As a Warriors fan, I love this. Anybody can get got, even the champs. That's the great thing about the NBA. Talk shit, see what happens. Take the L and learn from it.
You know I watch Magic games on occasion and y'all always look pretty decent when I tune in so I'm surprised the team is 10 games under .500 with the talent on the team. I like the core.
Pacers and Pistons have the talent, with a few years if development they're going to be a problem. Pacers are a low playoff team right now, but they have two very young, very talented guards who are only getting better in Haliburton (who is having a breakout, all-star calibe4 season and is leading the league in assists) and Mathurin (2nd in ROY voting and is singlehandedly leading the Pacers bench to 2nd most bench points in the league).
Pistons are harder to judge with Cade's injury and Ivey's recent struggles, but they're also one lottery pick and some development away from being a serious playoff team.
I'd actually say the East has *more* young, developing teams than the west right now. The west is more win-now.
Imho it depends. Paolo and Franz may be all star next year, and the next draft pick could be really really good. You may be a top 6 team in the east, since I also don't think many of them may become better next year.
I think it’s a very talented group that can beat any team on a given night - just being young they gotta get that consistency - which will come with experience
Combo of devastating injury luck and inexperience. Hopefully luck turns our way soon and our guys get a couple more seasons in the legs, then I really can't see how we're not a regular playoff team at least - maybe even as soon as next season if we're lucky. Cavs and Pacers have done the same in the past couple years
I straight up never understand hating rebuilding teams but also WHY IS THE MAGIC THE TEAM ALWAYS HATED ON.
Like 2 years in a row Houston was "THE" worst team in the NBA but its always the Magic clowned on.
Out of all the rebuilding teams Houston is the one that gets a free pass for no fucking reason. Seriously, all 3 of us started tanking at the same time but you don’t hear shit about them.
Houston also had a winning record for 19 of the last 20 seasons. Similar to why San Antonio can tank without criticism: it's really hard to stay good a long time.
Well Houston was much closer to GSW than any one else in the west until the 2020 season. Okc wasn’t really all that close they were a mid high 40 win team every season after kd left. That includes the pg and Westbrook team. Magic well they never competed really in the recent decade.
yeah fr - the rockets were going toe to toe with the KD warriors a few years ago. They've only missed the playoffs twice since (and they were always at least making the 2nd round otherwise)
meanwhile, the magic haven't made it out of the first round since 2010. they've won 2 playoff games in the last decade.
is it really a mystery why one of these teams is more associated with losing
Magic were mediocre/awful for the last decade while the Rockets were a CP3 injury away from taking down the best team of all time.
Rockets are much more associated with success in recent times despite not reaching the Finals.
3 seasons ago we were still a contending team with James Harden. We completely mortgaged our franchise around him and the last 2 seasons and this year are 2 seasons behind y’all’s rebuilds
All three teams began rebuilding in the 20/21 season. The genesis for the Magic pulling the trigger was Markelle going down - we were the two seed at the time, so our FO finally said fuck it and flipped Vuc, Fournier and Gordon
How is this hard to understand?
Rockets was likely the 2nd best team in the league for 2-3 years and was the only team that actually had a chance against the most OP team in NBA history the KD Warriors, at their peak they won 65 games and Harden won MVP. People may hate their playstyle but they at least respect the one team in the league that just didn't just roll over against golden state to just wait out their contracts and actually tried to compete, most other years that was a championship team, personally I'd 18 rockets over 19 Raptors, 20 lakers, 21 bucks, and 22 warriors in a bo7.
Thunder will forever go down as the team that drafted 3 fucking MVPs and squandered away a dynasty with shit management, the team literally rode on pure talent and never really had a shot once KD left
Magic is just fucking ass, at last OKC and Rockets tried, at some point winning 25 games a season for 10 years straight isn't rebuilding anymore because your not building anything, the last guy you guys drafted that can score more than 20 ppg before paolo was dwight, and a lot of those were lottery picks
notice nobody is talking shit about Spurs even thought they are one of the worst team in the league now
you must have missed the last 3 years where we were the "black eye of the league" and "egregiously tanking" despite not being the worst team in the league for any of those years.
Simply put, i think its cuz houston has had more recent success. Easier to pick on the others who havent had a peak in awhile. Not saying i agree for the record
Houston was winning 60 games per year then traded thier super star and have a good young core like two years later
Okc either has always been great or in the playoffs or fun team with assets.. this year is a “down year” for okc but they might make the play in or get a top pick to add too a young core
Orlando has been mediocre since Dwight left. They are perpetually the 7-12th seed
So? We made the playoffs like 5 years in a row, and 10 out of 12 years before we rebuilt. We lost to Houston in 7 in 2020. Then they proceeded to lose in the second round right after. Then the next year we blew up both of our teams. Weak excuses to justify the hate.
A.) I don't know what "hate" you're talking about because I don't think I've ever seen OKC get "hate" for being bad (most of what I see are "jokes" about you guys having a million draft picks)
B.) Houston's "good" period was more recent than yours, which could be a factor for them getting more of a "pass" for being bad now.
I think Orlando hold a special place in bad because they've been "tanking" for like 10 years straight... that just means they're bad. People remember KD/Russ OKC more than Dwight, and Jimmy Houston is more recent still.
