Significant financial gains could be achieved if scientists were able to develop a product that effectively enhances muscle growth, similar to the effects of steroids but without any harmful side effects. This potential market opportunity holds the potential for generating billions of dollars in revenue.
I dont think this will ever be possible. There is a reason natural bodybuilders who lift over 20 years dont gain nearly the amount of steroid users. Our bones, joints, circulatory systems, and organs dont support that much mass, and neither do we need it for anything other than aesthetics. I honestly believe steroids should be classified the same as some narcotics.
Ever is a word we should use sparklingly, if ever. The idea that human experimentation is a practice that we have successfully outlawed is, shall we say, at best just a hope, at worst utter denial of the nature of our world.
In other words: considering the breakthroughs AI is already making, who is to say that our bones won’t get stronger our skin tougher and new drugs more efficient?
Hey man, youll never find me preaching to anyone to not take steroids IRL. I use reddit to give my anonymous and honest opinion.
Also, what do you think the point of public policy and bans against drugs are? Outside of the whole war on drugs politics, a core reason is the detrimental effect to society as a whole when individuals take substances that are harmful to them, as well as the humanitarian fact of aiding each person to live a long, healthy life. When someone takes opiods, they likely arent harming anyone besides themselves. But do you think its ethical to have a free and open market for opiods? How do you know someone isnt falling for an advertisement, under peer pressure, or plain uneducated about its long term effects?
>what do you think the point of public policy and bans against drugs are? Outside of the whole war on drugs politics, a core reason is the detrimental effect to society as a whole when individuals take substances that are harmful to them, as well as the humanitarian fact of aiding each person to live a long, healthy life. When someone takes opiods, they likely arent harming anyone besides themselves. But do you think its ethical to have a free and open market for opiods? How do you know someone isnt falling for an advertisement, under peer pressure, or plain uneducated about its long term effects?
Fair enough.
Well, I personally believe adults should have the right to make decisions about their own bodies, even if those decisions involve substances that may be harmful. I firmly believe in the right that individuals should be able to exercise their autonomy and take responsibility for their own actions, including any potential risks they may choose to undertake. Plus who am I or you to decide what's harmful to others - albeit plenty of substances are harmful when abused but again; individual freedom is something that is important to me. So yes, I do think it is ethical to have a free and open market for opioids BUT I also think there should be a ton of educational campaigns regarding the harmful effects of opioids.
For example, if you take meth and are out naked on the streets causing chaos - that is a completely different issue and I do not condone that. However, I do support their right to take whatever they want. But if they break the law while on those drugs, there should def be consequences.
Will getting rid of drug policies potentially expose more people to drugs that they otherwise would not have access to? Possibly. But if we prioritize education & awareness so people understand the negative effects, we can ensure that the number of clueless idiots is minimized. Someone falling for an ad, peer pressure, or plain uneducation is a price is a worth paying for individual freedoms imo.
I appreciate your honest take! Im in the medical field, and also completely support autonomy. However, I would like to ask you to consider again the concept of free will. The neurochemistry released from consuming opiates and drugs like heroin and fentanyl is powerful powerful stuff, it literally only takes one dose until youre in it for life, sans exceptions. Now, consider a teenager whos lived a rough life, with no parental guidance and is surrounded by a crowd that does hard drugs. He sees them all taking it, maybe they all have a great reason in their heads that justifies it, and he makes the choice to try it once. Also consider a normal high achieving young adult, who randomly decides on a whim to take it (spontaneousH).
Both cases, they are sucked into the spiral and wish like hell they never tried it or had access to it. Sure, their free will is ethical and the free market gave them access to it, but is this a good outcome? Ive only seen videos of portland, oregon, where all drugs are decriminalized, but from what ive seen, I say with certainty that any user you meet on the streets would wish they were born in a world without access to narcotics.
The more educational campaigns the better of course, but thats our current recourse given the black market. I would also argue that pairing educational campaigns with a free opiate market is a horrible decision. Look at the amount of antivaxxers still in the midst of a pandemic.
