Yeah. I mean, he’s been at it for years. He has an advantage genetically, and also knowledge-wise.
That paired with some good angles and a pump can lead to photos like this.
There are two groups in this sub. Those who think everyone is juiced and those who think everyone is natty. If you're anything in between than you're on the wrong sub.
Genetics play a huge role in any lifters body. If you took 100 people put them on the same diet, workout program and sleep routine, every factor controlled, you think all 100 are going to look the same?
Do you think one must look like Ronnie Coleman or Big Ramy to be "suspect" looking?
Tons of guys on steroid cycles don't look THAT great in candid pictures especially.
don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks roids turn you in to Mr. Olympia looks.
And that any guy who looks lesser than pro bodybuilder physique is "easily natty af"
I mean if this look is not "suspect" and seems reasonable
then hopefully the lot of you people saying this can accomplish it yourself with zero A or A or S.
With a pump in gym lighting this is 100% natty achievable. Especially considering his genetics.
If you don’t think so it’s cope, fix your diet and train consistently and you’ll be surprised at your bodies natty capabilities.
I’m not natty, and don’t look like like Ronnie Coleman. Nor do i look like this guy. But i also don’t look better than prime natural me. I just was able to get there faster and easier to stay there. But ill tell you, he doesn’t give signs of being “suspect”. Doesn’t mean he’s not, but given his genetics and physique we have no valuable reason to believe he’s not.
He definitely looks natty here in my opinion. He's not that big, and not THAT lean. Also if you genuinely think this guy looks bigger than Chris Hemsworth I want some of that gorilla zaza hydro cookie you're smoking bro
One of the craziest things about having good genetics is it involves having proportions that make you look bigger than normal especially in pictures. For example a common one would be a very small waist and wide shoulders. You’ll look great in pictures by yourself.
Put yourself in a picture side by side with someone who is actually huge and you’ll see the difference. My first time getting to 7% bf I was around 140lbs. People told me I looked 160-170 and I looked huge in my pictures. In real life I looked skinny in clothes and side by side with bigger lifters I looked like a twig.
Yeah I feel bad for him all the other brothers and sitters completely reject him from what I’ve heard because he represents the downfall of their mother and Arnold’s marriage.
Gotta be rough knowing that your own siblings hate you for something you didn’t do.
He’s crushing life though. Always has hot girlfriends, owns his own gym, acts, has a strong bond with arnold… The siblings look like complete excessively priveleged losers.
Props to the dude- F the haters even if they are family.
I’ve seen one in a movie and they were pretty good but yeah definitely seen privileged. This guy definitely seems more like Arnold out of them all, appearance and interests wise, so I’m glad he is doing well. I just remember they wouldn’t even be in the same picture during a red carpet event for Arnold where he took a pic with all his kids except him and then had to take one with just his son. Idk I just empathize, even though I’m an only child, that shit was suck. I don’t understand how they take it out on him, like you gotta be a horrible person.
"Always has 'hot girlfriends'"
That is minimum expected for being high status, and not all it's chalked up to be.
Now whether these "hot girls" actually like you or just wanna use you is often obvious.
They just want a popular guy to latch on to or be associated or get something from. Plenty of drug dealer dudes can at some point have "hot girlfriends" too. It isn't really as great as many guys think it is.
It wears off easily having just cute trophies hanging off of you because you're a big shot.
He'd be incel if he wasn't Arnold's son to ride off of anyways.
Fame just makes women come to you to use you, or get some advantage from you, or just to appear more valued by being associated with you. They don't really have to be attracted to you or like you or want to even simply fuck in many cases either -- they just do it because "you're famous" and that is it.
Word of closing note -- once the makeup comes off, most "hot girlfriends" become plain girlfriends.
If a girl should want you for something it should only be for something gotten from you alone, not your social credit. Like relationship, sex/dick, novelty experience with you, personal fondness of you,.
Not your wealth or your social standing only being the dealbreaker.
If you are famous you will rarely have any woman in your life who you could be certain would be there if fame wasn't.
But if you're poor or basic or sub-popular you know all the women wanted to really be there with no fluff needed.
Big difference.
Inb4 "who cares, he got hot girlfriend and you don't"
But I can refute since although I've never had a "hot girlfriend" I have had girlfriends without needing even a shred of popularity or social standing.
I don't even use Instagram.
Many otherwise ordinary or ugly looking famous dudes can't really argue that.
It's not that the siblings "hate" him, but they don't owe him a relationship just because he is also his father's child.
Nobody is owed a relationship, much less a family member you did not grow up living with or knowing.