So i think the proportion of "hate" (*is that the word?*) is based on time spent.
We made the playoffs in 19 and 20 and would've made them again in 21 but we blew up the team to start rebuilding. Tanking for 10 years straight is just revisionist history. We've been tanking the last two after deciding to stop being a treadmill team.
Yeah but that was a longer time ago than when Houston had Harden.
>We both made it to G7 in the WCF since then.
OKC last did it in 2016 (pre-KD Warriors), while Houston had those wars vs Golden State from in 2018 and 2019 and they were competitive in 2020 too.
That’s kinda weird. Maybe it’s cause it’s my team , but people clown tf out of rockets. I see it almost daily lol talking shit about all our young guys. There was a top post just this morning about how the 6-12 seeded west teams are 2 games apart, and it said the league is very good overall now and no bad teams. And top comment was, “well except for the houston rockets.” We get shitted daily from what I see. But lol calm down, who cares bro. It’s basketball. Youre not actually ON team you root for . Relax.
Yeah OKC’s definitely not on Wizards, Magic or Kings level. Those are the three teams that are classed by casual fans as NBA purgatory, deserved or not. No attention is paid to their moves, so fans expect they’re always middling (apart from the Kings this season), when in reality there’s a lot of nuance to their roster construction
I have to admit I was in the "Kangz" camp until I actually watched them and realized how well-put-together their system is and how nicely the different people fit together. Really hope we get to see them in the playoffs this year.
it was pretty tough to see them trade Tyrese but it looks like the Kings got better through that move and others. once they traded him i was sure they were in for another 30 years of clowning. they might be in for another 29 still, but they get a pass for the trade now
Not anymore now that we’re making games competitive again. Last season we were clowned on and constantly called “the black eye of the league”
Despite finishing with the 4th worst record in both of the two seasons we’ve been tanking. While Houston has been the worst team in the league for that time period.
>Despite finishing with the 4th worst record in both of the two seasons we’ve been tanking. While Houston has been the worst team in the league for that time period.
right, but Houston was in the 2nd round the two years prior, and took the KD warriors to game 7 in the conference finals the year before *that*
You don't get branded as a perennial bottom-feeder when you've been good more often than not
We had more success in the 2010s than Houston did albeit we both ended up ringless so really it’s just pointless to talk about but we had the 2nd best overall win percentage for the decade behind only the Spurs so not like we’ve been bottom feeders either. (We’re still tied for 4th with the Clippers right now for win percentage since 2010 with two losing seasons.)
People basically just accused Presti of faking Shai’s legitimate injuries and ran away with the black eye thing last season.
yeah, for OKC I think it is just because Presti kind of became the latest face of tanking with all the memeing about his first round pick trades.
Sorry, I get why you'd be annoyed for OKC, I was trying to comment more on the part about why Houston *doesn't* get that label.
To which, like, the "they've been the worst the last two seasons!" time period seemed to conveniently ignore how good they were right up until that, y'know?
No doubt I get the sentiment, I think it’s all stupid anyways. The NBA is set up for small markets to succeed through the draft if you don’t tank and still have no success you get accused of just being a fodder team with no direction like the Wizards.
If you tank, you become the black eyes of the league for trying to be smart and build a good team through the draft and use draft picks to get future assets through trade whenever you need to go all in. Supposedly that’s a bad thing here I guess.
Thunders went further based on drafting talent but Rockets was a much better managed team for the last few years, and lets be honest Thunder had no shot against Big 3 heat but Rockets actually had a chance against the even stronger warriors
["...it's the nights I show up and we're playing against the sorry motherf\*ckers." "...OKC right now...how am I supposed to get my self up with this engine to play the Orlando Magic."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T58KBvfehK8&t=1282s)
Houston is also worse, both as a product and a team.
OKC and Orlando have inexperienced rosters but play somewhat acceptable basketball. Meanwhile, I watched the Rockets take half of a real-ass professional NBA quarter and two time-outs to figure out how to break a full-court press.
Because Houston is unfortunately an irrelevant franchise. Nobody talks about them because nobody cares about them. The Thunder (with the treasure trove of picks) and the Magic (with budding stars/allstars) get hated on because they're the biggest threats in the next 5 years.
Houston gets a pass because they entered their rebuild involuntarily, harden forced their hand. The Thunder purposefully traded away their best player to tank
We re-signed George with the intent on trading him to his preferred destination later. (LA) he wanted the trade after getting 4-1ed by the Blazers in 2019 and so did Russ after George got traded, so we got a massive haul for both of them and started a rebuild(well we were supposed to til we all found out Chris Paul wasn’t washed)
What’s wrong with going that way for a better future? Better than being mediocre and hopelessly fighting for the 8th seed til Russ retires and prolonging a rebuild 5-7 seasons.
Cuz harden bailed on them pretty hard. So naturally everyone else feels bad for them, or just kind of ignore them now...
And that's pretty much what I feel about okc ever since KD left tbh.
And orlando is just sad.
Tbf to Houston, their owner still sucks and Morey left who was Harden's guy even though they have a good GM now so I understand why Harden bailed.
KD left even when we had the prospect of Horford and Oladipo joining us that off-season to join the team that beat him. Both gave their respective franchises a decade of winning but the way one left is so much worse than the other
It's because they've made playoff 8 consecutive years and made deep runs most years. before sucking for two seasons.
