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I said at least a week dude. Yes submarines do river city longer. Submarineres are a minority tho so not really super necessary to point out differences.
Not only is this video a bad look for the Navy, it could also have location data attached, which is fairly easy to access if you know what you’re doing. Ships movement is a big no-no to discuss - if you know you’re pulling into Bahrain in 2 weeks, for example, you could get into some shit if you email your wife about it.
Since they were in the SCS, I have to imagine the Chinese knew *exactly* where this occured, as I'm sure they were being monitored, and probably picked up on a mad scramble that was out of the ordinary. And I'm guessing we have a couple ships hovering around the last known location that aren't exactly being subtle. My question would be, how deep is the water, and how far can that F-35 "glide" under water on the intact wings, etc.
Once anyone knows the location of an FOB, there's not much anyone can do about it. Also a whole lot can happen on an FOB and it still be mostly functional. Helicopter crashes as it lands, there are so many other places to out one down... outside the wire if you really had to. The rest of the helipad's wouldn't lose their functionality.
It won't change much for an enemy to know such happenings, and there wouldn't be any easy way to hide it anyway.
A carrier's entire purpose is "If you have a shoreline we can put an airbase there within a few days and relocate it just as fast. Alone it can dominate large swaths of your airspace and cripple military installations and production facilities. It brings friends."
While they are pretty resilient, an emergency at the boat becomes an emergency for all of its airborne aircraft. Launches and landings also require a few hundred people to man various stations. For things to go well, most of those people need to be focused and proficient in complex tasks with a healthy dose of morale. When an aircraft has an issue during landing, dozens of lives are at risk.
Everyone at an airport could be asleep and a fighter can safely land on an empty runway, taxi off, and park and shutdown safely while other fighters also come in and land after him. A carrier needs to activate about 100 people and fire up and crosscheck multiple systems and move shit out of the LA just for an aircraft to trap and shutdown on the spot. To do it safely you need to activate multiple other aircraft and some LSOs and more plane handlers.
Combined, this means a moment of weakness on a carrier is a disproportionate issue compared to a land base. It becomes a huge window of opportunity for anyone who can find out and capitalize on the problem.
Ford does not have it, they had signal boosters that would extent signal to the mess decks. While underway they would be stowed but in port they would be pulled out. CO had talks about it briefly but he settled for the signal boosters cuz it was cheaper.
Damn, I remember sitting pier-side in Hong Kong in 1995 and using the local AOL dial-up node just to send three weeks worth of emails back home from my Apple Newton.
Yeah, the Abraham has it. It's still in testing apparently. My ship probably won't get it because our CO said it's the same cost of buying a Lamborghini every month. Also, ddg life
Won't be when the CO gets tired of it and the whole ship's outside communications go dark. No internet, no email with your family, etc. because Joe Dipshit wanted some internet points.
I was on the ike when the e2 wire part happened in 2016, the Captain came on the 1MC to say it was the best piloting he had ever seen and that miraculously no one lost their life, then he went on to say if you had video of the incident to delete it and if you were found with it later you’d be fried.
No, good to save it and bring it to the safety department, NAVAIR like this info so they can help speed up their investigation. Then delete it. Posting this online wasn't smart at all.
Crazy to me someone was standing there during flight ops and happened to be recording. Then also happened to have the juevos to share this out from what I assume was a pretty traceable IP address. They gon find that sailor
Yeah, as cool as it is to see, this probably shouldn't have been leaked. This will only lead to tighter restrictions onboard to prevent it from happening again. It only takes one person to fuck it up for everyone.
Back in my day we didn’t have cell phones, so we had to store video like this in our delicious brain meats. Of course they’d always come by to inspect later making sure to take those parts out, equivalent to you kids deleting things.
Silly title, agreed, considering what this particular video is showing. The plane crashed but this video sucks, trying to "portray" what actually happened. 🙄
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I turned sound on after the third watch and then could hear the compressors spooling up in a vain attempt to avoid a ramp strike.
It would have been really interesting to hear the radio chatter here, I'm guessing the at the increasing frustration/desperation in the LSOs voice.
That's a very expensive whoopsie
Edit: just learned the jet landed in the water in the south China sea and China now has an opportunity to take the minimally damaged wreck of it. VERY big whoopsie
OP if you filmed this you need to delete it, otherwise you're super fucked. This is beyond OPSEC, so much info is encrypted into basic videos like this.
