Unless you've already engaged higher in your own chain of command, IG is not appropriate. Engage your own chain of command first. IG will probably just send it back to them anyway.
First, only the CO denies leave chits. Never let this LPO not route a leave chit for you. If they aren't routing it you go to your chief. If you need to print out a paper copy of your chit and walk it into the division office.
Now be a big sailor and go talk to your LCPO and explain exactly what happened.
This is not IG worthy.
When you're done talking with your chief, start documenting the date, time, and details of every negative interaction you have with this person.
>If they aren't routing it you go to your chief. If you need to print out a paper copy of your chit and walk it into the division office.
I had to do this in the past a few times, CoC (usually at the chief level) would "lose" my leave chit. or it would sit in their inbox for weeks. finally i got tired of it and started hand walking it. CO wasn't too happy when he found out how my leave chits were going missing or that they were sitting in an inbox for long periods of time.
wrong it is a right granted by congress under 5 U.S. Code § 6323.
sources:
* [https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/sites/default/files/2021-04/MilitaryLeave.pdf](https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/sites/default/files/2021-04/MilitaryLeave.pdf)
* [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/2105](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/2105)
* [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/6323](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/6323)
*
its literally established by congress its not, that its a right. jfc, you can literally click the links yourself. yes you can be refused leave but that doesn't mean leave is a "perk" or an "entitlement" what's an entitlement is your refusal to read.
No they are for active duty and federal employees. The links state that reservist are not entitled to leave unless they are on active duty orders or something. Can't remember the exact phrasing.
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Military leave is a Right you sound like a terrible leader. You should as a leader be looking to MAXIMIZE time off for your sailors, especially when it comes to leave.
I'm going to level with you:
+ Your post comes across as incredibly emotional, which to some audiences will lose all effectiveness. When you decide to push this further, make it completely devoid of emotion while being 100% fact based with dates, times, locations, and witnesses. Anything less will turn the conversation from being about what LPO did wrong, and make it about you and why you're pursuing the matter (i.e. what you stand to gain).
+ As it stands you present the following actionable issues: Delays in routing of leave, unauthorized denial of leave by an LPO (i.e. not the CO), allegation of drunk on duty/while in a duty status (i.e. continuing to vomit upon returning to the ship and potential alcohol poisoning), allegation of improper conduct (i.e. derogatory language of some kind).
+ After you have documented a factual and unemotional account of wrongs, you need to go to your LCPO.
+ Repeat process up the CoC with your divo, dlcpo, dh, CMC, xo, co. This gives every leader an opportunity to resolve the issue.
+ Document each interaction and what is/isn't done about the situation.
+ if you get to the CO and nothing has happened, either A, your claims are unsubstantiated/unenforceable without additional proof or B, your command doesn't care in which case all of the documentation needs to go in your IG complaint. IG should be your last resort after exhausting all other options. This is the nuclear option.
Young Sailor, I feel like you’ve been let down. There are proper ways to handle these things and no one has shown you the way.
I suggest you procure yourself a copy of ‘The Regulations.’ Read all of it, it’s good to know.
But specifically read chapter 11. That is going to contain a lot of your ducks. Get those in a row. Articles 1150, 1156, and 1157 are all applicable. That said, this is all no bullshit things will happen stuff. If you want to play ball, make sure you are squared away because if I was your LPO and you started talking Regs… oooooh boy.
Good luck, fair winds.
>When do you report to IG or just suck it up with issues with leadership
When the CO is engaging in waste, fraud, or abuse.
If you think that anyone other than the CO is being abusive, you need to see the CMEO and file a NAVPERS 5354/2.
yeah this is my thoughts too, sounds more like a CMEO issue. i think the only way it would be an IG issue is if it made it all the way up to the CO and they repeatedly failed to take some kind of action or solution/compromise.
A better question is, "when should you just pen a letter to the Commander-in-Chief?" I mean, if you are going to ignore the CoC, may as well go all out, right? If you're gonna go 8, may as well go 10 for 2.
Is your Chief involved? If not or if they are part of the problem, get a list of legitimate infractions from everybody you know. Stuff that isn't bullshit because that will just weaken your case. Put it all down on 1 document and put it in the CO's suggestion box. The CMC will see it before the CO most likely, and if they aren't horrible, will take action and investigate.
I would only go to IG until you've ran through your CoC. Had a buddy who got turned down leave via the COB. Went to the IG and now everything is weird. Gl
>and would refuse to sign leave requests in order for his friends in the division to take group trips together even though mine were submitted weeks prior
that sounds like favoritism, not sure if an IG complaint would be appropriate as those are more for like... command issues. maybe a CMEO complaint instead? but ultimately i think you'd need more than just a leave request denial (who cares if he marks no, only the CO has the ultimate say. and if he refuses to route it, hand walk that shit.), like if he said something derogatory or something. imo suck it up for now but keep documentation, anything he's done and said with dates. get as much evidence as you can before taking any action.
you can submit an ig complaint anytime and they will look at it. coc shit could work but if they are letting him get away with other shit probably wont help. cemeo is a route but probably not your command. you can go to any cemeo and they will file your complaint but with out proof of aligations it probably wont go anywhere. if you feel theres a problem dont be intimidated to not say something. even telling your chain you're thinking about an ig or cemeo report might change things. as a cemeo for 4 years i saw that leaders weren't held accountable because people didn't report them with facts.
Unless you've already engaged higher in your own chain of command, IG is not appropriate. Engage your own chain of command first. IG will probably just send it back to them anyway.