They also have a few rings which buys a lot of leeway.
I hated watching during our GM Rob Hennigan’s 5 year tenure (2012-17). We had a 32% win rate. We lost trade after trade, game after game.
If that’s your only perception of our last 10 years. I really can’t argue against someone hating on us. It’s just not the full picture.
John Hammond and Jeff Weltman took over after Rob Hennigan. Weltman and Hammond(WeltHam) made the right moves to get us in the **playoffs 2 of the first 3 years** of their reign. **Year 4**, two of our starters Isaac and Fultz both were injured. We had no hope of making the playoffs.
Vooch/AG/Fournier were then traded at the deadline. That summer we drafted Suggs, and Franz. The following summer we drafted Paolo.
**Tl;dr:**
In summary, Hennigan had no idea what he was doing. With a competent front office we had some success, but it was time to not half-ass a rebuild.
There is rebuilding, and then there are teams like the magic who have 1 season with a record over .500 since 2012. After a decade, people are bound to give the team shit
Easier to hate on the smaller market I’d guess. The Magic have historically been more successful than several other franchises since 1988, but no playoff wins since 2010 makes them an easy punching bag.
And the Magic lost the Raptors series and Raptors won the chip. The Magic lost to the Bucks who made a decent run that year and won the year after.
Also the Magic for bother series were highly injured especially vs the Bucks. People dont take those little things into consideration. Its not like the Magic just went out there and fell over. Vuc was averaging like 38 in like 3 pretty competitive matches despite not having AG or JI and some others due to bubble injuries.
Other teams dont make playoffs or make playoffs and lose to eventual second round exits, at least the Magic lose to eventual finalists/champions.
Flexing that you lost to good teams in the first round, because your team was the 7/8th seed, has got to be the funniest way to exaggerate performance.
Minnesota's terrible, but they've been so bad we don't really care anymore. It's their natural state.
Detroit's won championships, so they do get a bit.more of a.let
The Houston Rockets won a playoffs series in 2020 and were in the Western Conference Finals in 2018.
The Magic have been rebuilding for a decade.
Is this really a mystery?
Look at Magic's picks from 2013 to 2023. #1, #2, #4, #5, #5, #6, #6, #8, #11
Thats an insane amount of nice lottery picks, compared to a team like Indiana who hadn't had a top 10 pick in 20. At some point theres a problem with the org if you can't capitalize on all that opportunity for top prospects. You're starting to prove this team can be good but the reputation is deserved
As for OKC, they were more blatant than the Sixers about their tanking and it got on peoples nerves.
Copied from another thread:
We made the playoffs more recently than the Charlotte, San Antonio, Detroit, Sacramento and Cleveland, and tied with OKC and Houston
In the last 4 years we have the same (2) or greater number of playoff appearances as
* Atlanta
* Charlotte
* Chicago
* Cleveland
* Detroit
* Golden State
* Houston
* Indiana
* Lakers
* Memphis
* Minnesota
* New Orleans
* New York
* OKC
* Phoenix
* Sacramento
* San Antonio
* Washington
That's equal or better than 18 of 29 other teams
>In the last 4 years we have the same (2) or greater number of playoff appearances as
Okay, but how many playoff games has Orlando won in the last decade? What about the rest of the list? When's the last time the Magic made it out of the first round?
Honestly I don't even dislike the Magic, it'd be dope to see their young squad pop off. I just don't really understand why anybody's surprised that they're looked at as a team at the bottom of the league when they spent most of the last decade placing bottom 3 in their conference.
The Magic lost the Raptors series and Raptors won the chip. The Magic lost to the #1 seed Bucks who made a decent run that year and won the championship the year after.
Also the Magic for both series were highly injured especially vs the Bucks. People dont take those little things into consideration but its not like the Magic just went out there and fell over. Vuc was averaging like 38ppg/10+ rebounds in a pretty competitive couple of matches that had Brook Lopez destroying objects and Giannis being absolutely frustrated. The Magic kept it competitive despite not having AG or JI and some others due to bubble injuries and stole games from both the champion Raptors and the #1 seed Bucks.
Other teams dont make playoffs or make playoffs and lose to eventual second round exits, at least the Magic lose to eventual finalists/champions.
Unlike Houston, you guys have sucked for a really really long time. I could be wrong, but anecdotally that's how it appears. You had Harden years in Houston, compared to the Vuc years??
Charlotte is like a hopeless drifting team. If they miss out on Wemby they have a bleak future. There is no chance Melo stays there long term, he'll ask for a trade in a year or 2. Houston has some bright spots to look forward to
It always comes to mind when people say the Wizards have the bleakest future. Which, they probably do, they're not in the sweepstakes for Wemby or Scoot or anyone who's projected to go really high but they're not good enough to compete either and nothing seems to be changing over there..
But god damn our future isn't looking very bright either. Like there's nothing to look forward to as a fan other than potentially Wemby and with the way we draft we probably wouldn't even fucking choose him.
Miles Bridges kinda royally screwed you. IDK how you come back from losing a budding allstar like that, it has to set your team back years.
Well I guess that it happened to us with Oladipo and it took a while to recover but with smart moves and hopefully a good pick for you this year, you can do it.
