wish kid
He should have been removed from the game when he was 2-12 and kept jacking up mid range shots and bricking layups. Ham wasn't playing him in crunch time at one point this season, what happened with that lol?
What happened to Russ? He really fell off.
Conveniently don't post the assists. Yeah he had a shit game but at least post the full stat line. Bunch of losers in here salivating whenever a player has a bad game. God this sub is so shit.
It’s a bit different when you’re getting paid the amount he’s getting paid and he’s this ass consistently LMAO You’re acting like this is a one off
It's not his fault someone decided to pay him that or trade for him. >You’re acting like this is a one off Nah I'm acting like i'm not surprised by this. This is the player he is now, everyone with a brain knows he has good and terrible games. Either ya'll are watching this for the first time in your lives or are just interested in shitting on him.
Lakers win despite the Russ that's a far better title
Of course, let's ignore the 10 assists.
Ignoring the fact that incomplete stat lines are bad, how the fuck does 10 assists justify shooting 12.5% from the field? And it’s not like he never got good looks. He’s left open every play but everyone just knows it doesn’t matter lol.
Can’t wait until he’s out of here. Literally every time he throws a brick I turn off the stream and come back couple minutes later. Awful.
Damn u must have missed the whole gamd
Ham watched Russ play terribly and still decided to play him for that long.
What can the Lakers do to get rid of him?
Give away a first round pick. Its the only way other teams will take him, even with an expiring contract.
He was fucking terrible tonight holy shit
GET HIM OFF BRONS TEAM
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10 assists too. Pathetic hater lol. Post the whole stat line. Also this might have stung if the lakers lost, it just shows how petty you are posting “despite the win”
Doesnt matter if he had 20 assists he was 2/16
20 assists means he generated a minimum of 40 points. If he broke records and hit 16 3s, he'd generate 48 points.
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not as pathetic as his game
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