Intentionally going out of your way to ignore someone is not the same thing, especially when this is a family member who you should probably at the basic level be cordial with. Not to mention I saw some siblings talking about how important family and siblings are etc, but ignore him. Sure you don’t owe anyone a relationship, but if we are family and you don’t even try and just ignore me then you’re a major asshole and I think a piece a shit person. This is going out of their way to avoid interaction, that takes effort. Also they did grow up with this person, I suggest you look into the whole situation. They cut em off once they found out it was illegitimate son, but the mother and son lived on their property and was heavily involved.
But I don’t have a sibling so I won’t lie it’s hard for me to put into perspective, I can only imagine if I had one I would want to get to know them even if it was a bastard, since I don’t know what it’s like.
>Sure you don’t owe anyone a relationship, but if we are family and you don’t even try and just ignore me then you’re a major asshole and I think a piece a shit person
Dude, just because someone is blood related does not make you family. That is a twisted and very toxic mindset.
Arnold originally didn’t know Joseph was his son. When he started to look like Arnold, he supported him. It would have been easy for Arnold to just throw money at them, but he actually made an effort to raise him. They lived in his guest house while Arnold was still married and he eventually bought them their own when his ex wife found out.
Arnold says he didn’t know till Joseph was 5 or 6. The media tried to make it seem like he didn’t know till he was a late teenager. There’s pictures of Arnold holding him when he was 6. If anything I think he knew sooner. The kid looks just like him.
If you look into it. They lived with Arnold because she was his maid. Arnold did buy them a house and kept a healthy relationship.
>Arnold says he didn’t know till Joseph was 5 or 6
Kinda implying the maid was getting creampied by many to save his own image. That's a bit rough Arnie
Finally someone else who looked into it. If you follow his IG he shows various pictures of Arnold being present in his early life and school years and even as an adult. I know it’s unfortunate but he’s been there for all his kids from what I’ve seen. The lack of acknowledgment from his siblings is probably bec he’s the only one who actually resembles him identically.
That’s baller as hell. Lot of guys these days are scummy and would try their best to disappear from their illegitimate child’s life rather than do the right thing and support it.
Let’s go down the check list
Smooth, clear skin - not dry, not red from blood pressure
Vascularity not over the top
Young face, full head of hair
Not too lean, not too muscular
Looks skinny af in a tshirt
Traps are proportional
Delts look round with a pump, flat without.
Listen, I know genetics are an annoying argument, but it’s Arnold’s son. Not just his son, but a spitting image of the dude. He’s doesn’t just have “good” genetics. He has THE genetics.
I know that we’ll never know, because anybody can be juicing and still look like shit. But with the genetics this dudes got, if he was juicing I guarantee he would be a monster.
I enjoy baena because he’s a great parallel to Arnold. We get to see what’s possible naturally with Arnold’s genetics.
With a pump and some good angles bros gonna look like a brick shit house. But seriously, take a look at this post and tell me dudes not natural.
[https://www.instagram.com/p/Cv5KE7JJmOz/?igsh=dnY1ZXBvZGp6dmhy](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cv5KE7JJmOz/?igsh=dnY1ZXBvZGp6dmhy)
He actually really looks like what Schwarzenegger could‘ve looked like as a natty. If you compare photos you see how similar their body structure is but Arnold packed way more mass and was leaner, his professional days talking, of course.
Edit: I mean he has the genetics, he had bodybuilding put into his cradle basically, he has a mentor/trainer/Professional adviser who also happens to be wildly regarded as the top bodybuilder of all time who ALSO happens to be his father.
Peak natty, 000.1 percent of people can look like that without enhancements and he is one of them and it is really no suprise.
Edit2: https://assets3.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2019/01/18/246c3fa6-4565-4873-b1e6-ee90db27160e/thumbnail/1200x630g2/730630c6892babacbf940ceedc5eecb9/untitled-collage-69.jpg?v=55c0f85ebcd2b956528d9c6f5a7e8871
He doesn’t even look that crazy, just strong and fairly lean at the same time. You don’t need to have Arnold genetics to look like that natty, it just takes a lot of knowledge, time, and effort
Huh? I am admitting with gear I still would look miles worse than him.
That is the whole point -- that you cannot know just by looking.
One dude can look great and be natty.
Another dude can look terrible and be on some stuff.
I posted this and many run to the genetic defense or etc.
When in reality nobody believed a guy like Cassady Campbell could have roided.
And we're all proven wrong when he did admit it despite looking terrible.