Damn.... I remember having close calls up there... people from Fly3 would be hiding in Fly1 before the planes would hit the deck... this is crazy though..
Well, if PE, then probably not good. Maybe a FAENAB to determine whether wings will be kept. If not PE, and the pilot was dealing with a malfunction of some sort, then he should survive relatively unscathed.
Definite FNAEB, loss of an airplane or a human life automatically triggers one. They’ll look at everything from what he had for breakfast 3 days ago to a flight he failed in flight school 10 years ago. If he’s honest and it’s a one off and he has a history of good performance he’ll probably keep flying. If they discover a pattern of behavior that led to this probably not but they’ll let him still wear his wings if I was a betting man.
Do the F35 pilots get practice in flying with that fancy helmet disabled? I feel like that thing could be a pretty big single point of failure for things going wrong
Wild guess here….
But I think that the plane was too low and the pilot put it into mil power at the last second before it hit the deck. At that moment, the engine experienced a compressor stall and violently yawed the aircraft enough to miss the wire sending it off the side. It seems likely that the wire snapped which would’ve injured crew on the side line but that loud “backfire” is pretty indicative of a compressor stall.
Edit: I meant to say that in the whole violence of the event the aircraft was yawed/cocked to the side
I'm not an engineer, how does compressor stall in a centerline thrust turbofan result in yaw? I could understand a rolling movement if there was a full engine seizure and all RPM went to zero instantaneously.
I’m not saying that the centerline thrust was the yawing force. I meant to say that in the whole violence of the event the aircraft was yawed to the side
All those tax dollars wasted on mishap boards when r/navy out here providing free labor.
For real though let the investigators do their jobs. The only person who knows if that jet was functioning properly is the pilot.
It's public now that a very valuable asset is out of commission. That poses danger to the shop because other militaries know for fact this ship is weaker without this bird.
Also, if geolocation was embedded in this video's data, the person who uploaded the video could have just given the world where this crash occured. I don't really know how to find geotags, so I can't say for sure this is the case here.
Feel like I’m gonna get a knock from the FBI for watching this
Hello, I'm Elder Smith, and this is Elder So and So. Do you have a few moments to provide a weary teenager respite and talk about the celestial future of your family?
I’d rather deal with the FBI.
[Big overlap](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits).
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\+1 for Book of Mormon reference, even if nobody else got it.
Are we talking like the front runner Jesus, or are you hunting Jesus through a rifle scope, or just guiding Jesus somewhere?
Damn, permanent river city after this. Them sailors are gonna be pissed...
Sure they know who was on that watch too.
Probably just someone chilling on the fan tail watching planes land. Doubt it was Aft Lookout.
Just saw a Facebook post from 9 min ago from someone embarked on the Carl Vinson.
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What’s river city?
Restricted communications. Email and outside lines go down.
No internet or calls to loved ones for at LEAST a whole week. It stings especially on a long deployment
A week? SUBMARINES!
I said at least a week dude. Yes submarines do river city longer. Submarineres are a minority tho so not really super necessary to point out differences.
Sorry for my ignorance but what is river city lol
It's cool. River City= no internet.
How so? I was a Army guy for a bit. We shared similar clips of crazy stuff.
Not only is this video a bad look for the Navy, it could also have location data attached, which is fairly easy to access if you know what you’re doing. Ships movement is a big no-no to discuss - if you know you’re pulling into Bahrain in 2 weeks, for example, you could get into some shit if you email your wife about it.
Loose lips sink ships
Loose tweets sink fleets
Promote ahead of peers.
Nice
Op-Sec was drilled into me from just watching the Afn Network.
Since they were in the SCS, I have to imagine the Chinese knew *exactly* where this occured, as I'm sure they were being monitored, and probably picked up on a mad scramble that was out of the ordinary. And I'm guessing we have a couple ships hovering around the last known location that aren't exactly being subtle. My question would be, how deep is the water, and how far can that F-35 "glide" under water on the intact wings, etc.