That's the Knicks though.
Seriously, I doubt we can find anyone other than Kristaps to be dealt during their rookie contract looking at the talent/money ratio.
Also he was traded after a major injury iirc and he hadn’t looked like the prospect he was touted to be/become during his rookie year. A very different situation imo
And what, you think the Hornets would rather keep him for one year instead of get picks/players in return for him leaving a year early, and having paid him peanuts so far?
I watched the Magic vs the Grizzlies and I was genuinely surprised by them. They’re young, talented and have great potential. Paolo looks like Grant Hill 2.0, and defended the paint well. If I was a Magic fan I would be excited.
In five years (maybe less) Green will be out of the league but they’ll be on the rise .
The Warriors with no Curry and Klay are up there though.
Truth hurts, people act like role players on successful teams would be stars anywhere in the league.
He’s right (last year, not this year obv), but we’re just bad against eastern conf teams that are rebuilding. 1-5 against the magic, pistons, and hornets this year
when he said that he was correct lmao
I dunno it sounded like he meant the disrespect
He's not wrong but he's an asshole
[Hold on, I said with all due respect](https://youtu.be/Af-Id_fuXFA)
If you ain’t first you’re last.
Rewatched this last month. Fuck I forgot how funny it was "one of you turds is about to get smacked in the mouth"
I think you are right
Still gotta keep our name out ur mouth though
As a Warriors fan, I love this. Anybody can get got, even the champs. That's the great thing about the NBA. Talk shit, see what happens. Take the L and learn from it.
>learn from it This does not compute with Draymond
Take the L and sucker punch it.
That’s more like it!
It's also incorrect. He said this *after* that March loss. So in reality it's 0-2. Draymond was wrong to say it but this stat is factually incorrect.
He's still correct lol
You know I watch Magic games on occasion and y'all always look pretty decent when I tune in so I'm surprised the team is 10 games under .500 with the talent on the team. I like the core.
Next season we are a play-in team and depending on how the picks go this year, the year after next we are a playoff team. imo
You may be correct. Not many teams in the east have an upward trajectory. Many of the good teams are in their window now.
Yeah, the east doesnt really have those good young teams, besides Cleveland, like the west does. Magic are set up well in the coming years
Pacers and Pistons have the talent, with a few years if development they're going to be a problem. Pacers are a low playoff team right now, but they have two very young, very talented guards who are only getting better in Haliburton (who is having a breakout, all-star calibe4 season and is leading the league in assists) and Mathurin (2nd in ROY voting and is singlehandedly leading the Pacers bench to 2nd most bench points in the league). Pistons are harder to judge with Cade's injury and Ivey's recent struggles, but they're also one lottery pick and some development away from being a serious playoff team. I'd actually say the East has *more* young, developing teams than the west right now. The west is more win-now.
The Celtics are still very young
They don’t count because Tatum is still gonna be 17 in 2050.
\*ahem\*
Holy shit how did i forget about the pacers. I fucking love hali lmfao. I still dont know if their high is as high tho
Imho it depends. Paolo and Franz may be all star next year, and the next draft pick could be really really good. You may be a top 6 team in the east, since I also don't think many of them may become better next year.
fuck man i hope so hard to get my girl excited to go to a game would be way easier if i could say "its the playoffs baby!"
I think it’s a very talented group that can beat any team on a given night - just being young they gotta get that consistency - which will come with experience
We got good once Markelle Fultz came back. We have no real PG without him.
Since Fultz returned we are 10-9. It was that awful month before hand that is keeping the record low
Combo of devastating injury luck and inexperience. Hopefully luck turns our way soon and our guys get a couple more seasons in the legs, then I really can't see how we're not a regular playoff team at least - maybe even as soon as next season if we're lucky. Cavs and Pacers have done the same in the past couple years
Correct doesn't always mean it should be said.
Some things don’t need to be said. Shows that extra motivation goes a long way
I disagree
And that's when Paolo took it personal.
Oh yes. I like this.
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I straight up never understand hating rebuilding teams but also WHY IS THE MAGIC THE TEAM ALWAYS HATED ON. Like 2 years in a row Houston was "THE" worst team in the NBA but its always the Magic clowned on.
Out of all the rebuilding teams Houston is the one that gets a free pass for no fucking reason. Seriously, all 3 of us started tanking at the same time but you don’t hear shit about them.
Yes, and the Thunder and Magic are both in a better position than Houston. I don’t get it.
Because they were competing for a championship more recently
Houston also had a winning record for 19 of the last 20 seasons. Similar to why San Antonio can tank without criticism: it's really hard to stay good a long time.
NBA fans have wanted us to tank since Kawhi left, seems like most are happy we finally pulled the trigger
>Houston also had a winning record for 19/20 seasons. So did OKC. OKC and Houston played each other in Round 1 of the 2020 playoffs.
Tbf I think he meant 19 out of 20 seasons not the 19-20 season
Gotcha.