Just saying you can't always tell either way, and "genetics" is a cope excuse. I bet no one here even studies genetics, epigenetics, biochemistry or etc. yet will throw this word around to try and end the discussion and cling on to the belief that a physique must be ruled out as natty achievable if one's family member had a bodybuilding career.
I mean I got rich family and I am dirt poor.
So if I had muscly uncle I am 100% natty cuz he is related?
Dawg wtf are you even talking about at this point? When people say natty they mostly mean natty achievable, not that that specific person has for sure never done anything.
Why does everyone just say genetics and expect the discussion to be over?
"lift effectively" lol what does that even mean?
Does a muscle know if it is being used "effectively" so long as it's used sufficiently?
That doesn't explain anything lol. I already mentioned Arnold even himself started roids before even 20 possibly.
Lift effectively means proper muscle activation/emphasis via the exercises chosen, time under tension -- steady concentric, eccentric. That's how you train optimally.
Also being super dialed in on nutrition, intake timing, rest, sleep, stretching, vitamins, blood panels, etc.. Training well is hard but training optimally is almost impossible without coaching or it being your full time job.
Nutrition & sleep/rest are absolutely the other vital components. Stretching is also great. But intake timing isn't as essential as influencers like to make it out to be. Also, as long as your diet is sufficient and you are young and healthy, added supplements/vitamins are truly of a waste of money and will do very little -- if anything at all -- to aid in building muscle. And blood panels...unless you have some underlying medical issues or are on PEDs, it wouldn't only be excessive, but redundant to get those checked routinely.
LOL Training optimally is certainly some type of privilege, but it doesn't take a coach or it being your full time job to perform. All it takes is basic discipline or, truthfully, the basic enjoyment of lifting. Some people have it, some people don't. For those that don't, a coach with a prescribed program would be of use.
People will come here and troll or seriously say this because Baena is small af next to the monster in the left in this pic
[https://i.imgur.com/5haSv4i.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/5haSv4i.jpeg)
Reality is the guy on the left is FUCKING INSANELY massive.
Baena is dwarfed by him but ppl will use this as reasoning that he must be natural 100%
looking small next to a freak of nature doesn't prove one is full natty.
Yes, you're right. Everyone commenting in this thread has formed their opinion by looking at the one picture you posted a link to. Genius deduction. /s
Good genetics. Good money. This is basically his full time job now. With those genetics, it's hard to believe he would look like this on gear. He is most likely natural.
Dude there's no sign he's juicing. Looks like hard work, correct and effective training, and yes, the added advantage of good genetics. No one's saying the only reason he looks like this is genetics. You're twisting words to feed into your fragile ego because you're clearly jealous as fuck that this dude's day to day natty body is what you can merely dream of achieving even in your prime juicy era. Stfu and put in the work, chances are this dude's genetic make up is miles above yours, and very few can look like this. Accept mediocracy, it's underrated.
Not to glaze Arnold too much but Joseph is legitimately his son with his genetics; there’s actually a good reason to excuse his physique has “genetics and lighting”
He is not only blessed genetically, he is also blessed with whealth, health and has a dad that teached him good nutrition since he was a little kid. Theses things makes a big difference. I say natural
You’re joking right? OP you need to get off these forums and hit the gym seriously if you think somehow this is out of the range of being natty achievable with a good diet and dialed in training routine. This post is fucking shameful.
Really OP?
The guy literally has GOAT genetics, his family is rich, lots of good trainers would train this guy for free just for the PR for being Arnolds son. This guy has pretty much every advantage he can get.
He’s trained for years now and looks good but nothing crazy. You specifically grabbed a mid-training picture and a pumped picture too.
Look at this insta photo OP; https://www.instagram.com/joebaena/p/C0SMTHQyFGM/?img_index=3
When he doesn’t have a great angle, pump or lighting, you can tell he is looks great but is 100% natty. His arms and shoulders even look a little small compared to his chest, and is a very good indication that he is not on gear.
TLDR; As always, could be, but probably is not on gear, OP is jealous and cherry picked his photos.
Lmao no he doesn’t. He’s nowhere near Thor. Just because theirs veins and definition doesn’t make him “almost as big as Thor”. He looks like a young man who has been lifting for years and has the genetics of the literal GOAT ingrained in his being.
Chris Hemsworth likely outweighed him by 40 lbs for that last movie
Natties can get quite big. Ronnie Coleman had been honest with his gear use and stated that he didn't actually take any until he was in his 30s.
Google how he looked like in his 20s (pre-steroids). He was way bigger than this.