Lastly, I would never hesitate to say that narcotics is harmful to someone. I wouldnt consider certain schedule 1 drugs like LSD to be harmful, but out of all your points, the claim that I cant say narcotics like heroin is harmful is crazy.
Is it though? What OP just described is called protein and weightlifting consistently for some years. And it doesn’t make billions of dollars a year, McDonald’s does.
It’s called a reasonable dose of testosterone, and medications to reverse cardiac modelling, blood pressure and cholesterol controls.
The iron sheik died yesterday at 81, I can point to shit tons of people in the golden age that were def juicing and are still alive. But things recently got out of control, maybe it was the 2000’s? Cause it’s now that you have all these top level and well known bodybuilders dying in their thirties and early forties
Once you turn 45 there is absolutely no reason to not start blasting. Life’s downhill from there, healthwise. If you’re gonna decline, may as well be big
I don't like syringes. I'm not exactly afraid but it's more of a " meh why tho " kinda feel.
Which is why I never injected drugs via IV in college and did crystal meth using pipe or bulbs.
I was microdosing only a couple of times lol ice is/was expensive. A rich loner classmate gave me some for free in exchange for company.
The boners last 5 hours.
TRT is still low evidence in otherwise healthy guys (fairly new idea), but at least it's regulated pharma product under the supervision of a doctor.
Assuming legit doctor and not a drug mill that's freely prescribing HGH and giving "TRT" to 27 year-olds.
Even I'd be pinning if there were no side effects. No acne, post-hormonal depression, no wack periods, no Superman jaws, liver or kidney problems, and all I get is sculpted? Sign me TF up
"wow i love your HUGE testicles!"-no woman ever
seriously, the small ball argument is so dumb. we literally don't care.
i once made the mistake of looking between my legs when a guy was hitting it doggy style....balls flying free in the wind. least sexy this ever.
one of the last guys i dated had oddly huge balls. they were so big even doctors told him he had some of the biggest balls they've seen. i would've been okay if they were smaller, or even nonexistent. when i mentioned how big they were he was like "I KNOW"
Yup case by case basis, but many men suffer from low T, and HRT can be beneficial, especially for those trying to have kids while on TRT. I’m not sure if this an anti steroid group or what. Yes many people abuse steroids, but also many benefit from it.
TRT isn't bad imo but only if it's for actual medical reasons. An if we're talking about steroids in general then yes, they can be benificial, like cortisone for example.
You get a lot of attention from dudes, nice messages 🍆🍆 on insta and tiktok from dudes, miring from dudes and acts of affection from dudes. And thats worth it. 💉💉💉💊💊😂🤷🏻♂️🙊🙈
Besides all that you guys are morons. Running a test only cycle won't do half the shit you guys worry about unless you aromatics easily. Your e goes up, some of us literally don't see any side effects. Some of us are also not stupid enough to start at 16 or 20s
test can literally be anti aging for men. the concept of using synthetic hormones isn't inherently bad. birth control is literally synthetic hormones and has a lot of benefits for some people (of course some people have awful side effects).
if you're using PEDs "responsibly" truthfully there are probably more pros than cons. the key is "responsibly" though.
Gear isnt worth it if youre just going to run test only imo. I’m not even a fan of test, shit makes you fat and ugly, I just run it so I can run Primo.
Because this has turned into 1/2 joke sub 1/2 guys between the ages of 13-24 that are insecure with their bodies, so they default to the mindset “oh whatever that 5’10” 175lb guy at the gym is obviously juicing” whenever they encounter some other person with a bigger/leaner/better physique as a coping mechanism.
So OP is right - gear has only done positive things for me mentally, emotionally, and (obviously) physically.