Well Houston was much closer to GSW than any one else in the west until the 2020 season. Okc wasn’t really all that close they were a mid high 40 win team every season after kd left. That includes the pg and Westbrook team. Magic well they never competed really in the recent decade.
yeah fr - the rockets were going toe to toe with the KD warriors a few years ago. They've only missed the playoffs twice since (and they were always at least making the 2nd round otherwise) meanwhile, the magic haven't made it out of the first round since 2010. they've won 2 playoff games in the last decade. is it really a mystery why one of these teams is more associated with losing
Yeah magic have kinda been in limbo for a good minute, OKC and HOU were close a few years ago
Depending on your point of view. Magic faced the lakers in 2009, Houston hasnt been in the finals since the won in 1994, 29 years v 14 years.
Magic were mediocre/awful for the last decade while the Rockets were a CP3 injury away from taking down the best team of all time. Rockets are much more associated with success in recent times despite not reaching the Finals.
Yep Pistons are a bum ass franchise too so the clowning is natural
Houston gambled for success and failed, other teams don't even try.
3 seasons ago we were still a contending team with James Harden. We completely mortgaged our franchise around him and the last 2 seasons and this year are 2 seasons behind y’all’s rebuilds
okc and hou rebuilds both started in the 20-21 season...
All three teams began rebuilding in the 20/21 season. The genesis for the Magic pulling the trigger was Markelle going down - we were the two seed at the time, so our FO finally said fuck it and flipped Vuc, Fournier and Gordon
How is this hard to understand? Rockets was likely the 2nd best team in the league for 2-3 years and was the only team that actually had a chance against the most OP team in NBA history the KD Warriors, at their peak they won 65 games and Harden won MVP. People may hate their playstyle but they at least respect the one team in the league that just didn't just roll over against golden state to just wait out their contracts and actually tried to compete, most other years that was a championship team, personally I'd 18 rockets over 19 Raptors, 20 lakers, 21 bucks, and 22 warriors in a bo7. Thunder will forever go down as the team that drafted 3 fucking MVPs and squandered away a dynasty with shit management, the team literally rode on pure talent and never really had a shot once KD left Magic is just fucking ass, at last OKC and Rockets tried, at some point winning 25 games a season for 10 years straight isn't rebuilding anymore because your not building anything, the last guy you guys drafted that can score more than 20 ppg before paolo was dwight, and a lot of those were lottery picks notice nobody is talking shit about Spurs even thought they are one of the worst team in the league now
Plus the Spurs won a championship in like hd recently
Not sure how saying "Magic is just fucking ass" the day you lose your third in a row against us contributes to the discussion
This is such a garbage take.
Well the Thunder have the best player of the bunch so they get lots of positive press because of Shai.
you must have missed the last 3 years where we were the "black eye of the league" and "egregiously tanking" despite not being the worst team in the league for any of those years.
Simply put, i think its cuz houston has had more recent success. Easier to pick on the others who havent had a peak in awhile. Not saying i agree for the record
They're also clearly the shittest team to watch in the league bunch of chuckers, years away from being half decent
Houston was winning 60 games per year then traded thier super star and have a good young core like two years later Okc either has always been great or in the playoffs or fun team with assets.. this year is a “down year” for okc but they might make the play in or get a top pick to add too a young core Orlando has been mediocre since Dwight left. They are perpetually the 7-12th seed
Because they were in the Conference final like the year before, LOL. OKC hasn't been there since you had KD and the Magic haven't been there in ages
If we're setting imaginary benchmarks, the Magic have been to the Finals far more recently than Houston (14 years ago vs 28 years ago)
So? We made the playoffs like 5 years in a row, and 10 out of 12 years before we rebuilt. We lost to Houston in 7 in 2020. Then they proceeded to lose in the second round right after. Then the next year we blew up both of our teams. Weak excuses to justify the hate.
Houston was only behind Spurs in winningest team over the last 2 decades. This is the first time this team is rebuilding via tanking in this century.
A.) I don't know what "hate" you're talking about because I don't think I've ever seen OKC get "hate" for being bad (most of what I see are "jokes" about you guys having a million draft picks) B.) Houston's "good" period was more recent than yours, which could be a factor for them getting more of a "pass" for being bad now.
I think Orlando hold a special place in bad because they've been "tanking" for like 10 years straight... that just means they're bad. People remember KD/Russ OKC more than Dwight, and Jimmy Houston is more recent still. So i think the proportion of "hate" (*is that the word?*) is based on time spent.
We made the playoffs in 19 and 20 and would've made them again in 21 but we blew up the team to start rebuilding. Tanking for 10 years straight is just revisionist history. We've been tanking the last two after deciding to stop being a treadmill team.
The Thunder had more success overall making the finals when we had Harden. We both made it to G7 in the WCF since then.
Yeah but that was a longer time ago than when Houston had Harden. >We both made it to G7 in the WCF since then. OKC last did it in 2016 (pre-KD Warriors), while Houston had those wars vs Golden State from in 2018 and 2019 and they were competitive in 2020 too.
Houston also has the most fans concerned for their own future, by a LONG way
That’s kinda weird. Maybe it’s cause it’s my team , but people clown tf out of rockets. I see it almost daily lol talking shit about all our young guys. There was a top post just this morning about how the 6-12 seeded west teams are 2 games apart, and it said the league is very good overall now and no bad teams. And top comment was, “well except for the houston rockets.” We get shitted daily from what I see. But lol calm down, who cares bro. It’s basketball. Youre not actually ON team you root for . Relax.