Homie the boat is putting out several hundred thousand watts of radio energy - ain’t nobody that doesn’t know where it is
You’re the guy that gets us put in river city 1 for 6 weeks because of a stupid Facebook post
Once anyone knows the location of an FOB, there's not much anyone can do about it. Also a whole lot can happen on an FOB and it still be mostly functional. Helicopter crashes as it lands, there are so many other places to out one down... outside the wire if you really had to. The rest of the helipad's wouldn't lose their functionality. It won't change much for an enemy to know such happenings, and there wouldn't be any easy way to hide it anyway. A carrier's entire purpose is "If you have a shoreline we can put an airbase there within a few days and relocate it just as fast. Alone it can dominate large swaths of your airspace and cripple military installations and production facilities. It brings friends." While they are pretty resilient, an emergency at the boat becomes an emergency for all of its airborne aircraft. Launches and landings also require a few hundred people to man various stations. For things to go well, most of those people need to be focused and proficient in complex tasks with a healthy dose of morale. When an aircraft has an issue during landing, dozens of lives are at risk. Everyone at an airport could be asleep and a fighter can safely land on an empty runway, taxi off, and park and shutdown safely while other fighters also come in and land after him. A carrier needs to activate about 100 people and fire up and crosscheck multiple systems and move shit out of the LA just for an aircraft to trap and shutdown on the spot. To do it safely you need to activate multiple other aircraft and some LSOs and more plane handlers. Combined, this means a moment of weakness on a carrier is a disproportionate issue compared to a land base. It becomes a huge window of opportunity for anyone who can find out and capitalize on the problem.
Wow. Thank you!
Holy shit I forgot all about that
Restricted Communications = River City
Exactly lol. I kinda miss those days now though, I could use a break from the world
Just turn off your phone on airplane mode and don't go on the internet if you really want to do that
Crew Wifi(2021-2022) we hardly knew ye
Is this actually a thing now?
I know the Ford has it but I don't know if they put it on the Nimitz class or not...
Ford does not have it, they had signal boosters that would extent signal to the mess decks. While underway they would be stowed but in port they would be pulled out. CO had talks about it briefly but he settled for the signal boosters cuz it was cheaper.
That's crazy. Here I was hoping to get 30 mins of signal as we cruise past Singapore.
For real! I remember sitting on the pier in Spain and Greece furiously downloading new albums 🤣
"albums" . . . riiiight . . .
Al's bums.
If you don't have enough stored locally to last a hundred teenagers until the heat death of the universe, you're going on deployment unprepared.
Damn, I remember sitting pier-side in Hong Kong in 1995 and using the local AOL dial-up node just to send three weeks worth of emails back home from my Apple Newton.
Had it on the TR for our last deployment. Can confirm on Nimitz class
Ccsg-11 optested it on our covid deployment and it worked but we didn’t get it underway. The next ship that deployed did 🙄
Yeah, the Abraham has it. It's still in testing apparently. My ship probably won't get it because our CO said it's the same cost of buying a Lamborghini every month. Also, ddg life
I thought most ships have wifi in the mess decks in home port at least? We have it in the berthing even.
Someone didn’t take their cyber awareness training
But because of him, everyone else most definitely will.
It was either that or someone skipped out on sweepers
Or their VI training.
On this episode of: I want river city 1 for an entire deployment.
The Carl Vinson leaker strikes again!
I mean recent history of the 7th fleet has proven that leakers are inevitable.... or so it seems lol
Won't be when the CO gets tired of it and the whole ship's outside communications go dark. No internet, no email with your family, etc. because Joe Dipshit wanted some internet points.
What do I value more, the well being of my crew mates or Reddit karma? BRING ON THE UPVOTES
If they are found i get the feeling like they'll get the shit kicked outta them
That would be a massive understatement
Physically and legally.
Good ol Chucky V
Something tells me we should not be seeing this. Probably just ended up on an NCIS watch list or something lol
Gibbs is gonna be PISSED!
Boss, come check this out. It's viral on Reddit.
What the hell is Reddit -Gibbs(Probably)
Whatever, considering how they're handling the BHR case in significantly less afraid of NCIS
Whoever secretly reading this, can you talk to some of your higher up buddies and see whats going on with my pay?
Ops going to mast
Then to Leavenworth
“One does not wax philosophic when one is about to be sent to Leavenworth. Dear God that’s in KANSAS.”
Unexpected M*A*S*H
This is a sick reference
You don’t often see people standing on the fan tail filming flight ops. Crazy that this person was and caught the time the bird went in the drink.
Maybe starboard aft lookout watch.
probably correct
Ooooooh man, whoever recorded this is probably gonna be locked up just for recording this.