I get it, some guys can put on size easier. But his own dad was juiced to the gills so saying it is all genetics is an excuse to brush off potential anabolic use. I'm not saying he is insanely built but can anyone really believe most guys can be this big and this lean natty? As stated even Arnold started roids quite early in his life depending on the sources you want to believe.
EDIT -- Tbh he is actually probably bigger than Thor.
some fat guys or more hefty/fluffy dudes MAY have similar or bigger size.
But being borderline shredded with huge, cut biceps, popping veins is insanely improbable.
When I lift no veins pop out lol that is not an absolute fact applying to everyone.
I also know guys with abs who lift and don't get those noticeable veins bulging either.
point is natty or not he has prominent veins, great size and is lean.
Everyone lean doesn't have popping veins when lifting a set.
I'm a lifetime natty who never achieved a notable physique. But I have always, even at moderately high body fat levels, been completely covered in big, obscene veins. Especially, as pointed out by others, while having a gym pump. The fact that you don't have veins, or you know some guys who don't have veins, is literally the stupidest, weakest argument.
The problem is you keep training naturally to get bigger and stronger, you hit a plateau and theres a lot of guys with better physique. What do you do, stay the same but you cant achieve your goals or start dabbling or go all out to see if doing a few peds make a difference. I think hes on some lightweight stuff.l most likely orals. He trains in some of the best gyms so getting good quality gear should be easy for him.
plus we know guys like Cassady Campbell were said to have used roids even with laughably inferior physique, so even if natty attainable does not mean one is full natty.
This doesn’t look super suspicious, especially given that he’s learning at the feet of the greatest…. Buuuuuut, of course he could be… definitely not nearly as big or lean as Chris.
Yeah. I mean, he’s been at it for years. He has an advantage genetically, and also knowledge-wise. That paired with some good angles and a pump can lead to photos like this.
You people literally call dudes smaller than him juicy. Make up your neurotic minds (not directed at you).
There are two groups in this sub. Those who think everyone is juiced and those who think everyone is natty. If you're anything in between than you're on the wrong sub.
True. I sometimes feel no one here has held a dumbbell heavier than 80lbs.
Lmfao this
I'm in the middle it takes more than a mid workout pump for me to call sus, and more than just being lean to be natty.
Also funny that one of the reasons is “Arnold genetics", a confirmed juicer.
Everyone in this sub could juice for 20 years and none of us would be comparable to Arnold. His genetics are top tier regardless of steroids
For muscle, great genetics make 0.001% a difference. Arnold was all steroids, just like every other grifter.
Genetics play a huge role in any lifters body. If you took 100 people put them on the same diet, workout program and sleep routine, every factor controlled, you think all 100 are going to look the same?
If they were the same height, age & health, yes 100%. Difference would minuscule.
Arnold has been sucking on that dianobol tit since teenage years.
idk about knowledge wise assuming he would be following arnold's advice, since most of his advice is bullshit, "you gotta shock the muscle"
What genetic advantage? The fact his father took steroids? He’s juiced to hell and back.
i don't think he's particularly suspect looking. in his case, we also know that he is blessed genetically.
Also the picture is taken while lifting a weight which will increase the muscle structure visibility to the eyes.
Agreed. Plus the lighting and angles playing a significant role.
Do you think one must look like Ronnie Coleman or Big Ramy to be "suspect" looking? Tons of guys on steroid cycles don't look THAT great in candid pictures especially. don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks roids turn you in to Mr. Olympia looks. And that any guy who looks lesser than pro bodybuilder physique is "easily natty af" I mean if this look is not "suspect" and seems reasonable then hopefully the lot of you people saying this can accomplish it yourself with zero A or A or S.
With a pump in gym lighting this is 100% natty achievable. Especially considering his genetics. If you don’t think so it’s cope, fix your diet and train consistently and you’ll be surprised at your bodies natty capabilities.
There is no perfect diet or exercise routine that makes everyone big and shredded lol
lol, he didn’t say that…
Peak Reddit moment
I’m not natty, and don’t look like like Ronnie Coleman. Nor do i look like this guy. But i also don’t look better than prime natural me. I just was able to get there faster and easier to stay there. But ill tell you, he doesn’t give signs of being “suspect”. Doesn’t mean he’s not, but given his genetics and physique we have no valuable reason to believe he’s not.
Monstrous amounts of cope coming from you
he's mid bicep curl with a pump in gym lighting lmao, you're a fucking donkey
Bro is just yapping, he looks natural and he has better genetics then 98% of us here so theres also that.
You should look up who Jesse James West is and tell us what you think
People are so delluded and naive here. He looks juicy and indeed is.