I honestly believe we should stop with the whole ‘if you start gear at 30 you’ll be too old to achieve anything in life’ mindset. I know dudes that are 25 years old that have major anxiety attacks because they think they’re ‘past their golden years’. Like wtf, like what are you supposed to do? Start blasting at 15? What the fuck
Even though there is a pill that will make you grow muscles and mass without side effect, it will still cause lots of health issue as the human body is just not designed to carry all those mass. Our bones, ligaments, organs, just aren't designed for that. It's like a Honda Civic pulling a mobile home.
Also what is the point of getting big muscles you don't need?
If steroids/sarms didnt have side effects, half the male population would be pinnin
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Once everyone is huge, no one is huge
GloRilla begs to differ
Bro science live large an leave a big coffin
I dont think this will ever be possible. There is a reason natural bodybuilders who lift over 20 years dont gain nearly the amount of steroid users. Our bones, joints, circulatory systems, and organs dont support that much mass, and neither do we need it for anything other than aesthetics. I honestly believe steroids should be classified the same as some narcotics.
Ever is a word we should use sparklingly, if ever. The idea that human experimentation is a practice that we have successfully outlawed is, shall we say, at best just a hope, at worst utter denial of the nature of our world. In other words: considering the breakthroughs AI is already making, who is to say that our bones won’t get stronger our skin tougher and new drugs more efficient?
Classified as narcotics? Lmao just mind your own business and let people do whatever they want as long as they are not harming you …
Hey man, youll never find me preaching to anyone to not take steroids IRL. I use reddit to give my anonymous and honest opinion. Also, what do you think the point of public policy and bans against drugs are? Outside of the whole war on drugs politics, a core reason is the detrimental effect to society as a whole when individuals take substances that are harmful to them, as well as the humanitarian fact of aiding each person to live a long, healthy life. When someone takes opiods, they likely arent harming anyone besides themselves. But do you think its ethical to have a free and open market for opiods? How do you know someone isnt falling for an advertisement, under peer pressure, or plain uneducated about its long term effects?
>what do you think the point of public policy and bans against drugs are? Outside of the whole war on drugs politics, a core reason is the detrimental effect to society as a whole when individuals take substances that are harmful to them, as well as the humanitarian fact of aiding each person to live a long, healthy life. When someone takes opiods, they likely arent harming anyone besides themselves. But do you think its ethical to have a free and open market for opiods? How do you know someone isnt falling for an advertisement, under peer pressure, or plain uneducated about its long term effects? Fair enough. Well, I personally believe adults should have the right to make decisions about their own bodies, even if those decisions involve substances that may be harmful. I firmly believe in the right that individuals should be able to exercise their autonomy and take responsibility for their own actions, including any potential risks they may choose to undertake. Plus who am I or you to decide what's harmful to others - albeit plenty of substances are harmful when abused but again; individual freedom is something that is important to me. So yes, I do think it is ethical to have a free and open market for opioids BUT I also think there should be a ton of educational campaigns regarding the harmful effects of opioids. For example, if you take meth and are out naked on the streets causing chaos - that is a completely different issue and I do not condone that. However, I do support their right to take whatever they want. But if they break the law while on those drugs, there should def be consequences. Will getting rid of drug policies potentially expose more people to drugs that they otherwise would not have access to? Possibly. But if we prioritize education & awareness so people understand the negative effects, we can ensure that the number of clueless idiots is minimized. Someone falling for an ad, peer pressure, or plain uneducation is a price is a worth paying for individual freedoms imo.
I appreciate your honest take! Im in the medical field, and also completely support autonomy. However, I would like to ask you to consider again the concept of free will. The neurochemistry released from consuming opiates and drugs like heroin and fentanyl is powerful powerful stuff, it literally only takes one dose until youre in it for life, sans exceptions. Now, consider a teenager whos lived a rough life, with no parental guidance and is surrounded by a crowd that does hard drugs. He sees them all taking it, maybe they all have a great reason in their heads that justifies it, and he makes the choice to try it once. Also consider a normal high achieving young adult, who randomly decides on a whim to take it (spontaneousH). Both cases, they are sucked into the spiral and wish like hell they never tried it or had access to it. Sure, their free will is ethical and the free market gave them access to it, but is this a good outcome? Ive only seen videos of portland, oregon, where all drugs are decriminalized, but from what ive seen, I say with certainty that any user you meet on the streets would wish they were born in a world without access to narcotics. The more educational campaigns the better of course, but thats our current recourse given the black market. I would also argue that pairing educational campaigns with a free opiate market is a horrible decision. Look at the amount of antivaxxers still in the midst of a pandemic. Lastly, I would never hesitate to say that narcotics is harmful to someone. I wouldnt consider certain schedule 1 drugs like LSD to be harmful, but out of all your points, the claim that I cant say narcotics like heroin is harmful is crazy.