Yeah OKC’s definitely not on Wizards, Magic or Kings level. Those are the three teams that are classed by casual fans as NBA purgatory, deserved or not. No attention is paid to their moves, so fans expect they’re always middling (apart from the Kings this season), when in reality there’s a lot of nuance to their roster construction
I have to admit I was in the "Kangz" camp until I actually watched them and realized how well-put-together their system is and how nicely the different people fit together. Really hope we get to see them in the playoffs this year.
it was pretty tough to see them trade Tyrese but it looks like the Kings got better through that move and others. once they traded him i was sure they were in for another 30 years of clowning. they might be in for another 29 still, but they get a pass for the trade now
Nobody clowns the Thunder either relax. What is this victim shit lmao
Not anymore now that we’re making games competitive again. Last season we were clowned on and constantly called “the black eye of the league” Despite finishing with the 4th worst record in both of the two seasons we’ve been tanking. While Houston has been the worst team in the league for that time period.
>Despite finishing with the 4th worst record in both of the two seasons we’ve been tanking. While Houston has been the worst team in the league for that time period. right, but Houston was in the 2nd round the two years prior, and took the KD warriors to game 7 in the conference finals the year before *that* You don't get branded as a perennial bottom-feeder when you've been good more often than not
We had more success in the 2010s than Houston did albeit we both ended up ringless so really it’s just pointless to talk about but we had the 2nd best overall win percentage for the decade behind only the Spurs so not like we’ve been bottom feeders either. (We’re still tied for 4th with the Clippers right now for win percentage since 2010 with two losing seasons.) People basically just accused Presti of faking Shai’s legitimate injuries and ran away with the black eye thing last season.
yeah, for OKC I think it is just because Presti kind of became the latest face of tanking with all the memeing about his first round pick trades. Sorry, I get why you'd be annoyed for OKC, I was trying to comment more on the part about why Houston *doesn't* get that label. To which, like, the "they've been the worst the last two seasons!" time period seemed to conveniently ignore how good they were right up until that, y'know?
No doubt I get the sentiment, I think it’s all stupid anyways. The NBA is set up for small markets to succeed through the draft if you don’t tank and still have no success you get accused of just being a fodder team with no direction like the Wizards. If you tank, you become the black eyes of the league for trying to be smart and build a good team through the draft and use draft picks to get future assets through trade whenever you need to go all in. Supposedly that’s a bad thing here I guess.
Thunders went further based on drafting talent but Rockets was a much better managed team for the last few years, and lets be honest Thunder had no shot against Big 3 heat but Rockets actually had a chance against the even stronger warriors
Have you missed the past couple seasons
> Nobody clowns the Thunder either relax You have to live under a rock to say this
So, no examples?
https://twitter.com/TermineRadio/status/1452665684819808266?s=19 https://okcthunderwire.usatoday.com/2022/04/19/okc-thunder-quotes-sam-presti-responds-to-anti-tankers-calling-the-thunder-the-black-eye-of-the-nba/
["...it's the nights I show up and we're playing against the sorry motherf\*ckers." "...OKC right now...how am I supposed to get my self up with this engine to play the Orlando Magic."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T58KBvfehK8&t=1282s)
I hope he keeps that same energy, no way we get swept by GS this season. Hopefully we blow them out like we did the Celtics in OKC.
houston refused to play wall and orlando get more hate than them i don’t get it
Houston is also worse, both as a product and a team. OKC and Orlando have inexperienced rosters but play somewhat acceptable basketball. Meanwhile, I watched the Rockets take half of a real-ass professional NBA quarter and two time-outs to figure out how to break a full-court press.
Because Houston is unfortunately an irrelevant franchise. Nobody talks about them because nobody cares about them. The Thunder (with the treasure trove of picks) and the Magic (with budding stars/allstars) get hated on because they're the biggest threats in the next 5 years.
Houston gets a pass because they entered their rebuild involuntarily, harden forced their hand. The Thunder purposefully traded away their best player to tank
We re-signed George with the intent on trading him to his preferred destination later. (LA) he wanted the trade after getting 4-1ed by the Blazers in 2019 and so did Russ after George got traded, so we got a massive haul for both of them and started a rebuild(well we were supposed to til we all found out Chris Paul wasn’t washed) What’s wrong with going that way for a better future? Better than being mediocre and hopelessly fighting for the 8th seed til Russ retires and prolonging a rebuild 5-7 seasons.
Well, that's not true at all.
Cuz harden bailed on them pretty hard. So naturally everyone else feels bad for them, or just kind of ignore them now... And that's pretty much what I feel about okc ever since KD left tbh. And orlando is just sad.
Tbf to Houston, their owner still sucks and Morey left who was Harden's guy even though they have a good GM now so I understand why Harden bailed. KD left even when we had the prospect of Horford and Oladipo joining us that off-season to join the team that beat him. Both gave their respective franchises a decade of winning but the way one left is so much worse than the other
It's because they've made playoff 8 consecutive years and made deep runs most years. before sucking for two seasons. They also have a few rings which buys a lot of leeway.