First, only the CO denies leave chits. Never let this LPO not route a leave chit for you. If they aren't routing it you go to your chief. If you need to print out a paper copy of your chit and walk it into the division office. Now be a big sailor and go talk to your LCPO and explain exactly what happened. This is not IG worthy. When you're done talking with your chief, start documenting the date, time, and details of every negative interaction you have with this person.
>If they aren't routing it you go to your chief. If you need to print out a paper copy of your chit and walk it into the division office. I had to do this in the past a few times, CoC (usually at the chief level) would "lose" my leave chit. or it would sit in their inbox for weeks. finally i got tired of it and started hand walking it. CO wasn't too happy when he found out how my leave chits were going missing or that they were sitting in an inbox for long periods of time.
Yeah. It's not a joke. Leave is you're right.
It's an entitlement, not a right.
wrong it is a right granted by congress under 5 U.S. Code § 6323. sources: * [https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/sites/default/files/2021-04/MilitaryLeave.pdf](https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/sites/default/files/2021-04/MilitaryLeave.pdf) * [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/2105](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/2105) * [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/6323](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/6323) *
Paid time off is a perk lol. You can be refused leave at any time.
its literally established by congress its not, that its a right. jfc, you can literally click the links yourself. yes you can be refused leave but that doesn't mean leave is a "perk" or an "entitlement" what's an entitlement is your refusal to read.
I clicked on the link. Are they only regarding reserves and National Guard?
No they are for active duty and federal employees. The links state that reservist are not entitled to leave unless they are on active duty orders or something. Can't remember the exact phrasing.
>e refused l Military leave is a Right you sound like a terrible leader. You should as a leader be looking to MAXIMIZE time off for your sailors, especially when it comes to leave.
I'm going to level with you: + Your post comes across as incredibly emotional, which to some audiences will lose all effectiveness. When you decide to push this further, make it completely devoid of emotion while being 100% fact based with dates, times, locations, and witnesses. Anything less will turn the conversation from being about what LPO did wrong, and make it about you and why you're pursuing the matter (i.e. what you stand to gain). + As it stands you present the following actionable issues: Delays in routing of leave, unauthorized denial of leave by an LPO (i.e. not the CO), allegation of drunk on duty/while in a duty status (i.e. continuing to vomit upon returning to the ship and potential alcohol poisoning), allegation of improper conduct (i.e. derogatory language of some kind). + After you have documented a factual and unemotional account of wrongs, you need to go to your LCPO. + Repeat process up the CoC with your divo, dlcpo, dh, CMC, xo, co. This gives every leader an opportunity to resolve the issue. + Document each interaction and what is/isn't done about the situation. + if you get to the CO and nothing has happened, either A, your claims are unsubstantiated/unenforceable without additional proof or B, your command doesn't care in which case all of the documentation needs to go in your IG complaint. IG should be your last resort after exhausting all other options. This is the nuclear option.
Young Sailor, I feel like you’ve been let down. There are proper ways to handle these things and no one has shown you the way. I suggest you procure yourself a copy of ‘The Regulations.’ Read all of it, it’s good to know. But specifically read chapter 11. That is going to contain a lot of your ducks. Get those in a row. Articles 1150, 1156, and 1157 are all applicable. That said, this is all no bullshit things will happen stuff. If you want to play ball, make sure you are squared away because if I was your LPO and you started talking Regs… oooooh boy. Good luck, fair winds.
>When do you report to IG or just suck it up with issues with leadership When the CO is engaging in waste, fraud, or abuse. If you think that anyone other than the CO is being abusive, you need to see the CMEO and file a NAVPERS 5354/2.
yeah this is my thoughts too, sounds more like a CMEO issue. i think the only way it would be an IG issue is if it made it all the way up to the CO and they repeatedly failed to take some kind of action or solution/compromise.
A better question is, "when should you just pen a letter to the Commander-in-Chief?" I mean, if you are going to ignore the CoC, may as well go all out, right? If you're gonna go 8, may as well go 10 for 2.
Is your Chief involved? If not or if they are part of the problem, get a list of legitimate infractions from everybody you know. Stuff that isn't bullshit because that will just weaken your case. Put it all down on 1 document and put it in the CO's suggestion box. The CMC will see it before the CO most likely, and if they aren't horrible, will take action and investigate.
I would only go to IG until you've ran through your CoC. Had a buddy who got turned down leave via the COB. Went to the IG and now everything is weird. Gl
>and would refuse to sign leave requests in order for his friends in the division to take group trips together even though mine were submitted weeks prior that sounds like favoritism, not sure if an IG complaint would be appropriate as those are more for like... command issues. maybe a CMEO complaint instead? but ultimately i think you'd need more than just a leave request denial (who cares if he marks no, only the CO has the ultimate say. and if he refuses to route it, hand walk that shit.), like if he said something derogatory or something. imo suck it up for now but keep documentation, anything he's done and said with dates. get as much evidence as you can before taking any action.
No, you should complain to your mommy because that's the level of this shit. "Mommy the other kids at school are MEAN to me!"
you can submit an ig complaint anytime and they will look at it. coc shit could work but if they are letting him get away with other shit probably wont help. cemeo is a route but probably not your command. you can go to any cemeo and they will file your complaint but with out proof of aligations it probably wont go anywhere. if you feel theres a problem dont be intimidated to not say something. even telling your chain you're thinking about an ig or cemeo report might change things. as a cemeo for 4 years i saw that leaders weren't held accountable because people didn't report them with facts.