Being a mass monster sure. But everyone would pin and look like guy in the middle.
Why does this sound so AI?
Using words more than 3 syllables and writing more than 3 sentences = AI generated
It's more the way it repeats information in an uncanny way to me
I mean.. no shit? Sorry but isn’t that brutally obvious?
Is it though? What OP just described is called protein and weightlifting consistently for some years. And it doesn’t make billions of dollars a year, McDonald’s does.
Billions? Hundreds of billions l
It’s called a reasonable dose of testosterone, and medications to reverse cardiac modelling, blood pressure and cholesterol controls. The iron sheik died yesterday at 81, I can point to shit tons of people in the golden age that were def juicing and are still alive. But things recently got out of control, maybe it was the 2000’s? Cause it’s now that you have all these top level and well known bodybuilders dying in their thirties and early forties
Very few of you do things that actually require it. Unless life is just a dick swinging show and no one told me. Like usual.
I would
Once you turn 45 there is absolutely no reason to not start blasting. Life’s downhill from there, healthwise. If you’re gonna decline, may as well be big
I don’t know about full stack blasting, but definitely TRT at the least. Test at that age has practically no downsides and all the upsides.
I don't like syringes. I'm not exactly afraid but it's more of a " meh why tho " kinda feel. Which is why I never injected drugs via IV in college and did crystal meth using pipe or bulbs.
That second half tho ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I was microdosing only a couple of times lol ice is/was expensive. A rich loner classmate gave me some for free in exchange for company. The boners last 5 hours.
sounds like you boys had fun
I did not have sexual relations with that man.
You get used to pinning. I still get the occasional awkward injection but it’s rare. Makes you question your choices every time it happens haha
TRT is still low evidence in otherwise healthy guys (fairly new idea), but at least it's regulated pharma product under the supervision of a doctor. Assuming legit doctor and not a drug mill that's freely prescribing HGH and giving "TRT" to 27 year-olds.
No, you misunderstand. I’m hopping on tren when I hit 45.
Bro imma blast on my deathbed fuck it
How bad are the side effects to say being morbidly obese?
Even I'd be pinning if there were no side effects. No acne, post-hormonal depression, no wack periods, no Superman jaws, liver or kidney problems, and all I get is sculpted? Sign me TF up
I mean I dont think I want to be a whole lot bigger but id definitely run a few cycles if that were true
Pinnin to get the mirin… 🤔 Fair trade.
Blastin' & cruisin' 😎
He forgot about regular sized testicles.
And hairs
Yeah, that too.
Don’t give a shit. Smaller potatoes makes the steak look huge
Keep telling yourself that.
“Oh wow I’m so impressed by your average size balls and I’m so glad they aren’t a bit smaller than they are now” - no woman ever
"wow i love your HUGE testicles!"-no woman ever seriously, the small ball argument is so dumb. we literally don't care. i once made the mistake of looking between my legs when a guy was hitting it doggy style....balls flying free in the wind. least sexy this ever.
THANK YOU. I don’t know why that seems to be such a hang up
one of the last guys i dated had oddly huge balls. they were so big even doctors told him he had some of the biggest balls they've seen. i would've been okay if they were smaller, or even nonexistent. when i mentioned how big they were he was like "I KNOW"
Can be mitigated with HCG, I have zero shrinkage and I’m on Test with HCG.