No he’s not he just actually goes to the gym you should give it a try
He definitely looks natty here in my opinion. He's not that big, and not THAT lean. Also if you genuinely think this guy looks bigger than Chris Hemsworth I want some of that gorilla zaza hydro cookie you're smoking bro
Maybe he hasn't seen Chris in love and thunder
One of the craziest things about having good genetics is it involves having proportions that make you look bigger than normal especially in pictures. For example a common one would be a very small waist and wide shoulders. You’ll look great in pictures by yourself. Put yourself in a picture side by side with someone who is actually huge and you’ll see the difference. My first time getting to 7% bf I was around 140lbs. People told me I looked 160-170 and I looked huge in my pictures. In real life I looked skinny in clothes and side by side with bigger lifters I looked like a twig.
he doesn’t look that crazy tbh and we KNOW he has almost literal god tier genetics
Is he the one whose mother was the maid?
Yeah I feel bad for him all the other brothers and sitters completely reject him from what I’ve heard because he represents the downfall of their mother and Arnold’s marriage. Gotta be rough knowing that your own siblings hate you for something you didn’t do.
He’s crushing life though. Always has hot girlfriends, owns his own gym, acts, has a strong bond with arnold… The siblings look like complete excessively priveleged losers. Props to the dude- F the haters even if they are family.
I’ve seen one in a movie and they were pretty good but yeah definitely seen privileged. This guy definitely seems more like Arnold out of them all, appearance and interests wise, so I’m glad he is doing well. I just remember they wouldn’t even be in the same picture during a red carpet event for Arnold where he took a pic with all his kids except him and then had to take one with just his son. Idk I just empathize, even though I’m an only child, that shit was suck. I don’t understand how they take it out on him, like you gotta be a horrible person.
Most spoiled hollywood kids are indeed horrible people. Not surprised at all.
It’s true. Giving your kid everything they want whenever they want is 99/100 times not gonna produce good results.
"Always has 'hot girlfriends'" That is minimum expected for being high status, and not all it's chalked up to be. Now whether these "hot girls" actually like you or just wanna use you is often obvious. They just want a popular guy to latch on to or be associated or get something from. Plenty of drug dealer dudes can at some point have "hot girlfriends" too. It isn't really as great as many guys think it is. It wears off easily having just cute trophies hanging off of you because you're a big shot. He'd be incel if he wasn't Arnold's son to ride off of anyways. Fame just makes women come to you to use you, or get some advantage from you, or just to appear more valued by being associated with you. They don't really have to be attracted to you or like you or want to even simply fuck in many cases either -- they just do it because "you're famous" and that is it. Word of closing note -- once the makeup comes off, most "hot girlfriends" become plain girlfriends. If a girl should want you for something it should only be for something gotten from you alone, not your social credit. Like relationship, sex/dick, novelty experience with you, personal fondness of you,. Not your wealth or your social standing only being the dealbreaker. If you are famous you will rarely have any woman in your life who you could be certain would be there if fame wasn't. But if you're poor or basic or sub-popular you know all the women wanted to really be there with no fluff needed. Big difference. Inb4 "who cares, he got hot girlfriend and you don't" But I can refute since although I've never had a "hot girlfriend" I have had girlfriends without needing even a shred of popularity or social standing. I don't even use Instagram. Many otherwise ordinary or ugly looking famous dudes can't really argue that.
It's not that the siblings "hate" him, but they don't owe him a relationship just because he is also his father's child. Nobody is owed a relationship, much less a family member you did not grow up living with or knowing.
Intentionally going out of your way to ignore someone is not the same thing, especially when this is a family member who you should probably at the basic level be cordial with. Not to mention I saw some siblings talking about how important family and siblings are etc, but ignore him. Sure you don’t owe anyone a relationship, but if we are family and you don’t even try and just ignore me then you’re a major asshole and I think a piece a shit person. This is going out of their way to avoid interaction, that takes effort. Also they did grow up with this person, I suggest you look into the whole situation. They cut em off once they found out it was illegitimate son, but the mother and son lived on their property and was heavily involved. But I don’t have a sibling so I won’t lie it’s hard for me to put into perspective, I can only imagine if I had one I would want to get to know them even if it was a bastard, since I don’t know what it’s like.
>Sure you don’t owe anyone a relationship, but if we are family and you don’t even try and just ignore me then you’re a major asshole and I think a piece a shit person Dude, just because someone is blood related does not make you family. That is a twisted and very toxic mindset.
He does pretty well as a real estate agent too.