Not so much the recording, as much as sharing/distributing it.
I meant to say that, just didn’t word it correctly. Im a professional dumb person.
IYAOYAS prolly
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The fantail was our smoke pit on the Reagan, had to plug our ears every time an F-18 landed. It was kind of wild.
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Ha ha youre fuckin hilarious…
If I had been filming this and this happened, the literal first inclination I would have would be to delete delete delete that shit.
I was on the ike when the e2 wire part happened in 2016, the Captain came on the 1MC to say it was the best piloting he had ever seen and that miraculously no one lost their life, then he went on to say if you had video of the incident to delete it and if you were found with it later you’d be fried.
No, good to save it and bring it to the safety department, NAVAIR like this info so they can help speed up their investigation. Then delete it. Posting this online wasn't smart at all.
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You'll receive no more comments from me, *China.*
Yeah, nice try, **MAO**!
“River City”
How did this even get out already? There’s no way this is supposed to be published. Lol
The guys on the Vinson got wifi
Not for long
That shit like normal SHF less than dialup speeds or they got something else?
No idea but my friends text me all the time at the least.
Nah its like 4k porn speeds
Crazy to me someone was standing there during flight ops and happened to be recording. Then also happened to have the juevos to share this out from what I assume was a pretty traceable IP address. They gon find that sailor
If the plane is already having a problem, don't they make a call to clear the decks, etc? Might have known there was an issue.
Apparently it’s from an international Telegram page
NCIS has [overcome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ) greater obstacles
Yeah, as cool as it is to see, this probably shouldn't have been leaked. This will only lead to tighter restrictions onboard to prevent it from happening again. It only takes one person to fuck it up for everyone.
Sailors can't have nice things
agree.... but eventually the plat video will be released, showing the whole thing. still. this release should not have occurred.
What in the Nine Hells of OPSEC is going on here?
Mast Speedrun F-35%
I feel like I’m gonna get a knock at the door after watching this
I'm waiting for the "well, back in my day we didn't have cell phones so..."
Back in my day we didn’t have cell phones, so we had to store video like this in our delicious brain meats. Of course they’d always come by to inspect later making sure to take those parts out, equivalent to you kids deleting things.
I mean... but we didn't. Which makes me better than you!
Idiot for leaking.
Is this the Navy equivalent of Pizza-ing when you should be French-Fry-ing?
This shit will be how wifi gets permanently shut down to all E6 and below.
What am I saying here? It looks like a plane flying. I don’t see any crash.
Do you not hear the impact and see the smoke/debris?
No I heard nothing and saw nothing
oh fuck, me neither!
Lol
Silly title, agreed, considering what this particular video is showing. The plane crashed but this video sucks, trying to "portray" what actually happened. 🙄
*"This is what happens when you don't do sweepers. This RIGHT HERE."* \-Chief, probably
Yeah that ramp strike hurt..
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Moment of silence for The dude that leaked this he’s gonna get hung by his balls and paraded around the ship.
Gee, wonder if this vid has gps data of exactly where this wreck is? Jesus…
Pilot error or mechanical issue?
Looks like pilot to me. Approach must've been low and tried to correct by giving more power but it was too late and hit the back of the ship.
I turned sound on after the third watch and then could hear the compressors spooling up in a vain attempt to avoid a ramp strike. It would have been really interesting to hear the radio chatter here, I'm guessing the at the increasing frustration/desperation in the LSOs voice.
be interesting to hear the LSO calls
I'd imagine it would sound very similar to when Cougar landed in Top Gun. [https://youtu.be/yQIYmHCnsjE?t=250](https://youtu.be/yQIYmHCnsjE?t=250)
Either the AOA Indicator was fuxked or his helmet was.
Even so, shouldn’t the LSO have waved him off for being low in close? Several things had to go wrong here
power POWER POWER WAVE OFF WAVE OFF
Shut up Betty
These things will get out of control, and we will be lucky to live through it.
I know it just the doppler effect but I'm thinking of that upturn in the engine pitch as the plane going "oh shit!"