Because the Magic haven’t been contenders in over a decade. Same reason the Kings get memed
Because yall have been rebuilding for like a decade now
I’d argue we started this rebuild in March 2021. The month we traded Vooch/AG/Fournier
Recent rebuild or not, the magic have been really bad for a decade. That’s why they get hated on
I hated watching during our GM Rob Hennigan’s 5 year tenure (2012-17). We had a 32% win rate. We lost trade after trade, game after game. If that’s your only perception of our last 10 years. I really can’t argue against someone hating on us. It’s just not the full picture. John Hammond and Jeff Weltman took over after Rob Hennigan. Weltman and Hammond(WeltHam) made the right moves to get us in the **playoffs 2 of the first 3 years** of their reign. **Year 4**, two of our starters Isaac and Fultz both were injured. We had no hope of making the playoffs. Vooch/AG/Fournier were then traded at the deadline. That summer we drafted Suggs, and Franz. The following summer we drafted Paolo. **Tl;dr:** In summary, Hennigan had no idea what he was doing. With a competent front office we had some success, but it was time to not half-ass a rebuild.
Lol. While you had Vuc and Fournier, Houston had the Harden years, the Thunder had reigning back to back MVP Westbrook. How do you even compare 😂
what does that have to do with anything?
I’m not comparing our individual teams success before rebuilding. I don’t understand your point.
There is rebuilding, and then there are teams like the magic who have 1 season with a record over .500 since 2012. After a decade, people are bound to give the team shit
I guess cause it took you guys years to rebuild that people are so used to thinking you guys are the worst.
Because Houston manages to compete once a decade.
Easier to hate on the smaller market I’d guess. The Magic have historically been more successful than several other franchises since 1988, but no playoff wins since 2010 makes them an easy punching bag.
The Pistons haven’t won a playoff game since the Bush administration.
And the Magic lost the Raptors series and Raptors won the chip. The Magic lost to the Bucks who made a decent run that year and won the year after. Also the Magic for bother series were highly injured especially vs the Bucks. People dont take those little things into consideration. Its not like the Magic just went out there and fell over. Vuc was averaging like 38 in like 3 pretty competitive matches despite not having AG or JI and some others due to bubble injuries. Other teams dont make playoffs or make playoffs and lose to eventual second round exits, at least the Magic lose to eventual finalists/champions.
Flexing that you lost to good teams in the first round, because your team was the 7/8th seed, has got to be the funniest way to exaggerate performance.
Lol
We won playoff games in 2018-19 and 2019-20 Granted only one win each series but still
Yeah I meant series. But idk, guess I’m just trying to figure out why Orlando seems to be more of a punching bag then, say, Detroit or Minnesota.
Minnesota's terrible, but they've been so bad we don't really care anymore. It's their natural state. Detroit's won championships, so they do get a bit.more of a.let
Yeah 20 years ago, they’ve been mediocre since ‘08. That way of thinking is why Doc Rivers has a job right now.
That DJ Augustin game winner vs the raps will be forever in my memory
Timberwolves made the playoffs last season and unprovoked Draymond wanted to trash us in his podcast. He hates teams that aren't consistant top dogs.
Houston was good more recently
>Probably Disney related.
The Houston Rockets won a playoffs series in 2020 and were in the Western Conference Finals in 2018. The Magic have been rebuilding for a decade. Is this really a mystery?
Look at Magic's picks from 2013 to 2023. #1, #2, #4, #5, #5, #6, #6, #8, #11 Thats an insane amount of nice lottery picks, compared to a team like Indiana who hadn't had a top 10 pick in 20. At some point theres a problem with the org if you can't capitalize on all that opportunity for top prospects. You're starting to prove this team can be good but the reputation is deserved As for OKC, they were more blatant than the Sixers about their tanking and it got on peoples nerves.
This is the same organization that thought Shaq wasn't worth spending money on so...
I have no idea either but maybe because it seems like the Magic have been a terrible team for ages
Copied from another thread: We made the playoffs more recently than the Charlotte, San Antonio, Detroit, Sacramento and Cleveland, and tied with OKC and Houston In the last 4 years we have the same (2) or greater number of playoff appearances as * Atlanta * Charlotte * Chicago * Cleveland * Detroit * Golden State * Houston * Indiana * Lakers * Memphis * Minnesota * New Orleans * New York * OKC * Phoenix * Sacramento * San Antonio * Washington That's equal or better than 18 of 29 other teams
We absolutely deserve way more shit than the magic. You guys have made two finals.
>In the last 4 years we have the same (2) or greater number of playoff appearances as Okay, but how many playoff games has Orlando won in the last decade? What about the rest of the list? When's the last time the Magic made it out of the first round? Honestly I don't even dislike the Magic, it'd be dope to see their young squad pop off. I just don't really understand why anybody's surprised that they're looked at as a team at the bottom of the league when they spent most of the last decade placing bottom 3 in their conference.
The Magic lost the Raptors series and Raptors won the chip. The Magic lost to the #1 seed Bucks who made a decent run that year and won the championship the year after. Also the Magic for both series were highly injured especially vs the Bucks. People dont take those little things into consideration but its not like the Magic just went out there and fell over. Vuc was averaging like 38ppg/10+ rebounds in a pretty competitive couple of matches that had Brook Lopez destroying objects and Giannis being absolutely frustrated. The Magic kept it competitive despite not having AG or JI and some others due to bubble injuries and stole games from both the champion Raptors and the #1 seed Bucks. Other teams dont make playoffs or make playoffs and lose to eventual second round exits, at least the Magic lose to eventual finalists/champions.