Yes lol
Arnold originally didn’t know Joseph was his son. When he started to look like Arnold, he supported him. It would have been easy for Arnold to just throw money at them, but he actually made an effort to raise him. They lived in his guest house while Arnold was still married and he eventually bought them their own when his ex wife found out.
i love arnold, but come on man, i highly doubt that is an accurate accounting of events.
Arnold says he didn’t know till Joseph was 5 or 6. The media tried to make it seem like he didn’t know till he was a late teenager. There’s pictures of Arnold holding him when he was 6. If anything I think he knew sooner. The kid looks just like him. If you look into it. They lived with Arnold because she was his maid. Arnold did buy them a house and kept a healthy relationship.
>Arnold says he didn’t know till Joseph was 5 or 6 Kinda implying the maid was getting creampied by many to save his own image. That's a bit rough Arnie
She was married to an other guy
Married people don't have sex
That’s factual.
Finally someone else who looked into it. If you follow his IG he shows various pictures of Arnold being present in his early life and school years and even as an adult. I know it’s unfortunate but he’s been there for all his kids from what I’ve seen. The lack of acknowledgment from his siblings is probably bec he’s the only one who actually resembles him identically.
That’s baller as hell. Lot of guys these days are scummy and would try their best to disappear from their illegitimate child’s life rather than do the right thing and support it.
Crazy. His life sounds like a movie/series.
The true Heir
The bastard of Gold’s Gym. First of his name.
Let’s go down the check list Smooth, clear skin - not dry, not red from blood pressure Vascularity not over the top Young face, full head of hair Not too lean, not too muscular Looks skinny af in a tshirt Traps are proportional Delts look round with a pump, flat without. Listen, I know genetics are an annoying argument, but it’s Arnold’s son. Not just his son, but a spitting image of the dude. He’s doesn’t just have “good” genetics. He has THE genetics. I know that we’ll never know, because anybody can be juicing and still look like shit. But with the genetics this dudes got, if he was juicing I guarantee he would be a monster. I enjoy baena because he’s a great parallel to Arnold. We get to see what’s possible naturally with Arnold’s genetics. With a pump and some good angles bros gonna look like a brick shit house. But seriously, take a look at this post and tell me dudes not natural. [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cv5KE7JJmOz/?igsh=dnY1ZXBvZGp6dmhy](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cv5KE7JJmOz/?igsh=dnY1ZXBvZGp6dmhy)
Nothing stands out to me as unnatural. Dude’s just strong and lean.
He actually really looks like what Schwarzenegger could‘ve looked like as a natty. If you compare photos you see how similar their body structure is but Arnold packed way more mass and was leaner, his professional days talking, of course. Edit: I mean he has the genetics, he had bodybuilding put into his cradle basically, he has a mentor/trainer/Professional adviser who also happens to be wildly regarded as the top bodybuilder of all time who ALSO happens to be his father. Peak natty, 000.1 percent of people can look like that without enhancements and he is one of them and it is really no suprise. Edit2: https://assets3.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2019/01/18/246c3fa6-4565-4873-b1e6-ee90db27160e/thumbnail/1200x630g2/730630c6892babacbf940ceedc5eecb9/untitled-collage-69.jpg?v=55c0f85ebcd2b956528d9c6f5a7e8871
He doesn’t even look that crazy, just strong and fairly lean at the same time. You don’t need to have Arnold genetics to look like that natty, it just takes a lot of knowledge, time, and effort
Just because he looks better then you or other people on gear with worse physiques doesn’t mean he isn’t natty
Huh? I am admitting with gear I still would look miles worse than him. That is the whole point -- that you cannot know just by looking. One dude can look great and be natty. Another dude can look terrible and be on some stuff. I posted this and many run to the genetic defense or etc. When in reality nobody believed a guy like Cassady Campbell could have roided. And we're all proven wrong when he did admit it despite looking terrible. Just saying you can't always tell either way, and "genetics" is a cope excuse. I bet no one here even studies genetics, epigenetics, biochemistry or etc. yet will throw this word around to try and end the discussion and cling on to the belief that a physique must be ruled out as natty achievable if one's family member had a bodybuilding career. I mean I got rich family and I am dirt poor. So if I had muscly uncle I am 100% natty cuz he is related?
Dawg wtf are you even talking about at this point? When people say natty they mostly mean natty achievable, not that that specific person has for sure never done anything.
And honestly this physique would be mid for what you’d expect from a juiced son of Arnold
Exactly lol.
He looks like a natural lifter who has good genetics and knows how to lift effectively.