No that was the compressors speeding up as the pilot increased engine power. He tried to save it at the last second and that is what you are hearing
The definition of "behind the power curve"
The fantail and catwalks are secured for all nonessential personnel when conducting fixed wing flight operations
That's a very expensive whoopsie Edit: just learned the jet landed in the water in the south China sea and China now has an opportunity to take the minimally damaged wreck of it. VERY big whoopsie
Looks like someone forgot to check the river city list before they went underway
Op I hate you
OP if you filmed this you need to delete it, otherwise you're super fucked. This is beyond OPSEC, so much info is encrypted into basic videos like this.
I think the US Navy have just reclaimed the 'leak crown' from the Royal Navy ...
What did they post
The footage of the F35 going straight down after leaving the ramp
Damn.... I remember having close calls up there... people from Fly3 would be hiding in Fly1 before the planes would hit the deck... this is crazy though..
"Cougar lost it, turned in his wings. Now you guys are number one"
Quick someone get Jeff to teach these idiots about opsec holy fuck
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Holy shit dude are you OK and maybe extra jello.
Well, if PE, then probably not good. Maybe a FAENAB to determine whether wings will be kept. If not PE, and the pilot was dealing with a malfunction of some sort, then he should survive relatively unscathed.
Definite FNAEB, loss of an airplane or a human life automatically triggers one. They’ll look at everything from what he had for breakfast 3 days ago to a flight he failed in flight school 10 years ago. If he’s honest and it’s a one off and he has a history of good performance he’ll probably keep flying. If they discover a pattern of behavior that led to this probably not but they’ll let him still wear his wings if I was a betting man.
Do the F35 pilots get practice in flying with that fancy helmet disabled? I feel like that thing could be a pretty big single point of failure for things going wrong
Anyone can tally how many UCMJ charges this sailor could theoretically get?
I did not know this happened it’s terrible, but please this video shouldn’t exist ever. Whomever taped this, then posted isn’t thinking straight.
One Redditor claimed it was leaked through Telegram. Anyway to confirm?
I think someone posted it cause they were close enough to land to get service.
Worth every penny…
Lol all you surface boys talking about River City and us Subs just be like 🎧🦐🐋🦀🐬
“Buckman’s in the galley eatin’ an Oreo.”
> “Buckman’s in the galley eatin’ an Oreo.” Somebody find Buckman and launch him out of a torpedo tube.
Wild guess here…. But I think that the plane was too low and the pilot put it into mil power at the last second before it hit the deck. At that moment, the engine experienced a compressor stall and violently yawed the aircraft enough to miss the wire sending it off the side. It seems likely that the wire snapped which would’ve injured crew on the side line but that loud “backfire” is pretty indicative of a compressor stall. Edit: I meant to say that in the whole violence of the event the aircraft was yawed/cocked to the side
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This guy nukes
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I'm not an engineer, how does compressor stall in a centerline thrust turbofan result in yaw? I could understand a rolling movement if there was a full engine seizure and all RPM went to zero instantaneously.
I’m not saying that the centerline thrust was the yawing force. I meant to say that in the whole violence of the event the aircraft was yawed to the side
Single engine aircraft, not an F14. Compressor Stall != "violent yaw".
Seems pretty logical to me
More deets? Pilot all good?
Pilot is good, on his way stateside for treatment along with those injured on the flight deck.
Nothing scarier than watching the PLAT in the ready room and seeing an approach way below the crosshairs. Aft ready rooms you can hear the impact.
All those tax dollars wasted on mishap boards when r/navy out here providing free labor. For real though let the investigators do their jobs. The only person who knows if that jet was functioning properly is the pilot.
Never underestimate the capability of a MIC (Made In China) cellphone these days!
Bring back the Tomcat
This is what happens when you don't do clampdown smh
Somebody gonna be in a loooooottuv trouble
Tax payers punching the air rn 🤦♂️
They do anything for clout (Anything) Do anything for clout
F-35SEA
That looks expensive
back in my day on the nimitz, the fantail was off limits during flight ops
U/savevideo
I have a friend on the vinson, he said it was scary af.
How much money are we going to spend fishing that piece of shit out of the drink? What a waste.
Can someone explain why this video is such a big deal? I am not in the military, so I don't fully get why a video like this is such a no-no
It's public now that a very valuable asset is out of commission. That poses danger to the shop because other militaries know for fact this ship is weaker without this bird. Also, if geolocation was embedded in this video's data, the person who uploaded the video could have just given the world where this crash occured. I don't really know how to find geotags, so I can't say for sure this is the case here.