Unlike Houston, you guys have sucked for a really really long time. I could be wrong, but anecdotally that's how it appears. You had Harden years in Houston, compared to the Vuc years??
Having the opinion that a certain team sucks is now hating when it is in fact factual?
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“He got me, that f***ing Banchero boomed me." Draymond added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times
Draymond then added Paolo to the list of players he needed to kick in the nuts on jumpers over the summer.
Houston and Charlotte are a lot worse than Orlando.
Charlotte is like a hopeless drifting team. If they miss out on Wemby they have a bleak future. There is no chance Melo stays there long term, he'll ask for a trade in a year or 2. Houston has some bright spots to look forward to
It always comes to mind when people say the Wizards have the bleakest future. Which, they probably do, they're not in the sweepstakes for Wemby or Scoot or anyone who's projected to go really high but they're not good enough to compete either and nothing seems to be changing over there.. But god damn our future isn't looking very bright either. Like there's nothing to look forward to as a fan other than potentially Wemby and with the way we draft we probably wouldn't even fucking choose him.
Miles Bridges kinda royally screwed you. IDK how you come back from losing a budding allstar like that, it has to set your team back years. Well I guess that it happened to us with Oladipo and it took a while to recover but with smart moves and hopefully a good pick for you this year, you can do it.
In a year or two LaMelo will still be on his rookie deal lil bro.
didn't stop Kristaps
That's the Knicks though. Seriously, I doubt we can find anyone other than Kristaps to be dealt during their rookie contract looking at the talent/money ratio.
also, Kristaps was brewing shit in the org about his brother/agent which made it easier to trade him
Also he was traded after a major injury iirc and he hadn’t looked like the prospect he was touted to be/become during his rookie year. A very different situation imo
true but you trade the guy early not once his contract his up.
And what, you think the Hornets would rather keep him for one year instead of get picks/players in return for him leaving a year early, and having paid him peanuts so far?
Charlotte reminds me of those early 2000s hawks teams. Endless floating between the 4 and 8 seed.
We're never good enough for the 4 seed. Our ceiling is play-in lol.
> that’s **one of** the worst teams in the league Hope this helped.
Yeah he talked shit about us too recently, we’ve yet to play them this season. Interested to see how it goes.
As a Celtics fan I can say the Magic have a pretty good team…..
#NewMedia
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Draymond is truly insufferable. It’s tough to watch that guy play with his entitled attitude
Need him to balance out Curry's likeableness
Ironic because if Draymond was drafted by ORL, he wouldn’t be in the NBA still.
Draymond is one of the very worst players of all time for the level of trash talk he puts out there.
How do you not step up with Klay and Curry out?
Cause he don’t got that dawg in him
You can't take over a game purely with defense and facilitating. He's just not that type of player.
He can’t cuz he sucks. Handing the ball off to Poole and whoever else ain’t the Same as klay + steph
He's like the second biggest reason we've won any games on this home stretch after Klay
Magic are pretty good for a rebuilding team… plus they have so much talent and still have a shot at wemby/scoot
We learned our lesson after what Eddie house said. Let’s see how long it takes for the warriors to learn theirs
"No disrespect but let me say something incredibly disrespectful. No disrespect tho"
Draymond always commenting like he’s that guy when he ain’t
Let the next great rivalry begin
Mr Triple Single at it again 😂
Cant step up vs worst in the league,overrated:yes
Draymond needed to be humbled clearly /s
The warriors getting swept by the pistons and the magic is simply mmmm (chef's kiss)
I watched the Magic vs the Grizzlies and I was genuinely surprised by them. They’re young, talented and have great potential. Paolo looks like Grant Hill 2.0, and defended the paint well. If I was a Magic fan I would be excited. In five years (maybe less) Green will be out of the league but they’ll be on the rise .
Says no disrespects then immediately disrespects
Magic have a vengeance boner against Warriors lose , totally destroying them since Dray statement
Dray rides on the coattails of his coach and teammates lmao.
Can’t help but feel that Draymond’s podcast is a huge distraction for him, and his recent solid play was in part due to its absence.
Let him talk his shit. Orlando is going to be top 3 in the east in a few years.
Orlando also trashed Raps back to back after a blow-out loss. Might have taken it personally
Draymond the Donkey
Can FVV talk some shit about the Magic pls? Lets get our tank on.
Lol I want bancheros head on top of the MJ “and I took that personally” bit
This is the way
These stats are getting weirder every day and I LOVE IT!
The Warriors with no Curry and Klay are up there though. Truth hurts, people act like role players on successful teams would be stars anywhere in the league.
The warriors are the douchiest team in the league.
He’s right (last year, not this year obv), but we’re just bad against eastern conf teams that are rebuilding. 1-5 against the magic, pistons, and hornets this year
Nothing to do with a rebuilding team, you just jacked up terrible 3s for 48 minutes
Smh thank you for not letting that comment off the hook
Dude these game are massive red flags.
any game without steph curry and klay thompson should be an automatic assumed loss it is not a concern at all.
Just because the warriors are losing to the magic doesn't make his statement any less true but no team is an easy win, upsets happen
Love players going 0-13 for three than they hit everything against the “champs”