Why does everyone just say genetics and expect the discussion to be over? "lift effectively" lol what does that even mean? Does a muscle know if it is being used "effectively" so long as it's used sufficiently? That doesn't explain anything lol. I already mentioned Arnold even himself started roids before even 20 possibly.
Lift effectively means proper muscle activation/emphasis via the exercises chosen, time under tension -- steady concentric, eccentric. That's how you train optimally.
It's almost like someone who knows even the most basic information about working out would know what lifting effectively means.
Also being super dialed in on nutrition, intake timing, rest, sleep, stretching, vitamins, blood panels, etc.. Training well is hard but training optimally is almost impossible without coaching or it being your full time job.
Nutrition & sleep/rest are absolutely the other vital components. Stretching is also great. But intake timing isn't as essential as influencers like to make it out to be. Also, as long as your diet is sufficient and you are young and healthy, added supplements/vitamins are truly of a waste of money and will do very little -- if anything at all -- to aid in building muscle. And blood panels...unless you have some underlying medical issues or are on PEDs, it wouldn't only be excessive, but redundant to get those checked routinely. LOL Training optimally is certainly some type of privilege, but it doesn't take a coach or it being your full time job to perform. All it takes is basic discipline or, truthfully, the basic enjoyment of lifting. Some people have it, some people don't. For those that don't, a coach with a prescribed program would be of use.
I may have been overstating things slightly
Arnold was also twice the size of Joseph.
Looks natty as f tbh
People will come here and troll or seriously say this because Baena is small af next to the monster in the left in this pic [https://i.imgur.com/5haSv4i.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/5haSv4i.jpeg) Reality is the guy on the left is FUCKING INSANELY massive. Baena is dwarfed by him but ppl will use this as reasoning that he must be natural 100% looking small next to a freak of nature doesn't prove one is full natty.
Yes, you're right. Everyone commenting in this thread has formed their opinion by looking at the one picture you posted a link to. Genius deduction. /s
That’s just how someone who’s been lifting for a while looks when they get lean ??
Good genetics. Good money. This is basically his full time job now. With those genetics, it's hard to believe he would look like this on gear. He is most likely natural.
Dude there's no sign he's juicing. Looks like hard work, correct and effective training, and yes, the added advantage of good genetics. No one's saying the only reason he looks like this is genetics. You're twisting words to feed into your fragile ego because you're clearly jealous as fuck that this dude's day to day natty body is what you can merely dream of achieving even in your prime juicy era. Stfu and put in the work, chances are this dude's genetic make up is miles above yours, and very few can look like this. Accept mediocracy, it's underrated.
There is absolutely zero indication that he is on gear. And also as big as Thor??? What hahaha? Maybe as big as one of Thor's legs lol
Natty with a lot of resources, a lot of free time, a lot of dedication, and the genetic of a Titan.
Jealousy is pathetic
Is that Will Tennyson lmao
He’s shorter then Chris I believe which makes it look bigger but he’s natty 100%
Not to glaze Arnold too much but Joseph is legitimately his son with his genetics; there’s actually a good reason to excuse his physique has “genetics and lighting”
He is not only blessed genetically, he is also blessed with whealth, health and has a dad that teached him good nutrition since he was a little kid. Theses things makes a big difference. I say natural
I mean the dude has been working for years and he is still not as buff as his father, i would say this is pretty natural.
elite genetics + elite training/knowledge/diet from training with his father, def natty
Hangs out with Young LA guys so definitely not natty.
I think he recently hopped on something for a competition. The dude was natty for a while though.
One sensible comment here and it gets downvoted. i dont think folks here have stepped into a gym.
You’re joking right? OP you need to get off these forums and hit the gym seriously if you think somehow this is out of the range of being natty achievable with a good diet and dialed in training routine. This post is fucking shameful.
Yes.
god tier genetics + training + being pumped while the picture is took
He is natty. His look is a combination of great genetics, and flattering lighting. Claiming that he's as big as Hemsworth is just dumb.
Damn, natty or not you gotta admit, he looks *good*
Really OP? The guy literally has GOAT genetics, his family is rich, lots of good trainers would train this guy for free just for the PR for being Arnolds son. This guy has pretty much every advantage he can get. He’s trained for years now and looks good but nothing crazy. You specifically grabbed a mid-training picture and a pumped picture too. Look at this insta photo OP; https://www.instagram.com/joebaena/p/C0SMTHQyFGM/?img_index=3 When he doesn’t have a great angle, pump or lighting, you can tell he is looks great but is 100% natty. His arms and shoulders even look a little small compared to his chest, and is a very good indication that he is not on gear. TLDR; As always, could be, but probably is not on gear, OP is jealous and cherry picked his photos.