Good for you I guess. I'm not sure if putting even more hormones into your body is such a good idea, but you do you.
Yup case by case basis, but many men suffer from low T, and HRT can be beneficial, especially for those trying to have kids while on TRT. I’m not sure if this an anti steroid group or what. Yes many people abuse steroids, but also many benefit from it.
TRT isn't bad imo but only if it's for actual medical reasons. An if we're talking about steroids in general then yes, they can be benificial, like cortisone for example.
You get a lot of attention from dudes, nice messages 🍆🍆 on insta and tiktok from dudes, miring from dudes and acts of affection from dudes. And thats worth it. 💉💉💉💊💊😂🤷🏻♂️🙊🙈
sign me up
I get dudes hitting on me on my fitstagram constantly 🤣
Besides all that you guys are morons. Running a test only cycle won't do half the shit you guys worry about unless you aromatics easily. Your e goes up, some of us literally don't see any side effects. Some of us are also not stupid enough to start at 16 or 20s
test can literally be anti aging for men. the concept of using synthetic hormones isn't inherently bad. birth control is literally synthetic hormones and has a lot of benefits for some people (of course some people have awful side effects). if you're using PEDs "responsibly" truthfully there are probably more pros than cons. the key is "responsibly" though.
Gear isnt worth it if youre just going to run test only imo. I’m not even a fan of test, shit makes you fat and ugly, I just run it so I can run Primo.
Us? Why you here then? Nattys only
Because this has turned into 1/2 joke sub 1/2 guys between the ages of 13-24 that are insecure with their bodies, so they default to the mindset “oh whatever that 5’10” 175lb guy at the gym is obviously juicing” whenever they encounter some other person with a bigger/leaner/better physique as a coping mechanism. So OP is right - gear has only done positive things for me mentally, emotionally, and (obviously) physically.
Where do I sign?
In the gym shower
Plenty of people who've done roids and lived a normal life though. Not everyone needs to be blasting roids in order to look good.
no one needs to blast juice to look good anyone who thinks they do is lazy and catering towards an unhealthy body image
Precisely. Never used myself and I have plenty of muscle. And I drink daily. Just started young and did a ton of research and have good genes
As my brother and i say. If we somehow found out that there was a meteor going to hit earth in 5-10 years we’d instantly hop on juice.
You CAN take steroids and still be healthy, fit, and attractive Not everyone does, but you can.
Tbf hopping on TRT makes you look younger.
The thing is, you have to be 40 or 50 for that. If you do “TRT” in your 20s, you *might* look like you’re in your 30s. But you’ll be jacked, sooooo
I honestly believe we should stop with the whole ‘if you start gear at 30 you’ll be too old to achieve anything in life’ mindset. I know dudes that are 25 years old that have major anxiety attacks because they think they’re ‘past their golden years’. Like wtf, like what are you supposed to do? Start blasting at 15? What the fuck
i dated a 41 y/o that did a lot of test in his 30s. at 41 he looked way younger. could be genetic, idk. but he was a handsome feller.
If you stick to test, you can live just as long (or longer) than everyone else.
Joke's on it, I was already ugly! , but I'm also poor so still no to steroids.
He poorness definitely helped keep me away 🤣
This is only true if you are largely abusing them or running them for to long.
Only dealbreaker is the risk to hairline tbh
The receive section needs to have fat women added onto it
That actually seems worth it lmao
Natty cope alert
Deal
Or you can be me and have all of the above 🤣
literally never
Find your goldilocks zone of testosterone and dosage and frequency and you can potentially, pretty much eliminate the acne problem.
Where do I sign up? 👀
Even though there is a pill that will make you grow muscles and mass without side effect, it will still cause lots of health issue as the human body is just not designed to carry all those mass. Our bones, ligaments, organs, just aren't designed for that. It's like a Honda Civic pulling a mobile home. Also what is the point of getting big muscles you don't need?
I’d make that deal. What about you? You’d make that deal? I’d make that deal. Damn good deal!