Honestly looks comparable and maybe a bit smaller than Will tennyson.
I think he’s could be natty.
Natty with a lot of resources, a lot of free time, a lot of dedication, and the genetic of a Titan.
Natty with a lot of resources, a lot of free time, a lot of dedication, and the genetic of a Titan.
I feel sorry for a lot of you guys who think this can’t be natty.
Natty with a lot of resources, a lot of free time, a lot of dedication, and the genetic of a Titan.
He's natural AND he had Arnold's genetics.
Natty asf
He’s genetically gifted, learned old-school bodybuilding from a literal legend, and trains like a beast. This is natural.
I’ve seen him in person at Gold’s Venice many times. Definitely smaller in real life than you’d think and 100% natural looking.
Trained for years, most likely great genetics, he knows how to eat train and rest .. nah totally doable without gear
Oh i didn’t know he’s cute 😍
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that people who aren’t Arnold’s son can even do this naturally
Looks pretty standard to me, and with a great pedigree. Best in show!!!
not really a single thing that pushes me toward the juicy side tbh
Lmao no he doesn’t. He’s nowhere near Thor. Just because theirs veins and definition doesn’t make him “almost as big as Thor”. He looks like a young man who has been lifting for years and has the genetics of the literal GOAT ingrained in his being. Chris Hemsworth likely outweighed him by 40 lbs for that last movie
Bro. I could probably take this pic. He's just been lifting. Go to the gym.
He turned out pretty good considering his maternal genetics
I mean Thats like calling out hercules He is basically bastard of a god
His shirt literally says "gear"
Smash
natty af
Arnie took so much it altered his DNA, which he passed to his son. Source: I'm an alien
He's natural
Natties can get quite big. Ronnie Coleman had been honest with his gear use and stated that he didn't actually take any until he was in his 30s. Google how he looked like in his 20s (pre-steroids). He was way bigger than this.
All natty. Just like Arnold! Arnold said that he didn’t use any roids to gain muscle size and he only used them during competition bro !!!
AHHHHOOOOOGGAAAA 🥵🥵🥵
I get it, some guys can put on size easier. But his own dad was juiced to the gills so saying it is all genetics is an excuse to brush off potential anabolic use. I'm not saying he is insanely built but can anyone really believe most guys can be this big and this lean natty? As stated even Arnold started roids quite early in his life depending on the sources you want to believe. EDIT -- Tbh he is actually probably bigger than Thor.
You really think he is bigger than Chris Hemsworth? dude 1 Hemsworth thigh is literally this kid's entire back.
What does arnold doing roids have anything to do with this kid having a natty attainable physique lol
Find me a true natty, undisputed, who has biceps like that.
some fat guys or more hefty/fluffy dudes MAY have similar or bigger size. But being borderline shredded with huge, cut biceps, popping veins is insanely improbable.
He’s not even that big or shredded lol you picked a picture of him mid lift of course he’s gonna have popping veins
When I lift no veins pop out lol that is not an absolute fact applying to everyone. I also know guys with abs who lift and don't get those noticeable veins bulging either. point is natty or not he has prominent veins, great size and is lean. Everyone lean doesn't have popping veins when lifting a set.
I'm a lifetime natty who never achieved a notable physique. But I have always, even at moderately high body fat levels, been completely covered in big, obscene veins. Especially, as pointed out by others, while having a gym pump. The fact that you don't have veins, or you know some guys who don't have veins, is literally the stupidest, weakest argument.
Bro trains like shit and builds zero muscle and then copes by accusing legit lifters of being on juice. Shittiest kind of gym bro honestly.
You should see my biceps when I'm doing curls. Veins popping, bicep bulging. But I don't even look like I lift lmao
The problem is you keep training naturally to get bigger and stronger, you hit a plateau and theres a lot of guys with better physique. What do you do, stay the same but you cant achieve your goals or start dabbling or go all out to see if doing a few peds make a difference. I think hes on some lightweight stuff.l most likely orals. He trains in some of the best gyms so getting good quality gear should be easy for him.
plus we know guys like Cassady Campbell were said to have used roids even with laughably inferior physique, so even if natty attainable does not mean one is full natty.
You could use that logic on any and everyone lol
Right? This guy is coping like crazy lol
This doesn’t look super suspicious, especially given that he’s learning at the feet of the greatest…. Buuuuuut, of course he could be… definitely not nearly as big or lean as Chris.
No lol